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A couple of weeks ago, Israel launched its sudden surprise attack against Iran and within hours successfully decapitated most of that country’s top military leadership. The resulting Israel-Iran war soon drew America into the conflict, with President Donald Trump ordering a massive bombing attack against Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities and the Iranians retaliating with missile strikes against an American base in the region. Although many of Trump’s top advisors were pressing for a full-fledged “regime change war” to overthrow the Iranian government, these tit-for-tat blows have temporarily ended the exchanges while Israel and Iran also agreed to a truce.
Before the fighting temporarily ebbed, these dramatic events naturally dominated most of the recent news headlines. Thus, they distracted attention away from an unrelated but extremely dangerous development at the very beginning of this month, an event with potentially greater geopolitical significance.
On June 1st, the world was astonished to hear that Russia’s strategic bomber fleet, one of the three legs of its vital nuclear deterrent triad, had suddenly been attacked by a huge wave of advanced explosive drones, which targeted five major airbases deep in the interior of that enormous country.
The Ukrainian government had spent more than three years locked in a bitter war with Russia, and it took full credit for what it called Operation Spiderweb, claiming that the remarkably bold attack had successfully destroyed one-third of Russia’s nuclear bombers, thus inflicting a severe strategic defeat upon its far larger and more powerful adversary.
The drones involved in the attack had been surreptitiously brought into Russia within shipping containers transported by unsuspecting Russian truckers, then automatically released close to the targeted airbases, a highly innovative military maneuver never previously employed. The Ukrainian government achieved a major propaganda victory by releasing video footage of the burning wrecks of Russia’s strategic bombers at the Belaya airfield deep in Siberia, located thousands of miles from Ukraine.
The actual damage inflicted seems to have been far less than was originally claimed. Although all five of the Russian airbases used by its nuclear bomber fleet were targeted for near-simultaneous drone attacks, apparently only some of those operations succeeded, and by most accounts perhaps only about 10-15% of the Russian strategic bombers were destroyed, with some additional ones suffering repairable damage.
But regardless of those particular details, this constituted the first time in history that the strategic arsenal of a nuclear superpower had been directly attacked, and the vulnerability demonstrated seemed extraordinarily destabilizing.
Hostile pundits initially ridiculed the Russians for parking their nuclear bombers in vulnerable open airfields, but they failed to realize that current nuclear arms treaties with the U.S. required exactly this unprotected visibility to satellites.
Moreover, under official Russian military doctrine, any such conventional strike against the country’s nuclear arsenal could fully justify a nuclear response. The attack was gleefully praised by many Western pundits and media outlets, a viewpoint that surely reflected their many political and national security sources. But the retaliatory consequences of this extraordinarily provocative operation might have been mushroom clouds over Kiev and other Ukrainian cities.
Fortunately, President Vladimir Putin’s government consists of extremely sober-minded and level-headed individuals, and they quickly deemphasized those attacks on their nuclear deterrent, instead choosing to focus upon other Ukrainian attacks against ordinary Russian civilian targets, which they angrily condemned as blatant terrorism. Foregoing any nuclear response, they have merely retaliated with larger waves of the same drone and missile strikes that they have been regularly launching against Ukrainian targets for the last several years.
However, the dramatic importance of this attack against Russia’s nuclear triad cannot be over-emphasized. Virtually all knowledgeable outside observes argued that these highly-sophisticated drone operations so deep within the Russian heartland could not possibly have been carried out without the direct support of Western intelligence and reconnaissance capabilities, almost certainly involving the participation of Western personnel.
Indeed, Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s longtime foreign minister, publicly declared that his country had 100% certainty that British forces had been directly involved in orchestrating these attacks, with Prof. John Mearsheimer and other top American experts declaring that Lavrov’s statements were almost surely correct.
Even absent those Russian claims of hard evidence, it seems extremely unlikely that the West was not directly involved in this attempt to cripple one leg of Russia’s nuclear triad. Ukraine is totally dependent upon the military and financial support of America and its NATO allies. Therefore, such an operation could not possibly have been planned and implemented without the full knowledge and approval of important elements of Western intelligence and military services, even if those elements might have deliberately ensured that their top political masters retained plausible deniability.
Not long before the attacks, President Donald Trump had publicly threatened Putin that some “really bad things” might happen if the Russians continued to reject American demands for an immediate ceasefire. So at the very least it seems plausible that Trump’s subordinates had vaguely informed our disengaged president that they had some “really bad things” ready to go in the near future.
Indeed, I think that Lavrov’s focus on Britain and its MI6 as the primary culprit while ignoring any American role was probably intended to avoid a complete diplomatic rupture with Washington rather than being a candid reflection of the conclusions of Russian intelligence.
Some additional evidence actually points even more strongly towards direct American involvement. A drone operation of such complexity and sophistication would have obviously required considerable testing, and the boastful Ukrainian government quickly declared that the planning had begun more than eighteen months earlier. One of our sharp-eyed columnists quickly noted that this was exactly the time period when large flights of mysterious drones had suddenly been reported in the vicinity of New Jersey and some other parts of the American East Coast. This epidemic of drone sightings provoked all sorts of wild stories of UFOs and Chinese military threats until the U.S. government finally admitted that the drone flights were instead part of a classified American military operation.
And although the Russians restricted their public accusations to Britain, their retaliatory doctrine put that country at potential risk of nuclear retaliation.
Furthermore, just a few days before this drone strike on Russian airbases, there were reports that Putin’s personal helicopter had been attacked by a large swarm of Ukrainian drones when he visited Kursk on an inspection tour, with strong suspicions that this had been an assassination attempt. I think the dramatic attack against Russia’s nuclear forces that followed so soon afterward greatly raised the likelihood of such an assassination scenario.
Since the very beginning of the Ukraine war, leading American media figures and top U.S. Senators had publicly called for Putin’s assassination, and in an article from a couple of years ago, I discussed what might have been a previous attempt along such lines, as well as the long Western history of employing such lethal means to remove opposing leaders:
- Assassinating Vladimir Putin?
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • May 15, 2023 • 3,800 Words
So over the period of just a few days, the West attempted to destroy an important portion of Russia’s nuclear deterrent capability and also kill President Putin. We can easily imagine how America would react if the Chinese or the Russians had taken such actions, whether directly or through their proxies.
The notion that America and some of its NATO allies were directly or indirectly involved in an attempt to eliminate one leg of Russia’s nuclear triad and kill Russia’s president is so astonishingly reckless a possibility that I cannot recall any Hollywood movie nor popular spy thriller that ever contained such a plotline, demonstrating once again that real life has proven stranger than fiction. Indeed, despite the severe tensions during our long Cold War against Soviet Communism, no fictional work comes to mind in which the government of the much demonized USSR was ever portrayed as launching such an attack against America’s own nuclear triad or top political leadership.
We are obviously drifting in uncharted waters, bobbing around in a sea of floating thermonuclear mines, any of which could easily detonate, leading to the destruction of most of human civilization.
In the immediate aftermath of these attacks, Western pundits sympathetic to Russia declared that Putin would be compelled to take exceptionally strong retaliatory measures in order to maintain his domestic political support and also ensure that there would be no future repetition of such extremely destabilizing operations.
For example, Dr. Gilbert Doctorow watches Russian television, monitoring the climate of public sentiment in that country, and then frequently passes on his observations during his regular guest appearances on Judge Andrew Napolitano’s popular podcast show. He explained that for the first time he now thought that Putin’s political standing might be at serious risk if very severe Russian retaliation did not swiftly follow.
Scott Ritter is another Napolitano guest, someone with a strong military background but often quite bombastic and “excitable” in his statements, and he was even more emphatic. He declared that Putin would almost certainly now use huge waves of missile strikes, including his most advanced hypersonics, to destroy Ukraine while killing President Volodymr Zelensky and probably most of the country’s parliament. Such a decisive action would thereby warn Britain that any future attacks against Russian nuclear forces might result in the “disappearance” of London.
Based upon such bold predictions, I naturally wondered what dramatic form Russia’s military retaliation would soon take, but the end result seems to have been almost nothing at all. Nearly a month has now gone by, and Russia has merely responded with larger waves of the same drone and missile strikes that they have regularly been launching against Ukrainian targets for the last several years. If the loss of Ukrainian lives and the destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure had failed to deter NATO leaders since early 2022, why would additional losses make any difference? American war-hawks have sometimes even boasted that the West has been using Ukrainian cannon-fodder to successfully bleed Russia.
Doctorow, Ritter, and numerous other Western pundits argued that lack of any sufficiently strong Russian response would merely further embolden NATO’s anti-Russian political leadership and this certainly seems to have been the case. A few days ago the NATO countries declared they would dramatically boost their military spending to an unprecedented 5% of their national GDPs. Although these figures are surely exaggerated and completely unrealistic, such public pledges clearly indicate that NATO is potentially escalating rather than reducing its ongoing confrontation with Russia.
In particular, the new German Chancellor Friedrich Merz had taken a particularly aggressive line, apparently promising to authorize the use of its Taurus cruise missiles to strike targets deep in the Russian heartland, an enormously dangerous potential decision.
Threats of deadly Russian retaliation apparently led him to somewhat back off from this position, but he instead promised that Germany would assist Ukraine in producing those same missiles on its own territory, which some suggested might simply constitute a subterfuge for laundering those powerful weapons through the Ukrainians.
All of this strongly indicates the complete failure of Russian hopes that President Trump’s election would finally bring an end to the Ukraine war, or at least prevent continued NATO escalation. So I think something different must be considered.
If Russia failed to adequately respond to Western-backed attempts to assassinate Russia’s president and destroy much of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces, such actions are likely to be repeated, with incalculable consequences for the world if one of those operations eventually succeeds. The mechanics of Israel’s decapitating surprise attack against Iran’s military high command seemed suspiciously similar to the blow delivered against Russia less than two weeks earlier, and given the past assassinations of several high-ranking Russian generals, one wonders whether plans might not be in the works for a similar project targeting Moscow’s top leadership.
All these extremely bold Western attacks certainly suggest a complete disregard for Russian power. In a rational world, such operations would only be risked against a feeble, faltering Russia, a country ripe for defeat, collapse, and perhaps dismemberment at the hands of its far more powerful NATO adversaries.
Yet oddly enough, I see the actual facts as being exactly the opposite.
Russia currently has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal, with the estimated number of its warheads somewhat outnumbering America’s total. Much more importantly, it also deploys a very powerful suite of unstoppable hypersonic missiles as either conventional or nuclear delivery systems. Despite our own gargantuan annual military budget, comparable in size to that of the rest of the world combined and many times greater than what Russia spends, all American efforts to develop these same sorts of advanced missile systems have been marked by years of repeated, embarrassing failure.
A few months ago, Russia also successfully demonstrated its revolutionary new Oreshnik hypersonic missile system, which even in its purely conventional version provides striking power similar to that of a nuclear warhead, thus allowing Russia to inflict unprecedented destruction without crossing the nuclear threshold.
I lack any substantial military expertise, but based upon the combination of all of these factors, Russia today would seem to clearly enjoy strategic military superiority over America and its NATO allies, having achieved full “escalation dominance” on both the nuclear and conventional levels.
However, there exists a total divergence between this Russian strategic military power and any resulting Western deference. I think this puzzling anomaly is best explained by the West’s own strategic weapon of enormous, perhaps even greater power, a weapon that can largely nullify most of the impact of Russia’s own strategic military superiority.
America and its close allies possess overwhelming dominance over the global media, allowing them to shape the perceived reality of much of the world’s population, ruling elites included. By heavily influencing the thoughts and beliefs of the individuals who control large military forces, nuclear arsenals, and vast wealth, this power of illusion can often easily overwhelm the political impact of the existing balance of physical power in the real world.
This same media mind-control is powerfully deployed inwardly at our own citizenry and ruling elites. Thus, the Western alliance has remained surprisingly cohesive and committed, adhering to policies that would seem deeply inimical to the best interests of many of its major members, who might otherwise have been expected to revoke their damaging alignment.
Any actual use of nuclear weapons let alone strategic ones might plausibly escalate to the large-scale exchanges that would result in worldwide destruction. Therefore, their main practical value is as a powerful means of deterrence and intimidation. But any such impact assumes that other leaders will recognize that power and react accordingly. This is not the case if the thoughts of those leaders are heavily clouded by media mind-control.
Thus, to a considerable extent, this Western media weapon has successfully nullified the impact of Russian strategic military superiority. For such superiority to have any influence, it must be recognized as such, and if media power blinds both Western populations and their elites to that important reality, the impact is largely eliminated. A loaded handgun cannot be used to effectively deter or intimidate a group of individuals if their zombified brains fail to appreciate its potential lethality.
Put another way, even if Russian hypersonics can successfully pierce any of the West’s defensive missile systems, the political results of this powerful military technology will be minimal unless the Russians can similarly develop some effective means of piercing the West’s defensive shield of media mind-control.
The practical value of this Western media weapon was demonstrated very early in the Ukraine conflict. The huge German-Russian Nord Stream pipelines were vital to the German economy as the main conduit for cheap Russian energy. Our own government naturally regarded them as a politically dangerous element of European-Russian economic integration, so numerous top American leaders publicly promised to eliminate them, including President Joseph Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. A huge underwater explosion soon destroyed those pipelines, with Blinken, Nuland, and other leaders then crowing about the great benefits for America and gleefully declaring that the pipelines were now merely “a hunk of metal on the bottom of the sea.”
- American Pravda: Of Pipelines and Plagues
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • October 3, 2022 • 3,900 Words
A few months later, renowned investigative journalist Seymour Hersh came out with a blockbuster expose providing all the details of the American attack that had destroyed the pipelines, an obvious act of war against Germany, our most important NATO ally. This prompted hearings at a public session of the United Nations Security Council devoted to that topic.
- Seymour Hersh: Standing Tall in a Sea of Lies
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • February 13, 2023 • 2,000 Words - “But That Newspaper Is Dead”
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • February 27, 2023 • 2,400 Words
The insurance payout on the WTC towers destroyed on 9/11 was less than $4.6 billion while the construction costs of the pipelines themselves were roughly $20 billion and the loss of cheap Russian energy inflicted huge damage to the economies of Germany and other European nations. So at the time, I confidently assumed that Hersh’s revelations would soon lead to the collapse of NATO.
But I was entirely mistaken. But as far as I can tell, Western media mind-control has ensured that an overwhelming majority of Germans and other Europeans have still remained completely unaware of what had happened. Instead, most of them have been persuaded that the greatest act of industrial terrorism in world history was instead probably committed by a handful of shadowy Ukrainian activists on a rented sailboat, an absolutely ludicrous alternative hypothesis.
The case of the Nord Stream pipeline attacks perfectly illustrates how Western media has completely warped reality for Western populations and Western elites, with enormous geostrategic consequences. However, the actual circumstances of Russia’s entire war with Ukraine have been distorted by the same blanket of unreality.
Following the 1991 breakup of the old Soviet Union and the end of the long Cold War, Ukraine had very usefully functioned as a buffer state between the Russian Federation and NATO, with its population evenly divided by ethnicity and ideology into pro-Russian and anti-Russian elements. But in 2014 that was all changed by a Western-backed coup that overthrew Ukraine’s democratically-elected Russian-leaning government and installed a fiercely anti-Russian regime that threatened Russia’s continuing use of its very important Crimean naval base of Sebastopol, and also provoked the secession of the ethnic Russian territories of the Donbass. For centuries Crimea had been an integral part of Russia and its population was almost entirely ethnically Russian, so the quick response of the government of President Putin was to annex that region with the overwhelming support of its population, while also lending aid to the Donbass separatists.
Prof. John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago ranks as one of our most distinguished political scientists, and in 2014 he gave a public lecture on the simmering Ukraine conflict that he warned might eventually lead to a major war in Europe. After sitting quietly on YouTube for many years, his prescient presentation exploded in popularity once his prediction came true in 2022, and its 30 million current views may now have made it the most popular academic lecture in the history of the Internet.
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University spent decades as an important economic advisor to Russia, Ukraine, Poland, and other countries in the region, making him a direct eyewitness to many of the important developments responsible for the conflict. Last year he provided his first-hand account in a two-and-a-half hour interview with Tucker Carlson. The Tweet containing that interview has already been viewed more than 6 million times and I would highly recommend watching the entire segment, either on that platform or on YouTube:
Despite their enormous scholarly credentials and their deep knowledge of the issues, both these leading academics have been almost completely banned from our rabidly anti-Russian mainstream media outlets. Fortunately, over the last several years they have become regular interview guests on various popular podcast channels, including that of Judge Andrew Napolitano, thereby reaching an audience easily comparable to that of various cable news shows on network television. They have been joined by numerous other seasoned experts and analysts, equally blacklisted by mainstream outlets.
These latter individuals include Ray McGovern, who spent 27 years as a leading CIA analyst, rising to become head of the Soviet policy group and serving as the morning intelligence briefer for a half-dozen American presidents. Others in this distinguished company include Col. Larry Wilkinson, the long-time chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell and Chas Freeman Jr. who had a long and very distinguished diplomatic career and served as Assistant Secretary of Defense. Their views on the origins of the Ukraine war are in perfect alignment, as are those of other regular guests such as Alastair Crooke, Col. Douglas Macgregor, Dr. Gilbert Doctorow, Larry Johnson, Philip Giraldi, and Scott Ritter.
Yet the narrative seemingly embraced by the vast majority of Western elites seems an entirely different one, as exemplified by the bizarre but almost ubiquitous tendency to describe Russia’s invasion as “completely unprovoked.”
Thus, Western media power has successfully befogged the minds of Europeans, preventing them from recognizing Russia’s strategic military superiority or the culprits behind the Nord Stream pipeline attacks or the true origins of the Ukraine war. As a result, Russia has been placed in a difficult situation, and its lack of effective retaliation for the recent strikes against its nuclear forces and its president becomes much more understandable.
Suppose, for example, that Russia had retaliated in the very harsh manner suggested by Ritter and others. If Russian attacks had leveled much of Ukraine, killing President Zelensky and most of Ukraine’s other leaders, Western media power would have transformed such retaliation into monstrous, horrific, and totally “unprovoked” atrocities and its victims into pitiful martyrs. This would further demonize Russia in the minds of Europe’s citizenry and elites, fully cementing the reigning anti-Russian narrative.
Every objective observer recognizes that the current conflict amounts to a NATO proxy-war with Russia, with NATO supplying the massive financial support, advanced weaponry, training, targeting intelligence, and even key personnel that have allowed Ukraine to give Russia so much trouble. With such full NATO backing, the Ukrainians have frequently inflicted stinging losses upon Russia’s far superior forces. Indeed, by the standards of international law, NATO had long since already become a co-belligerent in the conflict, though for geopolitical reasons the very cautious Russians have refused to publicly declare that reality and take retaliatory measures.
Such caution is not unwarranted. Taken together, the countries of the NATO alliance have a combined population of nearly one billion, their recent annual military spending is 54% of the world’s total or about $1.3 trillion, and their aggregate GDP is nearly $50 trillion. By contrast, Russia’s population is only 138 million, its military spending is $145 billion, and its total GDP is $2 trillion. So Russia seems outmatched roughly 7-to-1 in population, 9-to-1 in military spending, and 25-to-1 in GDP. All these financial figures were given in nominal dollars and use of much more realistic PPP dollars would shrink these ratios by a factor of two or more, but a huge imbalance would still remain. Similarly, the inclusion of Russia’s close ally China would more than equalize these figures, but China’s military forces are almost entirely pointed towards the Taiwan Strait, the South China Sea, and other nearby coastal areas, so its vast power cannot be easily brought to bear in the European theater, where Russia confronts NATO.
Thus, President Putin and his advisors face a severe dilemma. Western media power has largely nullified the deterrence value of Russia’s strategic superiority. But if those weapons were actually used to destroy Ukraine, let alone to hit NATO military targets, that same media power would falsely portray such strikes as monstrous war-crimes, thereby further solidifying the Western alliance and boosting popular support for increased military spending.
Given that NATO’s total population and industrial base is so many times greater than that of Russia, if the alliance holds firm, Russia might eventually be ground down over time. What was originally intended as a very limited punitive attack against Ukraine lasting just a few weeks has now gone on for well over three years, producing huge causalities on both sides, and it must be brought to an end. Meanwhile, the lack of any sufficiently strong Russian retaliation against NATO has merely emboldened the Western leaders to take more and more reckless and provocative actions, actions that at some point might result in a catastrophe for the world.
One strange aspect of this current conflict is that Russia has essentially been fighting NATO with both hands tied behind its back. NATO missiles using NATO targeting intelligence and key NATO personnel—legally laundered through the fig-leaf of its Ukrainian proxy—have regularly struck deep inside Russia, inflicting many serious blows, including sinking the flagship and other vessels of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, but Russia has refused to respond in kind. So in effect, the NATO countries have constituted a safe haven for producing and assembling the military hardware and systems used to equip Ukraine’s forces without suffering any risk of Russian retaliation. Russian cities have been struck by NATO missiles but NATO cities and their populations have not faced any similar threat.
I lack any military expertise, so my views should be taken with a large grain of salt, but I think that if Russia were actually involved in a full-fledged conventional war against NATO, the situation would be quite different. These days, most of the European NATO countries possess relatively small ground forces having little or no combat experience, so the major conventional advantage of the alliance lies in its airpower, with America’s fleet of advanced combat aircraft greatly outnumbering Russia’s own.
But surely within the first few hours of any such a conventional war, large waves of Russia’s unstoppable hypersonic missiles would completely destroy every major NATO airbase in Europe, totally eliminating the availability of nearly all of the West’s land-based aircraft. And if America brought its carriers within striking distance, they could easily be sunk along with any accompanying warships, much like Ukraine’s far less advanced missiles had devastated Russia’s Black Sea fleet. Meanwhile, Russia’s anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems are regarded as among the best in the world, and they could probably defeat or deter any early NATO airstrikes until the total lack of surviving European airbases eliminated the significant use of that combat arm.
Such a possible scenario of a conventional NATO military defeat should deter NATO leaders from their current recklessness. But those ideas can only have that impact if they could somehow penetrate the all-encompassing power of Western media mind-control.
Thus, the only real solution for the Russian leadership is to somehow circumvent Western media power and split the Western alliance but do so in a way that absolutely minimizes risk of a dangerous military escalation.
As it happens, just over a year ago I proposed exactly such a Russian strategy. Given the extremely dangerous recent attacks against Russia’s nuclear deterrent force and its president, I think that approach should now be given very serious consideration.
The idea is a simple one. Russia should publicly declare that it now considered NATO a co-belligerent in the Ukraine war and that Russia would therefore retaliate against the Western alliance. But instead of any lethal attack against NATO armed forces, the retaliation would initially take the form of a live demonstration of superior Russian strategic military power.
The Russians could announce their plans for a hypersonic missile strike against the NATO headquarters building in Brussels, Belgium, with the attack scheduled for 12 noon in three days’ time.
That sort of advance warning would attract enormous international attention and coverage, certainly becoming the world’s top news story during the several days that followed, and easily penetrating any obfuscating layers of Western media. Providing NATO with plenty of time to evacuate the building and those nearby would prove that Russia sought to absolutely minimize any loss of life, thereby refuting years of inflammatory Western propaganda.
Given the intent of the operation, the Russians could publicly suggest that NATO defend its HQ by ringing it with all of its best anti-missile defense systems, thereby allowing a real-life test of the two competing technologies. NATO leaders and highly-paid military contractors who had spent years or decades boasting of the great effectiveness of their enormously expensive anti-missile systems could prove the sincerity of their convictions by courageously locating themselves in the targeted HQ building at the time of the attack.
Assuming that the multi-missile strike still succeeded in totally leveling the NATO HQ, the result would be few if any unnecessary human casualties along with a simultaneous demonstration that Russian hypersonics were indeed unstoppable by any NATO defenses, with obvious political implications for the citizens of the Western alliance. The city of Brussels would have acquired a huge new hole in the ground, a very visible local landmark that would surely appear on the front pages of every newspaper in the world, perhaps even eventually converted into a permanent political monument.
As I further explained in June 2024:
The Russians could then announce that their next retaliatory strikes would sink several of our aircraft carriers, a warning that American military leaders would now be forced to take very seriously.
Under such circumstances, both the political leaders and electorates of the West might draw some important conclusions from that very high-profile military demonstration. If despite such considerable advance warning, NATO still proved completely unable to defend its own headquarters from total destruction in a Russian attack, the perceived value of that military alliance would crumble, perhaps causing it to dissolve, as should have happened after the end of the Cold War more than thirty years ago.
It would also be difficult for Western media outlets to continue demonizing a Russian government that had gone to such great lengths to minimize any human casualties, while the extreme effectiveness of Russian hypersonics would have been proven by the wreckage and craters suddenly appearing in the heart of Brussels. Taken together, this would constitute a velvet glove on an iron fist.
Many Americans might ask themselves why they were annually spending a trillion dollars on their military if our defense contractors were unable to produce hypersonic weapons or to successfully defend against those produced by the Russians.
And American political and military leaders would probably recognize that if despite such advance warning they were unable to defend their own NATO headquarters from destruction, our aircraft carriers would have little hope of surviving a Russian attack. Our country’s global power-projection relies very heavily upon these carriers, whose military credibility supports our inflated US dollar. If several of those carriers were easily sunk, that credibility would be lost, probably causing a collapse in the dollar. Our ruling political regime might collapse along with it, much like the Japanese victory in 1905 had triggered a revolution in Czarist Russia.
More than three decades ago, the mighty Soviet Union crumbled and dissolved with almost no bloodshed. Under the right circumstances, I think that the Russian destruction of the NATO headquarters building might lead to an equally bloodless and long overdue dissolution of that military alliance.
- Should Vladimir Putin Call His Shot on a NATO Brushback Pitch?
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • June 3, 2024 • 3,300 Words
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Thank you, as always, Mr. Unz, for your sober analysis of what is really going on.
One cannot ever be absolutely sure, but at least you are presenting dissenting views. My wife and I have been watching all of this play out. She is a survivor of communism who loves America, and I am an American who is seeing his country and his history in a light that is disturbingly different from what he grew up with.
Please continue with your analyses.
The Russians could announce their plans for a hypersonic missile strike against the NATO headquarters building in Brussels, Belgium, with the attack scheduled for 12 Noon in three days’ time.
Iran tried a stunt like that last year against Israel and it had no effect on the warmonger Bibi. Likewise Putin’s demonstration would have no effect on the NATO War Pigs.
Russia is currently capturing city after city in the Ukraine with Ukraine’s army on the verge of collapse. They should continue to focus on that success and in the long term BRICS and de-dollarization will lead to the continued decline of the EU and the US empire.
The EU’s top diplomat is interviewed on the PBS Newshour about the conflicts with Russia and Iran. She is a pleasant, reasonably photogenic, polite woman. In the brief interview she presents conclusions without data. These conclusions are based entirely on a foundation of huge lies. Crucial information is entirely omitted. The interviewer, polite and pleasant Nick Schifrin, raises no contradictory facts, tossing softball after softball.
Europe’s top diplomat discusses EU’s relationship with Trump and next steps for Iran
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/europes-top-diplomat-discusses-eus-relationship-with-trump-and-next-steps-for-iran
This interview is a brief example of the perfect propaganda presentations currently being used by the war profiteering oligarchy. It shows vividly how reasonably intelligent, reasonably educated, apparently sincere people can actually be devious participants in the most gigantic and vicious crimes against humanity.
The “Newshour” NEVER interviews anyone to present the volumes of evidence they cover up in this interview.
These people are ESSENTIAL to the Zionist oligarchy’s hold on the public’s mind, and hence to their their evil agenda.
Big Sister is already here.
Fortunately we have people like Ron Unz, with courage and dedication to the truth, who are fighting back.
The West behaves like a woman now because its rulers are women and effeminate men. It’s like when you see a 99lb women berating a much bigger male, not understanding how harsh the retaliation can be, since most women have never had to fight. Same with effeminate men, like Tony Blinken and the Sullivan character, or Rubio or Lindsey Graham. None of these fellows has ever had to throw a punch in anger, or get up and fight after getting punched in the face. It’s even worse in Europe. And so they yell, and wag fingers and lie and nag at Russia, with no conception of consequence. They’ve never had a consequence in their lives. Until the day they do.
Give Ukraine nuclear weapons, says Zelenskyy
“If Ukraine isn’t granted NATO membership it will need another way to defend itself from Russia in future, said the Ukrainian president.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/give-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-says-volodymyr-zelenskyy/
Ian Flemings’s novel Goldfinger has a plot to freeze the Fort Knox gold reserve.
Brilliant, once again. Nailed it. THANKS!
Your statement ” Western media has completely warped reality for Western populations” is the summation I’ve been searching for. However, I am sure that most of the Western population has not yet grasped this provable fact. Especially many of the commentors on this very site. The “Western media mind control” is the very base of the TDS, which has infected many millions of the less able. It’s so simple to just believe, rather than inquiring, to learn or know. And the ignorance, as you rightly claim, is a powerful force. That’s probably why they keep injecting it as much as possible. Attacking the messenger to destroy the message. Hopefully, truth finally wins. Prey$
It is important to remember that the Russian strategic bombers that were destroyed were old and almost out of action. You don’t park your best car outside – to serve a purpose – for someone to steal it. These old bombers were used as decoys to satisfy the nuclear arms treaties with the U.S. Most (90%) of the Russian strategic bombers are hidden and sheltered in safe places. I can’t tell if Iran is learning from Russia or Russia is learning from Iran in the latest acts of terrorism sponsored by the US and Jews.
Russia keeps taking losses — Nordstream, strategic nuclear radar, strategic nuclear bombers, western satellite guided munitions — but they have zero leadership that will rise to stop this illegal aggression. Facing Russia, in Washington, we have utter psychopaths that revel at the thought at touching off a new war. For the west, war and psychosis are their main exports. Forever.
In the past, Washington has run war and terror ops (seamlessly across military, banking and corporate sectors) by itself and in combination with partners at the UN and NATO. During the last quarter century, the BRICS crew did nothing (alone or en mass) to slow Washington’s juggernaut over the 7 countries they targeted for extermination. They did trade favors with Washington while War, Incorporated played the long game. Washington gained ever more power and control at the expense of these timid countries.
Now Washington is involved in de-population – killing and injuring scores of Americans with the clot shot bioweapon. They are co-belligerents with Israel in genocide and too many crimes-against-humanity to count. Trump has gone crazy with sneak attacks directly and by proxy against Iran. Iran has raised it quills and may be ready to answer the rabid criminals in Washington. Unless they launch nukes or other wonder-weapons, their response will be too little, too late. I don’t know that Russia or China will ever grow pair – I just don’t see the backbone there.
I hope I’m wrong.
Look at you, Ron Unz… war-gaming !
We can’t say your proposal wouldn’t work, and maybe it would.
But as an aside, please do acknowledge that the Western media is almost totally run by Jews, who now hate Russia for a number of reasons, no matter how much Putin tries to walk the line with them. Because Russia is being accused by the Jews for not being anti-Hamas enough, and of course, for not letting them run Russia after 1990.
Same as the Jews declared war on Hitler in 1933, they are obviously using their headquarters in the City of London, which runs the MI6 and CIA (and Mossad), the USG, the EU, and almost all the European governments as well, including their militaries, to direct the show in Ukraine.
Keep going up to the top, and you’ll always find godless, violent Jews and their Shabbos Goy bribees who know no bounds of human deceny, but only do the devil’s work for him.
We can say we are very grateful to you that you are decent Jew who provides a great service with Unz.com, as well as always-awesome and thought-provoking articles by yourself especially.
Thank you, Ron, always, for your work and your site. May you come to Jesus Christ and His Word (as opposed to fake “Christianity” who hates Jesus’ Word) and be Blessed!
What state would benefit from Russia’s bombing NATO headquarters in Brussels? Why Israel of course, the state–or state to be–that benefited from WWI and WWII. Russia’s bombing Brussels would create a distraction from Israel’s genocide in Palestine far exceeding the distraction Israel created with it’s attack on Iran. Ironic that the Ukrainian attack on Russian nuke bases has earmarks of an Israeli job, like the pager attack on Hezbollah and the smuggled-in drones used in its recent attack on Iran. Here’s one way Israel wouldn’t benefit from Russia’s retaliation against NATO: Iran should simultaneously do the same against Mossad in Tel Aviv. We’d soon find out whether Israel reaped any benefit from WWIII.
The Pentagon is recklessly desperate to get data on Russian hypersonic performance characteristics. The insane provocative moves by US/NATO— e.g., the Pentagon’s drone strikes against Irkutsk and Murmansk hitting Tu-95, Tu-22, and Tu-160 nuclear bombers was meant to trigger a Russian response using its cutting-edge hypersonic weapons— up to and including the Oreshnik— against its expendable proxy, Ukraine.
Problem for the Pentagon is that the Russkies are smart and sophisticated and won’t take the bait. When the Russians fired an Oreshnik last November, they had to wait for an exact moment U.S. surveillance satellites had passed over/changed orbit and NATO ISR assets in Poland were not covering Dnipro.
This is exactly the kind of thing the Russkies would never do for the reason I mentioned above.
If Ukraine is a proxy for the West, then who is the West a proxy for?
If one doesn’t know that, then one will NEVER understand the truth about the conflict with Russia. Here’s an article that explains it succinctly.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/the-truth-about-the-conflict-with-russia/
I think you’re giving too much weight to the relevance of the media in Putin’s decision making. He should know by now that he is the bad guy no matter what he does.
Above all, I see a flaw in your argument. You are suggesting that the media only has one playbook and that they are agitating against Russia no matter what. But in my opinion this is not true. The media is a narrative-generating apparatus and thus exactly the control tool that Edward Bernays has so often described, e.g. in his short essay the Engineering of Consent that can be read for free on the internet
http://www.fraw.org.uk/data/politics/bernays_1947.pdf
So my counter-argument is that if Putin were to respond in a tit-for-tat manner to NATO provocations, Western elites would begin to fear and respect Russia, and then initiate a retreat from proxy war and order the media accordingly to slowly shift to a new psyop (climate, China…). Just like the COVID hoax was flushed down the toilet from one day to the next. Or monkeypox. Or ISIS. Or UFOs.
And your suggestion about NATO HQ is to me like the idea of prosecuting Fauci. Sounds good, but it will never happen. What I don’t understand is why Putin doesn’t supply missiles and air defense to the Houthis and Iran, for example. Iran could defend itself against war planes and the Houthis could then easily attack Israel and, above all, US ships. That would be exactly the same as what the USA is doing with Ukraine and Russian ships. At the same time, Putin would have what in political jargon is called plausible deniability.
My theory as to why Putin is doing nothing is one of two options: either he thinks that things are going well for him at the moment because Russia is making incremental progress. And he doesn’t want to give the West a reason to officially join the war, e.g. with boots on the ground. Second possibility: he is part of the game.
I have great respect for Ron Unz but the only course of action I can see in the face of unprecedented media control is for Russia to not strike NATO.
Russia is winning on the ground in Ukraine – albeit slowly and at high cost – and victory there doesn’t trigger WW3.
Maybe there are some similarities to the US – China cold war. The Western media only hides the fact of the accelerating industrial/manufacturing defeat of the West. They can’t fix the problem, and countries around the world continue to defect from the Empire and join the China orbit.
The West is starting to look like the late stage Soviet Union where their financial/economic system couldn’t handle the stresses and eventually imploded..
As always I very much appreciate Mr Unz’s calm, objective assessment of the situation. However, I think he is too impressed by the West’s “strategic media weapon”.
Following Stalin’s rhetorical question about the Pope, I would ask “How many thermonuclear warheads has the Western media?”
The most that the media can do is to disinform Western civilians, who have no power and very little influence anyway. It’s annoying and disillusions those of us who hoped for better, but it has very little political or military effect.
I suspect that Mr Unz greatly overestimates the credence given to Western media outside the “Golden Billion”. And national leaders are better informed, since most of them – unlike Mr Trump and Sir Keir Starmer – are wise enough to listen to their own intelligence services. More and more influential people from more and more countries flock to big international events held in Russia and neighbouring nations like Kazakhstan, where they hear the Russian side of the story.
Last and perhaps most important, the narrative that Russia has been “bogged down” in Ukraine is utterly false. Rather, it is proceeding at its own pace since the longer the fighting goes on the more complete its victory will be. The Russian economy, like the Chinese economy, is doing just fine while those of the USA, the UK, and the European nations are in serious trouble – which is covered up, for the time being, by those same media.
This reminds me of the Lusitania incident during WW1. Media power made this possible in the first place and useful for the propaganda later. This goes to show the problem is not new.
Don’t let me get started on a certain book of fairy tails around an imaginary desert deity. Quintessentially a very successful propaganda campaign with dire consequences for millennia.
Not new, indeed.
I must admit that I am truly impressed that the Author was able to revise his earlier suggestions that due to the similarity of the attacks on the Iranian and Russian assets, it must have been Israel that was behind it.
I am not saying that Israel was not involved. In fact it is very likely that they were supplying the technical know how. However, it is important to look past the obvious similarities and seek who really benefited from the attack on Russian airfields.
And so the conclusions of this article seem to be much closer to what might have happened, than the previous ad hoc suggestions.
As a side remark, I would like to add a short story about “similarities”, and where they originate.
A few years before 2022, a little known (at that time) Polish-born operative of a certain US agency returned to Poland and immediately started a very professional public campaign to completely remodel Polish armed forces. The most remarkable was the fact that this person had no military background of any kind, he simply was trained as a political scientist, with a doctoral thesis titled “Geostrategiczna Sytuacja USA i Chin na Zachodnim Pacyfiku i w Eurazji a amerykańska koncepcja wojny powietrzno-morskiej” (I know it’s in Polish but I think even in Polish it is rather obvious that he was no expert on military tactics 🙂 ).
He had many highly publicized meetings with the top brass, he had a backing of the top government officials, and media coverage was enormous. That is until he finally started publishing the results of his “analyses”. This is when the shock came. This is because he essentially recommended turning Polish armed forces into light partisan-style units, except for a few divisions, which he said needed to be “immediately” repositioned to Lithuania and Ukraine, resp., as a NATO trigger against a potential Russian invasion of either of these countries. This was mid 2021.
Today we can easily see the similarities between how Ukrainian armed forces were organized and trained, and what dr Bartosiak proposed for Poland. Yet he was not influenced by the Ukrainians, but rather by people much much closer to Potomac.
And this is how similarities are formed.
“The Russians could announce their plans for a hypersonic missile strike against the NATO headquarters building in Brussels, Belgium, with the attack scheduled for 12 Noon in three days’ time.”
Maybe a better idea : exactly the same but WITHOUT any explosives BUT one hypersonic missile strike against Brussels, London, Paris, Berlin, and New york on the same day.
Huge THANKS @Ron Unz for yet another great article/essay!
Pardon my feeble memory (I avidly read everything you’ve published here, but I couldn’t claim to remember every single detail), perhaps you’ve already mentioned it elsewhere, but couldn’t it be that the few incidents regarding yachts (allegedly with people linked to different Western intelligence agencies onboard) mysteriously sunk in different Italian locations (helping my aforementioned weak memory with AI, I’m referring for example to the Godiva, Minx and Ramarre) were actually some subtle retaliation…From Russia With Love?
Nudge Theory and it’s application particularly in Brexit and Cambridge Analytica needs a forensic. All the trusted voices you mention had turned a professional blind eye during their careers, MH17 had similar fuselage colors as Russian presidential aircraft which was transiting airspace Putin returning from Brazil. NATO has gone full POTLATCH without the amazing Haida and Tlingit artwork:)
The patient resolve of Vladimir Putin has been remarkable and has doubtless saved
many Russian lives since his “advance and fallback” tactics have repeatedly tempted
the Ukrainians into assaulting heavily defended, fixed Russian positions with substantial
artillery advantages, protected by extensive minefields.
It is also transparently clear that NATO has little concern for the number of Ukrainians
killed, since their primary goal is Russian attrition and preventing Russia from
interfering in the Palestinians War, or from actively aiding the Iranians.
One of the most grievous mistakes in wartime is for political leaders to believe their own
propaganda. NATO has definitely underestimated the Russian perception that the War is
existential, whereas they believed they were just poking the bear to test his mettle
and wear him down.
The Israelis and Americans also underestimated the advances in the Iranian hypersonic
missile program, and overestimated the ability of the Israeli civilians to tolerate destruction.
A problem with describing the so-called Operation Spiderweb as an attack on Russia’s ‘nuclear deterrent triad’, is that although those aircraft are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, they are also being heavily used in the SMO: they carry and launch precision munitions.
While I don’t know if the Russians rotate aircraft between bases, and I doubt specific planes permanently stationed in Irkutsk are used in the SMO, Tu-95 bombers flying from Olenya in the Murmansk region regularly launch cruise missiles aimed at targets in Ukraine — so from a military standpoint, it’s unreasonable to regard these aircraft as off-limits just because they are formally part of Russia’s ‘nuclear deterrent triad’ — in that sense, I don’t see Operation Spiderweb as particularly ‘reckless’, and the Russians, whom you describe as ‘extremely sober-minded and level-headed’, probably saw it that way too.
Yet you speculate that these same ‘extremely sober-minded and level-headed’ individuals might consider engaging in nuclear chicken with the West by ‘totally leveling NATO HQ’ — it often appears you are more interested in being controversial than in making sense.
It would be more reasonable for the Russians to regularly target rail links into Ukraine from Romania and Poland (US cargo planes land in Rzeszów), since a lot of munitions arrive in Ukraine via these routes — doing so would not involve striking NATO territory, and Russian social media channels often complain that little effort has been made to interdict this arms traffic.
It’s official: Ron Unz is a paid member of the Russian Opposition [US Ops]. For who else would say anything positive about Putin’s regime when all they do is kill their own at the behest of their US and Jewish masters. Paging Ritter, paging Hanania…
Uhhh…
Call it like it is…
Jewish Mind Control of the West, via Media Monopoly.
Foreign Policy magazine 28 Mar 2012 Israel s Secret Staging Ground AZERBAIJAN.
Mr. Unz moves his collection of toy lead soldiers around the battlefield with consummate skill.
The destroyed 1950s bombers’ strategic relevance for nuclear deterrence has been obsoleted by advances in aircraft and missile technology. Besides, nothing can deter the West’s puppet masters. One day, British nuisance will cross the threshold of Russian tolerance and the isle of Great Britain will rejoin Doggerland at the bottom of the North Sea. FAFO.
Yea Ukraine! Make Putin eat dirt.
Given how good Israelis Mossad is at coordinating these events, perhaps the US should hire them to take out Russia’s leadership?
Regarding the lie about the ‘unprovoked’ Ukraine war, the key item here is the 2010 Hague International Court decision in the case on EU-NATO intervention in Kosovo, in which the court affirmed that:
– Disaffected regions under attack by a central gov’t (Kosovo inside Serbia, Donbass inside Ukraine) have a full legal right to declare independence under UN Charter Article 1 on self-determination, and then in turn:
– That rebel region declaring independence, has a right to seek and receive outside country help for themselves (Kosovo from EU & NATO, Donbass from Russia).
The EU’s Ursula von der Leyen is reported as privately admitting this is the prime reason she banned Russian media in the EU, in order to hide that the 2022 Russian incursion in Ukraine was LEGAL via the Kosovo precedent which had involved the EU itself.
USA-led media control works well in the Anglo countries and Europe, but not so well in the rest of the world. It really is not enough of a monster to deter Russia from effective military action
The key element to notice Russian inaction is not its timidity in taking some big step against NATO etc, but rather its own clear timidity in Ukraine … not blowing up the 20-odd Dnieper River bridges which carry nearly all Ukie-NATO men and supplies to the battlefront. Even people like Russian ambassadors have essentially admitted this is a step that could end the Ukraine war within weeks, but Russia doesn’t do it, even though it is a quite small move in military terms re NATO.
In other words it is clear Russia is not trying to ‘win’ in Ukraine, but just continue (like the West) in war profiteering, and just continue (like the West) in a genocidal-tinged slaughter of hundreds of thousands of conservative white slavic men, as was predicted in the 1994 Chabad Lubavitcher Rebbe Schneerson talk that was published in Russia in Slavyanin in 2001, its editor Popov prosecuted but the prosecution failing as it was clear that the editor was merely quoting what Chabad’s leader actually said.
All the puzzlement and persistent strangeness is explainable – and had you stuck to Occam’s razor, the answer lies fully in the bolded clause of your own sentence.
Twice now, Trump has blabbered out that the US possesses exactly such a novel exclusive weapon :
A. (April 10th) “The U.S. is “far more powerful than people understand,” he added. “We have weaponry that nobody has any idea what it is and it is the most powerful weapons in the world that we have,” Trump told reporters. “So nobody is going to do that.” [1]
B. (2020) ““I have built a weapon system that nobody’s ever had in this country before,” the then president told the veteran Washington Post reporter. “We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before.” (Bob) Woodward said he looked into Trump’s claim and was told by an official it was true. [2]
C. As far as a show and tell for deterrence purposes goes, the US military leadership came close to that in 2021 “The system in question long has been cloaked in the blackest of black secrecy veils — developed as a so-called Special Access Program known only to a very few, very senior US government leaders. While exactly what capability could be unveiled is unclear, insiders say the reveal is likely to include a real-world demonstration of an active defense capability to degrade or destroy a target satellite and/or spacecraft. At least, that is what has been on the table since last year — when officials in the Trump administration viewed revealing the technology as a capstone to the creation of Space Command and Space Force. ” [3]
D. Furthermore they might even had done (C). Everything points to the US already having established capability far beyond what Russia can do yet – and Russia (and China) being aware of such capability. “including a recent experiment with France involving close (sic) maneuvers near a “competitor” satellite and a new experimental project to develop capabilities for “sustained space (sic) maneuver.” [4]
Russia’s restraint is then fully understandable and explainable. Game theory alone is needed. It does help to have level-headed individuals “Fortunately, President Vladimir Putin’s government consists of extremely sober-minded and level-headed individuals, ….”
[1] https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-china-weapons-tariffs-xi-jinping-2057772
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/26/trump-nuclear-weapons-boast-woodward-tape
[3] https://breakingdefense.com/2021/08/pentagon-posed-to-unveil-classified-space-weapon/
[4] https://breakingdefense.com/2025/04/time-for-space-force-to-clearly-say-it-needs-weapons-in-space-spacecom-head/
yes, they control western media, but a diminishing number of people believe or get their only news from said media. what the western pollies believe is not that important, is it? I think it is the reverse, the media show gives the ‘cover’ and ‘justification’ (figleaf) for the western pollies to do just what they are being told to do by their handlers, and what they had already planned to do. Similarly, what the general western populous believes is also not important – we have shown no ability to hold our politicians and beureaucracy, let alone the oligarchs, to account eg. covid. simply, we don’t matter anymore, their history will show the scripted talking points justifying the action taken by the west against demon Putin. Go look at the 1966 indian-sino war…..what a search brings up seems a bit short of reality. So what to do? Not sure, but Paul Craig Roberts warnings and advice seems more apt every week.
While it’s true the media manipulates public opinion, public opinion has little to nothing to do with this war. Nor do the independent opinions of those with positions in governments, those opinions are irrelevant to what is happening. Having an opinion that is not approved and voicing it repeatedly will simply lead directly to ouster from one’s position.
That the ostensible decision makers in the West give the superficial appearance of being unafraid of Russian retaliation is really very simple. Putin will not take serious action against the Jews. Either he cannot or will not take serious action against the Jews, therefore he cannot effectively deter them. To stop this war in Ukraine it is only necessary to make the Jews suffer for it. At that point, the hysteria of the Jewish reaction will be so great as to potentially precipitate WWIII.
Within a few weeks of the attack on the strategic bombers, there is the attack on Iran. And the attack on Iran is actually of immensely greater significance than drones taking out some totally obsolete Russian nuclear bombers that are already positioned on runways to be immediately destroyed in the event of a US first strike. Russia has many Bear bombers that could be conceivably brought back into service. The attack was a pin-prick. A “proof of concept.” Leading next to the Iran assault, which actually has strategic potential. Iran is a strategically crucial region, and it is difficult to imagine the United States destroying the Islamic Republic, deploying forces there, without leading immediately to either WWIII or the virtual capitulation of Russia and China to American demands.
The Russians schizophrenic (and supine) reactions to these two attacks, the one on the bombers and the one on Iranian leadership, is showing us the inherent contradictions of its strategic positioning. It is trying to please the Jews, yet trying to ward off the Jews. It’s going to have to pick one. Putin is either going to have to become the next Gorbachev and and announce the breakup of the Russian Federation and unilateral disarmament, followed by peacekeeper occupation of the major Russian cities and territories, with Jewish and Ukrainian troops in charge, or he is going to have to start punishing the Jews. This situation would NEVER have developed if Putin had carried on an aggressive foreign policy of intimidation of global Jewry.
Russia has continuously refused to escalate despite repeated prods by NATO.
I expect this to continue.
Brussels? They still haven’t hit Poland, where many ZATO mercenaries organize from. They never retaliated tit-for-tat by sinking ships for example, even when the pathetic UK navy provoked them in the Black Sea with their big scary Destroyer entering Russian waters.
Russia has remained focused on the close, managable conflict on its doorstep.
This is a cautious, steady hand and what it looks like externally – something we in the former west should be learning from…
I heard a theory that to prime the population for war, long potentially devastating wars that will alter the regime, you have to incite the people. The best way to do that is to ineffectually retaliate when struck. To the point that the people themselves demand total war/a real response or risk being overthrown. Real war, not strikes, not SMOs or retaliations or “Axis of Resistance” nonsense.
“The government didn’t take us to total war, the people demanded it.”
I think Iran and Russia are doing the same thing. If Russia plans to deal with NATO it needs a lot of anger, the type that will justify no holds barred potentially nuclear war. It took 8 years before it entered the Ukraine war, simmering the rage, showing the Donbass massacres. Iran too seems to be stirring the rage pot for a long attrition (potentially the recipient of nuclear retaliation) war.
Look at Israel, it stirred victimhood and racial anger for so long that there is little sign of war fatigue in their population.
The alternative is that Iran, Russia, China have such a fickle hold on power that they wouldn’t be able to pull half the shenanigans Western politicians pull without someone grabbing their seat when they fall down….
Good point. Iran keeps “calling its shots” and delivering missiles where it said it would, but the media obfuscates it and it hasn’t radically altered Western policy. If Russia delivered a “brushback pitch” and destroyed NATO headquarters, the media might spin it as a monstrous war crime requiring a devastating Western response, and we might be off to the races to WWIII.
Then again, it might be worth taking that risk, since we are already on a slippery slope to nuclear WWIII with no apparent off-ramp. The “brushback pitch” would at least offer the possibility of an off-ramp.
Very thoughtful commentary, but “media weapon”? I can’t agree. That would be akin to a ballistic vest made from newspaper cloth and word threads, good luck with that design. You can ignore reality but you can’t ignore the reality that follows the original ignorance, you can’t dodge the raindrops in a rainstorm, you might be nimble and fast, but you can’t outrun a .44.
It should be remembered that Europe lacks primary energy resources, they are vital in wartime, without them forget it, sure, they can buy energy from outside sources but it travels by sea, the ships will be sunk.
If they want war, all ISR satellites will be destroyed, transatlantic cables cut, power generation such as is will be destroyed. They will be communicating with homing pigeons and bicycle couriers.
Europe might have a larger population, but how useful are these people in reality, I think not very.
The European economy is a house of cards, the winds of war will blow it away in the blink of an eye, the propaganda weapon isn’t very nourishing for life, very low kcal.
America can’t help them, all supply ships will simply be sunk.
In the very best of circumstances, Europe preparing for war with Russia will take decades, not five or ten years. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
Unz might be right, but the evidence is weak. For three and a half years Russia has flailed around in Ukraine, yet they don’t control any more land than they did two years ago.
It is true that a cabal of American self-appointed podcasters keep saying the war is over, Ukraine lost, the AFU is collapsing, and so on. For three and a half years they have been saying this, but it never happened. The Russians are still bogged down in the East, with their 20%.
The reasons for this Russian failure are clear. The American drones are better than the Russian drones. The American artillery is better than the Russian artillery. The American satellite and communication system is better than the Russian one. Most of the Russian Generals are incompetent. The list could go on. Russia is weak militarily.
Putin knows his forces would be easily crushed by NATO if the war escalates. This is why he constantly avoids escalation. His only viable path to stalemate would be nuclear, which would mean the destruction of Russia. So he actually only has the Ho Chi Minh strategy, just hang on, keep fighting, and hope America tires of it and goes away.
It is actually a good strategy.
These nuclear weapons. Something fishy about them. Since when in history did a ruler king whatever not use a capability that they had , ever, just because they were scared of retaliation?
‘Let’s not use those longbows, dreadnought etc as the other side has them’ might turn out bad.
When were they used in anger except some places with no English speaking witnesses , with an outcome similar to incendiary bombing of timber framed structures ( the masonry one in Hiroshima ground zero remains standing )
And remote testing on deserted pacific islands, desert , taiga , underground . No independent witnesses.
The best dog that didn’t bark….. Israel , Bibi is literally blowing up his own state to stay in power. Why wouldn’t they disappear Tehran if they could , right now.? Walls of granite mountains between Israel
And Iran. Prevailing westerlies. Easy.
Einstein the patent clerk sounds pretty fake . What about the rest of it. Those fearful ogres aren’t going to invent themselves.
This strike would create support for a counter-attack on Russia. Maybe blow up the Statue of Liberty instead. Ancient Soviet era bombers can readily penetrate American airspace. We know this because even commercial airliners got past the American air defense system on 9/11. And did you know, chickens have lips?
The US will be dropping support for Ukraine, not because Trump wants to, but because we are running out of defensive missiles to give to Ukraine. Trump can give them cash, but he can’t give them enough of what Ukraine needs most, Patriot missiles.
I would support an attack on NATO headquarters. I think it is a good idea. And it should be part of the “War on Terror”, but this time, it would be the real meaning of those words.
There are some issues with the idea, namely, what the author mentions, the media dominance of the West. The West would probably prepare for this attack by making very convincing video evidence in advance that nothing happened, even if it did, and circulate it, that Russia was not capable of hitting their target. And, for sure, it would be all over Western media, from Bucharest to Dublin, and the US…
So they should think of something that would work under these circumstances.
I have a much better idea…wink, wink…
Today;National Public Radio reporter acknowledged Russia’s incremental Ukraine territory takeover and quickly noted that at such rates,it would “take years to defeat Ukraine”. Apparently the reporter imagines a complete Russian advance all the way to the eastern boundary?
Well Ron, most of the Russian strategic bombers knocked out by Operation Spiderweb were built in the 70s according to designs from the 50s.
As is common knowledge, the nuclear triad is composed of ground-launched nuclear missiles, sea-based submarine-launched missiles, and lastly air-delivered missiles from those Tu95 and Tu22M intercontinental bombers, the types that were destroyed in the Ukro drone attacks.
Out of the three, the air-carried triad component is by far the less important, and almost just a token of merely symbolic importance. It could be brushed aside without much consequence, as Russia – or any other nuclear power – relies mostly on ground based missiles, and on submarine-based ones in case a preemptive strike from the United States managed to destroy the ground-launching silos.
So, the damage done by Operation Spiderweb is mostly limited to a hit on Russian prestige. In fact, it bears little practical consequences in terms of ability of Russia to launch, or effectively respond to, a nuclear strike. That’s why Putin so easily just backed off from retaliating in any form for this. No consequential damage had really been done to Russia.
The piece I link explains these aspects in a much clearer and more detailed manner than I can possibly do.
https://anti-empire.org/p/operation-spiderweb-great-success
Ukrainians just need the satellite communication and monitoring from the West. They are not Haitians.
Indeed, probably it’s the other way around.
Americans have yet to properly incorporate drones in their tactical doctrine, and then drill their usage to their troops and junior officers.
If the USA were to go to war against Russia right now, then without assistance from Ukrainian expertise, they’d be routed by Russian drones capabilities.
One counterargument: Russia already gave them a brushback pitch and it didn’t get through their thick skulls. If you believe the Connecticut got in a fender-bender with a big mountain then please help me, I am a Nigerian prince and I need to reclaim my royal patrimony from a Swiss bank, please Venmo me 80 USD for bank fees and I will generously compensate you
Poseidons were advertised as doomsday weapons for Tsar Bomba, to scare Shlomo Q. Public with tsunamis but they’re undersea drones, disposable with active sensors and they can wipe out the whole boomer fleet. They turn the strongest leg of the triad into a demolition derby where Russia’s running ’97 Ladas and the USA is running Dad’s new Porsche.
Sad to say, Russia’s safest option against irrational beltway assholes is an incapacitating pre-emptive strike. That is counter to jus cogens but the US has been breaking every rule in the book like it’s a checklist. In that case countermeasures revert to Article 51: make the USA a parking lot, then place your forces at the disposal of the UNSC, where US representative Edward Snowden votes to institute the war crimes tribunal and trusteeship for successor states.
European vassals are really sad bunch of USian asshats.
LAVROV IS TOO WILY TO PULL A tom Clancy-tier stunt.
Ron, sadly you’re right as usual. The West is so hard headed, that only something like you suggested would send a real message. The strike would have to happen on Western soil for people to get the hint. Real shock and awe all over Western news outlets. At this point I’d assume that the Kremlin already has plans for something like this and is working on the timing if (and most likely) needed. The Empire of Lies will eventually collapse on itself and the rest of the world must prepare for the event.
Re: Oreshnik ~~ a nuke. E=(m v^2)/2 says Mach ~8 makes the RV kinetic energy the same as its weight of TNT. But nukes are 4 orders of magnitude more powerful than TNT.
Ron, I have great appreciation for your tireless efforts to unearth and spread the truth, and I fully understand your frustration with current events. But – be careful – don’t let the empire accuse you of sedition.
The article is based upon improper geo economic and political premises unable to cognize the battlefield from a higher perspective necessary to understanding that the British Empire’s post World War II Rules Based Order, of which NATO is a part, and where the United States has been baited into being the military muscle to further the British monetarism of the City of London/Wall Street axis.
Russia, China and Iran are the main enemies of British monetarism because they are the most important players in the anti-imperialistic New Silk Road and Belt and Road initiatives, upon LaRouche’s Westphalian and American System of Economics strategic flanking invitation against the bankrupt west, declined by the west until the advent of Trump, who has the potential to work with Putin and Xi in a manner that is freaking the British/Globalist war party out who want perpetual war and are behind all the wars around the world.
https://www.prometheanaction.com/the-midweek-update-british-royal-gambit-backfires-how-king-charles-risks-wwiii-to-stop-trumps-economic-revolution-june-4-2025/
https://www.prometheanaction.com/the-monday-brief-trump-putins-secret-peace-plan-how-theyre-wrecking-the-british-war-machine-june-23-2025/
https://www.prometheanaction.com/the-saturday-wrap-up-trumps-triple-knockout-shocks-globalists-iran-disarmed-courts-crushed-nyc-socialist-exposed-june-28-2025/
Interesting, Mossad had 🇺🇦 SBU working inside Iran as part of a regime-change operation.
That’s a good idea. Deal with the mafia operatives directly using the same methods as they do.
The lads at MI6 won’t be expecting that – and it’s deniable.
The entrance fee for Zionist influence expansion into East Asia is through Russia. The trick is to remove popular Putin and replace him with a traitor to the Motherland. Say what you will about Vladimir, he is not a friend at all by Jewish standards.
Jun 28, 2025 Putin: I Have Great Respect for Trump and Believe He Truly Wants Peace in Ukraine – EAEU Summit 2025
Russian President Vladimir Putin answers questions to members of Russia’s media following the Eurasia Economic Union Summit in Minsk, Belarus.
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Apr 28, 2025 NATO Military Train with British Mercenaries and AIM-120 AMRAAM Missiles on BOARD was Blown To BITS
It is noteworthy that Vladimir Putin’s words about the negative consequences for the Ukrainian Army in other directions of the front have already begun to come true. So a few hours ago, military correspondents reported on the Russian Army’s serious success in the Pokrovsk direction of the front.
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A super great , yet restrained article. One subsidiary comment: my hypothesis is that Donald is a braggart and a blowhard who has no military or foreign affairs experience and that he would make a totally incompetent War President.
Simplicius’ latest article gives the percentages or Ukrainian fatalites from different Russian weapons systems. The most effective weapons by far are FPV drones, and of these, 65% hit supply and support on roads 3-20km behind the front ( the other 35% in fixed positions).
The conclusión seems to be that Ukrainian military is being mostly degraded on its supply, support and rotation.
‘America and its close allies possess overwhelming dominance over the global media, allowing them to shape the perceived reality of much of the world’s population, ruling elites included.’ — Ron Unz
It’s a subject for another article — but the issue of who runs the global media is of essential importance.
And judging from the US media, the crown jewel of the global media wolfpack, we can be very specific about who owns it, who manages it, and who staffs it. It don’t look like America.
Which brings up a slight lacuna in Ron Unz’s logic. Why should Russia bomb NATO headquarters, when it could instead destroy the BBC, to cheers of gratitude from millions?
It’s hard for me to believe this drone attack was not carried out with significant aide from within Russia. I don’t know anything about these drones, but how did they all get out of containment roughly simultaneously in order to self activate? There must have been some internal coordination involved. There are many dissidents within Russia. Remember those tzakhis or whatever who did the terror attack on the concert goers? I suspect this attack was partly an inside job.
Talking about a warped reality there’s this video from Pierce Morgan with I don’t know anymore, was it Tucker Carlson?
(After the drone attack on strategic bombers)
– Russia could use nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
Pierce: Why would Putin do that? Then he’s dead.
– Why?
Pierce: We would nuke Russia in response.
– We wouldn’t. Why would we nuke Russia over Ukraine? Then Russia will vaporize us all.
Pierce: Yes, but Putin will be dead. He’s not going to use nuclear weapons.
The conversation went something like that. In our western mind the idea that we would be killed doesn’t come to mind. Watching this conversation is surreal. I truly start to believe that the western elite don’t think nuclear war is that bad. Some actually came out and said that.
Other then that I also believe Russia should response more fierce. The west will never stop. The short explanation is that western elites are mentally ill. Maybe Putin understand and that makes it so hard. Before you know they blow up the world in their own twisted reality. Maybe biggest fear is what they will do when Ukraine collapse, I fear the worst.
Iran never proposed attacking and destroying a highly symbolical Israeli target. Part of the problem may be also that there isn’t any publicly known Tsahal or Mossad building that would be undeniably recognizable as such by the global population. Last, Iranian missile technology has greatly improved and became world-class, but the Russians are absolute leaders in this.
NATO, on the other hand, has its well-known headquarters in an European capital, which makes any attack against it impossible to hide or even downplay. It would be an absolute catastrophe for NATO. But I highly doubt Russians will ever do this, it is most likely they all of a sudden launch full nuclear attacks against NATO, than performing such a publicity stunt.
That is true. Engels, the most important base of the Russian strategic bombers’ fleet, was not attacked (we don’t know if the US did not authorize an attack against it, or if Russian defenses are better there and managed to shoot down all drones). It is there that Russia has its more advanced and capable nuclear bombers, the supersonic Tu-160, so there were no damages or losses of this model.
Eventually, all dissidents have to flee the long arm of the Deep State. Moscow is full of them. Luckily, I’m not public or prominent enough to get caught up in their web. I’m definitely heading back to Russia ASAP and permanently.
‘Ian Flemings’s novel Goldfinger has a plot to freeze the Fort Knox gold reserve.’ — Midwest peasant
Time, and the bullion, have moved on. In all likelihood, Fort Knox is just an empty building now.
It’s a valid assumption until proven otherwise, such as by an audit. But there hasn’t been an audit in decades.
What do they have to hide?
Well, count me skeptical. All the pro-Russia pundits do say that Ukraine’s army is on the verge of collapse, but most of them were saying the same thing one year ago and two years ago and even three years ago. Maybe at some point they’ll be correct, but I really do wonder. Because of drone warfare, the front lines have barely moved in three years.
Similarly, lots of experts have been also predicting the collapse of NATO for several years, and I certainly did as well, but the most recent public summit hardly gives any indication of that. Since I hate for my predictions to be wrong, I’ve suggested a reasonable way of giving NATO’s collapse a major “nudge.”
Meanwhile, the provocations of the West have steadily become bolder and more reckless, certainly suggesting that they (in my opinion wrongly) believe that Russia is very weak. Attacks on Russia’s nuclear triad and attempts to assassinate Putin are very serious matters, and these follow the successful assassinations of some top Russian generals and that huge terrorist attack that killed well over 100 concert-goers.
Russia seems never to have effectively retaliated for any of those previous provocations and despite all the predictions of Ritter and Doctorow, it never retaliated for the most recent ones, so the NATO leaders are just getting steadily emboldened, potentially leading to disaster.
I just don’t count drone or missile strikes against Ukrainian targets as effective retaliation. The NATO people certainly don’t seem to view it as such.
100% despite any flaws he may have, he definitely won’t sell out the Russian people to the Zionist-Globalist Cabal.
Why should Russia enter war with NATO?
Isn’t that what US wants?
How could the EU NOT end up with an Ukraine restocked with the unwanted immigrants from all the EU? And a member of NATO? And the invaluable propaganda of an aggressive Russia to use forever?
All the pundits seem not to know the EU is multiple identities and multiple power seats and multiple languages and multiple country goals? NATO even had to bribe the EU countries with the belief they would not have to contend with international corps moving in and OWNING land inside their country! And the way around that it seems is to create a new monster, not intel corps, but a new aggressive county waiting to invade and conquer!
Now I see why our newspapers were destroyed and the internet in its place: endless propaganda!
That sounds like pro-Russia spin/propaganda. For example, the Simplicius blogger seems pretty solid and he accepted that Russia had suffered a very bloody nose, losing something like 10-15% of the strategic bomber force. Nearly all of Russia’s strategic bombers are old and no longer in production.
Suppose America had its B-52s destroyed on the ground. Maybe our propagandists would point out that they were all very old.
Good article.
The Russians have done some of that. In December 2024, after Oreshnik’s debut, Putin challenged NATO to select any target in Kiev and that he would give time to put there all the best air defense systems that the West had.
AFAIK, Western reply was crickets.
It seems to me Russian leaders have incentives and constraints to go slow. Putin has to raise fertility and populate the vast Russian lands, the single task in which he is failing, while the West want to keep helping decrease Russian fertility rates. This leads to casualty-averse military strategy on the Russian part.
You also need to keep an eye in the prize. It’s a large piece of great real estate. So losing generals and airplanes is what you do as a state to gain a large piece of territory.
I’m very skeptical of this analysis, which I’ve never seen elsewhere.
Anyway, I’m not necessarily suggesting that the Russians use their new Oreshniks. Any of their other hypersonics would probably be fine, and they’ve already fired large numbers of them over the last several years so presumably NATO has already gathered all the intelligence it needs.
As for which hypersonics to use, that’s a technical questions based upon range, blast-radius, and those sorts of things. Obviously, producing a huge hole in the ground would be best for visual media reasaons, but even if they just leveled the HQ that would probably be fine.
No, not true. Tu-160 is a relatively new design, and has been modernized with new avionics and engines. Production was relaunched though it is still extremely small. And like I said in a previous comment, the base at Engels suffered no damage whatsoever.
I can’t say exactly why Putin has done nothing, but it really does make Russia look weak, which can have damaging global repercussions with regard to BRICS, the Saudis, and such.
I can’t imagine that Putin is worried about NATO “boots on the ground.” As I pointed out, their land forces are small and inexperienced, and only their air power would be significant. But once Russia used missile-strikes to destroy all their airbases, that arm would no longer be effective.
I always knew Iran was a paper tiger. But I thought Russia was stronger. Now world Jewry is salivating at its collapse.They are making it clear that they do not fear any nuclear arsenal.
Ukraine may very well become a nuclear power run by Jews indefinitely.
Unless Russia does what Scott Ritter says, I don’t think Putin or the Russian Federation will survive. China and Ukraine will split it in two. A new Iron Curtain.
I am speculating of course.
Putin made clear… in 2010(?)… when he announced the new hyper-sonic non-ballistic missiles… that the $trillions spent by the West’s anti-ballistic defense systems… were a complete waste of money… nothing but an evil form of social spending… to prop up the West’s 5%’s asset values. He gave a speech (2010?)… explaining to the West what the English word ‘ballistic’ means… single ‘path’ from launch to target… how intercepting ballistic missiles is easy… but the new non-ballistic hyper-sonics… which shuck and jive… are comparatively unstoppable.
That was 15 years ago (?)… perhaps the last chance the West had… to redirect its $trillions to start building and maintaining its ‘infrastructure’… to start addressing the West’s real problem… competing with the likes of China… all the things that would have to be done to MAGA… starting with stopping the ‘healthcare extortion’… and ‘educating our children’.
Again… that was 15 years ago… when the Russians made clear… their investment in ‘offensive’ capabilities… had fully trumped the West’s ‘defensive’ (i.e. self-destructive looting) capabilities. We now see that Iran did the exact same thing… instead of wasting money on defensive capabilities… they produced HUGE numbers of offensive non-ballistic missiles… an obviously better strategy… i.e. Israel will burn long before it can ‘defend’ itself? This was well understood 25 years ago… when the Russians started developing the hyper-sonics… and before the U.S. started increasing its federal debt from $6T (as Bush took office)… to today’s $36T+… a $30T increase… the equivalent of $400K per American household of four ($30T / 300M * 4)… enough for every American family to buy/build a fancy new house… and, when adding the corporate/private debts… amounts to almost $1M per American household of four.
But still… Americans haven’t even started to talk/think about these things… tra-la-la la-la la-la…
First the Oreshnik. There was dispute among TUR commenters when it was deployed.
It’s increased velocity, its ‘kinetic’ energy, doesn’t mean it approaches a nuclear blast in destructiveness. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. If it did we would have seen that in the area where it impacted. We did not. Why not? Because its destructiveness comes nowhere near that of a nuclear blast. Like any other missile its destructiveness depends on its load.
Then the mind control media.
If the mind control media is the crux of the problem, names should be named. Who holds the reins? That is where we should begin.
Then the people, the Europeans and the Americans. There simply is no excuse for their gullibility, for their willful ignorance. To paint them as helpless pawns reeks of Flip Wilson and ‘The devil made me do it’: ‘The media made me believe it.’
We all understand the reasons for Putin’s slo-mo SMO. They were commendable. But they were wrong. Paul Craig Roberts pointed that out from the very beginning. So did any number of Russian authorities. They’re still pointing it out.
The correct strategy now, after the attack on Russia’s nuclear triad and the assassination attempt on Putin, is to nuke Kiev.
As for an Oreshnik on NATO headquarters, forget it. The mind control media could conceal it completely from the public. Yes, Europeans and Americans are that stupid.
If the West’s mind control media cannot be decapitated, why not just go in for the kill and be done with it?
I commented once that to win a modern war you have to kill thousands of civilians, tens of thousands. Well, make that hundreds of thousands. Make that millions.
That’s just the way it is. Deal with it.
I strongly disagree. As I’ve said, pro-Russian pundits have been claiming for more than three years that the Ukrainian lines were about to collapse and nothing has ever happened. That, plus Western media power, has therefore successfully portrayed the Russians as weak, with damaging global consequences.
And if Russia doesn’t strongly retaliate to a blatant assassination attempt against Putin, such suggestions of extreme weakness are hardly unreasonable.
Although it might sound strange, my argument is that NATO actually represents the “soft underbelly” of the Ukrainian state and its military rather than the other way round.
I’m suggesting that it’s probably quicker and easier for Russia to shatter NATO and cause its collapse than to defeat the Ukrainian army on the battlefield. And once NATO collapsed, the Ukrainians would almost certainly have to surrender.
Now as I’ve emphasized, I’m not a technical expert, so I’m assuming that Russia’s hypersonics are just as unstoppable as everyone seems to say, and that at least some of the them would have the right blast-radius to destroy the NATO HQ without inflicting too much nearby collateral damage.
It’s certainly possible that hypersonics might be much easier to shoot down if the defenders know exactly where they’re going, e.g. the NATO HQ. But even if that were the case, the Russians could just fire a half-dozen of them, which would certainly be worth it given the geostrategic value of the target.
Maybe the Patriots and the THAADs that NATO would deploy would shoot down some of them, but I doubt they’d get them all. Worst comes to worst, the Russians just fire another half-dozen, so the NATO HQ gets destroyed at 12:15pm rather than 12 noon. Big deal!
The key point is the global media impact would be gigantic and suddenly NATO would look extremely weak. And if NATO collapses, Japan and maybe Taiwan and South Korea would probably also shift away from the US, so the total result would be the disappearance of 60-70% of the power of “the American Empire.”
This article assumes that it is true that only Russia has hypersonic missiles, and that the West does not have hypersonics that are capable of carrying out missile defense against Russian hypersonics. I assume that everything we are told about American capabilities is untrue.
Russia is wise to avoid any kind of direct confrontation with NATO/US. If it were possible to cultivate a relationship with a hostile country bordering the U.S., i.e. Mexico, this would be a good strategy. But it seems impossible for Russia to get out of Mexico anything like the kinetic hostility that the U.S. has cultivated in Ukraine.
The strategy that was most successful was Russia’s information war against the U.S., which managed to win over huge numbers of conservative Americans to the Russia side. It was this successful information war which prompted the NATO/US cultivation of hostilities in Ukraine.
The best thing for Russia to do in my opinion would be to fake the assassination of Vladimir Putin, announce the presence of a new government friendly to the West, cease hostilities in Ukraine…. but then blame the assassination on hostile Western or even Israeli agents, and then ramp up the information war against the U.S. and the West. Russia should further and very carefully cultivate “anti-Semitic” themes, further weakening cohesion in the Jewish-dominated milieu of U.S. leadership. They should draw attention to how great the disparity is between Jewish wealth in the United States and non-Jewish wealth, and how the “Weimar conditions” in the United States call for the emergence of strong non-Jewish, white leadership here. They should emphasize that it is in the best interest of the U.S. to completely withdraw support for Israel, abandoning the whining and manipulative Jewish population of the U.S. and Israel to their own resources. Since all of these trends are already happening, since they constitute the natural and organic development of U.. policy and U.S. history, Russia does not need to do anything, really.
Overweight, gender dysphoric NATO troops cannot handle a ground war, but more to the point, psychologically deracinated Shabbos-goy style U.S. “conservatives” cannot comprehend the fact that their country has been dominated by Jews, exactly as many early 20th century political prophets predicated. As this realization slowly dawns on the intellectually and psychologically weakened U.S. population, the U.S. will be ground down into psychological paralysis on its own accord. The hordes of braying and bleating bovine minorities will do the rest, as they turn the U.S. away from its support for the psychotic Jewish Biblical theme park in the Middle East (where the Jews act out their revenge fantasies against the Goyim). This brown flood will focus the efforts of the U.S. military on the U.S. Homeland, where the goal will be to dethrone white privilege and beating “white swords into brown ploughshares.” The once formidable U.S. Marine will then be the target of attacks from the mezclado of the global genetic gutter, and the U.S. will fragment politically as it has already fragmented culturally. Again, in all this, Russia needs to do nothing; just sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch this modern Babylon-America collapse to the ground. Perhaps, the “Medes” will play some role in the collapse of America-Babylon as they did in the ancient case, with a covertly deployed Iranian ballistic or two hitting NYC right where it hurts. But again, this would all be lagniappe, icing, superfluity. The cake itself is just America with its unstable doctrine of racial multiplicity and its Jew-domination playing the decisive role in the collapse of American power which, as someone said in the winter and spring of 1945 from a certain bunker in central Europe, would “provide an opening to the Yellow Races.”
How many lies have we absorbed as “true facts” over our lives? I suspect well over 50% of what we “know” as true consists mostly of lies. I find it interesting how dearly people hang onto what seem like obvious lies and the viciousness of their responses to any questioning of their beliefs. As an example that almost everyone, including obviously smart people like Mr. Unz, would cling dearly to and mock anyone questioning it, do we live on a spinning ball and orbit a much, much larger sun, or do our senses tell us the truth that the Earth does not move and that a tiny sun moves overhead? If we live on a spinning ball, why can’t we duplicate the spinning ball holding oceans in a lab? When I pour water on a ball, it slides right off. Obviously, another crackpot Flat Earther.
No, not like our pitiful western leaders.
I suggest the far better target for a single strike by hypersonic missile…
Netanyahu.
Roughly within the span of year 2024, the entire Southern Donetsk front collapsed for Ukraine. I am talking the defensive strongholds encompassing the arch from Avdivka to Marinka to Ugledar to Velika Novosilka. Basically the front there moved from initially being just at the outskirts of the city of Donetsk, to by now being located at the Western Donbas town of Pokrovsk, up to the border with the Dnepropetrovsk Oblast, and beyond. Dnepropetrovsk region is largely open fields with little in terms of the fortifications that the urban and mining district of Donbas could sport.
During 2025, we have so far observed, mainly:
– the final destruction of the Ukrainian expedition in Kursk;
– the starting of encirclement operations around the next stronghold in Donbas which is Kostantinovka.
– There have also been progress in the secondary northern sector front, with Russian troops crossing the Oskil river and establishing solid positions just north of the besieged city of Kupiansk.
– Finally things are moving just north of Bakhmut, where Russians have resumed advances towards Seversk after having been checked there since Summer 2022.
At this pace, the Ukrainians will be pushed out of the Donbas in 2 or 3 years. But their armed forces will probably internally collapse before that.
Putin already offered to test the Oreshnik against NATO targets and NATO declined.
That aside, perhaps there is some Jewry going on here. Of course many of Biden’s and Trump’s State Department appointees are Jewish and Putin himself has strong ties to Israel and to Russian Jewish rabbis and zionist oligarchs, one of whom reports directly to Rothchild Bank. In fact, much like Trump, Putin flaunts these Jewish ties. Perhaps his wealthy benefactors do not want one of the major homes of Ashkenazi Jews to be obliterated.
If Russia doesn’t do something effective, they will fall under jewish tyranny like the rest of us
Hate to break it to you, but America has always been like this
Go back to the 1950s, an era so many in the US remember or think of fondly. It was also a decade when the US murdered 1 in 5 North Koreans, 2,200,000 in total, 800,000 of them children:
“Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,” Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, told the Office of Air Force History in 1984. Dean Rusk, a supporter of the war and later secretary of state, said the United States bombed “everything that moved in North Korea, every brick standing on top of another.”
After running low on urban targets, U.S. bombers destroyed hydroelectric and irrigation dams in the later stages of the war, flooding farmland and destroying crops.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-to-most-americans-the-us-totally-destroyed-north-korea-once-before-1.3227633
—-North Koreans know full well why they sacrificed so much to build nuclear weapons. They’ve known for 80 years what America really is.
You may be skeptical, but if Russia were to follow your military strategy it would be inviting a thermonuclear first strike response from the British/Globalist War Party who does have sociopaths willing to push the button.
Putin does not need to go to such extremes when the coke snorting bankers boys will continue to make blunders under what is Russia’s immediate sphere of concern, i.e. the Ukraine, and the so called “sanctions” have only served to strength Russia’s independence from the bankrupt west.
Again the bigger strategic picture, and as Putin has identified, is the British, and thus the British/Venetian imperial order of the bankrupt City of London and Wall Street and the several quadrillion dollars in derivatives debt that is pushing war and which is violently opposed to the New Silk Road based upon LaRouche’s flanking strategy based on a Westphalian perspective and the American System of Physical Political Economy
Typo:
producing huge causalities on both sides –> producing huge casualties on both sides
My guess is that Putin (in consultation with China’s X Jinping) is intentionally prolonging the war in Ukraine in an effort to bleed the collective West of what little social and economic strength it has left via a sort of long-term proxy war in reverse.
Resulting in eastern Europe and all of southeast Asia (including Tiawan) voluntarily coming to depend on Russia and China for their survival and economic well-being.
Regarding “boots on the ground”… didn’t the jihadis have a (Trump…) Hooooge success in Syria (and MANY other places)? Prior to the Syrian success… there must have many 10s of thousands of them. Surely a “Hooooge” number of new recruits are being routed to Syria? Why wouldn’t there be 100s of thousands of them soon… to be directed north through the Caucuses to Russia’s ‘underbelly’… and east to Iran’s ‘less-supportive’ regions?
Why is no one talking about the jihadis… who have played a central role in everything… as far back as the mujahedeen is 80s Afghanistan/Iraq and 90s bombing of Iraq and Yugoslavia? Surely there will many 100s of thousands of them soon? How will that figure into coming events?
For almost the entirety of the 21st century, one of my hobbies has been trying to read between the lines of war time propaganda in a similar way to how Vito and Michael Corleone attempted to read their adversaries to determine what the truth actually was and not take information at face value. This hobby has left my head spinning and also left me with mental exhaustion.
It was actually a good idea to make the gold radioactive. The radioactivity doesn’t actually matter in practical terms since the gold is simply a hedge and never goes into circulation (ideally). Since the gold is radioactive, no one wants to steal it!
Go Pussy…Galore!
Runz fancies himself a geopolitical actor and now advisor to NATO. What a joke! Your idea is ridiculous. The moment the Russians announce such a plan NATO has every excuse to drop a nuke on the Kremlin. You are proof of the adage:
There are three types of people. Those who read the news. Those who write the news. Those who are the news.
Stick to writing about history after the fact. You can analyze the actions of Great Men leaving their mark on the world.
The UNZ sees the future world war as more or less a repeat of the first or second world wars. However, the current situation differs significantly from those earlier conflicts. A more likely scenario is a contained war that will end once one of the two main camps—the Western, dollar-centric bloc led by the US versus the multipolar bloc led by Russia and China—gains control over Middle Eastern energy resources. Thus, the focus of the war will be in and around the Persian Gulf, determining who controls the future energy system. This maybe the only plausible scenario where direct nuclear exchanges involving major powers is avoided.
In the not-too-distant future, due to the increasing unlawful behavior of the dollar camp, Russia and China will be forced to take drastic measures. One such measure could be supplying Iran with advanced military technology, including tactical nuclear weapons, as a deterrent against the disruption of energy trade to Western destinations. Tehran could easily close the Strait of Hormuz and maintain that blockade with minimal military effort. Nuclear weapons would only be used to deter the enemy from escalating the conflict.
Within less than a month of such a blockade, the fragile Western financial system would implode. This would be the moment when the English-speaking world, along with their European allies, realizes that their once-beneficial relationship with a Zionist-minded Jewish minority group—the main architects of their financial system—has run its course. The alliance, which began around the end of WWI between the Anglosphere and Zionist Jewish elites, would have reached its expiry date, leading the West to abandon Israel as it no longer serves their interests.
A new world order will emerge, led by the BRICS+ nations, with an entirely new global currency. The West will gradually be absorbed into this arrangement. The US will abandon the current Federal Reserve scheme, replacing it with a fully government-controlled public banking institution. Thus, the future belongs to BRICS.
My guess is that Putin (in consultation with China’s X Jinping) is intentionally prolonging the war in Ukraine in an effort to bleed the collective West of what little social and economic strength it has left via a sort of long-term proxy war in reverse.
The 4d chess explanation. The glory of using T-55s with chicken wire in battle is all part of grand plan to foil the West. Right.
Putin clearly didn’t plan on a long war given his failed attempt at taking Kiev. Which means what you see is not the main plan.
America has actually profited from the war. The US is now the #1 exporter of LNG. Basically our LNG is going to Europe and being sold at a much higher price. American defense companies have had windfall profits from not just Ukraine aid but increased sales from NATO countries. Putin’s war along with Trump has successfully pressured them into increasing military spending. Well a lot of that goes to US defense companies. HIMARS is backordered for over 10 years.
So this idea of Putin playing some type of 4d chess against everyone just doesn’t add up.
America will most likely exit the war as an economic winner while other countries like Germany will lose as they were dependent on Russian gas.
It really depends on the country. It isn’t 4d chess if your grand plan helps some of your enemies.
Ron,
The COVID bioweapon attack (and mRNA follow up attack?) probably changed the 21st century MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) calculus amongst the Superpowers and wannabes. I have not seen much written about this mixture of MAD weapons but surely the practical implications were written about in the 1970’s when nuclear weapons, bioweapons and chemical weapons (nerve gas) were very much in play. Maybe we should dust off some of the old policy papers and scenarios. The contemporary reality of bioweapons (and cyber weapons) may influence Russian nuclear posture more than we realize.
I think Mr. Unz’s idea for an hypersonic, non-nuclear attack on NATO HQ – with three days of warning, is a very good strategy. No casualties, a smoking hole where the HQ used to be and the proof of the utterly fallible western air defence would start to make the movers and shakers in western capitals to think a lot more rationally.
Russia’s superior numbers in strategic ballistic nuclear weapons *should* make the US think awfully hard about resorting to a nuclear response. A successful Russian strike would, IMO be the final nail in a NATO coffin that should’ve been buried when the Warsaw Pact disintegrated.
Mr. Unz is correct that in all the relevant numbers, the EU has a serious advantage. It would take time however, to bring this advantage to fruition. Time that could be used to rationalize a new arrangement. Regardless of EU intractability – and american – Russia will maintain a nuclear deterrent deadly to the continued existence of both the EU and america (and likely, the rest of the world).
america and the EU should come to their senses and see that Russia cannot be subdued. Endeavouring to do so simply leads to planetary destruction. Is that worth proclaiming ‘WE WON’?
The most striking feature of the Russian campaign in the SMO is the minimization of Ukrainian civilian casualties, even at the cost of higher Russian troop deaths.
My impression from the recent reports on Russian strikes has been of increased civilian casualties, though so far these deaths are still small in number considering the scale of the missiles involved. This is the major change I see after the Western drone attack on the strategic bombers. Russia is showing that it has finite patience for Ukrainian political stupidity and will eventually do what it takes to drive out NATO influence entirely. This was a major shift in the Russian speaking world (between Moscow and Kiev) and may be more important than we realize. It is a reminder that Ukrainian civilians will eventually be held accountable for the foreign parasite they decided to accept. Not accountable in a personally vindictive sense, simply that they are at risk of dying during the delousing process.
I’ve been waiting and hoping for that deft Russian response now for three years, hasn’t happened yet. Red lines have been crossed, over and over again and nothing. Maybe one day.
Instead of NATO HQ, how about using the same tactics – advanced warning and hypersonic weapons – against a military base such as Ramstein Air Base in Germany?
Wouldn’t attacking NATO’s largest European air base have an equivalent effect while leaving no possibility of NATO arguing that Russia had attacked anything other than a military target?
Solid piece, and still an interesting idea Ron.
Although, I’d suggest one variation- Instead of NATO HQ, do the new, “largest NATO base in Europe”, still under construction in Romania. It’s being purpose built to intimidate/attack Russia, and it’s a wholly military target, that nobody can claim is “an attack on civilians, or civilian infrastructure”. A nuanced point for sure, but it would also serve both tactical and strategic purposes.
https://www.newsweek.com/nato-builds-largest-europe-base-black-sea-romania-1880210
Luckily for the world, Putin is unemotional, methodical, calculating, quite reasonable, and not prone to rash, brash, or irresponsible behavior. He’s a better man than me, because I would have responded much more aggressively already!
Good point.
I never liked religious proselytizing that is unasked or not patronized. Advocating the study of Buddha and His Teachings is another matter, as the basis and firmament are a vector upon which to follow, not some anthropomorphic human form. Your Christianity is inferior to Eastern Orthodoxy, across the board.
The ‘alliance’ has not served the interests of the ‘Anglosphere’ since before WWI, where England and Germany would have made peace, but for these Jewish fiends.
Rather, Zionist Jews have gained control, (by hook and crook, blackmail and bribery), of the Anglosphere, and have been using that control to use the Anglosphere as their Janissarys to wage wars all over the planet in slavish fealty to ZOG.
You seem to think the control these Jews have over the governments of the West, is somehow consensual. And that as soon as the elites of the West decide it’s inconvenient for them, they’ll just tell the Jews to pound sand. But the unfortunate truth is, that every last Westerner with a shred of integrity or affection for their own people and nations, have long ago been routed out of all the halls of power in the Western world. To the point that now as the people are desperate to elect populous leaders who’ll rein in the criminally insane Jewish-led regimes, ZOG simply proclaims these populous movements and politicians illegal. Such is the iron control ZOG has over the dying West.
That sound wonderful! But it won’t happen until ZOG has exhausted every last weapon in its arsenal, including nuclear. They’ll blow the planet up, before they’ll relinquish control – to BRICS or anyone else.
Tell me, which country would survive an unprovoked war if its entire military leadership was assassinated before the first bomb dropped? Iran not only survived US-Zionist aggression, but it also defeated them.
All good things come to an end.
Russia is currently capturing city after city in the Ukraine with Ukraine’s army on the verge of collapse.
City after city, eh?
I like how you got 3 agrees for your comment and yet you didn’t name a single city. It’s more like small town small after town after throwing a thousand men at drones. That is what the war currently looks like. Russia uses 2 week conscripts on motorcycles in meat wave attacks to capture small amounts of territory.
Kharkiv is 30 minutes from the Russian border and is still in Ukrainian hands. What is your excuse for that city remaining untouched? They’re not even in Russian shelling range. 30 minutes away.
The Nazis took all of Ukraine in a couple months.
Here is a live camera of Kharkiv:
https://webcam.scs.com.ua/en/europe/ukraine/kharkov/
They’re business as usual.
They should continue to focus on that success and in the long term BRICS and de-dollarization will lead to the continued decline of the EU and the US empire.
What makes you think this war will be some type of economic win for Russia? They already had vast amounts of undeveloped land. Russians are currently having a hard time affording potatoes:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/potato-price-surge-fuels-inflation-pain-russias-poorest-2025-06-10/
What the war looks like and what about 4-5 pro-Russian bloggers want this war to look like have been separate from the beginning. As a reminder both MacGregor and Ritter declared the war to be over in 2022. They both said that Ukraine was out of men and should completely surrender. Now they tell us that Ukraine is about to collapse and needs to give land to Russia to end the war. So they went from telling us that Ukraine won’t exist to Ukraine will exist but they need to submit to Putin before they collapse….again. I fail to see why so many here correctly apply skepticism to MSM pundits but when it comes to MacGregor/Ritter/Martyanov/Duran they are treated like sacred prophets that should never be questioned. It just leads to the same mindless conformity that rots the MSM. Are we talking about reality on the ground or what some biased pundits want us to believe?
The one downside to consider is that the ‘Western’, meaning WASP or if you prefer Anglo-Zionist, media power can get so deeply buried in people that nothing changes, no matter the warnings. The Irish Republican Army always wanted, and the media always continued to lie and the masses always saw the English as perpetually poor innocent victims being bullied by evil terrorists who just liked killing innocent civilians.
So when you give warning before making strong point to EWASAP empire, you must know that the media of WASP empire is well prepared to make you out to be the worst liar in history. Lost of ordinary fools will swallow all the lies.
no
the ‘Square Mile’ / ‘City of London’
the snake pit of ZOG
get every non-ZOG aligned nation on earth’s best minds to collaborate with all their best weapons experts to leave a smoking hole in the earth a mile wide and a mile deep, right in the bowels of Rothschild’s snake pit.
That’s the solution to what ails this world.
These are very difficult questions, but if the US is engaged in the Middle East and wants to redirect towards China + the rest of NATO are running around like headless chickens + Russia is (slowly and painfully) winning on the battlefield then maybe better to not to give the Western media their Big Uniting Mobilizing Event.
Just an opinion among others.
Isn’t that a demonstration of the very Russian weakness in which you say the West wrongly believes? After all, we’re talking about a military which trumpeted its ability to take Kiev in three days, but has been unable to take Kharkov, a city only twenty miles from its own border, in three years. That fact alone tells you everything you need to know about Putin’s ability to threaten Poland, Lithuaina, Estonia, and so on. Moreover, Russia’s military command is hopelessly corrupt and the majority of its conventional arms have been aptly described as little more than ‘strategic scrap metal.’ It seems that, like Israel, there is a great hollow in the middle of Russia’s strategic capabilities. At one end, it can reach across the world and covertly eliminate its enemies with novichok. At the other, it has an unmatched nuclear arsenal. But in between, it doesn’t seem to be up to all that much.
The notion that hitting Brussels with an Oreshnik would cause an existential crisis for NATO seems far-fetched to me. On the contrary, it’s exactly the sort of thing which NATO and its pliant Western media machine would spin to show the world how urgently NATO is needed, because of the terrible Russian threat. Such an attack would be their greatest opportunity since the fall of the Soviet Union to supercharge Western military spending and to actually inflict a military defeat on Russia in the name of self-defence. Since Russia cannot defeat Ukraine on the battlefield, it obviously cannot defeat NATO there either. For that reason, like its nuclear arsenal, as things stand the Oreshnik is a purely defensive weapon with no offensive strategic potential.
To understand NATO, you have to understand the EU. The real war is Western Finance Capital, vs BRICs sovereign capital (industrial capitalism). French and German “hidden finance capital puppeteers” maneuver the ECB, which has influence on NATO, which is conveniently located in Brussels.
All private bankers (often Jewish internationalists) need an army, to then collect on their foreign debts, or impose new foreign debts. Russia learned this the hard way in the 90’s as they were impaled on dollar and euro debt hooks. ECB’s NATO army is also to protect their foreign holdings and gain takings. To reiterate: All private banking corporations are internationalists, and they must have an army.
With corporatocracy (rule by corporations), there is no discernment about sordid gain taking. It is only about profit taking.
For example: Greek IMF and ECB loans starting in 2010, were attached to the Greek people, while the Euros created at debt, went on to bailout Germans residing in Germany. Greece also had to pledge strategic national assets such as airports.
The EU hidden structure can be deciphered by looking at its ownership. Both ECB and NATO center on Brussels, and is a careful construct designed to divest European people of their sovereignty.
Which European Central Banks have joint stock ownership?
• Belgium: The National Bank of Belgium’s shares are publicly traded on the stock exchange, with around half held by the government and the remainder largely by private individuals.
• Greece: The shares of the Bank of Greece are also publicly traded on the stock exchange.
• Switzerland: The Swiss National Bank (SNB) is a joint-stock company with shares listed on the stock exchange. About 55% of its shares are held by public shareholders (cantons, cantonal banks, etc.), while the rest are mainly owned by private persons.
Which European central banks are independent of state authority?
The Banque de France is independent of the French state, as well as of the banks and insurance companies it oversees. The French central bank, Banque de France, became independent with the Law of 4 August 1993
Is the Bundesbank controlled by the German polity?
The statutory independence of the central bank guaranteed by the Bundesbank Act does not ensure that there will be no disputes between the central bank and government.
Does the Bundesbank control the ECB or the other way around?
https://www.tcd.ie/Economics/assets/pdf/SER/2012/Bundesbank.pdf
There is a vast array of literature that compares the Bundesbank and the actual ECB (notably Debrun, 2001; and Chortareas, 2003), pointing towards the fact that both institutions not only resemble each other, but are in fact ‘related’. A counter-argument to the possibility of board members being influenced by their respective governments is the theory of a ‘trickle down’ effect, in which the independent status of the ECB seeps down to the national central banks, The Student Economic Review Vol. XXVI 40 making them adverse to influence from their government (The Economist, 7-13 July, 1990
The ECB system, like the Federal Reserve, is purposefully made opaque, to then fool normies who are not inclined to look at the structure. ECB claims independence, but is influenced by privateering finance interests, not the nation-states general welfare.
Russia is not just fighting NATO; it is fighting international finance capital – the private finance Oligarchy of the west, which uses NATO as collection/enforcement army.
In addition to an army, the Corporatocracy system (which is Jewish at inception) also needs to control narratives, and does so with propaganda.
If I could offer advice to Russia: Go ahead and bomb NATO headquarters. But, simultaneously hold out an olive branch, especially to the Bundesbank. There should be backdoor communications about Germany’s position in upcoming world order emerging, which has three poles: 1) America 2) China 3) Russia
Germany and Europe are not in the discussion, and their creditor class (yes- many parasitic Jews) are nervous. They want to maintain their catbird seat.
Offer stabilization funds and lines of credit to the Bundesbank before the bombing. China can help. France is too far gone.
New? Innovative? When Ulysses and Ajax pulled it off about 3000 years ago it became known as a Trojan Horse!
Last year before Iran launched missiles at Israel they first cleared it with the Biden regime, promising to give the Israelis time to clear out of the area so there’d be no casualties.
Afterwards, although I saw reports the Israeli deep state was unnerved by Iran’s display, the media spin among US talk radio’s Israel fanboys was that the missile display was a total bust. After all, they crowed, there were zero Israeli casualties!
Russia is merely another zionist puppet and this fake Ukraine war is just another scheme to mass-murder whites on both sides.
I think Mr. Unz’s idea for an hypersonic, non-nuclear attack on NATO HQ – with three days of warning, is a very good strategy. No casualties, a smoking hole where the HQ used to be and the proof of the utterly fallible western air defence would start to make the movers and shakers in western capitals to think a lot more rationally.
No they would just respond with Tomahawks. There are over 2000 of them in Europe. We don’t know the exact number.
They would call Putin and tell him they are launching tomahawks against Russian targets in Ukraine unless they are moved back into Russia.
Trump would probably enact his original threat of loading up Ukraine with newer weapons if Putin doesn’t compromise.
Russia’s superior numbers in strategic ballistic nuclear weapons *should* make the US think awfully hard about resorting to a nuclear response.
The US would not respond with a nuclear response and MADD has existed since the 70s. Everyone loses in a nuclear exchange. Hypersonics and super torpedoes don’t change the equation. Both sides can destroy the other with a single submarine and they can’t be tracked underwater. Putin’s nuclear additions since the 90s have been pointless dick waving for the masses. His totalitarian state tv isn’t going to question him or his military spending.
America and the EU should come to their senses and see that Russia cannot be subdued.
“Russia cannot be stopped, Ukraine will not exist. There is no point in giving them aid.” – pro-Russia pundits in the first two years before changing to the position that Ukraine will exist but needs to give over the occupied territories.
But at this point it’s pointless to give them aid, is that right?
Masked Khazar, you write that as if you actually believe Apartheid Israel ever served the interests of the West.
This colonial settler state has ALWAYS been a parasite and of NO benefit whatsoever.
In fact, the relationship has been nothing but massive DOWNSIDE for the western nations.
You also seem deluded into thinking that the western leaders have the autonomy to abandon Apartheid Israel at a time of their choosing. However, the reality is that the ZOG financiers control the entirety of the western financial and political systems.
It is THEY who decide the course of foreign policy for the U.S and its snivelling vassals.
Got that Mr Masked Khazar?
Every prominent western politician got to where they are because ZOG funded them and made sure their career advanced. They did this after FIRST ensuring that these politicians were vetted for loyalty to their Talmudic masters (coupled to the fact that ZOG likely has dirt on most of these politicians – like videos of them engaged on kiddie fiddling etc).
Thereafter Khazaria 2.0 will likely be resurrected in the Ukraine.
The yids that were formerly living in Occupied Palestine will go there and live in shit-hole shtetls like their forebears did.
Absent from Mr. Unz’s list of Judge Napolitano’s regularly-appearing distinguished experts is Karen Kwiatkowski, retired USAF lieutenant colonel, who adds a unique and useful perspective.
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“Moreover, under official Russian military doctrine, any such conventional strike against the country’s nuclear arsenal could fully justify a nuclear response.”
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Which I believe shows that just having nuclear weapons is not enough to serve as a deterrent, but also the people and government having a genetic makeup which makes them willing to all die in a massive nuclear exchange. I don’t know if the Russian citizens themselves, a mix of many different races, have such genetics, but I speculate that Putin sure does not, which is why he very generously employs bluffs all the time, constantly drawing “red lines” for nuclear attack, but then doing nothing when constantly crossed. I believe that the West knows this about Putin and for this reason has no reason to hold back against Russia. Thus, the West can continue the war against Russia for decades to come crossing every “red line.” If Ukraine is completely taken over by Russia years into the future, then another East European nation, acting “alone” and not as part of NATO can take over the fight. A point may come when Russia becomes too exhausted and their citizens too tired of war, resulting in them voting for a different pro-NATO regime, or the military just overthrowing Putin or his successors. Russia could possibly also economically and/or demographically collapse. Their population could become majority Brown as Russia imports them to make up for millions of Slavs dying in the war. More Brown means more third-world-like and thus more weak, which is also part of the Western strategy against Russia.
I’ve heard some suggest that Putin should remind the West about how powerful nuclear bombs are by just detonating one in the middle of an ocean and/or detonating one on the Moon or in space, but he won’t even do that. I suppose his argument would be that for the time being, Russia can still win the war with conventional weapons, so there is no need to destroy the biosphere as yet. Perhaps this is true, for now. But what about in the long run? How many years is Russia willing to continue the fight, especially if other Eastern European nations enter the war “independently?”
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“Fortunately, President Vladimir Putin’s government consists of extremely sober-minded and level-headed individuals, and they quickly deemphasized those attacks on their nuclear deterrent, instead choosing to focus upon other Ukrainian attacks against ordinary Russian civilian targets, which they angrily condemned as blatant terrorism.”
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As a civilian myself, the idea of me getting painfully bombed or starved to death by my food supply being bombed is terrifying for me to no end. That being said, why are “civilians” and “civilian infrastructure” not allowed to be targeted in war? War is between two nations, so one nation must destroy the other nation. The entire nation is the military, since the entire nation serves to build, sustain, and fund the weapons and the citizens actually pressing the buttons on the guns and missile launchers. “Civilians” vote for the wars, and even if part of the “civilian” population didn’t want the war, they continue to contribute to the economy that is facilitating the war. So then, in theory, why are “civilian” people and assets not allowed to be attacked? The International Israelite Community understands all of this, which is why they always decimate “civilian” people and assets in wars, such as in Palestine, Iraq, Germany, and Japan. And if “civilian” people and assets were attacked, the “civilians” would think twice about being so thoughtless about supporting politicians who want war.
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“So at the time, I confidently assumed that Hersh’s revelations would soon lead to the collapse of NATO.”
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I speculate that you may be giving too much credit to Gentile voters and overestimating their intellectual and emotional abilities. The entire West is run by a single intellectually brilliant tribal elite, and they have no reason to break up their empire.
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The Russians could announce their plans for a hypersonic missile strike against the NATO headquarters building in Brussels, Belgium, with the attack scheduled for 12 noon in three days’ time.
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But didn’t the world already just witness more primitive Iranian hypersonic missiles easily penetrate Israel’s triple-layer anti-missile system and whatever anti-missile systems NATO gave to Israel? I think the world already knows that hypersonic missiles can’t be stopped. So, I would argue that this war is now in the realm of the Spirit World – and Israelite people now are not driven just by scientific reasoning, but a Spiritual belief in winning the war even if they all die in the process by destroying the biosphere in a nuclear war, as long as they take all the Russians and other Gentiles with them. The Israelites must Spiritually bring Honor to their people and ancestors by fulfilling their destiny of ruling over all the Gentiles, even if they must also all die in the process, for such a death would be more Honorable than to fail and remain alive. So, do the Russians and Putin feel the same way? My speculation is that they don’t, and thus will eventually 100% capitulate to the West.
Russia needs to respond in kind using Empire’s own treachery
subterfuge/infiltration/ trickery
attack assets through third parties everywhere empire squats
fomenting dissent amongst the populace / arming revolution\ offering terabytes of information to empire’s enemies
mining shipping lanes
I am sure as the sun will rise tomorrow there are secret weapons in Russia/ China just as scary as the the ones Uncle Shmuel is bragging about
They will reveal them at the time of their choosing
“Russia today would seem to clearly enjoy strategic military superiority over America and its NATO allies, having achieved full “escalation dominance” on both the nuclear and conventional levels.”
After a careful reading of this analysis, it seems to me that the Author’s opinions are based on what can be perhaps best summarized with the quoted statement above. In particular, as a corollary of this claim, one might attempt to conclude that the Author believes that Ukraine is somehow a tougher enemy for Russia than all of NATO.
This is an interesting proposition. And in some sense I think it was true at the beginning of the war, because Russians always believed that Ukraine is really a Russian region, and Ukrainians (perhaps with the exclusion of the nazi-loving western Ukrainians) are “Russian people”. I think this is one of the main reasons why the start of the war was so ridiculous. But whomever controls Ukraine very quickly decided to put an end that that feeling with a massacre in Bucza. Scott Ritter, however bombastic he might be, is a real investigator and I cannot question his investigative skills. Therefore when he says that he has seen a proof that the massacre in Bucza was organized by Ukrainian secret services and was performed on those residents of Bucza who showed sympathy to Russians, I tend to believe him.
I think Bucza was a turning point in the war and also a turning point in how Russians think about Ukrainians. Therefore whatever reservations against a completely open war against Ukrainians Russians might have had then, these are all gone now and Ukraine is a real enemy, not an occupied part of Russia. So in this psychological sense Ukraine is no longer a more difficult enemy than NATO countries.
So, since Ukraine entirely depends on NATO supplies and training, the only remaining argument for the Ukrainian exceptionalism is that their people are not yet completely demoralized and weakened by a western lifestyle and are willing to fight for Ukraine and lose their lives. But this again is not true. Even before the war Ukraine was recognized as the most corrupt country in Europe and one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Scenes from the “street draft”, and hundreds of thousands of military age men hiding in Poland and other countries tell a completely different story. I don’t think anyone imagines that these men who fight so hard against being drafted suddenly transform into fierce warriors willing to die for the corrupt politicians who sent them to their death.
So I think that the corollary above is clearly wrong. And since we see that Russia can’t beat Ukraine, a different corollary is true: Russia is NOT strategically superior to NATO. In any sense.
And therefore the Russian lack of response really is a show of weakness.
One of the main Russian weaknesses is their inability to control their own vast country, due in particular to their prior reliance on western technologies. There is a reason why after the Ukrainian war started, Chinese decided to replace every computer, every chip and every piece of software in their vast government-military complex. Russians don’t have such capabilities and their past reliance makes them vulnerable. So every western phone or computer still in use is a potential spying tool. Plus 17 million km^2 of land simply cannot be controlled without new technologies. That was actually the reason why Russians thought the soviet empire collapsed in the first place.
Therefore it is reasonable to assume that Russia has serious weaknesses and, unfortunately for the World, game theory dictates that these weaknesses must be exploited.
The only possible explanation why this has not happened yet – at least to the degree that we would clearly recognize (like we could in Iran) – is that the US is actually playing a bigger game, where the whole world is the enemy, including the European NATO allies.
Jewish John’s Johnson (JJJ) writes:
The few extra dollars the U.S makes in LNG sales is negated multiples times over by the COLLAPSE IN EVERY OTHER SECTOR OF THE U.S ECONOMY.
No matter what metric one applies (eg: the trade deficit blowing out, drop in GDP, increasing budget deficit, national debt, growth in the number of homeless etc), the U.S is DECLINING FAST.
This has been explained to you before JJJ, but your ADL handlers keep instructing you to repeat the same old B.S.
It is clear to all objective observers that Putin is light years ahead of the Anglo-Zionist empire with his Grand Strategy. He is bleeding the west by way of death by a thousand cuts.
He could at any time choose to conquer the entirety of Ukraine with a ‘Shock and Awe’ campaign, but he chooses not to because that will mean an escalation of casualties on both sides.
The directionless rabble (otherwise known as the Ukrainian conscript army of old men and school boys), is fast imploding (51,000 deserted last year alone and its on track to far exceed that number this year):
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/about-51000-ukrainians-have-deserted-armed-forces-this-year/
Putin does what he does because by doing so the Russians have sustained minimal casualties in relative terms (an over 10:1 kill ratio in Russia’s favour).
He is fighting asymmetric war. Which means that the enemy (the U.S and its snivelling vassals), disproportionately haemorrhages while the Russians are minimally affected in return.
And, in relation to John Johnson’s claim about HIMARS being back ordered, this may well be true.
Because all the HIMARS deployed in Ukraine has been turned into scrap iron by the Russians soon after deployment – so obviously there’s a need to order more to replace them (even though they’ve proven useless*, like the entire inventory of the military hardware the U.S manufactures).
(*Watch the short video below titled ‘Russia wiped out 100 HIMARS and NATO’s Elite’):
Video Link
You’re right about the snake pit, Rurik. Hammer a stake into the heart of the beast.
Kiev would be further down on the list, but better than nothing… and better suited to Vlad’s pussy-footing-around style.
Moscow Hitler will end his worthless life with cyanide. The troops of Moscow’s occupiers are murderers and rapists released from prison. MOSCOW NAZISM WILL BE DESTROYED.
My guess would be the Russians will play it cool & safe. – Conquer what they want of Urkaine and act low key in other areas.
No rockets to western Europe.
The most astute and obvious take. There has not been a worse “ally” for any country on Earth than the Jewnited Snakes. They and their evil (yes, evil) companions must be exterminated, for they are not humans. Ron Unz’s observation of Western peons’ complicity in the system fails to address the open consent they give to the Devil. Nobody is actually that stupid, except for the mentally disabled. Modern (((western culture))) is loud-mouthed and effeminate. That is all there is to it. Wicked bitch energy.
But that’s exactly my point—the current situation doesn’t seem very “safe” to me.
NATO has steadily escalated its involvement in the conflict until in the last month, the West tried to assassinate Putin and also launched a semi-successful attack against Russia’s nuclear deterrent, which according to official Russian doctrine could have resulted in a nuclear retaliatory strike.
The new German government initially said they would authorize Taurus missile strikes deep inside Russia, perhaps intended to destroy the Kerch bridge. The Russians threatened a major strike against Germany in retaliation.
The longer the war goes on, the greater the likelihood of some sort of catastrophic result taking place.
So I’ve provided my suggestion of the least-dangerous way that Russia might be able to quickly end the war. What’s your contrary proposal?
here’s the latest simplicius article, realize russia is becoming the foremost expert in drone warfare and out producing the ukrainians who have nothing but drones. russia’s slow go keeps russian causalities down, while grinding through three iteration of the zato ukranazi proxy.
this is also an economic war that is destroying the zato countries economies (including our own), now they’re going to jump off a financial cliff, spending 5% of their inflated gdp’s on junk weapon systems that have been proven useless and outdated in battlefield conditions. don’t make the same mistake as paul crank roberts, who completely misses the economic aspect of this war, i thought he was supposed to be an economist, he certainly isn’t a military analyst.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-62925-russia-launches-largest
I’m sure you are correct. Simplicius obviously has great sources
and likely has many layers of concealment. A very brave man.
I will encourage J. Johnson and BTDT, to use him as a reference.
If it were possible to change the US hegemon total propaganda war that has proceeded successfully since Teddy Roosevelt sent his White Fleet around the world in the first decade of the twentieth century, all the truths visited upon the families of American men killed in all its wars would have worn it down by now.
The people of the world want to believe that the USA is the promised land that can cure all their diseases and give all of them photogenic movie stars as mates. They don’t want to believe Putin when he says that Russia will fight in Ukraine for as long as it takes, with the means that it might take, to defeat, demilitarize and humiliate NATO because Russia knows that it is a war for its existence.
The people of the world don’t want to see that the USA is the real shithole country Trump talks about and would fall entirely apart if it weren’t for the unlimited debt it is determined to create.
«America and its close allies possess overwhelming dominance over the global media, allowing them to shape the perceived reality of much of the world’s population […] That sort of advance warning would attract enormous international attention and coverage, certainly becoming the world’s top news story during the several days that followed, and easily penetrating any obfuscating layers of Western media.»
There is something of a contradiction between “overwhelming dominance over the global media […] as far as I can tell, Western media mind-control has ensured that an overwhelming majority of Germans and other Europeans have still remained completely unaware of what had happened” and “easily penetrating any obfuscating layers of Western media”… 🙂
The corporate media would report the threat as “Russia guarantees that NATO HQ will never be targeted”, then in three days time NATO staff would leave the building while groups of ukrainian primary school children would be invited to tour it, and then after the RF strike happened the corporate media would report “Russia betrays guarantee never to attack NATO HQ and evilly destroys NATO HQ during school tours thus burning alive hundreds of visiting ukrainian children”. 🙂
There’s no doubt the war in Ukraine is further enriching the donor class at the expense of the middle class – or what’s left of it.
Which will lead to further impoverishment, civil unrest and eventual food riots, resulting in US troops being returned to the “homeland” to enforce martial law, followed by total economic breakdown.
The same is true for most if not all west European countries who are in worst civil and economic shape than the United States. England in particular, followed by France and Germany.
Restraint and reason do not increase with escalation,
but fear might, as we saw recently with Israel and Iran.
Your suggestion, to bring the Europeans into contact
with reality, sounds about right, and the mere mention
should get their attention.
«America and its close allies possess overwhelming dominance over the global media, allowing them to shape the perceived reality of much of the world’s population, ruling elites included.»
That “ruling elites included” is ridiculous and to me shows that our Ron Unz has no idea how things work at government and elite levels: whatever silly propaganda they speak or write the “ruling elites” have ample private means of information gathering and certainly do not rely on corporate media. An example published a while ago:
http://thesaker.is/book-excerpt-how-i-became-a-kremlin-troll-by-the-saker/$
“my military career took me from a basic training in electronic warfare, to a special unit of linguists for the General Staff of the Swiss military, to becoming a military analyst for the strategic intelligence service of Switzerland. […] By the time the war against the Serbian nation in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo broke out, I was in a unique situation: all day long I could read classified UNPROFOR and military reports about what was taking place in that region […] I was horrified to see that literally everything the media was saying was a total lie.”
«By heavily influencing the thoughts and beliefs of the individuals who control large military forces, nuclear arsenals, and vast wealth, this power of illusion can often easily overwhelm the political impact of the existing balance of physical power in the real world.»
Since these people are well informed by their own private means like their diplomatic services and their civilian and military spies they are totally cynical, under no influence and care only about that “existing balance of physical power in the real world” certainly not the illusions they feed to their subjects.
*Note*: my impression is that outside the USA the people of most countries, including most european countries, know very well that the corporate media are almost only propaganda organs and use the old method “listen to Radio Moscow to understand the USA, listen to Voice of America to understand the USSR”.
«Thus, the Western alliance has remained surprisingly cohesive and committed, adhering to policies that would seem deeply inimical to the best interests of many of its major members, who might otherwise have been expected to revoke their damaging alignment.»
That “Western alliance” is holding together for some very good “realpolitik” reasons:
* The USA have been on a big winning streak for decades and it is not ending, vassalizing or wrecking many more countries and they even got the point of attacking by proxy the core of the Russian Federation without paying a price.
* As Putin is keenly aware and has explicitly said the RF is much weaker than the USA and has to make do with bad and worse choices. Thus “the west” has no alternative option as the only possible other suzerain is the PRC which is too far away to matter.
* Nobody in “the west” wants to be sanctioned or color-revolutioned by the USA government that have lots of “stay behind” operatives in all “the west”.
* The ruling elites of the west are often “compradors” who like USA suzerainty as it guarantees their local power against rivals and “populists” or “socialists” or “communists” etc.
This said the elites of the “west” are ruthless jackals too and would turn on the USA and loot it as much as they could if it ever became weaker than them. They are just playing the game as cynically as possible with their limited resources.
The Russians could announce their plans for a hypersonic missile strike against the NATO headquarters building in Brussels, Belgium, with the attack scheduled for 12 noon in three days’ time.
NO WARNING.
Ukraine, UK, U$A, ISRAEL, France GIVE NO WARNING.
If I felt charitable, half hour.
JUN 25, 2025 Trump’s Disbanding Of A Secret “Deep State” Working Group Raises Hopes Of Peace With Russia
Reuters reported in mid-June that the Trump Administration had recently disbanded a secret inter-agency working group overseen by now-dismissed National Security Council members tasked with formulating strategies for coercing Russia into concessions to Ukraine. According to their three unnamed US official sources, Trump’s hitherto refusal to escalate American involvement in the conflict led to this initiative losing steam, though he could still potentially reverse gears in the future.
https://open.substack.com/pub/korybko/p/trumps-disbanding-of-a-secret-deep?r=h5lea&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
I completely agree that the holocaust we visited on the Korean Peninsula in the 1950’s is, somehow, little appreciated in the story of our violent 20th century. I think the statistics may be worse than you stated. I remember LeMay expressed satisfaction in having killed 10% of the entire Korean population. North or south barely made a difference in those years and would have been hard to disambiguate. It was the killing itself that brought joy to his demented mind. He talked about it in the context of his disappointment with not being able to drop nuclear weapons all over Korea and northern China. A way of consoling himself for this lost opportunity. . What was this American culture of exporting murder on these industrial scales in these decades?
I don’t see how a direct attack on NATO could ever be a climb down from the threshold of nuclear war. And, if it happened, NATO would be able to claim self-defence unequivocally so wouldn’t even have to fuel up the media mind-control machine all that much to get people to fight an already enormously-antagonised Russian foe. The average European is already convinced that Putin is a maniac who wants to restore the Soviet empire and that Ukraine is the only thing standing in his way. Missiles falling in Brussels would probably cement that impression forever.
The crucial point is surely that Russia’s hypersonic missiles are simply not viable offensive weapons. They may leave any number of Western targets utterly defenceless, but they cannot actually inflict a military defeat on the West, which is not just going to sit still and get bombarded by unstoppable missiles without retaliating. (Contrast with Iran, whose hypersonic missiles can absolutely inflict a strategic defeat on Israel as the last couple of weeks have shown)
Perhaps the idea is that Western leaders, knowing that their retaliation w0uld lead to nuclear war, would opt to cut their losses at the sight of the flattened NATO headquarters and cease all hostilities. But given that the top decision-makers are Wolfowitz-Doctrine neocons – people who are convinced there is such a thing as a ‘winnable nuclear war’ – I can’t help but severely doubt it.
That’s why it is a multi-faceted attack on Russia.
Russia would be better target ALL of NATO’s and U$A bases.
It is that serious. There is really much left of the Collective Waste to save, except perhaps Renaissance Art and ancient ruins and architecture.
People will always adapt.
The few extra dollars the U.S makes in LNG sales is negated multiples times over by the COLLAPSE IN EVERY OTHER SECTOR OF THE U.S ECONOMY.
Are you saying that Ukraine aid will crash the US economy? How would that happen when it is a fraction of the US military budget?
The US will make a profit from this war. I can show the math if you would like.
You’ll have to drop this Putin fantasy of him somehow making the US suffer economically. If anyone does that it will be Trump.
He could at any time choose to conquer the entirety of Ukraine with a ‘Shock and Awe’ campaign, but he chooses not to because that will mean an escalation of casualties on both sides.
Why does he attack Kiev if he is trying to minimize casualties? It is hundreds of miles from the front.
Massive drone strike hits Kiev (6/27/2025)
https://kyivindependent.com/kyiv-hit-by-russian-drones-and-ballistic-missiles-over-a-dozen-injured/
The directionless rabble (otherwise known as the Ukrainian conscript army of old men and school boys
Both MacGregor and Ritter made the same claim in the first year of the war.
Putin does what he does because by doing so the Russians have sustained minimal casualties in relative terms (an over 10:1 kill ratio in Russia’s favour).
10:1 eh? Not 8.5:1? What a nice round number.
And let me guesss…..no source on that, right?
Because all the HIMARS deployed in Ukraine has been turned into scrap iron by the Russians soon after deployment
HIMARS were not delivered this year and yet Funker has over a dozen videos of HIMARS attacks:
https://funker530.com/videos/all/all/date?search=HIMARS
Ukraine is most likely running low on HIMARS rockets. No worries as they have largely been using Migs with French hammer bombs on rear targets. In fact a leading Russian Zed blogger was complaining about that recently. Unlike you I can provide a source if requested. I don’t have to work from my imagination.
Watch the short video below titled ‘Russia wiped out 100 HIMARS and NATO’s Elite
And why should we believe the word of a convicted felon who used to write for Russian media and declared the war to be over in 2022? That was after he wrote a long ranting op-ed on how Russia won’t invade and it is all a CIA conspiracy. He told us it was just a training exercise on the border and to not believe the CIA. Then after the invasion he switched to his Ukraine is finished/doomed/nearly doomed/no really doomed this time rants from his bedroom. Hilarious stuff.
I’m very skeptical of this analysis, which I’ve never seen elsewhere.
Why not?
Look at the level of dehumanization that the Collective Waste is projecting around the world.
I don’t need to list them but the bottom line is that the Collective Waste does not care for humanity, and the “resolve of Israel” and the one-way sacrifice of Ukrainians illuminate the fact that it is getting very close to be a “to kill or be killed” scenario..
All the lying media will do is foment civil war in most Western Nations. But only if Russia exercises it’s escalation dominance.
Blow up NATO HQ as a demonstration by the Russians?
What if the response from Washington to Moscow is: we now are at DEFCON 1. If you do this its WW3. Since the ruling elites in the West don’t seem to fear nuclear war and believing in their own superiority they may welcome a nuclear war, Moscow would have to give due consideration to this threat. Call the US/NATO bluff and risk losing everything or climb down from their own threat with the loss of face?
There’s no doubt the war in Ukraine is further enriching the donor class at the expense of the middle class – or what’s left of it.
Yes no doubt at all. Unlike Truth_Dundee I can source my statements.
US is now the largest LNG exporter
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61683
US defense company Ratheon more than doubles profit from Ukraine war
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/raytheons-profit-more-than-doubles-as-ukraine-war-boosts-defense-budgets-11674589555
So increased profits for US gas and defense companies while poor Russians get their limbs blown off by drones. Take that America! That’s 4D DWARF CHESS!!! Now patriotic Russians please hobble home for your reward.
Which will lead to further impoverishment, civil unrest and eventual food riots, resulting in US troops being returned to the “homeland” to enforce martial law, followed by total economic breakdown.
Not seeing the connection. Civil unrest would have nothing to do with Putin’s war against his more Orthodox neighbor*.
The Ukraine aid is a breadcrumb compared to the US budget.
Our economy contracted last quarter thanks to the big hands genius and his tariffs …. followed by pauses and retractions. We also took a hit in tourism from Canada and Europe thanks to the stable genius running his mouth.
* As a reminder Russia has Europe’s largest Muslim, atheist and Ashkenazi Jewish populations. For some reason Putin’s defenders at Unz have gotten upset over posting these verifiable demographic facts
I’m sure you are correct. Simplicius obviously has great sources
and likely has many layers of concealment. A very brave man.
I will encourage J. Johnson and BTDT, to use him as a reference.
Where is the reference and how would he have access to casualty figures if both Russia and Ukraine don’t release them?
Both Ritter and MacGregor told us they had “inside sources” in the first year of the war and claimed that Ukraine is out of men.
I guess there is youtube click profit in making videos for Putin supporters where you just make up stuff like “100:1 SUPER KILL RATIOS” and they keep watching even if you were wrong a dozen times.
Then you go on Judge Nap and read a pre-written rant while he nods his head and doesn’t challenge you on your past claims. Don’t ask about why Russia is using African mercenaries, donkeys or T-55s if everything is going as planned.
So we copy the conformity of the MSM but reduce it to 4 or 5 people. Got it.
Look at these fine White Russians fighting the multi-cultural West by killing Orthodox Ukrainians.
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Related. Amazing how tiny Israel creates so much fear among authoritarian countries!
«after the Ukrainian war started, Chinese decided to replace every computer, every chip and every piece of software in their vast government-military complex. Russians don’t have such capabilities and their past reliance makes them vulnerable. So every western phone or computer still in use is a potential spying tool.»
The russian military have switched to a locally-built version of an open-access system called “Linux”. As to the hardware there is an interview with a russian minister about 5G and he said that their only choice is between USA and PRC-designed 5G and the lesser risk for them is PRC 5g-hardware.
https://www.economist.com/international/2011/04/07/something-wrong-with-our-chips-today?story_id=18527456
«IN THE 1991 Gulf war Iraq’s armed forces used American-made colour photocopiers to produce their battle plans. That was a mistake. The circuitry in some of them contained concealed transmitters that revealed their position to American electronic-warfare aircraft, making bomb and missile strikes more precise. […] (DARPA), a Pentagon outfit devoted to expanding the military’s technological abilities, will spend at least $20m this year on ways to identify rogue microchips. The Army Research Office is holding a closed conference on kill switches in mid-April. […] A European defence official says even video surveillance cameras can intercept or disrupt communications. […] Wesley Clark, a retired general who once headed NATO’s forces, says that “rampant” fears of kill switches make American-backed defence co-operation agreements a harder sell.»
«Plus 17 million km^2 of land simply cannot be controlled without new technologies.»
Most likely there are several containers/trucks inside the RF full of drones or dioxins sprayers or spy equipment and perhaps entire USA/… logistical bases. During the Yeltsin period large parts of the RF were outside government control and anything could be bought. China is also immense and hard to control so consider whether these were sending just weather data (the weather data was obviously for agricultural supply speculation):
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/01/china/china-crackdown-weather-stations-spying-intl-hnk/
“China is cracking down on weather stations it says are spying for foreign countries, the latest measure in a broad counter-espionage campaign under leader Xi Jinping amid intensifying geopolitical tensions. The country’s civilian spy agency, the Ministry of State Security, said Tuesday it had discovered hundreds of what it said were illegal meteorological stations with foreign links that were sending real-time weather data abroad – breaking data rules and posing national security risks.”
«the US is actually playing a bigger game, where the whole world is the enemy, including the European NATO allies. »
The ruling classes do not think “enemy” just “prey” and the USA ruling class include their own population under the “prey” category, never mind the ruling classes and populations the whole world.
The Russians might mostly ignore the West, go ahead in Ukraine and do whatever is necessary – and in the meantime keep an eye on BRICS.
German chancellor Friedrich Merz has now said:
1) We’ll shoot Taurus rockets inot Russia. 2) We will not shoot Taurus rockets into iussia – and then: 3) We will shoot Taurus rockets into Russia – and finally: 4) We wil NOT shoot TURUS rockests into Russia (ca, two weeks ago). Friedrich Merz even debated nuclear warfare on national TV with 10 year old kids in class – telling them they need not fear war – as he does not fear war – not even nuclear war with the Russians… – You don’t think too highly of your national public sphere after all these maneuvers – and look out desperately for a witty playwrite to sum this botched stuff up.
But practically nobody gets it in European politics: Europe does not need to be a superpower or being backed by one. It would be suffice to go neutral – like the Swiss – with a decent defensyive army.
Btw. – French President Emmanuel Macron behaved much in the same way as Friedrich Merz: Attack on Russia! – Retreat! – Attack…! – While Italy’s (at times white powdered) PM Giorgia Meloni declared Italy ‘d be much on the side of Ukraine – but has unfortunately run out of money and can’t do much about that (the sum total of Italian support being ca. 8 billion Euros – (inflation-corrected wages in Italy are ca. those of 1990 – while the debt-pile has grown…).
PS
As an aside: Comment today about the Gay Pride Parade in Budqapest/Hungary on Sunday in the German prestigious FAZ today: You – from this comment on page 1 – get the impression, European gay rights would be under serious attacks by – Victor Orban and – Warhead Vladimir Putin. – I’m not perfectly well informed about this issue but as far as gay rights in Hungary are concerned, I’d claim the FAZ is chasing ghosts.
– For whatever reason – such is the prevailing mindset in our elites. – I honestly don’t quite get what’s up. Oh – as we learned not long ago: The German government is now – however indirectly – subsidizing the economically suffering FAZ. – – – – But it can’t be that simple…
Indeed.
WW3, if it happens, will not happen because of the media, but because of the forces that control the media, the military, the economy, and the “elected” officials.
If they have determined already that it must happen, it will happen — a bit later than it would if Russia retaliated seriously, but it doesn’t look an essential point.
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What is not discussed in Western media, especially the US media, is the almost total lack of civil defence and preparedness provided for by their governments. Russia still maintains a high degree of readiness/preparedness for its citizens.
The plan in the US has for quite some time for the Criminal Elite to bug out of DC and key centres and leave the proles to their own end at the hands of “the enemies of freedom.”
For the Western Elite, killing the masses is not a bug, it is a feature. In a resource-constrained world, it is essential to leave the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians holding the bag for the mass cull the elites need to preserve their precious resources.
Great analysis by Unz followed by a truly idiotic idea to take the world even closer to the brink of WW III.
Any escalation on either side takes us closer to the edge. The question is how in hell is this happening, the US is sleepwalking us toward the end of western civilization.
But, who wants to see western civilization destroyed …. it’s not hard to figure out as they keep telling us …
There is a reason – https://old.bitchute.com/video/HW6moN2Z9C9u/
The only rational answer to how Russia can safely end the war ………… is to surrender. The west wants the war, the last thing they want is Russian surrender. There is nothing else they can do to end the war.
Excellent analysis.
“Hostile pundits initially ridiculed the Russians for parking their nuclear bombers in vulnerable open airfields, but they failed to realize that current nuclear arms treaties with the U.S. required exactly this unprotected visibility to satellites.”
How long will it take Russia and all other countries to understand that any and all treaties with the US are at best worthless and at worst a way for the US to make them vulnerable?
How did the Open Skies accord work out?
Supposedly the Russian military is advancing slowly so they can exterminate the Ukrainian military, without suffering large casualties themselves. They keep waiting to allow more Ukrainian soldiers to come up to be killed. The Russians even pull back sometimes, to lure more cannon fodder in. Perhaps they think only if the Kiev side has no soldiers left, can there be a stable peace afterwards. But I’m no expert.
An indicted Israeli war criminal will visit Washington next week, to issue fresh orders to deputy commander in chief Trump:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-netanyahu-israel-hamas-iran-858db32968941012117dfb7d391e6f3c
Sad to see a so-called superpower of 330 million residents, getting humiliated yet again by a fly-blown west Asian apartheid colony of 9 million.
MAGA USA: a cucked, dickless wonder.
News Flash!
Israel still lost and ran to Daddy to arrange a ceasefire.
I made a very similar suggestion at some sites, right at the start of the war. My suggestion was to announce the time/date that the MoD building in Kiev would be destroyed, and use a Kinzhal missile (or several) to destroy it. I thought this would be completely demoralizing for Ukraine. I got some replies along the lines of ‘why warn them?’.
If I can think of this with no political or military experience. I find it hard to believe the Russians did not. Obviously, they decided not to do it. Of course, we have 3 more years of war and escalation, so maybe it is time?
USA, er, ‘Ukraine’, has attacked Engels multiple times.
I would guess it was a no confidence thing too, radioactive gold cannot be assayed and audited. it ceases to exist.
IRL the gold prob could not be made radioactive, just the environment it exists in. but just a plot twist at the end of the book/movie.
sinking a carrier with its 5000 souls dead in the water is not a good idea, as satisfying it might be emotionally for jew haters like me.
It would be a Pearl Harbor type insult to ordinary Americans. Better to go after Nato at Brussels or some other target. Jews are losing on all political fronts…let it continue.
Ritter doubts that the Samson Option is real. The fall- out from a Samson caper would risk Israel getting all Jews killed all over the planet.
Let the slow roast, not the fast one, go on and destroy the Jews inch by inch.
We got the Jews where we want them, politically speaking. Gaza will be the death of the Jewish Power. This whole affair will also kill off MAGA and Trump and the GOP for the time being.
We will be subject to the Dems for a couple election cycles, but the national allergy to War will continue. Even the Tucker love affair with Trump will wither. Tucker is disgusting.
We are starting to win, don’t screw it up.
Russia needs to go full on in Ukraine. Finish it up.
Americans are fed up with War…a historic condition.
Joe
Gladio in the 70s, Gladio 2 in the 80s and 90s. and the various FF and hoaxes 2000 onwards.
The Vegas hoax during the first term of Orange Brandon.
The West never really invested in defensive capabilities because they’re psychopaths and they don’t care if their own population burns. They have invested into some systems to protect ships, for instance, from incoming torpedoes and the like, and those systems appear to work somewhat. But no Western population center is protected, unlike what Russia and China are doing.
That doesn’t mean they’re sitting on their hands doing nothing, they are in fact investing trillions in offensive capabilities, of which we know next to nothing. We have some glimpses of what Starlink (obviously limitary) can do, but that’s about it.
And the ‘news’ they put out is obviously propaganda. Obama announced $1.5 Trillion to ‘modernize’ USA’s nukes, and develop a ‘new’ variable-yield tactical nuke (USA has had those for decades), also a new project to replace USA’s obsolete and non-functional Minuteman III ICBMs. And then they put out some stories to the effect that they can’t design a new ICBM, and in fact can’t even build new nuclear warheads, because the workforce has aged out and the military is just a giant grift machine that can’t build anything. Then Trump announced many more Trillions of $$$ for a ‘Golden Dome’ to shower us with missile defenses.
And I suspect the real plan is more along the lines of Starlink, to have an unstoppable, fully-redundant and interconnected network of satellites, blanketing the entire Earth, that can drop a tactical nuke on any point on the planet in less than 10 minutes from the time the order is given. And I think they already have at least part of that in place, maybe a lot of it in place.
And that’s why they’ve been goading Russia into using a nuke or two in Ukraine. That’s why they attacked Iran, because they thought Iran did have nukes and would use one on Israel if attacked. Or on a US base in Qatar or Oman or wherever. They don’t care if Israel gets flattened, they don’t care if US soldiers are vaporized. Much less if Kiev is radioactive for the next 10,000 years. They don’t even care if a major US city is vaporized, in fact they’re do it themselves if they really can’t get Russia to take the bait. What they care about is breaking the taboo on using nukes. They want to push Russia, Iran, or China to use a nuke defensively, because as soon as they do, they intend to start vaporizing targets all over the globe until the world sues for peace and accepts uncontested USA domination. USA is going for gold, and is willing to risk blowing up the entire planet if there’s a chance they can come out on top. Obviously these people are clinically insane.
And that’s why Putin is being so restrained in his responses to USA provocations, perhaps a dozen or more attacks now on Russia’s nuclear triad and primary detection systems. Possibly many, many more. Russia, but especially China, are still working on a counter to Starlink, and they are not yet able to defend against it except in a very geographically-limited area, for short periods of time.
As for why they’re moving so slowly in Ukraine, as I wrote last time, they are bringing social services, food assistance, medical services, infrastructure hook-ups, village-by-village as they advance. They want the people they liberate to cheer at the sight of advancing Russians, knowing their nightmare is over and that soon life will return to normal. With pensions, even. They give cash assistance, soup kitchens, and sign people up for Russian old-age pensions as soon as the support crew can approach a village. Obviously this method of waging war is completely alien to USA. If Israel had tried this in Lebanon, they wouldn’t have to mandate every single house have a bomb shelter.
On a totally different note, I will state the following-
It’s nearly inexplicable to me, that NATO, the EU, and the so-called West, has been so brazen, so escalatory, and so foolish with Russia.
It’s literal Russian Roulette, and predicated on the hope that Russia will never overreact?
I realize they’ve been goading Russia and Putin the entire time, trying to get him to do so, and who knows, maybe he still will, but the danger in escalating, constantly, and doing almost everything they can, to get him to lash out, has to be one of the most foolish things I’ve ever seen in my life!
Because other than “nothing” WTF do they expect him to do? What are they trying to goad him into doing? Nuking a European city? And what if he did? Are they willing to start full scale nuclear war, just to show Putin “they weren’t just bluffing”?
Terrorist attacks, eco-sabotage, attacking their nuclear triad?
I know that Putin doesn’t want to overreact, but good god, every many has his limits!
I just don’t understand how they can goad him in such a cavalier manner, and just assume that his goaded overreaction will be one that they can live with? So they can go “See, he nuked Brussels, we told you he was a evil madman!”
And then what? Vilify him in western media? Or start WWIII, so he can follow-up by nuking the entire western world?
It’s kinda like in the movie “The Deer Hunter”, when he was asking for extra bullets to be put in the gun. His plan (because it was a movie) was to find three empty chambers, so he could shoot the guards, fair enough, it worked… but what if it hadn’t? You kill yourself, then your friend and opponent has to as well, or he shoots it out with the guards with only 2 bullets?
This is the west, goading Putin into overreacting, thinking that his overreaction will be kept at a tolerable level. Who the hell can guarantee that?
I’m serious… unless THEY actually WANT him to start WWIII, and see the entire population of the modern world vaporized, as some kind of Satanic Death Cult human sacrifice…
It’s just crazy!
So naive …
Thank you for the very illustrative and accurate examples.
And in retrospect I agree – the choice of the word “enemy” was a poor one – if I were writing my comment now I would say that the whole world is a “business opportunity”.
Such demonstrations would just cause a risk of intercept or provoking the NATO Zionist whores to go all in against Russia. You yourself acknowledge that the USA has released nuclear weapons against Japan in 1945 and Biological weapons against China and Iran in 2019. The ten or twenty Jewish Bankers from Chabad that run this rock with their usury debtslavery system are the rabid dog kings of the jungle on Earth. They conduct open terrorism across the globe, nuclear attacks biological weapons and livestream genocide on pay per view in Palestine. Why would Russia or any goyim dare challenge these psychos. They have no fear like rabid dogs and Russia is outnumbered by Jewish slave armies of the Western Goyim sheep. Plus Putin is likely also run by a Chabad faction given his hesitancy to rock the boat.
No a better alternative strategy would be either to withdraw from all nuclear treats and conduct an Air detonation of a Tsar Bomba mid Atlantic for the world to see. Whilst simultaneously cutting all internet cables around Europe and America. Then co duct real time assassination of the Jewish editors and owners of the West’s mockingbird media. Until you start touching Zionist bankers children with violence it doesn’t stop… Mossad thinks it is untouchable. The world must see it is not or we will all die their debt slaves forever.
Putin has suffered an assassination attempt after demonstrating restraint against hostile Ukrainians and Western Europeans just like Alexander II suffered a (successful) assassination attempt after liberating the serfs. No good deed goes unpunished.
Throw in the IDF HQ in Tel Aviv, Israel as a bonus. That’ll earn Putin a lot of credibility with Muslim Global Southerners. This and any other potential Russian attacks should hopefully minimize civilian loss of life.
A song dedicated to Ron Unz, because he is a radical renegade warrior. We are all renegades !!
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German chancellor Friedrich Merz has now said:
1) We’ll shoot Taurus rockets inot Russia. 2) We will not shoot Taurus rockets into iussia – and then: 3) We will shoot Taurus rockets into Russia – and finally: 4) We wil NOT shoot TURUS rockests into Russia (ca, two weeks ago).
He has never said that Germany will shoot rockets into Russia.
Ukraine requested the transfer of the Taurus missile and so far it has been denied. In the latest statement Germany said they would help Ukraine develop long range cruise missiles but will not be providing the Taurus.
Putin said it would be escalation even though he buys rockets by the ton from North Korea.
“I can’t do that but you can’t”
Putin’s arbitrary rules of war.
Oh and he can put a hit on Zelensky at the start of the war but it is escalation if Ukraine tries to kill Putin.
Putin is the annoying kid that makes up his own rules because he is afraid to play by the book.
His biographer described him as hopelessly insecure from being bullied as a child.
We are starting to win, don’t screw it up.
Russia needs to go full on in Ukraine. Finish it up.
And what exactly is the win if Russia takes all of Ukraine?
What do anti-establishment types in the West gain from dead Orthodox men on both sides and a change in flags?
Please provide specific cause and effect gains using classic Greek reason.
Any attack against NATO at this time risks reinforcing the manpower of Ukraine with that of the west.
The logic Putin is counting on is that Ukraine is running out of troops and its war effort will collapse suddenly like the western front in WW1
Russia is trading hits on its territory for its continued manpower superiority in Ukraine.
The chessmaster retaliation move would be to wait for Ukraine to be secured, then afterwards make an invasion into the Baltics to recover lost Russian population centers there.
The Baltics would be incredibly difficult to defend, and when NATO fails to save them it would be the end of NATO’s credibility.
I’m just saying that it was/is clear that the nuclear-armed US/Israel alliance v. Iran was never going to result in an Iranian victory. That conflict will continue despite the last week of quietude…you can bet on it.
But in Russia, I thought nuclear-armed Russia might be more aggressive and have Ukraine on the ropes by now. The West is dumping everything into this war. Putin doesn’t realize Russia is facing an absolutely insane enemy.
You might believe that stuff. I have no idea why.
The item that caught my attention was:
I would be very interested in the source of this. As far as I know the last official word from the executive branch was the white house press secretary said “the FAA knows all about it”. That it was a weapons test is pretty obvious and maybe some source admitted such anonymously but I have not seen an official statement.
Who was testing what?
Daniel Lizst said on Alex Jones it was Northcom and they were testing drones for Continuity of Government martial law takeover but he has no documentation for this claim either.
True, but not this time. That is why it is possible that they tried to attack, but Russian defenses were more prepared.
It would seem the Russians are not going all in on a major offensive. Committing themselves to a massive offensive would present a prime target to NATO air strikes. The Ukraine War is in something like the 1972-1975 phase of the Vietnam. Grabbing a few American states worth of land in Ukraine is not going to make a strategic difference. As Guderian asked Hitler, “who even knows where Kursk is?”
Nobody in the West really cares about Dnepropetrovsk, Krva Rog, anymore than they care about Stalino, or Liz Truss cares about Voronezh. Zaporozhe will fall eventually. The idea of wearing out the Ukrainians while building a strategic reserve seems like something that could work.
For the sake of Russians and Ukrainians, the Orthodox Church, and the entire world…Zelenskyy must be forced out and Trump and Putin must force a peace deal on Ukraine, which is by far the most corrupt and reckless country in Europe.
If Israel detonates a nuke in Russia, the retaliation won’t be against the Zionists. Anymore than the US would retaliate against Israel if they nuked the United States.
“Second possibility: he is part of the game.”
The most likely scenario, imho.
This is the truth. Much like how in terms of class, modern society is an unholy alliance between the elites (globalist jews) and the dregs (BLM) in order to terrorize the middle class. Everything wrong today is due to the unholy alliance between feminist harridans and weak/sexually deviant beta males in order to terrorize everybody normal. This is why I view Russia’s restraint as a key weakness.
WW3 is not something scary to be avoided, it’s the cure. Large swathes of the population need to be culled because they cannot be saved from the programming because they have become reliant on the programming itself. They will fight to defend it.
Had intended to include this link in the post:
https://ibb.co/27h1rCnS
How about the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland?
For the sake of Russians and Ukrainians, the Orthodox Church, and the entire world…Zelenskyy must be forced out and Trump and Putin must force a peace deal on Ukraine, which is by far the most corrupt and reckless country in Europe.
What exactly do you mean? You didn’t cite specific gains. Saying “For the good” is not a rational explanation and is subjective. Someone who lost their baby to a Russian airstrike would not agree. The UN overwhelmingly sided with Ukraine and rejects Russia’s claim to Ukrainian land (that Putin is on video stating belongs to Ukraine).
You don’t deny that Ukraine is more Orthodox than Russia, correct?
Both Russia and Ukraine rank low on international corruption indexes.
Are you suggesting that Russia is forcing a better culture on them?
Even though Russia’s fertility rate is at a 200 year low but has a growing Muslim population?
Let’s try again. What exactly is the gain for Ukraine? They lose sons/brothers and they gain….. ????
What did they not have before the invasion that they have gained through Russia’s invasion?
They lose autonomy and the ability to elect their own leaders. What is the gain?
Great siggestion
Ukraine is NATO’s tactical suicide bomber which cannot be deterred by conventional military means or doctrine. Thus the strategic logic need to solve this dilemma is not just military but political, economic, media warfare and lawfare, so call 5th generation conflict management. Putin’s Russia is way behind the curve in this aspect of 21st century political economy. The pubic mind is now the prime nexus of the modern psychological battlefield.
Great suggestion.
As for why they’re moving so slowly in Ukraine, as I wrote last time, they are bringing social services, food assistance, medical services, infrastructure hook-ups, village-by-village as they advance. They want the people they liberate to cheer at the sight of advancing Russians, knowing their nightmare is over and that soon life will return to normal.
So you are claiming they are going slow so the locals warm up to their violent invasion which seeks to remove their autonomy and national identity at the cost of their sons and brothers. Right.
Why did Russia just launch its largest drone attack on Kiev since the start of the war? Was that to win hearts and minds ?
Video Link
Please explain that in the context of going slow to win the favor of the population.
Note that Kiev is hundreds of miles from the frontline.
Actually, none of my views have changed at all. For exactly the reasons I gave earlier, I think it’s overwhelmingly likely that Israel was substantially involved in the attacks against Russia, at least in some sort of role as technical advisor.
However, I do think that NATO forces were the primary actors, including the British and the Americans.
My analysis is very different.
As I emphasized in my article, under normal circumstances the Western MSM is sufficiently powerful that it can completely warp reality and control the minds of those under its sway. But the circumstances I’m discussing are absolutely extraordinary.
If the Russians publicly declared that they planned to destroy the NATO HQ in three days time and challenged the West to try to stop them, the story would become by far the biggest news in the world during during those three days, easily sweeping aside any Western MSM roadblocks.
Pretty much everyone in the world would be aware of the challenge and I’d assume hundreds of journalists would travel to Brussels to record the events.
Lots of journalists would interview NATO politicians and military contractors about whether they thought their defenses could stop the Russians and whether they felt sufficiently confident that they’d sit in the HQ and find out.
Any of the tricks you’re suggesting would be totally impossible to carry out.
And if the result was a big hole in the ground, I think NATO would quickly collapse.
The response would be that the United States will attack the Kremlin in 3 days. And then Putin says, just kidding.
It’s not going to happen.
What could be a way to make the West pay a price? Sinking transport ships?
Seems like it would be a lot less dangerous to give Iran and Yemen everything they need.
VVP, just erase NYC.
thanks for this released energy comparison. I was wondering about Unz’s assertion that conventional Oreshnik’s explosive energy was similar to that of a nuclear weapon! not sure where he’s getting that.
Trying to follow your lead, if a nuke is 10,000 times as powerful as TNT by mass, then (if I’m doing the math right), Oreshnik would have to impact doing about Mach 800 to be comparable to a same mass nuclear warhead.
My fault – must have misunderstood what the Author wrote about the major role that Israel played in the Russian attack (to me the major role in such case would be more on the inspirational level, then technical assistance).
The “drone invasions” and the “Chi-Com. Weather Balloon”
were both U.S. Gov Ops. Drones can be shot down any
place except over the U.S. There’s something in the air!
It’s called “bullshit.”
The actual secret weapons are not mentioned publicly
by China and Russia, but Trump can’t help himself
so he brags about them.
I posted this a few times before, but it seems especially relevant now. Russian chess players have an instinct to play with (and defeat me with) what chess players call “quiet moves.” (Americans: more impulsively, impatiently, recklessly). I can’t prove it but I extrapolate the above to apply to Russian political leaders. A PhD in Russian psychology would of course do a much better job at this.
But, NATO (the U.S.) might make a counter threat to destroy the Kremlin
if Russia carried out its threat. You can see where this
is going, and it isn’t good.
“They [Ukrainians have lost] … the ability to elect their own leaders. What is the gain?”
Indeed.
Ukrainians today fight to keep Zelensky in power as a dictator. What have the Ukrainians gained?
If we consider the possibility that Simplicius may be a Russian mole
within Ukrainian intelligence, would you still be puzzled by his lack
of a public relations agent?
You are as dense as depleted uranium,
amplified and encased in lead.
It is likely that some of those American and British actors may have dual citizenship,
but only one loyalty. You can’t serve two masters, but you can pretend to.
Calm down bro. Your response is wacky and overly long.
It’s time for peace. END THE WAR Trump!
I recall early on in the war some provocation in Kalliningrad, which at the time seemed outrageous. While I was stunned by the Russian non-response, it occurred to me that if your enemy badly wants you to attack (as seemingly the purpose of these provocations was), then it may be in your best interest to not attack.
Indeed, when Churchill provoked Hitler by bombing German cities, it would probably have been better for Hitler to not retaliate, but Hitler took the bait. Maybe the Russians have learned something from that.
If Russia announced it would strike the NATO HQ, the West would go to high alert, they would prepare for general war, all the aircraft carriers would move in position, and the West could reasonably announce “if you do strike the NATO HQ we will strike Moscow with everything we’ve got”. This would put Russia in a very difficult position.
My old buddy John Johnson wrote to Kingsmeg:
Because Kiev is never going to be part of Russia: if Putin tried to absorb Kiev, Lvov, etc., it would just stick in the throat of the Russian Federation.
But Eastern Ukraine is culturally and linguistically Russia. Russia can reasonably expect to assimilate it.
Adding to what Kingsmeg said, this is not a war of maneuver or territorial advance, it is a war of attrition. Putin’s goal is to wipe out the Ukrainian military, unit by unit, soldier by soldier, until it collapses. Of course, if he can scare the hell out of Kiev by targeting Kiev directly… well, that might help too. He has to play nice with Eastern Ukraine. Not so much with Western Ukraine, which he can never absorb anyway.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
John Johnson asked ProteinShake:
They stop dying.
After three-and-a-half years of war, including the pre-positioning period, of troops in southern Belarus, to support an intended three-day military coup operation, and announcing unreasonable ultimatums, it is simply amazing to read so much obsessive war-fever nonsense and uninformed grand-standing being expressed here.
First, since the drone attack at Russia’s air bases technically relied upon using Russia’s regional mobile phone network to enable the actual visual targeting (not satellites, except possibly for GPS signals as a possible back-up), the more daring aspect consisted of infiltrating Russia, a task which Ukrainians are understandably better able to carry out than British or Americans. Insisting that Ukraine could not have carried out Operation Spider’s Web without any outside assistance, with no proof or corroboration whatsoever, already reflects a denialist attitude.
Second, according to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom provided security assurances to Ukraine. Obviously Russia violated the agreement, yet if the US and UK continue to honor their commitments, this has nothing to do with NATO. Pretending that thirty additional counties are now involved as belligerent forces against Russia, and imaging them as legitimate military targets, is like conflating the military conflict to include the entire “collective West“, which is Russia’s recurrent mantra. (Never mind that European countries still buy Russian gas.)
Third, in a military confrontation between Russia and 32 NATO countries, Russia, which has only two major metropolitan areas, could easily be functionally disabled by a few hundred cruise missiles targeting military resources and command structure in the Moscow region. Repeatedly promoting the fantasy of an unprovoked attack on Brussels headquarters not only constitutes a mad desire for a world war, involving nearly forty countries, if one also includes Belarus and North Korea, among others, but reflects poorly upon the mental sanity of anyone purporting to be serious about such advocacy as a remedy to resolve the conflict, as if though NATO could somehow just shatter and collapse.
Fourth, all this chatter about a purported assassination attempt against Putin a few weeks ago, as he was flying by helicopter in the southern region of Russia, is either another fabrication to elicit sympathy among die-hard Putin cultists or an attempt to detract from an unsuccessful internal attempt to usurp him – and his cronies – from power in this manner, possibly intended to be staged as a false flag, providing a pretext for a valorous narrative (died on the battlefield) in the aftermath, which would be more palatable for the population to accept than, say, accidentally fell from a tall building.
Fifth, it should be obvious that this ongoing war could end any time, within a few hours, if Putin were to simply cease hostilities and withdraw Russian troops from Ukraine, and sincerely offer negotiations. It is also easy to deduce that the war is being prolonged for the sake of preserving Putin’s personal power, as is the aggressive war stance displayed by Netanyahu. Putin has shown that he is willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of thousands of Russians, to be callously used as cannon fodder to forestall the inevitable reckoning for his delusional ambition of undoing the breakup of the USSR in 1991 and the tactical miscalculations that ensued in pursuit of this elusive goal.
There is plenty of reason to believe that sick and evil people run the global conspiracy that dominates the “the West.”
That being said, that the people say “then Putin is dead” is mostly just a function of them being sycophants. That is to say, they absolutely feel no obligation to reason anything out, nor do they care how their audience reasons it out. They simply say what they know they are supposed to say, and expect everyone else (who actually matters! the only people who matter are with the winning team!) to parrot the same kind of lines. It has been, to date, sufficient to their purpose. The extent to which they actually believe it is questionable, but I do think that many of the Jews and their sycophants in their fantasies of unlimited power possibly do see nuclear retaliation as being something that doesn’t concern them, isn’t important, they’ll kill whoever they want to kill and damn the consequences.
Jewish John’s Johnson (JJJ) writes:
The U.S economy is crashing of its own accord. The funding of this proxy war and Apartheid Israel’s genocide/Iran war are merely fast tracking that implosion.
What you will be able to show me is that the ZOG owned Defence Contractors will be making a profit.
The U.S economy and its citizenry, on the other hand, are LOSING BADLY.
FFS, the interest alone on the national debt is over $1 trillion per year and GETTING LARGER.
When the ZOG financiers lose control in the U.S bond market (and that day looms large), interest rates (esp. the all important 10 yr bond rate), will jump by several percent.
Overnight the interest repayments will leap frog to $1.5 trillion, then $2 and $3 trillion.
And when that occurs its game over for America.
How the eff is that indicative of a prospering society?
John’s Johnson, you like to repeat that tired old line that your ADL controllers keep instructing you to disseminate. ie: about the increased LNG sales to Germany in the wake of the Nordstream pipeline destruction.
You make it out like the entirety of Germany’s energy needs are being satisfied by LNG purchases from the U.S. This is INCORRECT.
Yes, like good little vassals the Germans are buying some LNG and send a few dollars the way of the Great Satan. But if the Germans were to make up the entirety of the energy shortfall through overpriced LNG from America, they would instantly go bankrupt.
What the Germans instead did was RESTART THOSE MOTHBALLED COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS (that they had previously closed to tackle the NON PROBLEM of Anthropogenic Global Warming – seeing as we know with certainly that man-made CO2 emissions do not cause Global Warming).
Click on the link below to an article titled ‘Germany to reactivate coal power plants as Russia curbs gas flow’ and see for yourself where the bulk of the energy shortfall is coming from:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/germany-reactivate-coal-power-plants-russia-curbs-gas-flow
Meanwhile, the hundreds of billions to Ukraine and the Apartheid Israeli state to sustain those wars, is only a small part of the equation. The U.S is bankrupting itself because it lives well beyond its means and just conjures trillions of USD out of thin air to pay for the shortfall.
But there are consequences when a nation keeps conjuring currency to the sky as the U.S routinely does – it will be loss of world reserve currency status and thereafter chronic inflation.
And when that occurs the U.S is done for.
As for the following stupid remark of yours:
My exact words (as you yourself reproduced in your comment), were ‘an OVER 10:1 kill ratio.
Do you understand what the word ‘over’ means?
So the exact kill ratio may be 10.5 or 10.4826465, which is hardly a round number.
As for the ‘no source’ part, UR readers should be made aware that I’ve posted my corroboration in a previous UR thread that Jewish John’s Johnson saw, but now pretends he didn’t.
The fact of the matter is that I don’t make any assertion unless I can back it up.
So, to embarrass you once more Jewish Johnson. (Watch this first 2 mins of this video):
Are you able to do the maths on that my Jewish non-friend?
And Ron Unz, please stop with the ‘the current situation doesn’t seem very “safe” to me’.
Of course there is no particular course of action that results in close to zero Russian casualties, whilst simultaneously bringing about a cessation of hostilities and concurrent demise of NATO and the Anglo-Zionist empire.
It is evident that the Russians have pursued the LEAST WORST option.
The Russians, together with the Chinese, Iranians, Houthis, North Koreans (and other constituents of the Axis of Virtue), are slowly, methodically, INEXORABLY bringing about the demise of the Great Satan (otherwise known as the USSA).
Let’s understand here, this war was NEVER Russia vs Ukraine alone.
It was always Russia vs Ukraine AND the combined weapons inventory/logistical and satellite reconnaissance/Intel support of the U.S and its NATO vassals (coupled to the scores of thousands of mercenaries that ZOG funding was able to throw on to the front lines – most of whom have already met their maker).
That the Russians have been able to inflict so much damage to the forces of evil, whilst simultaneously having so little combat deaths of their own, is testament to the incomparable military prowess of Mother Russia.
The Russian Armed Forces are truly a Goliath like no other on the planet.
Kingsmeg, 158, I absolutely agree that the US does not care if CONUS gets nuked. The subject population is the human shields. Mass death is just another subsidiary deterrent, to make sane states feel bad and to destroy assets they might use.
However I don’t think the US is counting on nukes. They’re betting the bank on banned biological weapons, poor man’s MWD. You know CIA’s mad scientists are still at it because occupied “Korea” (The KCIA regime) just showed off a bird flu strain that’s uniformly lethal in mammals. You know it’s touchy because NATO satellites arbitrarily detained another human rights defender who charged them with germ warfare. First Reiner Fuellmich drafted a bill of indictment. CIA cutouts framed him for some joke charges, arbitrarily detained him, denied his rights of trial and imprisoned him. Arno van Kessel did it too and a giant SWAT team of pussy cops arrested him for some ridiculous bullshit. Kirillov CIA just murdered.
When CIA loses this war they started, DO worms will swing for their most unprecedented crimes. Banned biological weapons will be high on the list: inherently indiscriminate and uncontrollable.
They are not advancing the front line any faster than they can integrate populations into Russian society. How is that hard to understand unless you have the IQ of a turnip?
As for Russian strikes across Ukraine, everyday Ukrainians do not take cover in bomb shelters when the drones and missiles are coming in; despite 3 years of war, life in Kiev and Lvov carries on like there’s no war. They know that Russia is not targeting civilians. The hits on apartment buildings like you show are from Ukrainian ‘air defense’. Israel had a few similar ‘mishaps’, despite having far more professional soldiers manning the missile batteries.
Well, I must reemphasize my lack of personal expertise in such military technology, but my strong impression is that effective Russian air defense would make that extremely difficult, perhaps impossible. We lack maneuverable hypersonics while our ballistics and cruise missiles would be easily shot down, especially if they were being aimed at a known target. That’s the whole reason that hypersonics are so important and why our failure to produce them has at least temporarily given Russia strategic superiority.
I would welcome the views of commenters more knowledgeable than myself.
Without wishing to be rude, to me this seems less an issue of expertise in military strategy and technology and more an issue of straightforward common sense. In three years, Russia has been unable to defeat Ukraine on the battlefield. It has been unable to take the city of Kharkov, twenty miles from its own border. So whatever we might think about Russia’s missile defence systems, it is surely obvious that Russia could not defeat NATO in a conventional war.
Nuclear war is another matter entirely, but your suggestion is that a direct attack on NATO headquarters would be a climb down from the precipice of nuclear war, rather than a reckless escalation toward it.
Such a theatrical move would demonstrate that Russia possesses unstoppable long-range missiles. The question is then: so what? Are these missiles capable of inflicting a military defeat on the entirety of NATO? No. Would they demonstrate that the Russian nuclear threat is real? Yes, in the technical sense that if Russia loaded its missiles with nuclear warheads, we wouldn’t be able to defend against a nuclear attack. But you’d have to think that the West is presently convinced it can ‘win’ a nuclear war against Russia in order for this to make any difference. What would levelling the NATO headquarters with advance warning actually demonstrate, short of the fact that a nuclear war would annihilate us all?
A few other commentors have said the Western media would be able to cover up the embarrassment. I’m with you on this – they certainly couldn’t. The question is not whether the media could conceal the attack outright, or spin it to put Ukranian schoolchildren inside the building and make Russia look like even more of a monster than most Westerners think it already is. The question is: for whom would such an attack be a propaganda win? And the answer is surely: NATO. If the NATO headquarters are destroyed, suddenly NATO is unequivocally the victim. It has been attacked ‘unprovoked.’ Russia is shown to be just as insane and evil as the New Cold War merchants have been trying to convince everyone for thirty years. Far from collapsing the mass-media mind control in the West, such a move would massively reinforce it. Russia would be doing the propagandists’ work for them. And a direct military response would be justified, meaning either a conventional war (which Russia would lose) or a nuclear war (which everyone would lose).
My uncle fought as a Marine in the Korean War. My mom told me that when he told his father, my grandpa, who had spent his entire career in the Military, that he had joined up for the war my grandpa went out into the backyard and threw up.
Uncle Gerard, a lady’s man, the handsome, athletic type, survived the war only to be buried alive with two other men on a California dam-building site in 1961. He was twenty nine when he died and now lies a short walking distance from his mother and father at the military cemetery in San Bruno.
I never knew him.
It’s not all about rockets. Neither side is going to stand down and submit after merely being targeted by one or many waves of rockets, be they armed with conventional warheads or with tactical nukes.
And even in the remote case of Moscow and St. Peterburg being erased by proper strategic nukes, we can expect the Russian army command to keep functioning from secret centres spread across the country.
Eventually, armies of men are going to collide, symmetrically or asymmetrically (insurgency), and that will decide the conflict.
However, neither side has currently the industrial capacity to adequately equip and supply millions of men in the field.
The Russians currently have nearly 1M men participating in the Special Military Operation, however much less than a half of that number is employed directly on the frontlines.
Russians are expanding their output of military paraphernalia (ammo, food supplies, artillery guns, shells, spare replacement barrels, tanks, IFVs, helicopters, aerial guided bombs, drones, rockets,…) to be adequate to field such a limited size army (the frontline from Briansk oblast, to Donetsk, up to Kherson and the Dnepr estuary may well be around 1,000 miles long, but Id need to double check).
In order to field armies of millions of men, a total conversion of civil manufacturing to military purposes is going to be needed, and no one in Russia, except the hardliners, really wants that. That would be equal to declaring WW3.
This is why the pace of advance of the Russian Army over the Donbas frontlines might appear plodding to a casual observer of this war. They’d need more men and materiel to increase the pace. On the other hand, Ukrainians would benefit form drafting absolutely anyone able to hold a rifle, and overwhelm the Russian army with “meat attacks” over multiple locations across the front, at the same time. That would be costly in terms of a superhigh rate of casualties, but many in the country know this is really the only way Ukraine can win the conflict by pushing the Russians back to the 2014 borders.
The current reality on the frontlines is that drones are so pervasive that even the most trivial of activities cannot be expected to be completed safely:
https://old.bitchute.com/channel/nnwlaOOuDM1W/
Where does Trump fit into this plan?
Trump has to respond with force or will further be depicted as a Putin supporting coward.
An attack against NATO headquarters would be an attack on Belgium.
So Belgium cites Article 5……and we expect Trump to ignore it?
At the very least I see Trump loading up Ukraine with first gen weapons.
But I think the more likely response would be Tomahawks.
Probably an overnight barrage of missiles on Russian positions in Ukraine. Most likely officers.
Let’s say that Trump actually does nothing. Unlikely but let’s consider it.
At the very least Ukraine would get the Taurus missile.
Because Kiev is never going to be part of Russia: if Putin tried to absorb Kiev, Lvov, etc., it would just stick in the throat of the Russian Federation.
Kingsmeg said that Putin is intentionally going slow to win over the people.
So you believe Putin is not going after Kiev and is then just committing mass murder for no reason?
Why send thousands of drones into Kiev if there is no military goal? Shouldn’t they be used on the front?
But Eastern Ukraine is culturally and linguistically Russia. Russia can reasonably expect to assimilate it.
It depends on the area and most of the land Russia is occupying was not part of the separatist movement.
They are currently occupying Zaporizhzhia Oblast which overwhelmingly voted for Zelensky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhzhia_Oblast
Which means they are occupying Ukrainian areas that do not want to be assimilated by Russia, correct?
Well, for several years NATO has been firing NATO missiles into Russia and recently attacked Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrent. So NATO has obviously become a co-belligerent in the conflict.
On your first point, let’s consider the course of a conventional war between NATO and Russia. As I mentioned in my article, I think within the first few hours Russia could use its hypersonics and other missiles to destroy every NATO airbase in Europe, eliminating NATO airpower. Do you dispute this?
Meanwhile, NATO ground-forces are small and feeble. And American naval/air power would be extremely vulnerable in the same way if it chose to intervene.
While the foolish Ukrainians, operating under a dictatorship, have been willing to suffer horrendous casualties for the last several years, I doubt this would be the case with the major European NATO countries.
So I think the result would be that NATO would quickly sue for peace and effectively surrender, with the Western alliance collapsing.
Russia acknowledges that the west controls the media, and that there is little they can do about it.
However, I watched one of Putin’s speeches where he spelled out in no uncertain terms that NATO forces were in Ukraine and responsible for some specific attacks inside Russia.
I also read, unverifiable, that Russia has been recently striking several targets inside Ukraine where there are NATO forces, many of whom were killed, which has not been publicized by the west, but instead, kept secret..
Apparently, the overriding objective of the west is to keep this war going for the sole purpose of exhausting Russia with Ukrainian troops before Ukraine is announced a NATO member and NATO forces officially enter the war against an exhausted Russia
This is another Unz limited hangout special. There are reports the British were involved in operation Spiderweb, and that’s probably true, but we know who controls the British, so I’m going to go on a long meandering detour somehow implicating Trump, without any evidence.
The Russians are directly accusing the British. After a violent crime, you listen to the victim. You don’t say to the victim, “I know you think Trey Trey shot you, and you saw him do it, but trust me bro, there was a dude right behind Trey Trey who did it.”
The Brits have been in operational control in Ukraine for 3 years. Bucha, Kerch Bridge, Kursk, Krynky, now Spiderweb. All British ideas.
As for Nord Stream, the Russians directly accused the British on that too. But Sy Hersh who runs cover for MI6 says something and Unz believes the estimable Sy Hersh couldn’t possibly be dispersing British squid ink, so he keeps referencing his “scoop.”
“it is surely obvious that Russia could not defeat NATO”
Maybe not obvious but the European NATO countries have three times the population and six times the GDP of Russia so the odds heavily favor them. If this is the case, though, then any sort of domino theory argument that we have to stop the first domino falling in the Ukraine to keep Putin from taking over Europe is faulty.
Putin is not stupid so it is unlikely he would even try to invade Europe. It is even more unlikely he is going to invade the United States. It costs about a hundred billion dollars a year for a nuclear defense shield. The other nine hundred billion dollars we spend yearly on defense could be cut in half. We certainly should be looking for ways to save money when we are running two trillion dollar a year deficits and are heading for a fiscal cliff.
” As I mentioned in my article, I think within the first few hours Russia could use its hypersonics and other missiles to destroy every NATO airbase in Europe, eliminating NATO airpower. Do you dispute this?”
I will begin by stating that I am not an expert. However, this claim can easily be disputed based on general knowledge of the European theater.
In Poland alone there are 6 air bases capable of accepting US aircraft such as F-15 or F-16. This is not counting civilian or former military sites, which could be used in emergency, and also not counting specially dedicated parts of highways designated for emergency military use. And this is just Poland.
At the same time everyone can go to google maps and check that the Yuzhmash factory is still standing after the Oreshnik strike. And you can actually see where the roofs were repaired.
So unfortunately no, Russians are not capable of a conventional decapitation strike on Europe.
And there is a very good reason for that – during the new smuta period, when there was not enough money to keep the empire, priority was given to nuclear forces. In particular Oreshnik was developed primarily as a nuclear weapons carrier. The way it was used with conventional warheads was just for demonstration purposes. They would need hundreds in not thousands of such missiles to decapitate European air force. Not even close.
I’m sorry, but this is not realistic.
Now, if by any chance you meant a nuclear decapitation strike on Europe, then that’s a different story.
Excellent comment/observation. The fact that the Korean genocide was real whereas the so-called holocaust is an entirely fabricated story, proves to what the Western media, and therefore the sheeple’s mindset, are controlled by a tiny Jewish minority.
I don’t dispute it, but neither do I think it necessarily means what you seem to think it means. The key issue is whether hypersonic missiles alone, which are Russia’s only significant military advantage over NATO (although drone warfare experience might be another), would be enough to win a conventional war. Small and feeble as NATO’s ground forces may be, they are orders of magnitude more powerful than Ukraine’s armed forces, which, as you point out, have resisted Russia for three years despite constant projections of imminent collapse. It seems clear to me that Russia would not stand a chance against NATO on the battlefield, unless they have been deliberately protracting the Ukraine war and sacrificing their own men by using significantly less than their full capabilites in that conflict, which I think is a far-fetched notion to say the least. It makes sense for Russia to withhold its presumably limited stock of hypersonics in case the war erupts into a full-fledged confict with NATO (and also thereby to avoid giving NATO any data about their capabilities), but that along with their nuclear weapons is surely about all it makes sense for Russia to have held in reserve over the last three years.
So if Russia’s ground forces are not going to beat NATO, what matters is whether the hypersonics could carry the day more-or-less on their own. Western military intelligence must have been developing strategies for war with Russia under the assumption that its hypersonic missiles are unstoppable. But let’s assume these wouldn’t work. It seems clear to me nonetheless that a direct attack on NATO, which the Western media will have no trouble portraying as an entirely unprovoked atrocity, would feed into what you describe as the West’s greatest strategic weapon, rather than undermining it. The media has not spent the last few years portraying the West as invincible – if it had then all its fearmongering about Russia would have been blatantly self-contradictory. Rather it has implicitly conveyed a sense of Western weakness by portraying Putin as a mad tyrant who wants to restore the Soviet Union and who will invade the rest of Eastern Europe once he’s finished with Ukraine. And the Ukraine war itself is supposedly the fault of Western weakness because we failed to take a stand and grant it NATO membership, or failed to give it enough miltiary support. I know many supposedly intelligent people, many in extremely well-paid and highly technical careers, who fully subscribe to this nonsense. Despite Russia’s poor performance on the battlefield most Europeans are still resolutely convinced that Russia is a serious and terrible military threat (an assessment which has nothing to do with hypersonic missiles), and the smoking ruins of the NATO headquarters would be the ultimate confirmation of this view. Far from collapsing NATO, it would serve as a renewed justification for its existence, its expansion and its strengthening.
By describing the source of Jew power as “their usury debtslavery system” you show your awareness of this world’s reality.
Michael Hudson has identified this as going back to Luke 4:16-30 in his book
https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/and-forgive-them-their-debts/
just as E. Michael Jones summarizes Jew power in a single word – “usury” – and has also written a book about it
https://www.fidelitypress.org/book-products/barren-metal .
My comment history here covers all of it; search it for terms “Luke 4”, “usury”, and “JewU$ury”.
Mefobills,
https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Mefobills
whose comment
https://www.unz.com/runz/a-forceful-russian-response-to-nato-recklessness/#comment-7190456
appears above as #110 above, is an unsurpassed expert on all of this.
That the ostensible decision makers in the West give the superficial appearance of being unafraid of Russian retaliation is really very simple. Putin will not take serious action against the Jews. Either he cannot or will not take serious action against the Jews, therefore he cannot effectively deter them. To stop this war in Ukraine it is only necessary to make the Jews suffer for it. At that point, the hysteria of the Jewish reaction will be so great as to potentially precipitate WWIII.
Succinctly put, and I for one find that it fits the observed phenomena very well. The Russians have never gone in for any real Holocaust revisionism, either.
Zelensky ran on a platform of rapprochement with Russia. So his electoral success in Zaporozhia years ago does not entail present-day facts on the ground.
The Russians held referenda in 2022 and those parts of Zap under Russian control voted solidly to be reincorporated into RF.
As the saying goes, it takes one to know one, and you are a perfect example.
In essence, you are parroting the Western narrative that Russia’s attack was unprovoked. Merely stating, without so much as a corroborating piece of evidence, that Russia violated the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, does not make sense, to put it mildly. And to continue to claim the U.S. and UK continue to honor their commitments is a joke. Had they been honoring their “commitments” they would have been open and transparent about their activities.
You conveniently forget that in April 2022 the Ukraine was on the cusp of signing a peace deal, PRPOSED BY RUSSIA (!!!) whereby the Ukrainian territory would have remained intact. Boris Johnson promptly flew to Kiev to blackmail Zelensky into not signing, so the Ukrainian Popcorn-Fart-in-Chief walked away.
Your implicit confirmation uninformed grandstanding with blatant ignorance of the facts shows you are living under a rock in some far away place, and when you emerge you parrot standard Western MSM BS.
But although the Oreshniks are new and few, the Russians have a full suite of other hypersonics, and my impression is that they do number in the many hundreds, not to mention huge numbers of ballistics and cruise missiles. Meanwhile, from everything I’ve read, including by top experts such as Prof. Ted Postol, NATO air defense systems are very ineffective, even against non-hypersonics.
So the issue I’m raising is a very simple one, though beyond my own military expertise. Am I correct in believing that the Russians could very quickly destroy all NATO airbases in Europe? If so, I think they’d win a conventional war pretty easily.
Agreed, and Russia should retaliate against the Zionist state but will they, no.
Russia acknowledges that the west controls the media, and that there is little they can do about it.
That’s rich coming from a country that locks up journalists that question the government.
However, I watched one of Putin’s speeches where he spelled out in no uncertain terms that NATO forces were in Ukraine and responsible for some specific attacks inside Russia.
Oh well if Putin says so then it must be true. Who made this claim before the war:
“It’s a training exercise, we won’t be invading Ukraine”
>and recently attacked Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrent
The Russian aircraft hit by Ukraine are being used as missile carriers: they launch precision munitions (cruise missiles) at targets in Ukraine, especially the Tu-95 bombers operating from Olenya.
Are you really so desperate to support your argument that NATO is being ‘reckless’ that you need to be intellectually dishonest in such an infantile way?
Do you believe these planes should be regarded as off-limits just because they are formally seen as part of Russia’s ‘strategic nuclear deterrent’?
Also it seems rather clear that a plane like the Tu-95, a relic from the 1950s, is only nominally a part of Russia’s ‘nuclear deterrent triad’ — today it would be easily detected and shot down before reaching any targets in the US, so its existence as a bomber capable of carrying nuclear weapons is not really much of a ‘deterrent.’
Russia deploys two more Tu-95MS bombers to remote Arctic hub
Today the Tu-95 is really only suitable as a platform to launch standoff conventional weapons like cruise missiles — it is very vulnerable to modern AD — its status as a formal member of Russia’s ‘nuclear deterrent triad’ is basically irrelevant — except for your rhetorical purposes, I guess.
So the issue I’m raising is a very simple one, though beyond my own military expertise. Am I correct in believing that the Russians could very quickly destroy all NATO airbases in Europe? If so, I think they’d win a conventional war pretty easily.
A full conventional war with troops or a missile exchange?
NATO has more conventional missiles. They haven’t given Ukraine a single Tomahawk and they really don’t transfer well. A lot of them are packed inside ships and submarines.
Russia used most of their cruise missiles against Ukraine.
Zed bloggers describe Russian morale at an all-time low with overreliance on untrained troops and contractors. In a conventional war those same troops would be fighting fresh NATO special forces within weeks if not days. NATO troops with the latest in body armor, night vision, weapon systems, etc.
The other problem is Trump. After an attack on NATO there would be a high risk of him completely reversing his position and swearing to send Ukraine “the most beautiful weapons” in an attempt at redeeming himself.
I just don’t see it. I hold your opinion in the highest regard but I’ll have to politely disagree with you on this one.
Ron
I lifted this comment from MOA
I concur with his analysis
The thread’s closed now, but there was much discussion about “Kiev in three days” earlier. The current article is more on the Azov, but you can’t discuss the Ukrainian war without examining the Ultras now in control of the current Kiev administration so I hope not too far off topic.
On the “Kiev in three days” question I venture to offer the view I formed during 2022. Somewhat diffidently – I offered a view on Trump here on “b’s” site that looks a bit dumb now so am conscious that the same might happen in this case. But it’s what I’ve been thinking since 2022 so here goes.
The Russians were never that bothered about taking Kiev. Not as an objective in itself. What they were bothered about was avoiding finding themselves in the position we’d expected they’d find themselves in after they’d invaded Ukraine. Winning a quick military “victory” and then spending lives, time and money on fighting the subsequent guerrilla war.
The Russians sidestepped all that. They conducted a superbly planned and executed blitzkrieg attack that prevented the Kiev forces getting into the Donbass and that demolished the Ukrainian army as a coherent fighting force. That little job done – only took a week or so – they did what they’ve been doing ever since.
Instead of chasing all over Ukraine hunting down Ultras, and policing a powerful and well-equipped and well supported resistance, they sat back in the Donbass and allowed the Kiev forces to come to them. Good logistics, a Donbass population that was utterly determined, and greatly superior artillery and missile forces, ensured thereafter that the outcome of this war was never in doubt. Nor, sadly, the respective body counts.
If I had a pound for every time cries of “Putin Troll” followed any expression of that view in early 2022 I’d be a rich man. But it was the only logical view to take at the time and still is. Because that’s precisely what happened. The fictitious “Battle of Kiev”, and both the Russian and Western propaganda about it (because the Russian propaganda was just as misleading as the Western), must be examined in that context. It can only be examined in that context.
It must also be examined in the context of what is often, rather grandly, called the “Russian Way of War.” That’s usually taken as the integration of all aspects of conflict, internal and external political considerations, diplomatic considerations and moral considerations amongst them. But it can also be taken as the way the Russians work operationally. It’s not the way we in the West think they work.
The Russians don’t do war by following “The Plan”. No one does, except in the history books or in the popular press, and certainly not the Russians. They have a multiplicity of contingency plans. The skill – and we’ve seen repeated demonstrations of that skill – lies in tailoring each of the individual plans so that it “meshes” with the others whichever plan turns out to be the one to follow.
The battles around Kiev illustrate that to perfection.
“Kiev in three days”, in the sense we in the West have always taken it, was never on. That is, the taking of Kiev “Battle of Berlin” style against determined opposition. The Russians did not have enough troops up to do that even had they intended to; and some supply lines were vulnerable in the extreme. Had they intended to take the city like that, and even had they succeeded against the odds, they would have taken inordinate casualties and the city itself would have ended up a corpse strewn ruin.
We in the West imagined they had that in contemplation because, as Martyanov often explains so lucidly, we are nurtured on a false understanding of Soviet tactics in WWII. We believe the Russians defeated the Germans back then because they threw masses of men into combat, heedless of losses, until the Germans were overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers.
Very few military historians, not at the time the histories were written that set the pattern of our thinking and that still inform our popular myths now, understood the fluidity and complexity of Russian operational thinking at that time. Our popular myth is that the Russians throw in “meat attacks” and achieve their ends by brute force and heavy sacrifice.
Our propagandists tap into that popular myth today and still talk of “meat attacks” when they’re explaining why the Russians have gained this or that bit of ground. But that’s not how the Russians fight. Prigozhin’s disregard of casualties in Bakhmut is the exception that proves the rule – the Russian General Staff were not pleased with that excessive expenditure of men, convicts or not, and never adopted that approach themselves before or since.
That’s not to say that the Russians believe you can fight without taking casualties. They know they must lose men, and they know that some operations could well be casualty heavy; but they focus on minimising those casualties. They also focus, and here again our Western propagandists mislead us, on minimising civilian casualties. Given that approach, Gerasimov would have been contemptuous of any attempt to take Kiev by assault with the forces and logistics at his disposal at that time. As contemptuous as would my mechanic be were I to suggest servicing my car with a club hammer!
So what was the “plan” around Kiev, if it was not to be stormed? Since there is no direct line to the Russian General Staff we can only speculate. Best case, surrender. In that case the Russians had troops enough to keep order in the city after surrender. Plenty of Ultras around so quite a few troops would be needed for that.
Second best case, collapse of resistance. Had the Kiev administration fled instead of taking refuge in the basement that was a possibility.
Failing that, the third case. There were more than enough Russian troops around to keep the Kiev forces up north and prevent them coming down south to interfere with the key operations in the Donbass. That is what I mean by “meshing”. Whichever way the cat jumped in Kiev, the objective of holding Kiev forces up north was achieved.
I later discovered Trukhan stating that that was the chief purpose of the operations around Kiev: to hold the Kiev forces up there and block them from intervening where it mattered. Seems likely, but that doesn’t rule out the other cases that looked possible at the time. We must not forget that almost immediately after that first dramatic dawn strike on the Ukrainian communications centre down south, the Russians were beavering away in Belarus, later in Istanbul, trying yet another plan. Getting a political solution.
That again illustrated the multi-faceted and fluid Russian approach to war. From after the first week or so (my belief from 2021!) they knew they were up against whatever the combined West could throw at them. But nothing to lose by running the peace track concurrently. More meshing. They positioned themselves for either outcome.
They can’t be so fluid now. I believe that the Putin administration is running out of options to pick and choose between and make plans for. War has its own momentum. There are now too many Russians around whose blood is up. Many of them will be cruelly disappointed if Odessa is not taken. Some if Lvov isn’t, though I suspect Putin will do his best to avoid that. And there are few Russians around now who don’t expect Putin, however he does it, to put it out of the power of the West to use Ukraine as an attack dog against Russia. Putin must now neutralise Ukraine, remnant Ukraine if there is one and all. He termed it demilitarisation and denazificiation in 2022 but neutralisation is what it amounts to.
In practical terms, that means no more “look no hands” drone and missile attacks using Western munitions and ISR but employing Ukraine as the launch pad. It means no more sabotage and assassination attacks using Western ISR facilities and run out of the bases we set up for the purpose in Ukraine from 2014 on. It means an end to the ten years of shelling of and missile attacks on civilians in the Donbass. It means no more petal mines in the streets and parks of Donetsk. It means an end to the practice of taping Ukrainian Russian speakers to lamp posts. It means that this lot comes down:-
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/
War has its own momentum indeed. There are very few Russian now living in Russia who will be content with any other outcome to the war in Ukraine. Even fewer in the Russian General Staff.
As for Putin himself, he’s Russian too. Capable of holding multiple objectives in his mind and pursuing them simultaneously. He and Lavrov have been working away on the diplomatic and legalistic tack for a couple of wearisome decades now. But hasn’t Putin always known, from the days of Primakov’s loop way back, through Munich 2007 and Valdai 2014, right up to those fateful days of early 2022, hasn’t he always known that it would come to a scrap with the West; and hasn’t he always known how that scrap must end?
Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 1 2025 15:29 utc | 7
NATO is testing the red lines of Putin; so far there is no sign of any such lines. When the war started, America refused to take delivery of planes donated by Poland for Ukraine. Now it is actively assisting Ukraine to to destroy Russia’s nuclear triad. The fault squarely lies with Putin. Had there been one attack on the weapons convoy in a third country right at the beginning, this war would not have lasted this long. If this war ends in mushroom clouds, Putin’s invisible red lines are responsible for that.
As for penetrating the West’s propaganda shield, Iranian missiles have achieved that. From there to deducing what could be happening in Ukraine should be fairly easier.
Iran stopping the war has practically made the nuclear war inevitable. Now the warmongers in the West will not stop without using nukes or getting hit by nukes.
Replying to Ron Unz #222
Yes. Because as you point out, Russia has a large stock of unstoppable missiles, many of them hypersonics, as amply demonstrated in the Ukraine theater.
But it seems you have yet another simple issue in need of explanation. Why hasn’t Russia demonstrated its power against NATO given that NATO has several times surreptitiously (by proxy) attacked Russia’s important military assets?
The answer is: because Russia attacking NATO assets directly is what the two enemies of Russia (Ukrainian leadership and NATO) want.
Ukraine wants Russia to attack NATO directly because in a war game of three agents, two strong and one weak, the weakest agent’s only winning strategy against one of the strong agents is by playing the two strong agents to fight each other directly. You can check the literature on game theory or just use your common sense.
On the other hand, NATO wants Russia to attack NATO assets directly not to enter into a fight with Russia today, but rather, to garner support for their push to spend more on defense, a policy that is being contested by many European NATO members, because it means increasing public debt, partial dismantling of the welfare state, and therefore risking opening the door to electoral victories by the ‘far right’.
Therefore, many provocations. Trying to cause Putin to lose his cool and go ballistic.
But Putin is smart and has a great team so Russia is not doing what its enemies want it to do.
The resolution of this cross of incentives and constraints, is what we have: the theater of war remains inside the territory of Ukraine, with minor additions in the territory of Russia.
Essentially, NATO has a free hand to conduct all surreptitious (by proxy) attacks on Russia that it can pull off, Russia wins the whole territory of the country formerly known as Ukraine while enduring sneaky attacks by NATO, and Ukraine ceases to exist.
My goodness, where to begin?
There was soooo much ignorance in your comment that it’ll take me quite a while to address it all.
Let’s start with this:
Have you been asleep these last three years?
The Russians have LONG AGO completely decimated the professional Ukrainian Armed Forces that they started the war with in Feb. 2022.
They have over ONE (1) MILLION COMBAT DEATHS, and undoubtedly multiples of that which have been maimed, lost limbs, had their spinal cord torn out with shrapnel or been PTSD’ed – rendering them unfit for front line service.
To the extent that the ‘Ukies’ have any combat proficiency remaining, this is certainly not coming from the Ukrainians themselves – seeing as the bulk of them are old men and school boys that were forcibly conscripted.
It’s coming from the scores of thousands of foreign mercenaries (bought with digitally conjured ZOG central bank money).
Most of those mercenaries deployed since 2022 have already met their maker.
But ZOG manages to lure more dumb Poles/those from impoverished Baltic nations and other regions of the world, to sacrifice their lives in pursuit of the Talmudic agenda.
As for Kharkov, the Russians do not wish to capture it. It would be more trouble than it’s worth.
Other than the fact that the capture of such a large city would entail prolonged street fighting and concomitant huge loss of civilian lives in collateral damage, it would be a drawn out and messy affair (where the kill ratio in Russia’s favour may drop as low as 5:1 or something like that).
You see, the broken buildings and rubble of a demolished Kharkov would provide ideal cover for the defending troops. All modern armies avoid pitched battles in environs such as these.
The Russians much prefer to wage asymmetric warfare as they’re doing at the moment, where the kill ratio is over 10:1 in their favour. Pursuing the present war of attrition, we’re all witnessing the wholesale destruction of this directionless rabble (otherwise known as the Ukrainian Armed Forces), as they desert in their scores of thousands.
And what about this remark of yours, which is the front runner for ‘Asinine Comment of the Month’:
The fact of the matter is that years ago, leading entities and think tanks that the Military Industrial Complex relies on for War Gaming future conflicts (like the Rand Corporation and other senior military experts), have this to say about a confrontation between NATO and Russia (the article below is titled ‘Putin’s military might overrun NATO forces in just 60 hours, defense official warns’:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634072/Putin-s-military-overrun-NATO-forces-just-60-hours-defense-official-warns.html
That assessment is not an outlier either. Click on the links below for further confirmation:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/06/07/before-donald-trump-russia-needed-60-hours-to-beat-nato-now-moscow-could-win-much-faster/
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/revealed-russian-invasion-could-overrun-nato-60-hours-15112
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/06/11/469870/Russia-NATO-US-Baltic-war-Carpenter
Got that Capt Kirk? SIXTY (60) EFF’N HOURS to demolish NATO – that’s the assessment coming from the western strategists themselves.
You might counter by saying that the first article was from 2016, and that the situation on the ground has changed. And you’d be right to say that.
Confronting Russia would be the DEI/Rainbow flagged U.S armed forces and their snivelling NATO vassals – each of which is MASSIVELY DEPLETED* IN WEAPONS OF DEATH and munitions.
(*That’s because they lent a large chunk of it to the hapless Ukrainians in this proxy war, which the Russians turned into scrap iron soon after it was deployed on the battlefield).
Capt Kirk’s-bride, it is obvious that the sum total of your knowledge of this proxy war was taken from the ZOG owned western MSM.
That would explain why you’re completely clueless about the actual outcome on the ground.
It’s best that you keep a low profile from now on and avoid further embarrassment.
Zelensky ran on a platform of rapprochement with Russia. So his electoral success in Zaporozhia years ago does not entail present-day facts on the ground.
Zelensky ran on a neutral platform against the pro-NATO candidate in the 2019 election.
Putin had plans to invade in 2021.
Do explain exactly what Zelensky did to push Ukraine closer to NATO during that short time.
The Russians held referenda in 2022 and those parts of Zap under Russian control voted solidly to be reincorporated into RF.
You’re going to argue that a strong majority of pro-Zelensky Ukrainians decided that they wanted to join Russia after being violently invaded?
That is more likely than Putin lying about the results?
LOL easier said than done.
Drone swarm halting mechanised assault in open field:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/dFmfWdUFmRSF/
Trench fighting coordinated by command and control drone oversight:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/YuzopRVFXPhZ/
It’s obviously very difficult to attack enemy positions in these conditions, whereby the state of the art of military technology heavily favours defence.
The 3 years of fighting experience in these conditions gained by Russia and Ukraine are invaluable. No one else who’s recently been “active” comes close to have ever experienced any of this: not Israel, not Iran, nor Armenia, Turkey or Azerbaijan.
NATO troops would be obliterated as soon as they show up anywhere across the Sarmatic Plain.
The US don’t even know how to integrate diffuse use of FPV drones within their infantry doctrine yet
John’s Johnson writes:
Oh, you mean the SAME NATO troops with body armour/night vision/weapons systems as deployed in Afghanistan – the same ones that could not defeat a few thousand lightly armed Taliban, despite nearly two decades of combat operations in which to do it?
Jewish John’s Johnson, as stupid as you were in the past, you’ve now descended to new depths of imbecility.
You really are an idiot without peer.
I lifted this comment from MOA
I concur with his analysis
MOA is a known Putin supporting old-school leftist who censors his forums in favor of Russia.
The fictitious “Battle of Kiev”, and both the Russian and Western propaganda about it (because the Russian propaganda was just as misleading as the Western), must be examined in that context. It can only be examined in that context.
The main battle was at the Hostomel Airport
You are saying that didn’t happen? Russia didn’t send a force that included 200 attack helicopters to try and take an airport near Kiev?
Or were they just pretending to try and take an airport next to the city while tank battles occurred on the outskirts?
This is ridiculous cope. Putin tried to take Kiev in a decapitation attack and failed.
Get over it and face reality like a man.
You are absolutely correct in your assessment that any hypersonic missiles, including Iskanders (which are hypersonic in the terminal phase of the attack) are extremely difficult to shut down. Even the claims of Ukrainian propaganda regarding what they allegedly were able to shut down are not as impressive as their many other propaganda claims.
It is also true that Russians have many different hypersonic systems. As far as I know this includes all ICMBs which are hypersonic in the terminal phase. But these cannot be used in any attack on Europe – they serve a different purpose. The same is true for a significant portion of the medium range arsenal, which needs to be kept ready for a nuclear counter-strike. For example it is said that Russians have approx. 150 Iskander launchers of various kinds. I would say in the best case scenario, where we assume they are all fully loaded, every missile launches successfully (which in Russia is not a guarantee), that is 300 missiles in one salvo. It is enough for Poland and the Baltics. Probably also Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary. But that’s that.
Please take a look at the new photos of Yuzhmash facilities in Dnipro. It will take many more than 1 missile per airport. And it’s not just Russian missiles – there was a case where US launched approx. 60 Tomahawks at an airfield in Syria and the attack was only semi successful. Plus, for a long time it was said that sophisticated machines like F-16 cannot operate from highways (this is something that Swedes perfected with their Grippens). But our AF has been testing that recently and it seems there were no issues. I read that in case of a sudden decapitation attack from Kaliningrad, in the worst case scenario we are expected to save 25% of our F-16s. Everybody else in Europe will be much more successful, because they are further away.
To close this argument, let me say that Ukrainians are still flying combat aircraft. If Russians were capable of a decapitation strike against Europe, surely they would be able to do the same to the Ukrainian Air Force? But that has not happened. And it won’t happen to European NATO countries.
There’s only one realistic Russian option for escalation:
Pollute near space.
This would destroy satellite networks, space stations, etc. with bags of sand sent up in either rockets or high-altitude launches (USAF 1984 F-15 LEO take-out example).
This would prevent the USA from its (likely) ultimate escalation, that is Rods From God dropped onto the Kremlin, and likely other capitals in the world – possibly all of them as this is a one-time stunt.
The use of Rods From God would likely result in someone (China?) polluting space with sand.
Russia could get the jump here – but let’s be honest it’s a big step and it hurts their plans (even peaceful ones) for decades, maybe centuries, such as the soviet-era space mirrors.
This is as incongruous as the baubles the other guy is writing.
The Russian army has not captured Kharkhov yet, because it cannot.
The Ukrainian army (AFU) blocks its passage, from the North in Volchansk, and from the East in Kupiansk and over the Oskil river.
Even after the Russians are going to eventually take Kupyansk, they’ll have to fight their way to Izyum and Balakleya, against the AFU making a stand at every village, forest, stream on the way to those towns.
And even if the Russians make it to those cities, they’ll have much expanded the frontlines length.
Assuming that in the future, the Russians will deploy the same number of troops as today or slightly more, with such an advance they’ll find themselves overstretched. To the point that any sortie from Balakleya against Kharkhov is going to be inadvisable, because it would expose the flanks to counterattacks, just as it happened in September 2022.
For sure I have read the most naive takes in this thread. Dunning-Kruger effect hitting really hard on most of you. I would leave aside the talk of “Oreshniks” and missile strikes, and focus on basic infantry common sense if I were you
Sir, thank you for your comment.
The day after the Pearl Harbor attack, December 8th, 1941, my father was stacking cans with his father in a grocery store in northern California. As my Dad told me, President Roosevelt’s speech to Congress could be heard from loudspeakers in that store.
His father had been a “doughboy” in the first “World War.” (I have a small photograph of him with his bayonet, with his handwriting on the back — to my grandmother — “Here is your little soldier.”)
There, in December, 1941, my grandfather told my father, “Don’t get drafted!” So, my Dad signed up for the navy. Well, thanks to God, that worked out well, because they sent my future father to Cornell University for engineering school and officer training. (I think Dad must have scored high.)
I would not exist if not for all of that: When the war ended, my father’s destroyer was docked in Jacksonville, Florida, where my mother was working at a drug store. Dad asked that pretty, Southern, blonde out for a date. Years later, I was born. Thank you, Japan. LOL.
There have been plenty of lies spread about, in the past few years, claiming this or that constituted a provocation. Yet even to the extent that some of the narratives might have been partially true, none of them ever constituted sufficient grounds to wage a brutal and protracted war. Constant insinuations, beginning four days after the unsuccessful military coup, threatening a nuclear escalation, have been additional provocations. Those who still try to defend Putin at this point have no sense of proportionality and come across as naïve.
I have addressed your objections in great length in prior threads. Putin simply miscalculated and decided to double down to preserve his power. A peace agreement coerced under duress, while troops or paid mercenaries are committing atrocities and continuing their offensive, is invalid anyway. It is ridiculous to try to blame the ongoing war on Boris Johnson.
Putin’s ambition to undo the breakup of the USSR was publicly expressed in March 2018. (This was under Trump’s presidency.) Considering the implications, such a statement was itself a provocation that most Europeans failed to take seriously. Last October at a conference in Kazan Putin basically justified the war to a BBC reporter by claiming that Russia had not been sufficiently respected:
“Russia was ignored by the West, which attempted to assign to Russia a status of a semi-independent country, a mere provider of resources.”
If Russia did not have more to offer on the international marketplace, other than basic resources, this is certainly not the fault of “the West“, yet this complaint reveals Putin’s rationale for wanting to take over those countries that have a stronger industrial base. It highlights a completely outmoded and corrupt attitude. All of these false projections blaming “the West” for having caused Putin’s war are transparently ridiculous.
(*Watch the short video below titled ‘Russia wiped out 100 HIMARS and NATO’s Elite’):
I watched the video.
Ritter never claimed that Russia wiped out 100 HIMARS.
That really never made any sense and in fact Ritter has talked about how they are difficult to target.
So you posted some hacked up Russian propaganda video without even watching it.
In fact I did some research and it turns out that Ukraine doesn’t have 100 HIMARS. They have closer to 50.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/03/04/the-us-is-starving-ukraines-himars-where-can-kyiv-get-more-rockets-for-its-best-launchers/
Great job. Now call me a Jew out of frustration with reality and punch out for the day. Go have a Foster’s and watch some footy on the tele.
It’s pretty obvious that Ukraine is already effectively in NATO.
If someone gives Ukraine nuclear weapons (which may have already occurred), then they will actually be in a better position than the vast majority of countries in NATO.
Thanks for the video, which proves my point and makes quite a mockery of all the raving nonsense posted above making excuses for Russia’s poor performance in the war. Here we have poorly-trained Ukrainian conscripts shooting down Russia’s most advanced attack helicopters with MANPADs from the 1970s. How are they going to fare against NATO troops with modern weaponry?
Let’s be realistic. The Ukrainians never had any hope of winning the war. But neither has Russia defeated them, even though their military is perhaps even more corrupt that its own and is staffed with inexperienced and terrified conscripts. The idea that the Russians haven’t taken Kharkov because “they don’t want to” is just cringeworthy. Come on now. It’s been three years and while they’ve certainly done an enormous amount of damage, they’ve not been able to defeat a significantly weaker enemy. They are simply not up to much.
The frustration because of our reckless and disastrous foreign policy is understandable. But I don’t think that this would be a good answer. It underestimates the effects of propaganda on the population generally, also on the elites. Their reaction would be to demand a total war. So, the danger of a war that would get out of control would be too big.
I think that we should discuss more such themes and try to reach more people. As I said before, I think that people who are well informed, who know how to communicate with a diversified public and can argue well should write short books about several important themes to be distributed to a larger number of people. Academic books are too long and complex for that. Policy can change if more people get critical information.
In the last times there is much more critic against the Small Country in Germany than before. A barrier was partially broken. How did this happen? There may be more than one reason. It was important that a professor who is a jurist for international law (Kai Ambos) was invited a few times to a talk show and spoke very decidedly saying and explaining that it is a genocide. A journalist also wrote critically and so on. Why protests in the UK attract so many people? I think that people are simply better informed because of the old discusssions in The Guardian. It’s not easy, but maybe this would be a way to change the worst aspects of our policies.
I know that to talk is easier than to do something. It would not be so easy to find people who have time, who are very well informed, who can communicate, and who can argue well but we should try because there are only few options.
It’s pretty obvious that Ukraine is already effectively in NATO.
No that is not obvious when they don’t have NATO troops and have been given third generation weapons.
Germany still won’t give them the Taurus.
NATO countries gave them a motley assortment of weapons. A de facto member would have been given F-35s and the latest howitzers.
The US has 1,707 F-35s. An outrageous use of taxpayer money and 99% of them will probably never be used in combat.
Ukraine was given zero F-35s. They have been given F-16s from the 80s and some were in a state of disrepair.
Last I read the US hasn’t even given them F-16s. They were from European countries.
For the most part it has been NATO countries clearing out old inventory.
Conventional wars take longer than that, especially when you’re trying to minimize civilian casualties. The Russian Army could’ve strolled in and blown everything to bits, but the local population in the Donbass would not be happy and they’d look bad. The slow grind is not so much a sign of weakness of the Russian Army, but more a strategic decision by the Kremlin and Vladimir Putin himself.
Genesis 19
24 And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.
25 And He destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth.
The current Russian leaders are Orthodox Christian and therefore they are careful to avoid WW3 Armageddon. Western analysts know this, so they keep escalating their proxy war. Russia maybe too weak to win a conventional war against the collective west. if the current Russian leaders lose power and are replaced by more belligerent rulers, then the unthinkable becomes possible.
the western rulers have legalized the abomination of sodomy, abortion, euthanasia, etc. they are actively seeking the annihilation of a nuclear war as just reward for their immoral policies in the name of “human rights” and they may actually get all of us killed. we are doomed unless the western rulers change course or the people rise up and mete out justice. the rulers are either wicked or stupid, or both.
Let’s be realistic. The Ukrainians never had any hope of winning the war. But neither has Russia defeated them, even though their military is perhaps even more corrupt that its own and is staffed with inexperienced and terrified conscripts.
Their best hope was for someone like Prigozhin to topple Putin. A divided Russia was their best play.
Russia obviously outnumbers Ukraine and has the larger military.
But the drones have really changed the battlefront. Putin continues to take land but at a much higher price than at the start of the war. Russian POWs describe being constantly attacked by drones as they are pushed to take land in human wave attacks. Is this a sustainable strategy that will get them to Kiev or even Odessa? Of course not. But Putin is probably hoping that a front collapses at some point. He is imagining a WW2 Ostfront where the entire German line was on the run.
I see even more problems for Putin as he pushes West. The more time he gives the cities the more time they can prepare defensive measures. A dozen hidden drone operators can easily inflict hundreds of casualties until they are discovered or have to flee. This makes urban warfare even harder for the attacker. Ukraine can still bleed Russia into an Afghanistan style quagmire. Leaving a free Ukraine makes the war all the more pointless. Putting a flag on the smoldering ruins of Eastern Ukraine was not the goal of the war according to Putin’s invasion speech. But Putin’s fans shouldn’t be surprised if he raises a “mission accomplished” flag on the rubble of Russian speaking cities while a free Western Ukraine joins the EU. Oh and NATO will have expanded by two states.
Bang up job there Putin.
It’s very simple. Let The North Atlantic Terror Organization be the one seen to escalate up every step of the ladder with their criminal actions, war crimes, assassinations and sneak attacks. All the world can not only see what is really happening, but they can see how the Western media shamelessly lies and tries to spin the facts to suit their agenda.
Meanwhile, continue the war of attrition in the Ukraine, forcing the aforementioned terror organization to outspend you 10,000:1 -hastening their own bankruptcy and collapse as they rush headlong off the cliff.
In other words, never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
I wondered how long it would take you to enter the room with the latest installment of The Word from the Biblicism Institute. One day the sun will rise in the west, and you will publish an original comment with no ingredients from the Mother Church of Biblicism.
It is flawed reasoning to say that because the Russians could not capture Kharkov they could not win a conventional war.
The Entente had made little progress on the Western Front before 1918 and were losing large swathes of territory the Spring before the Hundred Days offensive. If we’re to believe Western historians, the Germans lost large numbers of men on defense holding relatively static lines in the years 1916-1917, in greater proportion to enemy losses than they suffered in catastrophic defeats such as Bagration. (another reason why we should NEVER believe statistics put out by English speaking authorities)
The Zionists have still not cleared out Gaza. Yet we can see they could conceivably decimate Iran’s strategic assets with conventional arms, if the Iranians started firing missiles at them to force them to quit the war in Gaza.
The Russians have avoided the sort of risks and sacrifices required to overwhelm the Ukrainian defenses in a swift campaign. Putin can’t afford a massive offensive that leads to tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of casualties in short order, even if it were to knock the Ukrainians out. Putin is unwilling to take the risk, at this stage, as Ukraine is NOT THE PRIMARY MILITARY THREAT.
It would seem that there was a large element of appeasement in Putin’s decision to scale back the war and withdraw from much of the captured territory. And a lack of determination to hold on to captured territory, as shown when the Ukrainians were able to push the Russians back from a very large swathe of territory and the city of Izium.
The Russians were trying to pretend this was a local, low intensity war. Crazy, but marketing war propaganda leads to crazy decisions.
The official DoS document from December, 2024, listed: “More than 40 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and ammunition”, whereas Oryx lists 7 as destroyed or damaged.
The disconnect from reality of many of the commenters here is rather surprising.
I think the reality is that the Russian military and leadership DID NOT take the war seriously and may still not be taking the serious measures necessary to win.
WWI Germany would have had deep underground fortifications and drone resistant communications all along the front by now, and they would have likely have attempted, and succeeded, in developing Sturm and Shock tactics for seizing strategically significant tracts of land. The Russians seem to have improved their tactics, but they are moving slowly, much too slowly.
That isn’t to say they should engage in reckless or precipitate movements. Obviously I’m in no position to give advice, but as the casual observer, it is APPARENT they have been moving very slowly, TOO SLOWLY to end this war in a reasonable time frame. So slowly as to EMBOLDEN the enemy and give ignorant people (the sickening fools who run the global kike-empire) the impression that the Russians are not capable of putting up a serious fight against the United States.
Would the German Army have left 600 men in an improvised barracks to be killed by HIMARS? Those men would have been 50 feet underground in concrete shelters.
So if the Russians and Chinese used spies to destroy B-52s (suppose for the sake of argument B-52s, not necessarily the same B-52s, were being used to attack some third party) on the ground in the United States, and pretended the attack was masterminded and carried out by agents of the third party, then it wouldn’t be reckless?
Strategic aircraft parked out in the open under Treaty obligations, FAR from the front. These bombers were not at the front. The message is clear – we will attack anything, anywhere, without limitations, we will carry out acts of war against your country, not mere terrorism, but attacks on strategic assets, and you will lay supine on the ground.
Now that sort of act is the DEFINITION OF RECKLESS. Like kicking, slapping, spitting on a man with a loaded gun in the holster. (“but he would never dare shoot me because we’d both die!” – nevertheless continually making moves that are almost as bad as grabbing the gun in the holster)
Also not a military expert, but it seem to me there is a huge overblown fetish about ‘hypersonics’ at the moment.
The ‘ordinary’ Iskanker missile is hypersonic by the arbitrary definition of > Mach 5 (Mach 6).
The point of the Oreshnik is not so much that it is ‘hypersonic’, but its range. It is an intermediate-range ballistic missile, which can carry nuclear warheads. Oreshnik’s target is Europe, not Ukraine. Basically, Russia has said, OK you withdrew from the INF, this is the result.
The idea that with conventional warheads, the Oreshnik can match the destructive power of a nuclear warhead is absolutely ridiculous. Ron, pull out your Physics textbooks and do some calculations (they are on the web in any case). The energy of the conventional Oreshnik warheads is miniscule compared to the smallest nuke.
By the way, the old-fashioned ICBM warheads fall at ~ Mach 20. The new trick is Russia’s Avangard warhead, which can maneuver and make it more difficult to hit. But, be sure if the ICBM’s are launched, everyone will be destroyed, including Russia, no matter the S-400, S-500, or whatever number they get up to.
Last but not least in Russia’s arsenal is the Kinzhal, basically a modified Iskander, launched from a supersonic plane. This is a formidable weapon, and is probably harder to shoot down than Iskander, but you may have noticed that the Patriots in Kiev cannot bring the Iskanders down. I don’t think Russia has more than a few hundred though.
Maybe Russia could defeat NATO. But just saying the word ‘hypersonic’ over and over is not a convincing argument.
Do you have a link to any useful Yuzhmash photos?
I don’t know if Russia will be able to refuse, because USA/NATO is determined to make this happen. They thought it would happen a lot sooner, in fact, and they thought Kiev would be in ruins like Gaza when it did.
So Russia is obviously playing some sort of long game here, not responding to goading from USA. I believe Sun Tzu said something to the effect that if you’re responding to the enemy’s provocations, then he is in control of your army. Paraphrasing, might have been someone else. Scott Ritter quoting someone?
I thought all you NAFO people had been sent to the front? The ones I’ve been getting on Reddit lately have all been retards, obviously ruled unfit even by Ukraine standards.
What better way to get revenge on your enemies then to get them to fight each other.
It’s not a coincidence that the leader of Ukraine is Jewish.
It’s not a coincidence that its the Jewish controlled congress in the U.S who want the war to continue in Ukraine, to kill and displace as many Ukrainians as possible, it’s no coincidence that Mossad operates in Ukraine.
Remember Ukrainians were some of the best killers for the Nazi’s against the jews…this was because the Jews, under Bolshevism, were the most ruthless killers of Ukrainians.
They never forget these jews and seek revenge, sometimes hundreds of years later, so should all others do the same to them. Never forget what they have done.
Having looked into biowarfare a little recently (gee, I wonder what piqued my curiosity), it seems more and more likely that it is devilishly difficult to create a bioweapon that will reliably kill a large % of the population. The best they did with the COVID bioweapon was about a 10% case fatality rate with Iran’s quite elderly Supreme Council or whatever it’s called, in Qom.
Even the injected bioweapon they coerced 5 billion people into taking had only a 0.1% fatality per dose rate (short term), and that was designed to make your immune system attack your heart. So I don’t know if they can terrorize all of humanity into submission with threats of bioweapon deployment.
Where they’ve done very, very well with bioweapons is attacking monoculture big ag, because if you have a million hectares all planted with genetic clones of one plant, if you can make that plant sick, you’re going to wipe out entire states. They’ve done well with attacks on livestock also, they have made China cull their chicken and pig populations multiple times. The point isn’t to cause China to collapse, merely to slow their growing economy. To cause economic pain and hardship.
Well, I’ll admit I haven’t paid much attention to the operational details of the endless Ukraine war. But my impression is that the Ukrainians only have a handful of old F-16s, and they’ve played a minimal role in the combat. So it’s hardly difficult for them to shift them around in a few locations here and there, or even perhaps regularly base them in NATO countries such as Poland or Romania.
That’s an entirely different situation from NATO’s many thousands of ultra-modern, very high-performance, high-maintenance aircraft. Supposedly the F-35s have huge mechanical problems all the time, so I’m not sure how well they would function from highways.
Also, NATO’s entire military doctrine has been built around the assumption that they can totally rely upon control of the air and air support. If that’s not the case, they could have huge problems.
Attacking a major NATO facility in Europe would be a terrible move for Russia and seems certain to cause a Western overreaction instead of sober reflection. Moreover, Russia does not have the ability to protect her crown jewels (Moscow and Saint Petersburg) against fully committed NATO retaliatory strikes, so the threat of such strikes brings the situation to the MAD threshold. It took fifteen years for the West to create the Ukraine mess (2000-2015) and it simply cannot be fixed quickly. Russia could destroy Ukraine but with massive loss of civilian life and property destruction which they are obviously intentionally avoiding.
The SMO is more like a delicate hostage extraction than it is a scorched earth war. Russia is in sight now of a credible endpoint which would be capture of most territory East of the river. I doubt she will stop fighting this year, but could do so if the situation warranted this, while still retaining internal political credibility. Most likely Russia will keep chipping away at AFU and NATO forces across the country while creeping forward toward the major cities in the East. Going slowly kills Ukrainian troops and gradually empties civilians from the cities.
Conventionally-armed Oreshniks are a “softening up” strike which has to be followed by more extensive conventional strikes. Russia does not have enough missiles to take out many NATO bases in Western Europe.
Be patient. We can hope for a cessation of hostilities next week, but more likely the SMO will go on for years.
Blackmail is a term I hadn’t heard before re Boris’s famous trip but it makes perfect sense. I wonder what it was, a threat to Z’s life? His overseas villas?
Which ones? The ones immediately after the attack? Or the more current ones?
The current ones are simply found on google maps.
Whereas a good post-strike analysis appeared on reddit, see for example this image and compare it to the new google images:
Thanks. I was hoping for some images of underground effects, if any. 🙂
Still early days to say that the Russian army cannot capture Kharkhov.
Remember Artemovsk (Bakhmut) or in the early days Mariupol? Their much-vaunted defenses ultimately fell. The Russians also showed that the strategic aims of the campaign where more important when they chose to leave Kherson, as it was mot profitable to control that city when it could be choked off. That proved correct as the Ukrainians themselves blew up the dam upstream leading to floods and cutting off lines of communications.
Based on the footage seen and the drone and artillery-rich environment, it is a hellish landscape for an infantryman. It is a nightmare just getting from point A to point B, just imagine the fighting in fortified objectives (FOFO) and fighting in built-up areas (FIBUA). To do so effectively, you need a certain concentration of troops and this takes time to gather without being observed and attacked. Hence, the relative slow speed in which some attacks are mounted.
Of course, the Russians can and will make mistakes but they have learned quickly and are focused.
The Russians will do what is necessary, and not for satisfying those with a need for speed nor for the sake of moving pins on the map.
My old buddy John Johnson asked me:
Nope. Putin made quite clear prior to the start of the SMO, and many times since, what his goals are: to prvent Ukraine from ever serving as a beachhead for NATO and to liberate the Donbass.
If the neo-Nazis would agree to that, we could have peace. But Zelensky is unwilling to buck the terrorists in the Azov Battalion or the terrorists who control NATO. And for obvious reasons: if he sues for peace he will probably be assassinated.
So, the Ukrainian men who weren’t smart enough to get out of the country are going to keep dying until the neo-Nazi effort collapses.
JJ also asked:
You mean, aside from retaliation for Zelensky hitting Russian strategic bombers?
When children are very, very bad they must sometimes be spanked.
Dave “The Fizz” Miller in Sacramento
Indeed, Ukrainians have only a handful of F-16s, but they still also have Mig’s and Sukhoi’s. However, we are talking here about a result of over 3 years of war. For a more “apple to apple” type comparison, let me say that on the first day of the war, Ukrainians lost about 10% of their combat aircraft. Hardly a decapitation strike.
Now, I do not know about Romania, but none of Ukrainian aircraft ever enters Polish sky. When they train in Poland, they train on ours. And naturally they have been moving their aircraft around. This actually was a soviet standard procedure. In Poland in 1960/70s they adapted 21 fragments of roads for emergency military operations (appropriately hardened and widened, with adapted lighting and parking for aircraft, etc). This was in addition to 59 military airfields that existed at that time (many of them playing a reserve role) and dozens more of civilian airfields, which could easily be converted to military use. Moving between them was practiced regularly.
Except for Sweden, I don’t think anyone in the West practiced regularly this hide and seek game after the Cold War. But since the start of the Ukrainian War (i.e., since 2014, as we count) moving aircraft around became again a priority. I read that we have rebuilt some of the highway landings to adapt them to our F-16s. And I read that F-16s have successfully used these landings in exercises. I have never said that F-35s can use them. No. But for a long time we were told F-16s are too delicate for our asphalt highways. Apparently that is not the case.
So to summarize, a decapitation strike on Poland would need to annihilate at the very least a dozen airfields/sites. Which can be done from Kaliningrad, but it would require a significant number of conventional warhead missiles, because aircraft is dispersed and usually protected from a side blast by ground barriers around their parking sites (nobody in Poland bothers to build bunkers for aircraft, as it is assumed that if a precision strike hits the bunker, even if there is no penetration, it will create enough secondary damage inside to render aircraft inoperational). And I’m sure Russians will have enough missiles left to go after Czechia, Finland, or Slovakia. But that still leaves about 1000 more modern aircraft in the rest of European NATO.
I am sorry, but with all due respect, NATO does have a near total control over the skies of Europe. Russia could only put a dent in this with their conventional weapons. Which again is not that surprising if you think about what happened in Russian in the past 30 years. Due to the scarcity of resources, they decided to invest heavily in their nuclear forces, thinking naively that nobody will touch them, because of the fear of nuclear retribution. Well, they clearly have not played the same games that Americans are playing.
Instead, the game that Russians played was the so called “nuclear deescalation”. I.e., a limited nuclear hit on Poland to let everyone know they are serious, but hoping that nobody in Washington or New York will care that much about a few hundred thousands dead Poles to start WW3. For this Russians are ready and they have all the tools they need.
Sinking US carriers (even far from port) WOULD entail the loss of thousands of American lives. NOT a “brushback.”
I think the demonstrator Russian missiles (NATO/Brussels and carrier both) should have (announced) blank (non-explosive) warheads. The point is, the hits CAN be made, and CAN’T be stopped. They’d do PLENTY of damage. Meantime, nothing “really warlike.” Right?
No, I have not seen any. But Yuzhmash was also hit in 2022 with Iskander, achieving underground penetration – there are some photos from that strike online (surface photos).
Strategic aircraft parked out in the open under Treaty obligations, FAR from the front. These bombers were not at the front.
Ukraine is not part of that treaty and those aircraft were legitimate military targets. Those Su-34s had been used against Ukraine which was not mentioned by Ritter who made it sound like they were loaded with nuclear weapons. They were far from the front because Ukraine had attacked them with drones when they were closer.
As a reminder it was Russia that invaded Ukraine.
You and other posters seem to think that Ukraine needs to follow arbitrary rules that just happen to favor Putin.
Russia has targeted Ukrainian planes that were sitting in the open.
Why can’t Ukraine do the same? Cause…….??? Russia has the second largest military in the world and yet so many here seem to think they need special rules like a handicapped kid.
Here is a way for Russia to stop losing planes: Go home.
Very similar to how burglars can avoid getting shot. Don’t break into someone else’s house.
Well, what would you call a NATO attack on Russia’s strategy nuclear deterrent plus a serious attempt to assassinate Putin?
Obviously, forceful Russian retaliation is required to reestablish full deterrence. I’ve proposed what I consider the least-dangerous approach, namely the destruction of a symbolic, empty building that would simultaneously demonstrate that Russia has achieved strategic military superiority over NATO.
But perhaps you have a better suggestion.
As for the vulnerability of Moscow or St. Petersburg, Russia has excellent air defenses, but I’m sure they could be overwhelmed if NATO really sought to do so.
But from everything I’ve read, NATO air defenses are very weak, so if Moscow were hit, what would stop retaliatory strikes against London, Paris, or Berlin, let alone DC and NYC? Two can play at that game, and I think NATO would realize that.
If The West was really interested in building something with Russia, it would not have ignored Russia’s pleas for 20 years about a security system in Europe that EVERYONE could be happy with. Instead, the sanctimonious, hegemonic West ignored with disdain, and proceeded to PROVOKE Russia.
Remember when former Sec. of State James Baker III promised Gorbatchov that Nato would not expand 1 inch to eastwards to persuade Gorbatchov to accept the reunification of the 2 Germanys? Gorbatchov agreed, so what did Uncle Sam do in typical Uncle Sam style? It placed a dagger in Russia’s back and proceeded to get rapid Nato expansion eastwards. And those provocations are still going on today.
Is Putin a choir boy? Far from it. In fact, from your line of argument one can only conclude he is the most evil monster on Earth whereas all the successive leaders of the so-called democratic West are choir boys and have never done any harm to countries – actually, you are right about the glorious West, if we leave aside the death and destruction it inflicted on West Asia, Afghanistan, Serbia, Libya, Korea, Vietnam, etc.
Like I said, you are merely parroting the MSM line, i.e the Western governments’ line. I have not time for that crap, if I did I would read the NYT, Wapo, and all the rest of that crap.
This convo is over. Have a nice day.
The Israelites just launched a drone 1,000 miles east of Moscow, targeting a factory, killing several people and injuring dozens: https://www.rt.com/russia/620812-donetsk-missile-attack-victims/
This is what the entire population of Russia will face for dozens of years to come. No citizen will be safe anywhere. Subjectively speaking, Putin has “screwed over” Russia (or am I wrong?). And, as every citizen who is attacked is looking up towards G-d, waiting to die from the injury, he will scream “Damn those National Socialists and Anglo-Saxons!”, for Putin passed a law making it a legal requirement for every Russian citizen to believe that they are NOT at war with the Israelites, but the Anglo-Saxons and National Socialists. So, Russian citizens will die not ever knowing who actually killed them, not ever seeing the true faces of their killers.
Of course, I may be wrong and Putin may indeed have a solid plan to relatively quickly win this war. He publicly talks with 100% pure concentrated confidence and determination. Is it all just an act?
In any case, I don’t make my comments without extreme sympathy for Russians – living in USA, I can’t even imagine what it could be like to live in a nation that is directly being attacked by a warring nation/empire, knowing that every morning I go to work, that could be the day the enemy sends a drone to my workplace that will blow off my arms or legs or both. I don’t even have 0.0001 % of the courage Russians have and would immediately face an emotional breakdown in such an environment. The Israelites are so genetically brilliant that they don’t just use explosives, but hire mass assassins – recall how several men with machine guns were sent into a massive concert stadium in Moscow during a performance by a nationally popular alternative rock band. The men killed around 130 people in the audience, and the band members disappeared.
Exactly!
Oh, and I had forgotten the Bayesian…check out this blog (it’s in Italian but with a translator it should be readable enough):
https://www.lacrunadellago.net/i-misteri-del-bayesian-i-servizi-segreti-inglesi-sono-entrati-prima-nel-relitto/
Boris did not need to make a threat to Z’s life, a gentle reminder of total abandonment by the West and no top-ups of his Swiss bank account were sufficient. Threats against his life were made by the neo-Nazis he surrounded himself with.
See if you can follow along:
Russia invaded Ukraine (never mind the background), and the two nations are currently engaged in armed conflict — the aircraft attacked by Ukraine are used as missile carriers, i.e. they take off and launch cruise missiles aimed at targets in Ukraine — in particular, the Tu-95s hit at Olenya have flown hundreds of these sorties, launching hundreds of cruise missiles that have no doubt done great damage in Ukraine — therefore those aircraft are legitimate targets, whether they are nominally part of Russia’s ‘strategic nuclear deterrent’ or not, and no matter where and how they are parked, and why they are parked that way.
I’m sure the Ukrainians appreciated that the aircraft were ‘parked out in the open under Treaty obligations’, which made them easier to target — as for aircraft ‘parked FAR from the front’, e.g. in Irkutsk, the Russians could conceivably rotate or re-deploy them for use in attacking Ukraine, there is no reason they could not do this — so they were also legitimate targets.
War is a tough business, you have to be ready to take it (and learn hard lessons) as well as dish it out — it is best left to men, not hysterical faggots like you — Russia is run by men who understand these things.
Excellent analysis.
Not endless and not even too long.
The best comparative is the Second Chechen War, also directed by Putin. The Second Chechen War lasted 10 yr, with 2 yr of intense military operations, and 8 yr of complete cleaning up.
And the result was a complete Russian victory and an absolute transformation of Chechnya from fanatic anti-Russian takfiri into fanaticx Russian warriors.
Ukraine is many times larger than Chechnya and it’s much closer to Western supply lines so there is an unavoidable stretching of operational timelines.
Actually, yes.
As I wrote in comment #20, what if the Russians had been retaliating by surgically taking out key people in Western intelligence/military (for example, sinking yachts with them onboard, like those I mentioned – and as stated in my above reply to Miro23, I had forgotten about the Bayesian…)
If we assume that the warmongers are a restricted number of people (imagining the chain of command: the real puppeteers behind the scenes, some key people in intelligence/military/contractors, most of the politricks and presstitutes), then we could also suppose what follows:
1) the puppeteers might be out of reach and taking them out might prove too difficult
2) politricks and presstitutes operate out in the open, so on the one hand, any deployment of violence against those would give the other side’s propaganda machine a field day. And on the other hand, both are a dime a dozen, so eliminating them wouldn’t make any difference as they would easily be substituted with more of the same
3) leaving the intelligence/military/contractors key people: they operate in the dark, so no chance for the other side to unleash the propaganda machine; and differently than with politricks and presstitutes, their number is not infinite – it takes many years and resources to train and form them
I’m just a humble Truth Seeker trying to read between the lines and find an order in the apparent chaos, so I could be completely wrong of course.
Perhaps it’s all theater as many say, and everything has already been written and decided.
But what if my hypothesis were true?
What if the Russians (…and Chinese…?) had already been targeting the latter group of people for a few years?
Very quiet, yet very painful retaliation.
Which BTW would fit the Eastern mindset much more than any flamboyant, outrageous action.
Just my .02…
I called’m sneaky, if not cowardly for hiding behind Ukraine.
If Western leadership feel so strongly about Russia and cancel all things Russia like teenage girls shunning one of them for a petty offense, why not attacking directly? What’s holding NATO back? Why hiding behind a proxy? The proxy is begging for NATO direct engagement. The proxy is begging to be accepted in NATO.
All of this reflect Western weakness, but mind-controlling mass media is making you think that Russia is the apparently weak one for not retaliating to those sneaky attacks.
Don’t let them influence you. Read the comments of your wise commenters and read Bernhardt at MoA and his commenters. Everything will be illuminated (Schreiber, 2005).
Only obvious for observers without military knowledge, as you have admitted you are.
Just process this: don’t do what your enemy wants you to do, ignore provocations, stick to plan if the general direction is in your favor, things like that.
Putin can do that because his position as top dog in Russia is secure, next pres elections are in 2030.
Russians in general may want a direct demonstration of power against NATO, together with you, P.C. Roberts, and many others, but Putin will not risk a very secure and very big win (over half a million square km, full of prime agricultural and mineral resources) to please the masses.
Lacking Daisies, you’ve hit it on the head.
We’re hearing the usual nonsense from the apologists for the Anglo-Zionist empire and that poisonous dwarf Zelensky (like Jewish John’s Johnson) that claim the GDP of the U.S and the snivelling NATO vassals is so great, that their military expenditure is so enormous relative to Russia, that the latter would stand no chance in a hot war with NATO.
Of course, much of the U.S GDP (and that of the NATO countries to a lesser extent), is frivolous financialised fluff that will not assist them in military terms. And what isn’t financialised fluff is spent on consumer items and other hedonistic pursuits.
For the U.S in particular, the bulk of the money allocated to the military in the budget never gets to the coal face. The ZOG misfits that have controlling interests in the Defence contractors end up siphoning* it off.
(*Donald Rumsfeld announced the day before 9/11 that $2.3 trillion of Pentagon spending was unaccounted for. Well, over the last 24 years that has blown out to over TWENTY TRILLION that has gone missing without a trace, by many estimates).
HOW THE EFF DOES $20 TRILLION GO MISSING?
Answer: Obviously only 10 or 15 cents on the dollar at most of appropriations for the military actually get to the intended destination. Which explains the debacle of the F-35 lemon and all manner of other U.S made weapons of death that just don’t eff’n work.
Now, I want to touch upon something that should never be underestimated when assessing the combat efficacy of a nation’s combat troops. And that is MORALE.
The mighty German Wehrmacht had it in spades, because they knew they were fighting a just cause against the Anglo-Zionist empire and Judeo-Bolshevism.
Now, let’s compare the U.S military today with that of the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After Mossad perpetrated its False Flag, many Americans that had been brainwashed into believing that ‘ragheads’ had attacked America, enlisted in droves in the Armed Forces.
These were REAL MAN, individuals like Pat Tillman (pictured below):
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1pz0vr.img?w=890&h=550&m=4&q=75
Well, Pat Tillman went to Afghanistan and saw that the war was all a sham. They weren’t fighting terrorism. They were guarding the poppy fields and ensuring that the CIA pocketed billions from the drug trade.
So Tillman told everyone he was going back stateside to reveal the scam to the American public.
So ZOG killed him. (Officially it’s claimed he died from friendly fire – but that’s not true).
And, in the decades post 9/11, many combat vets have left the service in disgust.
A hell of lot have committed suicide in the interim (far more took their lives than all the U.S combat deaths in every theatre of war combined over the last 50 years).
Although its tapered off somewhat in recent times, 22 vets were suiciding EVERY DAY at one point – that’s over 8000 per year:
https://beforeitsnews.com/military/2013/02/22-vets-commit-suicide-everyday-2449414.html
Those of you making these ridiculous claims that the U.S/NATO would clean up the Russians (based on GDP comparisons and such), should wake the fuck up.
You fools have no idea what the U.S and its servile puppets would be in for.
All of you, to a man, are chicken hawks that talk a big game, but would never volunteer to fight yourself if you were of military age, or send your sons and daughters into the meat grinder.
they need special rules like a handicapped kid.
Ukraine is not fighting the war by itself. The USA (Britain, etc) wants to carry out acts of war against Russia while retaining the immunity of peace.
Those “special rules” (ie, treaties) are not special to Russia. Indeed, if the same thing were done to the USA, we know what the reaction would be.
You are mistaken.
The Russians will not attempt to ‘capture’ Kharkov – they will merely bypass it in the event that they wish to progress to another venue further west.
Once it’s surrounded and subject to a siege, it will capitulate of its own accord as food/fuel/munitions supplies run out.
As for this comment of yours:
The Russians will have to ‘fight their way’ and ‘the AFU will make a stand’?
Are you kidding me? The AFU is a directionless rabble and their conscript geriatric and school boy army is crumbing as we speak – deserting in their scores of thousands.
This is NOT an army that will be making prolonged stands any time soon.
Now, I concede that there are formations of mercenary soldiers (ie: dumb Poles, those from the Baltic nations and other western European/North American – and a few stupid Aussies – young fools seeking fame and fortune, all hired with ZOG conjured central bank billions), which will make up pockets of resistance here and there.
But they will be wiped out in merciless artillery barrages/drone strikes by the mighty Russians in quick time.
Or more likely surrender in their thousands. Yes, these quivering and frightened wretches will crawl out of their trenches in terror in the aftermath of witnessing countless numbers of their comrades dismembered before their very eyes.
Lacking Daisies, you’ve said some good things in other comments, so it’s a pity that you’re making these foolish assertions here.
Let’s see if the Russians attempt to take Kharkov as you allege.
(ie: in the manner that the Wagner mercenary army took Bakhmut in 2023 – suffering thousands of casualties in the process).
Subsequent events will determine which one of us was right.
I call you that because you are evidently a malignant Jew.
Other UR readers will concur that, whether it’s sticking up for ZOG owned Big Pharma and its toxic clot shots during the Covid Psyop, smearing mighty Russia and throwing your support behind the Judeo-Ukrainian regime of the poisonous dwarf Zelensky or whatever, you NEVER FAIL to cover for ZOG orchestrated depravity.
Let’s take the examples of the greatest crime of the second half of the 2oth century (the JFK coup d’etat), the greatest crime of the 21st century so far (the 9/11 False Flag), or the tall tale otherwise known as the Holohoax.
These matters have featured in dozens of articles in UR over the years.
But there is one individual (someone that has posted 20,ooo comments), yet is NEVER found in those threads calling out the ZOG perpetrators of these crimes/hoaxes.
WHY IS THAT Mr John’s Johnson? Why are you afraid to call out ZOG malfeasance?
Let’s look at some of the high profile politicians and commentators over recent years that have been ‘All-In’ advocating for support of the Ukrainian regime in this proxy war.
They are the likes of Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Mark Levine, Ben Shapiro and so forth.
These are YOUR PEOPLE.
ie: malignant Jews and shabbos goys in the employ of ZOG.
That should be sufficient info for any impartial observer to decide which side in this proxy war is the righteous one.
As for ‘frustration’, why would I be feeling that?
After all, the Iranians have been pummelling your precious Apartheid Israeli state into the turf.
Your beloved Ukrainian proxy army and mercenaries have been ground to dust (with minimal Russian casualties suffered in relative terms).
Concurrent with that the Anglo-Zionist empire is haemorrhaging and its economy will soon enough implode – coupled to loss of world reserve currency status for the USD.
These are all outcomes that are worthy of rejoicing over.
Those of us that oppose ZOG are all euphoric over those outcomes.
It is you my Jewish non-friend who is seething with rage and frustration.
All of your predictions, all of your desired outcomes, none of them have come to pass.
John’s Johnson, you haven’t gotten a single substantive thing right over the last few years.
Capt. Kirk’s Bride writes:
So let me ask you these questions Mr/Ms Bride:
1) Is the Russian conduct of this war without precedent?
In that there has NEVER been a conflict of this magnitude in the modern era (or even one a small fraction as large – in terms of combat deaths/artillery rounds expended/munition and military hardware deployed), that has had such a low civilian mortality rate?
(And, bear in mind that the vast majority of civilians killed in this war were murdered by the Ukrainian forces and their mercenaries – in the Kursk salient, in eastern Ukraine etc).
Absent that the civilian death tally would’ve been minuscule.
2) Is it possible to capture Kharkov in a typical frontal assault, without simultaneously causing IMMENSE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES and loss of life amongst the non-combatants?
Answer: Of course not.
And it we believe that V.V. Putin is committed to minimising the loss of life among civilians (and everything he’s done so far ABSOLUTELY SCREAMS THAT from afar), then there will be no massive bombardment/artillery assault on the city.
Not now, not ever.
Because it’s one thing to win a particular battle (easy enough with an unrelenting Shock and Awe campaign), but it’s yet another to WIN THE PEACE.
Putin is thinking for the long term. He wants life to return to normal in Ukraine after the war is won and ZOG is vanquished. After all, Ukraine will still border the Russian Federation post war.
So the LAST THING Putin wants is a neighbour seething with hostility on his doorstep.
Putin wants to resume friendly diplomatic and trade relations with this nation in the years to come.
Now, I’m not saying that Kharkov won’t eventually fall to the Russian Federation.
After being surrounded and subject to a siege, it will eventually surrender.
Ukrainian/mercenary forces within Kharkov may attempt a break out to relieve the siege, whereupon they will encounter Russian forces in OPEN COUNTRY.
In other words the Russians will wait for the Ukies/mercenaries to come to them, in a situation where the Russians are positioned in well fortified defensive positions.
And when that happens the Ukies (likely to be mostly mercenaries – seeing as the Ukie conscript army has no combat capability), will be torn to shreds.
This is what’s called fighting on your own terms.
No one dictates to the Russians how they will take up the fight – least of all nitwits and neocons like you Capt Kirk’s Bride.
You wonder where the trillion dollars a year goes? Not only overly-generous salaries working in the MIC for defense contractors (the highest pay in STEM) but the giant welfare program known as the U.S. military.
The cost to PCS/station a U.S. service-member to Daegu, Okinawa, Ramstein, etc., is $1 million a year. The U.S. has 100k service-members stationed in South Korea, Germany, and Japan alone (minus one in Japan, because last week a U.S. service-member, a black marine, was found guilty of sexually assaulting a Japanese girl https://english.kyodonews.net/articles/-/56092 ).
I know of guys deployed to Afghanistan a decade ago who were making six figures tax-free on the deployments. A lot of veterans get discharged with a “service-related disability” and get a $3k monthly check from the government. VA social workers try to convince every veteran he or she has PTSD, even if the veteran spent his or her time doing aircraft maintenance at Wright-Patterson, Andersen, or Hanscom AFB.
When you have the world’s reserve currency and take a 3% cut off of all production and sales globally, it’s orders of magnitude more perverse than ‘money’s no object’.
Sensible people recognize Ukraine is a proxy (pawn) fighting for the West against Russia. The nefarious involvement of Western organizations and money in Ukraine since 1991 has been widely discussed. This process was deployed to gradually increase any pre-existing Ukrainian polarization against Russia. In parallel, the West armed and trained the Ukrainian military with the goal of making it NATO interoperable. This was openly discussed. So when the West sponsored the Maidan coup in 2014 it was not a surprise. Of course the Western meddling and sniping at Russia was much more extensive than these few comments suggest and included meddling in Georgia, Belarus, the Baltics and the Stans. The Westerners who led these meddling efforts seemed to be proud of their efforts, so it always seems strange when ‘pro-Ukraine’ commenters pretend these things didn’t happen. Ukraine is a regime-change operation and everyone knows it. It is obviously a casus belli for Russia.
Ukraine would have collapsed a long time ago without Western support so the attack on the Russian strategic assets obviously has the approval of the West.
I understand your perspective but you may be expecting too much rationality from NATO leaders, even at the base level of self-preservation.
All the bold, demonstrative strikes I can think of also lead to tit-for-tat escalation. I think Russia needs to keep doing what they are doing in the SMO until Kiev throws off the Western parasites controlling the country.
On the other hand, if one expects the West to further escalate based on the lack of reaction to the strike on the bombers, then Russia should directly pre-empt the next Western escalation.
As the author says, he lacks military acumen. Trump is a billionaire, and being poor like us, is a fate worse than death. Billionaires do not think like us. Kim of DPRK (has 50 new modern solid fuel MIRV Topols)Hwasong-18 and 19, that can destroy our economy sufficiently enough to make Trump poor. Giddy Kim is just waiting for the nod. Stock markets throughout the world would crash and real estate values in California would be negative(Cobalt is very nasty stuff).
By the way, the PRC is close to Russia. The PLA will be marching on the streets of Taipei next year. Trump will only have strong words. He loves his children very much. Due to our economy running on software and our supply chains, it doesn’t take much to destroy it. Sooner than later this is coming. Remember boys and girls, first strike wins.
If several foreign powers carry out a strike on Russia, it can’t qualify as “Ukrainian” just by crossing your fingers and pretending. It was carried out by the intelligence agencies of western governments and Jews from Israel (who are not Western, but a race of asiatic goblins).
This is how any impartial, honest (ie non-Jewish, doesn’t smell like a Jew rat) must look at it. As a reckless, treaty breaking provocation by Western powers.
Well, there’s a common Internet term called “copium” and I think it might be relevant here.
Consider a reasonably plausible hypothetical. Suppose that the recent NATO attacks had gone a little better, successfully destroying 70-80% of Russia’s nuclear bomber fleet and also assassinating President Putin.
Presumably, based upon your reasoning, Putin’s successor should have declared “our current plan is still working!” and merely continued grinding away at the Ukrainian forces, capturing some obscure additional village ever couple of months or so.
Or are you suggesting that Russia should have done something different under those circumstances? If so, what?
Sure, if sneaky NATO attacks hiding behind a proxy were successful at the level that you exemplify, then there will be strong retaliation against NATO directly.
But they are not. So don’t be emotional, ignore noisy and failed provocations, don’t play for the masses and for the opinions of Western observers influenced by mind-controlling Western propaganda.
Keep the course. The prize is over half a billion square km of prime agricultural and mineral land and a large buffer in the West.
You also need to see the bigger picture.
The combo of Russia+capitalism is something new to the world. So large resource base, over 150 million individuals of White-Asian human stock, effective management.
Russia is now like America was once. The fear here in Westeros is that Russia will continue on that trajectory. So we are trying to put obstacles, slow down Russia’s capitalist development.
That’s the bigger picture.
Bringing copium into this is lame. I have already pointed out the big failure of Putin’s rule, something Russophiles avoid mentioning. I’ve also criticized Russophiles quite often here in your website.
My apologies, wrong URL, here is the correct one:
https://www.rt.com/russia/620820-izhevsk-plant-drone-strike/ My point was that Ukraine is going more and more East with their drone attacks. I personally don’t quite understand how a drone can make it that far across Russian land without being shot down.
Yes, that’s what the next Russian president should do in case of demise of Putin.
The alternative is gearing the Russian economy towards war, and once there is sufficient equipment to arm them and escort them, draft the Army reserve.
The Russian economy is still a fully civilian one, the SMO has had very little consequences so far in the everyday life of common people in Russia.
Can’t help but notice the disconnect between you people who have “given little attention to the operational details of the war”, and someone who has, is really so deep, that I don’t even understand where do you want to go with your hypothetical, what kind of supposedly absurd fallacy are you trying to unmask.
If you do want to understand the real power dynamics between the conflicting blocks of Russia and the West, you should spend more time tracking what happens on the battlefield, instead of grandstanding on missiles, nuclear weapons, and being all chuffed while calling in your support the worthless opinions of “experts” like Mershemeir, Jeffrey Sucks and all the other mouthbreathing boomers who rant about geopolitics on judge Napolitano show.
Well, first of all, you do not know if that drone has really traveled “that far across Russian land”: in many cases we do know these drones were released nearby the facility they strike. Second, we need to assume that most of Russian interior radar detection (and probably most of peripheral) is still based on analog devices, which were built for purposes different than detecting drones.
Simply speaking Russia went into this war completely unprepared, hoping to deal only with Ukraine. They were wrong and are now paying the price.
You must have a serious problem with logical reasoning. In early 1990 Baker was specifically referring to NATO troops not being stationed in eastern Germany, which is still the case now. Neither he nor Gorbachev anticipated the subsequent breakup of the USSR. Baker did not make a blanket promise, in perpetuity, that would be binding on successive presidents or the wishes of other countries. Such a retrospective expectation is just irrational and silly. In 1997 Russia acknowledged the right of countries to chose their security in an agreement with NATO signed in Paris.
In 1999, under Clinton, Poland, Czechia, and Hungary joined NATO in accordance with that agreement. For you to characterize this as “placed a dagger in Russia’s back” which just shows you have no clue about the actual circumstances that compelled the people in these countries to join that defense organization. Obviously they did not want to be subjugated by Russian military force again. Your insinuation seems to be that Russia ought to have a right to dictate to these countries, what they are not allowed to do, which is chauvinistic and justifiably rejected.
This hegemonic attitude expressed by Putin, who felt a need to invade other countries in order to exploit their resources, proves that the decision by these countries to join NATO was a smart choice, which is why Sweden and Finland also recently joined. You are trying to pretend that the United States forced all these countries to join when in reality the people know from experience that Russia cannot be trusted. Thanks to Putin, it is reasonable to assume that this sentiment will persist for many more decades. Maybe that’s what his worshipers mean when they talk about playing 4D Chess.
The background is crucially important.
Only morons believe Ukraine pulled off these strikes without NATO/US assistance and approval. That makes these strikes a strategic move between two heavily armed nuclear Superpowers and not just a tactical strike between neighboring countries.
Actual Russian doctrine is a lot less aggressive that this. It emphasizes the possibility of retaliatory strikes “when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.” Which is only natural, as Russians are neither overtly suicidal nor eager to put non-credible threats in their military doctrine.
So this is just a lie, and if you pressed the writer on this point, he would try to weasel out using that “could justify”; been there, done that.
This is even less true. The New START treaty specifically does not require this.
“The obligation not to use concealment measures shall not apply to cover or concealment practices at ICBM bases or to the use of environmental shelters for strategic offensive arms.”
Of course, if the treaty did require Russians to park their bombers outside, they withdrawn from it back in February 2023.
I only considered a couple of statements, but of course it’s just a drop in a bucket of lies and curious reader may find many others.
Hopefully the above (and the overwhelming probability that the author will not rush to defend himself here) sufficed to prove to anyone reading this that this article is written either by someone hopelessly slaved to foreign useful idiot propaganda, or simply by someone who does not have your interests in mind.
The AFU actually bested the Russian Army many times these past three years, mainly in defense but also while attacking, and on average is still a formidable force. Their expertise is in drone warfare, and in immediate infantry counterattacks on positions just assaulted by the enemy. They are the main reason why Russian advances are merely incremental.
It’s been 3 years that the Russians have been stopped at a salient around Seversk, against which they bashed their head with poor results and uncountable losses up until a month ago.
They still cannot pass in Chasov Yar, where the battle inside the city has been raging for 2 years now. This is a town with less than 20,000 inhabitants.
Ugledar itself took two years to capture, and is smaller than Chasov Yar.
On the other side, the Ukrainians have nearly surrounded and isolated the Russian garrison in Tjotkino in the Kursk region inside Russia. The Russian advance in Sumy now will suffer from having to detach men back to Kursk to defend Tjotkino.
Not to mention Russians were completely halted in Volchansk. Also, the glacial pace of their advance along and across the Oskil river.
So no, I don’t think the AFU is going anywhere in the short period. They will stand their ground and give a stiff fight. But sure they are receiving a lot of attrition from the Russians while at it.
Mercenaries are no more than a drop, in the ocean of the Ukrainian AFU.
Most mercenaries are Georgian and South Americans, then the Poles. Westerners are less numerous.
Still a few thousands of foreigners overall. Compare to the 700,000ish strong AFU.
I didn’t allege anything. The Russians won’t get to Kharkhov full stop. Not while the conflict is in its fighting stage.
It’s retarded to even talk about it, frankly. Battles are raging elsewhere, for other cities and towns. Your fixation with Kharkhov shows you are not really paying due attention to the events in Ukraine, and that you have a very shallow understanding of what is going on, and how military campaigns are waged. It’s cringeworthy for me to spend my time discussing this with you. I might as well discuss Shakespeare with a 6th grader.
Morgoth did that sleigh of hand whereby he declared he was too scared to keep his blog running with all you guys ranting in its forum section. Hence he closed the blog and got rid of the “community”, just to open a substack account a few months later, behind a paywall. So now we have the pleasure to have you disgorging your opinions here on TUR.
This might help your understanding: https://southfront.press/azerbaijan-as-a-base-for-ukrainian-drones-aliyev-gets-into-a-wedge-with-russia/
Also, the SBU has operatives and saboteurs inside Russia that used to travel to isolated places near military bases and release drones from there. Now I hear less about this though, but it’s easy to dig up articles about these people getting caught and arrested by Russian police on pro-Russian blogs or on Telegram.
Nope. Putin made quite clear prior to the start of the SMO, and many times since, what his goals are: to prvent Ukraine from ever serving as a beachhead for NATO and to liberate the Donbass.
Barely a half-truth.
He said that he needed to invade Ukraine to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO. That goal failed when Finland joined. Finland in fact shares more border with Russia than Ukraine.
He also never said he would liberate the Donbass. That is your own imagination and was not in his invasion speech.
After invading Ukraine he decreed DPR/LPR to be independent. He has since added them as vanilla territory to Russia. Why not give them the independence that he promised them?
You mean, aside from retaliation for Zelensky hitting Russian strategic bombers?
So you are saying that Putin will target civilians in retaliation?
That would include ethnic Russians in Kiev, correct? 30% of Kiev is Russian speaking.
Which means according to your definition he is trying to liberate ethic Russians in some areas and kill Russian civilians in other areas, correct? But you believe he is justified in doing that as they are acts of revenge against civilians?
They just showed him the video from Jamal Khashoggi at the Turkish embassy.
“demonstrate that Russia has achieved strategic military superiority over NATO”
In some sense, it does not matter what action Russia takes, since no matter what they do, they cannot demonstrate that they have achieved strategic superiority over NATO. The reason is simple: they do not posses such strategic superiority over NATO.
There are perhaps various interpretations of what a strategic superiority is, but I think that commonly it is understood to be the ability to either deter a war from happening or to win a war if that war actually takes place. Russians cannot do that:
1. They cannot deter a war, since they already started it. This war is ongoing, no matter how they are going to call it, and there is no end in sight. In fact the Russian performance in this war is rather bad. A visually documented site called Oryx has so far demonstrated Russian equipment losses of over 3000 destroyed tanks, 6000 destroyed APCs/IFVs/AFVs, or 1200 SPA/MLRS. This is a crippling level of losses. Russia also showed the world that it does not have a full control over its own territory.
2. Russians cannot win a conventional war with Ukraine. If they conventionally attack one of the NATO countries, they simply open up the doors to direct NATO air attacks on their forces, in addition to increased shipment of novel weapons to Ukraine.
3. The only thing Russians can currently do is to initiate a Mutually Assured Destruction. But you cannot call that a Russian win.
The background to/origin of the conflict is not ‘crucially important’ vis-a-vis whether these aircraft are legitimate targets (they are) — ‘only a moron’ would bring up the background of the conflict in that context.
Russia invaded, the war is on — NATO is aiding Ukraine — Russia is using the aircraft to attack Ukraine (a ‘crucially important’ fact), so the aircraft are legitimate targets — their nuclear deterrent value is close to null — it’s as simple as that.
What if Iran had shot down a B-2 with their S-300 and the help of previously contracted technical assistance from the Russians?
I said nothing about whether NATO played a role or not — they likely did, but so what? –the aircraft were being actively used in the war and so were legitimate targets — not a lot of assistance was needed — the location of the bases is known — anyone can see parked aircraft using commercial satellite images — Google Maps will show you the roads running nearby (the drones were transported in trucks) — what else was necessary? — perhaps real-time satellite intelligence to confirm the presence of aircraft before launching the drones — the rest was organization, and the Ukrainians have shown they are good at that, as well as using drones, which appeared to be FPV guided.
Lacking Daisies, what you wrote in your comment could well have been dictated word for word by the Judeo-Ukrainian propaganda ministry.
If even one-tenth of what you said was true (about the AFU making a mighty stand here and another one there, repelling the Russians each and every time), then why did this occur last year?:
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/about-51000-ukrainians-have-deserted-armed-forces-this-year/
It is clear to all that THIS HAS LONG AGO CEASED BEING A COHESIVE FIGHTING FORCE.
As I said before, the Ukrainians are now a directionless rabble. There’s no other way to describe it.
To the extent that the Russians have not taken certain towns and cities, is due to the fact that THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.
Are you not aware that early in the war the Russians were firing around five (5) times as many artillery shells as the Ukrainians?
Then, as the Ukies were close to running out, the U.S gave them their entire inventory.
They soon used up all of that.
So the U.S went hat in hand begging Apartheid Israel and South Korea for their stockpiles.
All the while the Russians (who western propaganda said would soon enough run low on artillery shells), actually upped the tempo of shelling.
And were firing seven or eight, and eventually ten or more times, as many artillery shells at the Ukies. And they have continued with the artillery barrage at these elevated levels.
Do you have ANY comprehension of the enormity of Russia’s military industrial capacity?
It absolutely dwarfs the collective output of the U.S and its servile vassals.
And if need be, the Russians can up the tempo of production a few notches more.
Simply put, the Russians are picking off the Ukies and their few remaining artillery pieces with this constant bombardment. To complement that they’re sending missiles and swarms of drones to pick off tanks, APC’s and supply convoys.
Check out the following brief video titled ‘Total Destruction: Russia Claims Almost 300 U.S. IFVs Obliterated’:
And, it’s not just hellfire being unleashed on IFV’s and Ukrainian ground forces, as this next video titled ‘Russia’s Massive Counterstrike—US-Made F-16 and MiG-29s Obliterated at Dubno Airfield!’ demonstrates:
You see, no need to engage them in a frontal assault.
Soon enough, those that aren’t killed or maimed by the artillery shelling/missile and drone strikes, will soon enough be rendered combat ineffective.
They’ll be coming down with Shell Shock or other PTSD related symptoms.
That’s why many of them are either deserting or surrendering en masse.
{…And the result was a complete Russian victory and an absolute transformation of Chechnya}
One thing not to forget is that Putin managed to turn non-Takfiri Chechens — the Kadyrov clan — to RF’s cause. I don’t know how Putin did it, but the results were dramatic.
Kadyrov Chechens were ferocious against the Takfiri Chechens. And since they knew their land and people as well as the Islamist Chechens, there was nowhere the terrorist scum could hide. They were methodically hunted down and wiped out.
Moscow rewarded their loyalty by completely rebuilding Grozny**, with a brand new enormous mosque. Chechens are left alone to run their republic. Every so often Moscow reminds them they are part of RF*, but Kadyrov clan runs the place as they see fit.
And Putin has personally shown great deference to their Muslim religion and their Chechen traditions.
For their part, Chechens have returned the favour to Putin.
It is well known that 1,000s of Chechens have volunteered to fight far, far away from their republic. And they are ferocious fighters.
When Crocus Hall Massacre terrorists escaped into the forests, their lead pursuers were Akhmat battalion Chechens. When they caught up with one of them, they cut one of his ears off and forced it into his mouth — on camera — because he wasn’t talking. Apparently they were going to gradually cut little pieces of him until he talked, but a Russian senior officer arrived and stopped it.
Their leaders are well aware that they are fighting a Global Satan (Sheytan) : they realize that if the decadent GloboWest wins and succeeds in destroying Russia, their traditional Chechen way of life will be erased.
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* some Imams were trying to promote multiple wife marriage: Moscow shot it down.
** the figure I remember was $10 Billion (US dollars)
The one photo I saw of my Uncle Gerard in his Korean War uniform had written on the back, in my grandma’s cursive writing, “Our Marine.” My grandma was crazy about her son Gerard, his early death hit her hard.
As for your grandpa being a “doughboy,” my grandfather, Gerard’s father, was also in WWI. He was born in 1898, lied about his age, joined the military and, on horseback, went looking for Pancho Villa with Black Jack Pershing down in Mexico (They never laid eyes on him). After Mexico my grandfather went to England when the USA stupidly got into WWI. Back then the bi-planes had a “machinist” fly with the pilot and that’s what he was. What almost killed him in WWI wasn’t the enemy, it was the Spanish Flu. The story goes that one of the nurses in the field hospital (a large tent) would bring fresh eggnog from her family’s farm, her patients were able to keep it down, and because of that lives were saved including his.
Between WWI and WWII my grandfather, in an act of peace-time heroism, won the Congressional Lifesaving Medal (3 oz. of solid gold). Because he was awarded that prestigious medal his wife, my grandma, was able to be buried along side of him at the military cemetery in San Bruno.
With all that happened in the past, it really is a miracle that any of us are here.
It is clear to all that THIS HAS LONG AGO CEASED BEING A COHESIVE FIGHTING FORCE.
Ritter and MacGregor said the same thing in the first year.
Let me guess…..and Ukraine is about to collapse?
We are going into year 4 and Kharkiv is in Ukrainian hands. It’s 30 minutes from the Russian border. Did you have an excuse for that?
Do you have ANY comprehension of the enormity of Russia’s military industrial capacity?
It absolutely dwarfs the collective output of the U.S and its servile vassals.
Uh-huh.
If Russia has super vast military industrial capacity then why are they on video using Mad max cars, T-55s and donkeys?
Totally correct. V. Putin is referred to as the Supreme Commander by the Chechen Leadership.
Correct. The number one priority is keeping Russian casualties low, therefore planning and methodically moving when the advantage is greatest. There are multiple military assets and ever evolving strategies that are continuously modified and adapted by the Russians.
No military in the world has the experience and depth of field that the Russians do. They are rated as the world’s number one lethal force. Period.
There are deliberate gaps in your opinions. They are not well formed, are unsupported, and are assert very little of substance. Yours is a very thin gruel of defense rejoined contra deeper knowledge and breadth of subject, which threshold you fail to match.
Insignificant.
Your comments are just a roundabout attempt to defend the Western project to damage Russia which has a clear history going back to the 1990s. Ukraine is simply a pawn in this project, so everything you wrote is misguided.
Never forget: David killed Goliath with a stone and a sling shot!
Correct. The number one priority is keeping Russian casualties low, therefore planning and methodically moving when the advantage is greatest.
Then why has Putin sent thousands of drones and rockets at Kiev? It is 1/3 Russian speaking.
Why does he continue to attack civilian areas that have ethnic Russians if the number one priority is to keep Russian casualties low?
No military in the world has the experience and depth of field that the Russians do. They are rated as the world’s number one lethal force. Period.
Wow you really don’t give up your delusions. Russia has the world’s second largest military and yet the Nazis took all of Ukraine in months.
Russian armored vehicles are still bunching up when they charge.
Their assault groups still aren’t using smoke for cover. There are videos of them walking in a line instead of spreading out.
They aren’t taking the time to setup WW1 style machine gun nests. They send in infantry without support. Russian POWs describe being given two magazines and then told to move forward. No medivac or artillery support. No radios to call for assistance.
Which means they are ignoring the basic lessons of WW1/WW2.
My crazy old buddy John Johnson wrote to me:
You seem to suffer from the delusion that it is my job to defend Vladimir Vladimirovich.
Nope.
I view Putin as a typical corrupt politician. No more, no less. I do not support him nor oppose him — I am not a Russian: I have no dog in that fight.
I do think the ruling elite in the West is much, much more evil than Putin. I don’t think Putin wishes to destroy his own country — I do not think he hates Russia and the Russian people.
But the ruling elite in the West quite obviously does hate their own countries and their own peoples.
I would most certainly like to see the ruling elite in the West swinging from lampposts!
All I am doing is pointing out what Vladimir Vladimirovich’s clearly stated motives are and that these motives would be shared by almost any national leader in his position.
Finland really doesn’t much matter — it’s an insignificant country up in the barren North.
Ukraine does matter.
The US — notably the evil Vicky Nuland — orchestrated a coup d’etat against the legitimately elected President of Ukraine in 2014. In effect, Western Ukraine chose to secede form Ukraine.
I’m fine with Western Ukraine seceding (though I’m not so fine with the US orchestrating that!): I’m generally a pro-secession guy. For example, although my sympathies are with the American abolitionists, not the Confederacy, I still think Lincoln should have let the South go.
However, after the Maidan putsch, the secessionist government in Kiev tried to force the Donbass to go along with the new regime. The Donbass did not want to, and so the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev went to war against the Donbass, a proxy war openly fueled by NATO.
And a number of prominent figures in the West openly stated that they hope to use this chaos as a lever to bring about regime change in Russia and maybe even break up the Russian Federation.
Of course, to quote T. H White’s Merlyn, “I am an anarchist, like any other sensible person,” so I really don’t care about the Russian state. But as chief of state of the Russian Federation, Putin does — quite rightly — view this proxy war as an existential threat.
And so he is just not going to quit until the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev commits to never joining NATO and to complete freedom for the Donbass.
And, yeah, Putin would probably not mind taking Kharkov and, especially, Odessa, even though those are not his central goals, but that is likely to be the result if the West drags this proxy war out long enough.
The only thing I get out of the ultimate Russian victory is the pleasure of seeing the US Deep State and the Western ruling elites publicly disgraced.
Which would indeed be a good thing.
Though not nearly as good as all of them swinging from lampposts.
Dave “The Fizz” Miller in Sacramento
This great comment leads to another comparative derivation: wehenever we see the Kadyrovs of Ukraine appear, we know that Putin is already working on the post-victory scenario.
There is one ‘underground leader of the Resistance’ regularly making appearances in Odessa.
I gave my general opinion about the conflict in a number of earlier comments, e.g. here and here.
My comments here had nothing to do with the ‘Western project’ and Ukraine being a ‘pawn’ — they were about the reality of warmaking, the basic nature of armed conflict, and were directly relevant to that — they were also about the absurdity of the thesis Unz advances — I have no idea how that was not obvious.
Speaking of “basic lessons,” your endless drivel ignores every element of credibility.
If the Russians were as incompetent as you claim, surely you must have a novel
and surprising explanation for the death of one million, brave Ukrainian soldiers.
As John Mearsheimer prophetically said before Jew-team, Blinken- Zelensky,
provoked the Russian response, NATO will “fight to the last Ukrainian.”
Sadly, we are almost there, and if Zelensky is imagined to be an actual Ukrainian,
he will probably not be wasting oxygen long enough to be “the last.”
Agree
“A punch in the face will solve a problem quicker than 1,000 words. And possibly permanently.”
Yes Ron’s suggestion of Russian military superiority is bizarre to the point of insane. HE’S long been obsessed with Russia’s supposedly devastating hypersonic weapons and he still trots out the most unreliable names even when they have been shown to be frauds and losers.
Woy-chek writes:
Oryx is a proven propaganda outlet posting the most outrageous falsehoods.
It figures that a dumb Pole like you Woy-chek would be sucked in by it.
The fact that you’ve cited Oryx is all the proof we need that you can’t be trusted to provide reliable opinions on any matter.
Even by Polish standards, you are one very gullible dupe* indeed.
(*The fact that you got an ‘Agree’ posted below your comment by the known apologist for Jewish depravity – ie: Wizard of ZOG/aka WoZ – is further confirmation that your comment was juvenile).
As Ron Unz says himself, WoZ has never posted a single sensible thing in all the years he’s been involved with this webzine.
The US-sponsored attack was against the Russian nuclear triad not just against a few bombers. The fact that those aircraft also have tactical roles is secondary and in this case is simply a fig-leaf used to hide the insanity of the attack. That would apply if they were shot down over Ukraine in which case the strategic aspect would not be directly in play. The “legitimate target” notion is true in a loose sense, but is a secondary concept in the nuclear mutually assured destruction (MAD) framework. Russia, Ukraine and the USA all know that the MAD aspect of certain aspects of this conflict are primary. This attack is simply the West confirming the USA is openly flaunting MAD in case anyone had doubts. The earlier attack on the Russian long-range radars was the same.
In the MAD framework, the entire Western project in Ukraine is completely illegitimate so there are NO legitimate targets for the West in Russia. This was never a conventional war, it was always the early stage of a nuclear war. Think accordingly.
I think preparing for the peace after the fighting is a major reason for Russia’s slow pace in the SMO, maybe the essential reason. They need time to put the organizational tools in place to handle the extremely painful task of reintegrating the broken Ukraine into the Russian world. The political challenges and costs will be enormous and will have unpredictable twists and turns. This project may be a money pit for decades.
The Ukrainians are desperate for any positive news on the war.
And because there is nothing forthcoming (it’s been three straight years of doom and gloom for the Ukies and their Anglo-Zionist empire benefactors), they’re resorting to using Ukrainian actors dressed in Russian uniforms, or painting a ‘Z’ on a disabled Ukrainian tank and claiming it was one belonging to the Russkies.
Same goes for the donkeys (after the Ukrainians are done fornicating with them).
For UR readers not familiar with Jewish John’s Johnson and his history of falsehoods, he regularly trots out fake videos sourced from a place called Kanal13 (he posts them in Open Thread # 11), which is acknowledged by all to feature some of the crudest propaganda imaginable.
But Juvenile John’s Johnson swallows it every time. (In the same way that he trusted those ‘wise overlords’ in Big Gubmint when they said the Covid clot shots were safe and effective).
So John’s Johnson got in the queue and got jabbed, and thereafter took all the boosters.
That explains the neurological impairment we’re all witnessing whenever he posts yet another absurdity.
Meanwhile, in relation to Russia’s unparalleled military industrial output, I was watching the latest Ron Paul Liberty Report and came across info that highlighted the pathetic production rates in the U.S of THAAD and Patriot anti-missile interceptors (watch the few minutes of the video below from 8:00-9:40 and then from 12:10-13:00):
From that section of the video:
John’s Johnson, I’m not claiming that the Russians are 10%, 20% or 70& superior to the U.S and its snivelling NATO vassals when it comes to output of munitions, missiles and hardware.
It is clear that we’re talking perhaps a full order of magnitude discrepancy in their relative outputs.
So when we hear those wildly exaggerated figures for Russian losses from that dumb Pole Woy-chek (he gets his stats from the discredited Oryx source), it’s obviously just projection on the part of the decimated Ukrainian Armed Forces.
They themselves have suffered horrendous rates of attrition.
But they instead pretend that it’s the Russians that are on the receiving end.
This they do so as to raise the hopes of their Ukrainian fan-boys like John’s Johnson, Woy-chek and Been_There_Dung_That.
If these dupes knew the truth they’d be despondent and give up all hope.
They’ve put all their faith in that poisonous dwarf Zelensky who, in their minds at least, is a military genius. They see him as the Hannibal of the 21st century, someone who will resurrect Khazaria 2.0 to its glory days of a bygone millennium.
Well, you sycophants of the Judeo-Ukrainian regime, good luck with that.
You’ll be needing a ton of it.
Wizard of ZOG (aka WoZ) writes:
Do you see what I mean UR readers?
Is it any wonder why Ron Unz himself has described WoZ as the premier nitwit in this webzine (or words to that effect)?
Yes, yes WoZ, of course you’re right.
It’s the Ukrainians that have the military superiority. You promised us – so it must be true.
As for the over ONE MILLION UKRAINIANS that have lost their lives in this war, there’s obviously a valid reason for that anomaly.
Clearly it wasn’t the Russians that killed them (John’s Johnson assures us that the Russians can only kill so many enemy soldiers equipped with donkeys).
Obviously those Ukies that forfeited their lives are the result of ‘friendly fire’.
Yes, yes that makes sense.
The enormous artillery and missile barrage fired by the Ukies entailed that some of their own soldiers just happened to get in the way.
You see, they were making such rapid advances into Russian territory (Blitzkrieg style), that they were far behind enemy lines and thus got bombarded by their own people.
Hmmm, I guess haste does indeed make waste.
Really?
You are taking your wishes for the reality. The ukronazi army is systematically destroyed with more than one thousand casualties every single day.
And now there was those strikes on the Poltava TCC.
And one.
And two.
And three.
Badaboom!!!!!!!!!!
Not with hypersonic missiles, but with three drones. Where was the air defense? Nowhere.
Russia is winning. Don’t be impatient. Its objectives will be realised.
But of course the ukronazis and their supporters like you cannot admit it. All bad losers!
And where is J2? He wrote that the Russian army will leave Ukraine and that this would happen… in October 2024…
By the way the most hilarious fact about the Poltava incident is that on Ukrainian social medias people are rejoicing about the event!
Go figure! Those people are waiting to be liberated by the Russian army.
Juif Deux is too embarrassed to show his face, seeing as he got nearly everything wrong.
The only person that got more things wrong was Jewish John’s Johnson – with a 100% strike rate of inaccuracy.
It was Juif Deux who was quoting the fairy tale fake statistics about Russian losses that he retrieved [like a dog] from the Oryx website.
It’s good to see you here Olivier. Your well informed commentary is always enlightening.
Meanwhile, for the benefit of the brain washed Judeo-Ukrainian regime fan boys, comes the following 8 min video titled ‘Sumy Explodes: Ukrainian Base Destroyed in Seconds—Iskander Strike Caught on Camera!’:
The caption below the video reads:
Meanwhile, here’s another entertaining short video titled ‘Kiev Airport Hit! Brutal 9-Hour Russian Attack Destroys US Patriot Missile Site!’:
The caption below the video reads:
Speaking of “basic lessons,” your endless drivel ignores every element of credibility.
If the Russians were as incompetent as you claim, surely you must have a novel
and surprising explanation for the death of one million, brave Ukrainian soldiers.
And who is claiming one million soldiers?
As John Mearsheimer prophetically said before Jew-team, Blinken- Zelensky,
provoked the Russian response, NATO will “fight to the last Ukrainian.”
Sadly, we are almost there, and if Zelensky is imagined to be an actual Ukrainian,
he will probably not be wasting oxygen long enough to be “the last.”
Two Jews made Putin do it, eh? Did Jews also make him invade Georgia and Moldova?
Did you agree with Putin when he said that Jews promote patriotic and moral values in the youth?
As for the over ONE MILLION UKRAINIANS that have lost their lives in this war, there’s obviously a valid reason for that anomaly.
And what would be your source on that? Let me guess, you heard that from a pro-Putin blogger who rants into a web cam even though neither side releases casualty figures.
Clearly it wasn’t the Russians that killed them (John’s Johnson assures us that the Russians can only kill so many enemy soldiers equipped with donkeys).
I cited the report that the Russians are using donkeys. The Russian government acknowledged their use:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/10/world-news/russian-army-deploys-horses-donkeys-on-ukraine-battlefield-to-dodge-drones/
You clearly spend more time thinking about me than an ex-girlfriend but maybe try quoting me directly. The donkeys are used as pack animals. The Russians are running low on both tanks and military support vehicles.
I know you don’t celebrate the 4th in Australia but I think everyone enjoys fireworks. Was nice of Ukraine to light some yesterday:
Those “special rules” (ie, treaties) are not special to Russia. Indeed, if the same thing were done to the USA, we know what the reaction would be.
Ukraine did not break a treaty and the planes were legitimate military targets. They were not armed with nuclear weapons and had been used to attack Ukraine.
Why are you certain that Ukraine did not carry out the attack?
Do you deny any of the following:
1. Ukraine has been innovative with drones since the start of the war
2. The planes were visible on private satellite
3. It was a trick attack whereby Russian truck drivers were duped into delivering the drones
The Putin defending bloggers seem unaware that because of satellites there are no more secrets.
An 8 year old using Google maps can find Russian bombers.
Expect more trick plays from Ukraine. They are not primitive retards as many of our Putin defenders seem to assume. Some of the more advanced Soviet weapons were developed in Ukraine.
You fucking moron.
The Tu-95 is in no way a credible part of Russia’s ‘nuclear triad’ — it is a slow, propeller plane from the 1950s that could never penetrate modern air defenses.
The MIG-31 is more suitable as a member of Russia’s ‘nuclear triad’ — it is capable of almost mach 3, has a significantly higher operating ceiling, and can launch the Kinzhal hypersonic missile, which can carry a nuclear warhead.
Tu-95s have been used to launch cruise missiles at targets in Ukraine, and have done significant damage, which is why the Ukrainians wanted to hit them — the planes were (and still are) a legitimate target.
Ukraine attacked Tu-95s at Engels and Dyagilevo in Dec 2022 — was that also a ‘US-sponsored attack against the Russian nuclear triad’? — at least those drones needed GPS for guidance.
Ukraine did not need any help from the US to carry out this operation — not even GPS, the drones were apparently FPV drones — all the info Ukraine needed is publicly available.
There is zero evidence that the operation was ‘US-sponsored’ — even if it was, so fucking what? — the planes are a weapon of war being actively employed by Russia against Ukraine in the SMO.
Thank you for your incredible family stories.
This:
In college I worked for a man who had been the backseat, systems man on the F-4 in the Navy during Vietman. (At least I think he sat in the back.) I can’t imagine what it was like to run radar, targeting and other things while riding shotgun on such a beast. He was a very kind, calm man of American Indian descent.
The reason the ‘pace’ might seem ‘slow’ to idiots like you is that the SMO is primarily a ground war, and by Feb 2022 Ukraine had a large, well-equipped army, which has been constantly resupplied and re-equipped by the West, mostly the US — and Russia has never fully mobilized: today, all Russians fighting in the SMO are volunteers (unlike Ukraine).
Other than the territories Russia has already annexed and is fighting to clear of AFU troops (a job I’m sure the Russians would like to finish ASAP), Putin does not want to ‘reintegrate the broken Ukraine into the Russian world’, it was never part of the ‘Russian world’ in the first place — the SMO is fundamentally an ethnic conflict involving the heavily ethnic Russian population of eastern Ukraine, which did not want to live under a regime in Kiev hostile to them, their language, their religion, and Russia — armed conflict between these ethnic Russians and the regime in Kiev has existed openly since 2014.
Putin has always been clear: he had no objection to Ukraine joining the EU — he objected to Ukraine joining NATO — but Ukraine’s admissions to NATO was not imminent when Putin launched the SMO in Feb 2022.
You are really stupid.
It is not uncommon for Americans to misunderstand foreign affairs, especially those happening far away from the US.
Mr. Unz has a phenomenal track of describing in depth various issues. Here I believe we have the proverbial “exception that proves the rule”. And not because he is wrong on the power of Oreshnik or other older hypersonics – he is absolutely right in that it is amazing to have a maneuverable missile with cruise velocity of 11 Machs. He simply misjudged the Russian ability to use such weapons in conventional war. Understandable.
But that is not a sufficient grounds for the far reaching remarks you made about our Host.
And it certainly is not sufficient to denounce the people he quotes, like Sachs, Ritter, etc – people who appear regularly on A. Napolitano show. In fact, together with Mr Unz, these people are probably the only public figures left in the US who can keep their heads high, as they have demonstrated their integrity and anti-war stance at a time, where others, left and right, are warmongering like maniacs.
You need to stay away from Oryx – the amount of information there is waaay too much for your sub-80 brain. In fact I think for you to even look at Oryx will damage your IQ by a few more points. Stick to coloring pages.
Yes, that is likely true that ukrainians are taking very heavy losses. At the same time the same ukronazi army just eliminated the deputy commander of Russian navy, together with his staff. Inside Russia.
So the reality is such that you are the only one here wishfully thinking about Russia winning.
Why do you think Russians are delivering (more likely renovating rather than producing from scratch) 100 tanks a month? Because they are winning? 🙂 C’mon. This is the level of their sustained losses. At 100 tanks lost a month that’d give us 4000 to-date. Looks like Oryx is quite close.
Even Russians are not thinking about a win as they have been almost begging for peace since mid 2022. But nobody, not even idiot-in-chief, will give them that.
The Tu-95 is part of the Russian nuclear triad the same way the B-52 is part of the US triad. It is not intended to penetrate air defenses. It brings cruise missiles closer to enemy airspace before launch. In wartime it also allows some ambiguity about where the nuclear-armed missiles (limited by treaty) may be based so they are less likely to be taken out on the ground in preemptive strikes. The USA has B2, B1 and B52 strategic bombers and Russia has Tu160, Tu22 and Tu95 in this role. Many smaller aircraft can carry nuclear weapons on both sides.
When the earlier US/NATO strikes occurred at Engel’s and similar locations I pointed out these were strategic attacks against the Russian nuclear triad and more of a message than an attempt to destroy tactically relevant targets.
Believe what you want about Ukrainian capabilities and masters. I think most of the competent people left a long time ago. Without Western dollars the country would collapse very quickly. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
The reason the war has gone slowly is Russia left the Ukrainian power grid, pipelines, bridges, ports, rail lines, airports and other militarily significant infrastructure substantially intact for three years and largely avoided destroying high profile military command targets in densely populated areas. Of course the infrastructure is “dual use” and is essential for civilian life. The most likely reason for leaving these things intact is to minimize Ukrainian civilian casualties and also have something rebuildable after Kiev capitulates. Russia has shown they can take out all high performance air defenses (not MANPADS) with saturation strikes. Ukraine has confirmed this well understood strategy by taking out advanced Russian air defense sites. It is not a mystery.
Russia allowed this war to simmer. I usually offer that this suits her gradual buildup of military strength and industrial capacity, surviving the sanctions and also cementing pro-Rodina public opinion inside Russia. Her conventional forces were apparently weak at the beginning of the SMO. I have mentioned the cost of the peace as well. I emphasized this post-combat phase today since it is easy to underestimate the challenges. However, Russia has experience rebuilding after WW2 and also in Chechnya and will likely have factored this into her plans.
2025 is not the same as 1991. Most everything East of the river could have readily integrated with Russia in 1991, perhaps some of the people West of the river as well. It took 20 years of extensive Western meddling and NGO regime change work to set the fertile hate-filled ground of Maidan. Russia wanted a stable buffer zone and good relations with Ukraine. The West wanted neither of these and instead created this existential crisis with a long-term, very premeditated regime change strategy.
Putin was actually dumb enough to talk to Trump today July 3 2025 hours after the second ranking Russian Naval officer was killed in a targeted attack by NATO. They are using almost the same blueprint as the Iran model. Pretend to be in negotiations before they spring the big attack on Russia. I would say that people should expect some very large attacks inside Russia including Crimea in the next several days to a couple of weeks. Even the announcement of halting weapons shipments to Ukraine is a ruse and part of the plot. I believe some important people in the Russian government will be killed. It would seem that Putin still doesn’t know that Russia is under attack. I also predict that Azerbijan will become the next nation to join NATO which will complete the near encirclement of Russia.
The Russians could destroy much more critical Ukrainian infrastructure at any time, leaving large numbers of undersupplied AFU troops to be killed and captured (no food, fuel or supplies). There are several possible reasons why the Russians have not done this, but they have demonstrated the capability.
>the absurdity of the thesis Unz advances
If Unz wants to write about the US, NATO, and the SMO, he can look into this:
X/Seth Harp — Two years later, after much litigation, the Army finally discloses that another FIFTY-ONE soldiers died at Fort Bragg in 2023, far more than any other military base. How is that possible? The public is no longer authorized to know. All the circumstances of death are now redacted
It’s clear NATO personnel are involved on-the-ground in Ukraine, helping with command and control, strategic intelligence, military tactics, etc — these officers are dying in strikes by Russian forces on AFU command posts — the ‘circumstances of death are redacted’ because their deaths were caused by traumatic injuries — rather than lie, they ‘redact’ the cause of death.
X/Russians With Attitude — I know that there’s a ton of weird & shady shit going on at Fort Bragg – mostly from Seth Harp’s writing, I think I read a Rolling Stone article by him on this topic – but I wouldn’t discount good old Ukraine casualty laundering
Two specific examples I’m aware of:
Army Lt. Col. Joshua Camara was ‘found dead’ in Poland — no cause of death.
Canadian officer Lt. Col. Kent Miller — his death was described as ‘non-operational’ (whatever that means).
These men died traumatic deaths in Ukraine while helping the AFU.
Thanks for the videos!
The ukronazis and their supporters are so stupid that it is beyond imagination.
The lies every time they open their mouth.
You need to stay away from Oryx – the amount of information there is waaay too much for your sub-80 brain. In fact I think for you to even look at Oryx will damage your IQ by a few more points. Stick to coloring pages.
Oryx made accurate predictions about Russia’s tank supply.
Ritter/MacGregor/Martyanov all took the position that Russia could churn out endless tanks.
Ritter in fact went on all kinds of bombastic rants about how Russia’s economy is in full war mode.
Well Oryx was right and Russia is currently using T-55s in battle.
That is a tank based on 1940s technology.
When the earlier US/NATO strikes occurred at Engel’s and similar locations I pointed out these were strategic attacks against the Russian nuclear triad and more of a message than an attempt to destroy tactically relevant targets.
How would they not be tactically relevant targets when they were used to attack Ukraine?
The fact that they can be loaded with a nuclear warhead means nothing. Any bomber can be loaded with nuclear weapons. Any jet fighter can be loaded with a nuclear weapon. Both the US and Russia have thousands of nuclear bombs. This does not set back the ability of Russia to blow up the entire world.
Go ahead and explain why they aren’t tactically relevant targets. Explain why Ukraine should not be allowed to attack them.
They were in fact moved back because Ukraine had previously attacked them with drones. Ukraine doesn’t like being bombed.
“Roosha should be able to bomb you with these planes but you can’t strike back”
That is what you really believe.
Funny how you and others *want to believe* Putin is a 4d chessmaster and yet he has never come up with an attack that creative. His response was the same volley of Iranian 2 stroke drones against Kiev and other cities. Wah wah that’s not fair so I’ll kill more civilians with my Iranian lawnmower drones. Putin may be good at backstabbing his way to the top but he sucks at war and everyone can see that.
I am now wondering if Putin is the target in this latest grand deception by the U.S.? Something very big is going to go down soon in Russia. NATO leaders heaped praise on Trump (They all hate his guts) during the recent summit. Possibly to gain his support for a large operation against Russia. Whatever it is, the other shoe is about to drop.
“The most likely reason for leaving these things intact is to minimize Ukrainian civilian casualties and also have something rebuildable after Kiev capitulates.”
I have to disagree – the most likely reason why Russia has not done many of these things is that until this year Russian gas was still flowing through Ukraine to some EU countries, and for a while neither side wanted to be responsible for shutting this flow down. Late last year Ukrainians started feeling bold again and decided to shut down the last pipeline on 1/1/25. But until then, this situation was one of the weirdest wars ever, where both sides are killing each other but make deals and money on gas trade (some of that Russian gas was used by Ukraine).
With NS gone, and with Poland governed by crazy freaks, it seems that when the war ends, the best route for Russian gas will be through Ukraine.
And I think this is the real reason.
Everything else is propaganda.
True, that no one appointed you to defend Putin, but “Boston Jew Johnson” was hired to defend Zelensky, who was appointed by Zionist tag team, Blinken and Bloben, in league with Ukrainian Jewish oligarchs. Stage One of the plan was to use the Ukrainians in order to provoke Russia to defend ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine, with the ultimate goal to weaken Russia and break up the Russian Federation.
Stage Two of the plan was to neutralize Russia in preparation for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs in Palestine, a shared Zionist goal of Netanyahu and the “American” Secretary of State. Russia’s involvement in the Middle East was already limited by its inability to project naval and air power on a scale comparable to the U.S., but keeping Russia bogged down on its own border was an insurance policy against Russian interference in the Eastern Mediterranean.
The most serious errors of the Zionists were their failure to comprehend the indomitable spirit of the Palestinians, and the advances of the Iranians in missile technology. The sacrifice of over a million Ukrainian, Russian and Muslim lives was, as nothing to them.
All you need to know about the Russo-Ukrainian war, and why Russia makes only incremental advances, explained in 5 minutes by Alexey Arestovich, in the AI-dubbed video below.
By now, Arestovich resides in the US, but curiously he is never called up by judge Napolitano’s circle jerk of boomers to express his notoriously bold and provocatively straightforward takes. Probably he refuses to go.
The difference between directly sourcing information from telegram, and hamfisted slop propaganda by boomers, for boomers:
https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/arestovich.mp4?_=1
Likely? LOL. It is only necessary to visit the Ukrainian cemeteries.
Not counting the dead Ukrainian servicemen left on the fields and eaten by wild animals or pigs.
Source?
You should listen to your buddy neo-nazi Budanov:
Source: https://t.me/Camille_Moscow/9376
Do you understand? I fear not.
Btw, Putin said:
Same source.
You are completely delusional like J2 about tanks. When the latter wrote that Russia will run out of tanks in October 2024. You are one or two wars behind. Likely too old to adapt. If you do not understand that oryx is a propaganda channel, it means that you are very gullible. At the beginning they counted the destroyed Ukrainian tanks as Russian ones. Go figure!
Nowadays nobody cares about tanks although Russia learned how to protect them against drones.
Wishfull thinking and dreaming. The objectives of the SMO will be achieved. It would be better through negotiations, but the ukronazis and their supports like you are too stupid to understand. Every single day, Ukraine is losing men and ground. Every single day.
Btw when you are gossiping about tanks tonight will see the landing on Ukraine of some 110 Russian drones with some arrivals already reported. Hitting military targets. While the ukronazis target civilians like the terrorists they are. You are supporting terrorists neo-nazis. Are you proud of it?
Please, go on dreaming.
French General Georgelin died when he came too close to the Ukrainian front line.
Source: French General Coustou.
See the official version here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Georgelin
LOL
Also French soldiers killed in Ukraine are smuggled back to France and the families are requested to keep silence if they want to receive money.
Yes, I was counting those pipelines in the infrastructure which was surprisingly not fully destroyed. One of the Nordstream pipes is still intact and could have been be used to support Euro commitments. I think the Ukrainian gas transfer issue you mention supports the idea that either 1) This is an oligarch war being played out behind the scenes with just a bloody veneer for normal people to watch, or 2) Russia has been playing with kid gloves in many respects such as protecting civilians, supporting existing commitments, etc. with the idea of somehow having a healthy relationship with Ukraine after the SMO.
Russia could have destroyed all of the oil and gas pumping stations, power stations, important rail bridges and ports and shut down Ukrainian transportation and electric power in the first six months. In the short run this probably cost them at least 100,0000 dead.
If Russia had smashed Ukraine right away there would be huge numbers of civilian deaths along with three other obvious problems. First, this might cause the West to escalate in ways that Russia is not prepared to meet. Second, it might cause major political turmoil within Russia. Third, it immediately leaves Russia with the problem of supporting, pacifying and controlling a broken country with the world’s worst ever guerrilla warfare problem. I think they went slowly because no other approach made any sense. Maybe Russia concluded the total casualties and potential chaos in Russia would have been much worse if they had waged a shock and awe campaign which so many people expected.
Russia leaving the pipelines operating for so long is one of many major mysteries of this conflict.
“he is never called up by judge Napolitano’s circle”
Perhaps that’s because Napolitano is not known for inviting neo-nazis or employed agents of the deep state. Because how do you think Arestovych ended up in the US? (That’s a rethorical question – don’t try to answer.)
Arestovych should be called up by active judiciary not by retired ones.
The West can attack whoever and whatever it wants to attack with its proxy Ukraine, but everything has consequences. My point is these strikes were a strategic escalation (directly related to nuclear MAD) and not just more tactical strikes. It was obviously an intentional escalation by the West. We don’t know if this was a foolish mistake by the West (perhaps encouraged by the Ukies) or an insane intentional strategy based on some sort of nuclear brinksmanship. Like many of these things the attack is probably geared to put pressure on certain blocks of political power within Russia and open up fault lines between leaders.
One risk now is that certain traitors or die hard fanatics in Kiev may be able to see themselves hanging from lampposts in the near future. Some of these people may sneak out while others may say “Fuck it, they die or we die!” meaning the entire world. This is a big problem teasing around the boundaries of nuclear war, stupid politicians may get in over their heads and accidentally but predictably cause more death and destruction than they expected. Normal scale human weakness combined with science fiction scale death and destruction.
I assume Putin leaves all military planning to his generals and approves or disapproves mostly in broad strokes based on his advisors and personal perspective.
Thanks for the link. Arestovich says some useful things there, but in the clip he does not mention the question of where does the Russian leadership want to be with the Ukraine mess in five years, ten years, twenty years? Considering these questions may give some insight into the Kremlin strategy in the SMO.
Personally, I think the Kremlin wants to totally purge the current Ukrainian nationalist elite at every level of government, and bring the country back under Russian influence. This is the main goal.
Then, they are going to also demand the annexation of the 4 oblasts.
The current Ukrainian nationalist elite will never ever agree to these demands.
Hence the only way out I see, is Russian pressure on the battlefield bringing the AFU to a breaking point.
Congratulations on a half sensible answer though I may be a bit generous in congratulating you since the Russian failure to overwhelm Ukraine has been such a notable fact for so long. You fail as usual by pigheaded refusal to see the importance of basic facts.
In this case I put foremost the fact that any fear of NATO as an excuse for Putin’s actions is ridiculous. Why? Because there has never been theirs slightest chance of NATO attacking Russia as Europe under Napoleon did, or Germany and vassals under Hitler.
Sure Putin may have entertained ideas of different relations with Europe and America around the beginning of his presidency (though his not very fine print would probably have emerged quite quickly as unacceptable) but he has been rationalising for a long time the recreation of a Moscow based empire with lies and fantasy.
“The actual damage inflicted seems to have been far less than was originally claimed.”
Citing a blogger named Simpleton who has a specific axe to grind does not lend itself very well to your position, given this well regarded analysis.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-ukraines-spider-web-operation-redefines-asymmetric-warfare
“And if the result was a big hole in the ground, I think NATO would quickly collapse.”
You are severely underestimating NATO resolve. But I get it. That is the narrative hill you are willing to die on. It’s noble, but not wise in the long run.
“It is only necessary to visit the Ukrainian cemeteries.”
Did you visit any? Be honest here.
“Source?”
Russia Today.
“You should listen to your buddy neo-nazi Budanov”
Don’t worry, I don’t pay much attention to neo-nazi operatives of the deep state.
“Russian territory will be where a Russian soldier will set foot.”
So far it’s not that much.
“Nowadays nobody cares about tanks although Russia learned how to protect them against drones. ”
Is that why they need to replace 100 of them a month?
“The objectives of the SMO will be achieved.”
The objectives of the SMO were to capture Zelenski in the first week, install a new government and not have to fight for every sqm. How that turned out we all know. Except naive kids like you.
“Oryx made accurate predictions about Russia’s tank supply. ”
Never heard of Oryx group making such predictions. How would they have such capability? It’s a group of guys watching what people post on the internet. Not everything can be found online.
BTW Bosnia, Romania and Slovenia are also using T-55s. Not unheard of. The only morons were us, Poles, who modernized 600 of T-55s in the 80/90s and destroyed all of them in the 90/00s.
“If Russia had smashed Ukraine right away”
Russia did not and does not have such capability to smash anything in a conventional war.
The reason is that after collapse of the SU, Russia suffered economically. For various reasons. Without trying to analyze all of them, suffices to say that the economic collapse had serious implications for the Russian armed forces. Russia had to make tough decisions and the main decision was to support the defense of the country on nuclear weapons and to invest in cheaper and easier to build carriers (like hypersonics). Whereas the conventional forces … well, e.g., Armata was introduced 10 years ago. How many are there today? Still the same as 10 years ago – dozen or so? The assumption seemed reasonable – who would dare to attack a nuclear power, right? But the miscalculation that was made was when Russia started a war itself. Now it cannot get out of this quagmire even though they really would like to. And they will be further humiliated on the internal “front” – simply the country is too huge to effectively control.
This is the lesson Chinese are learning and they are acting on it. But they have technical capabilities. I am quite certain that Russia does not have means to control its borders. Not even speaking of effectively controlling its population.
And look what is happening right now in Caucasus: this is where the new front against Russia, and also Iran, is being created. Whomever runs this game is well prepared. Russians – not so much.
24th Alabama wrote to me:
You really think JJ is Jewish?
If so, he is the dumbest Jew I’ve ever met! I mean, he really does seem to think that “atheists” are a coherent religious group like Mormon or Scientologists, instead of realizing that “atheists” is synonymous with “nones.”
Of course… I suppose someone has to be the single dumbest Jew on the planet, and maybe that is JJ.
Personally, my guess is that JJ is like the early versions of AIs: he absorbs nonsense from FoxNews and CNN and then just regurgitates it. Not really capable of independent, human-level thought, but able to produce grammatically correct English.
Have you seen Putin’s detailed presentation at the recent St. Parkersburg conference (see here). You don’t have to be a Putin supporter to see that the guy knows what he is doing.
I’m afraid that this is simply beyond JJ’s level of mental functioning.
Dave “The Fizz” Miller in Sacramento
Lackadaisical Reader wrote to QCIC:
Well, I think Russia would probably accept simply long-term Ukrainian neutrality and Russian annexation of Crimea and the four oblasts.
LR also wrote:
Well… if the Kievan regime agrees to any reasonable resolution, the regime probably falls. So, yeah, they probably won’t.
LR also wrote:
And trying to predict when that will happen is like trying to predict which final snowflake will produce the avalanche.
Which is why the “But ______ (fill in the blank: Ritter, Macgregor, or whoever) failed to predict when Ukraine will fall!” argument is stupid. Yamamoto knew before the attack on Pearl that, if American chose to go all in, Japan would lose. But predicting VJ Day? No one could do that.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
I think that is about right. To make it work there have to be enough Ukrainians who want to get rid of the nationalist elite and are willing to replace them as compromise moderates. That will be a very dangerous job until all the Neonazis and CIA/MI6 contractors are imprisoned or killed off. The current elite apparently survives on outside funding. After that dries up there may be an interim phase of criminal nationalist ‘elite’ who just feed on the chaos. I think Beckow suggested in another thread that it may take more than one regime iteration to achieve stability in post-SMO Ukraine.
At this point it seems like everything East of the river will pass to Russia before Kiev capitulates, but that is complete speculation until something definitive happens with one of the major cities. It could be interesting if a city/region like Dnipropetrovsk decides to capitulate on its own, raising questions about Kiev’s authority and the role of the AFU/SBU.
The West can attack whoever and whatever it wants to attack with its proxy Ukraine, but everything has consequences. My point is these strikes were a strategic escalation (directly related to nuclear MAD) and not just more tactical strikes. It was obviously an intentional escalation by the West.
Why are you certain this was an attack by the West?
Ukraine has led the world in drone warfare since the start of the invasion. Both Hamas and the Syrian rebels copied their tactics.
Ukraine was the first country in naval history to take out a jet fighter with a sea drone.
But it isn’t possible that Ukraine came up with this creative drone attack? Why not? Use Greek logic please to explain.
Wizard of Oz wrote to Ron Unz:
You really have not spent much time learning about the Russians, have you? I assure you: it does not look that way to them!
And as an outside observer with no ax to grind, I certainly think they are right.
Yeah, yeah, NATO tanks would not simply be rolling from the Channel across northern Germany and Poland and into Belarus and Russia.
No, NATO is a bit more subtle than that!
Foment rebellions and civil disturbances within the Russian Federation, buy off influential figures within Russia, illegally funnel weapons to the dissidents and rebels…. That is more the NATO style.
How do I know.? Because that is what NATO has actually been doing for more than a decade in Ukraine.
The NATO game-plan is plain as day… to anyone who is not a moron.
And Putin, whatever his faults, is not a moron.
Russia can stop NATO in Ukraine or they can stop it inside Russia.
They are going to stop it in Ukraine.
Dave “The Fizz” Miller in Sacramento
I guess there’s a difference (at least formally/officially) between mercenaries on the one hand, and on the other current duty military personell who are in Ukraine as part of a (clandestine) mission — I’m sure any NATO country with current duty personnel on the ground in Ukraine would like to keep their presence and fate in Ukraine a secret.
There are a lot of foreign mercenaries fighting (and dying) with the AFU — this channel attempts to track them:
Telegram/TrackAMerc
If the Russians recover the body, which seems to happen often, this channel will make it public — if you scroll up and back in time a bit, you’ll see a French mercenary was recently killed.
Anecdotally, it seems the country with the most mercenaries in the AFU is Colombia.
By smash I meant destroy more of the critical infrastructure in Ukraine sooner. Russia has demonstrated this ability and has avoided doing so. They have completed many extensive missile strikes across Ukraine while avoiding many juicy targets which might have delivered more short term military progress. The military has the capability for these strikes but the attacks could have brought more problems and Russians may consider them immoral or illegal within the SMO rules of engagement.
I agree with the rest of your comment. I think Russia was not well prepared for conventional fighting in 2022 and is still building herself up very gradually. I think she carefully avoided committing too much of her limited resources in Ukraine because she is so exposed in the Caucasus and some other sections of her border. I agree that Russian borders are very porous. I have been mildly surprised the Kremlin has avoided declaring martial law if only to tighten up these leaky borders. Is a strange conflict.
West just now killed the highest ranking General in charge of Russia’s navy, they launched a missile at his base in Russia. This Unz article talks about the possibility of other nations seeing Russia as weak and thus coming to the conclusion that they would be better off just 100% capitulating to Western demands instead of making deals with Russia. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia seem to have now come to that conclusion, as Russia’s media is reporting wide-spread oppression, persecution, and abuse of ethnic Russians in these two nations as Armenia and Azerbaijan unite in opposition to Russia. Both these nations are looking towards Turkey for a possible revival of the Ottoman Empire, are even just full integration into West. For many of us here, this is just a matter of intellectual curiosity, such as myself. But in the end, it’s all just a matter of what makes the actual warring parties happy, and currently, most Russians are quite contented with Putin and the current status of Russian civilization. So win or lose, at least the Russians are having a good time.
Johnson doxxed himself maybe 5-7 months ago, and I have enjoyed torturing him so much with that revelation that I have not bothered to go back and find it. But now, with your inspiration, I’ll see what I can do.
As a physicist, you have undoubtedly run into many brilliant Jews, but in my more mundane attempts to eek out a living, I have met the more ordinary, substandard and dysfunctional Jews, and I can assure you there is no shortage. Johnson is hardly unique.
Having watched a number of Putin videos, there is no question that his knowledge and
abstract verbal reasoning are unequalled among current political leaders, with only his
Foreign Minister Lavrov coming close to his level of careful and exacting fielding of
reporters’ questions.
In all fairness to JJ, he is probably brighter than he seems. As a paid propagandist he
is required to repeat the same nonsense, ad nauseam, including the “Putin dwarf” crap.
“Fortunately, President Vladimir Putin’s government consists of extremely sober-minded and level-headed individuals…”
Bro…. lol This is some really hardcore self hating obliviousness.
Putin is leading Russia down its last path, and Medvedev is the bear that gets slaughtered.
Its almost as if Chabad named them.
If you are right to suppose that the US was actively promoting a Colour Revolution in Ukraine so that Putin might face the danger of having a country with democratically elected government very likely prosperous free enterprising capitalist state on his doorstep, including lots of Russian speakers I still ask how you make that into a threat by NATO, let alone a threat that it was legitimate to put down by force. At least Xi Jin Ping has the excuse wrt Taiwan that Taiwan still nominally claims to be China. The Busapest Memorandum left no such excuse for Putin.
I’m afraid you haven’t followed our hust for nearly as long as I. I haven’t time or inclination to speed up your discovering his high IQ eccentricities. but I will toss into the mix a comment on another of the unreliable people Ron quotes, like him a high IQ product o Jewry and Harvard.
Gave a look at this
Jeffrey Sacjs’s denunciation of the evil caused by the British judged by all the current conflicts their empire allegedly caused.
Absurd. The British Empire was, in an imperfect world, one of the great causes of unprecedented peace and progress until it was destroyed in the 20th century. True the 1899–1902 Boer War wasn’t obviously gloriously mankind but it wasn’t until the reactionary Afikaners took control after the Secon World War that the real trouble began. True the Opium Wars begin by the East India Company look very bad now but the dynasty ruling China was Manvh and utterly decadent castrating boys to provide imperial eunuchs and having vast understanding of slaves and concubines into trust to British abolition of the lave trade and slavery itself 30 years later.
No what was bad, for it’s times, about the British Empire was caused by its weakness when others nearly destroyed it. And, even then, Sachs should recognise the [British] Commonwealth of Nations was formed and joined by almost every former colony, dominion and British ruled territory.
Sorry the old eyes missed “Manchu” mispelledand a couple of other obvious verbal errors.
Wrong again, Mr. Wizard. You are pushing here primitive anglosaxon propaganda, on which you no doubt were raised. Whereas in reality, the Bristish emipire was an evil comparable only to the evils of german nazism and Russian and Chinese communisms. By the way, all these evils claimed that they were for peace and progress in an imperfect world.
Indians alone claim that British are responsible for perhaps even 165 million deaths in India, and that is only counting from 1880s. 90% of the population of North American Indians – some estimate that to be 20 million people – also died as a result of this “progress”.
And if you don’t consider Indians, red or black, as worth mentioning, then ask some Irish what they think about their progress under the British rule.
Listen carefully to Sachs and learn, Mr. Wizard.
I read an article stating that before Russia’s Special Military Operation went into effect, Putin informed the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church what could happen. The church leader, in effect, said to Putin that if he’s to begin a war it is his duty to keep the loss of human life to a minimum. The way Putin has carried out this war since it started shows that he has taken the church leader’s advice (you don’t see Putin napalming villages).
Agreed, and I’ll take it even farther: In a conventional war against Russia the United States, with supposedly the world’s greatest military, would get its fat ass kicked in just a few days. NATO, alone, fighting Russia in a conventional war would get its ass kicked in just a matter of hours.
Russian Hope:
The Central Bank of the Russian Federation Bank of Russia – Bank Rossii – is chaired by Jew Yuri Kovalchuk, who is chairman & owner of Bank Rossiya (Russia Bank).
Bank Rossii (RUS Central Bank) gets audited by Juri Kovalchuk’s son Boris Kovalchuk as chairman of the Russian Accounting Association, while his father’s personal Bank Rossiya gets audited by PricyWaterlouseScoopers.
Last year the IMF traveled despite all sanctions with an auditing team to Muscow and gave Bank Rossii (the RUS Central Bank) all thumbs up.
Bank Rossii is currently charching Russians a base rate of 20 %…, while Putin states that he can not do anything about it, „because the central bank is independent“.
Right at the outset of the Jewkrainian war Bank Rossii & Bank Rossiya urgently transferred the now famous 300 billion Euros to „The West“…
The Russian Parliament Duma is totally jewed. The sons of Russian ministers are said to be fighting not in Jewkraine but in Israhell against Palestinians… President Putin is a Jew. Prime Minister Mistushin is a Jew. War minister Belousov is a Jew. The finance minister is a Jew. The central bank CEO is a Yale trained Jewish Ginsburg look-a-like. Jew Serg Shoigu – responsible for the disappearance of 11 trillion rubles from the RUS defence ministry is a real real Jewish gangster face.
The more I look at Russia’s rulers the more disgusted I am.
I see no hope from the Eastern side of the Shekel – US & SU, two sides of the same Shekel and the EUSSR is the rimming.
All – A L L – „Russian“ oli- and oilygarchs are Jewish suckers. Russia is like America (and all the rest) an oligarchy.
The Third Jewish World War against the remains of nations is up and expanding and gaining momentum. It’s outcome will be total insanity & cruelty. They are already showing it to us with their most incredible savage evisceration of the Palestinian people, while Putin proudly states that every fifth Israhelli is Russian and “Russia” is always considerate of Israel almost being Russian…
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ковальчук,_Юрий_Валентинович
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Россия_(банк)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Банк_России
Russia cannot win a conventional war with a smaller, poorer, less well armed opponent on its doorstep – in fact they cannot even establish air superiority. It cannot prop up its client states like Assad’s Syria. It recently reneged on its security obligations towards Armenia and Iran. It has failed to establish deterrence with Western provocations. Its weapon systems were ineffective at repelling Western attacks in Iran. No potential client state is going to look to Russia now. It is at best a regional power.
I think the Unz Review pro-Russia boomers should do some self-reflection and figure out how and why their analysis has been so consistently wrong over the past 3 years.
West just killed a Russian mayor with a bomb: https://www.rt.com/russia/620943-lugansk-explosion-killed-wounded/. West is killing off all higher IQ people in Russia, knowing that this section of the Russian population does not reproduce itself, with West’s goal of collapsing the Russian economy due to lack of high IQ people.
Putin claims Russia is not a real nation, but rather a “multi-ethnic zoo”: https://www.rt.com/russia/620984-russias-neighbours-will-always-fear/
And a 22-year-old West woman is caught in the act of placing a bomb under the car of a Russian military leader https://www.rt.com/russia/620924-russia-fsb-catches-woman-bomb-plot/
Would it be doable for Putin to immediately annex Azerbaijan? It’s a nothing nation, the size of a “penny,” sitting right above Iran. Putin can make it a territory, like Puerto Rico is to USA, but keep the race separate within Azerbaijan land, since they may be unhappy about being a part of Russia. If Putin were to develop “balls of steel” like the Israelis, he could just liquidate the entire Azerbaijani population in a relatively painless way, and then fill the nation with Slavs.
Whatever the case, I would hate to be a Russian right now. If I were a Russian citizen, I would petition Putin to just destroy the entire biosphere with nukes/dirty nukes/bioweapons and send the entire human species back to G-d to face Judgement. If I was a Russian citizen, I would understand that Earth has been lost to Lucifer, and the time has now come to bring forth the Day Judgement.
Lies and fraud. Disgraceful.
Central Bank of Russia: https://www.cbr.ru/eng/
The rest of your comment is pure psychosis and swine dross.
Unfortunately,
there’s a war on in Easten Europe. Russia without cause by genuine or even potential threat invaded Ukraine. They started awar. A war in which nearly every analyst in wstern world thought they would win in matter of months.
Well, as it turns out, The Ukrainians have advanced their invasion to a near stand still. They have managed to inflcit devestating conseuence against the Russia’s military. I hae to break the news to this author and others. But Ukraine is at war. A war she did not invite —
Ukraine as every right to shoot down planes, roskets, missiles . . on the ground or in the air. Ukraine has the right to enlist any country they so choose to aide them in their defense. NATO has not been reckless, they are absent. Europe has been more than atient, thoughtful and measured. I don’t see any gloves on the ground, so I can safely assume that Europe is still — as absent as NATO and the US.
Frabkly who cares about Russia’s aggression. Her conduct has been needless, careless, and reckless —
reckless being worse than careless. Not only that — she is wrong. And wrong on every level of discussion Nobody wants a fight, least of Europe because the matter will be most impactful in their front yard.
Now I am not sure Ukraine can win this on their own — but it is long past due for the west to hae put a stop to Russia’s invasion – period.
Every contention put forward by Russsia’s advocates has been roundly and repeately destroyed. Here’s what those advocates have done is made a case for aggression in imagined owned spere’s of influence. So countries like Israel — can actwith aggression as they will because in their view they operating in their sphere’s of influence. That’s where that argument gets the planet. China can invade Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan or Japan because she claims to be the voice of Asia and can claim waters thousands of miles away from her shores. Afterall, she gets to decide what is best for Asians in here sphere.
As for this congress, and white house — they are in for all they can get for themselves, whether its money, accolades or medals for this that or the other. Not a single one is preparing their disticts for the fights ahead.
As for the executive — well he has n controlover the players he claims to have any sway with. Israel, Russia are still aggressors. China, India and others still find those acts of aggression. Now one or two things are true here,
Either the president is much weaker in influence that he thinks or he is in cahoots with the aggressors. Note, whatever my support for israe;s existence. She is not the cornerstone nor key to US security or prosperity.
China and Mexico are building a canal and
the US is sending more prodiction to Vietam — stock markey sores. Really sored at this data set?
https://www.bls.gov/ces/
troubling signs.
Another one of putin’s useful idiots.
Wizard of Oz asked me:
Prior to the 2014 putsch orchestrated by Vicky Nuland et al., there was already a “democratically elected government” in Ukraine.
The US conspired to overthrow that “democratically elected government.”
And Putin put up with it for many, many years.
What finally triggered him in early 2022 was the oppression by the Kiev regime, armed by NATO, of the Russians in the Donbass.
You really can’t see why NATO supplying arms to kill Russians seemed like a threat to Putin????
And beyond that, the Biden Administration sent signals that the neo-Naiz regime in Kiev would eventually join NATO. NATO was founded as an adversarial alliance against Russia.
You really cannot see why Putin would view NATO having control of a neo-Nazi regime, sharing an extended border with Russia, as being a threat to Russia????
Really??
Let’s turn this around. Suppose that Putin orchestrated an overthrow of the legally elected democratic government of Canada, installed a neo-Communist regime in Canada hostile to the US, formed a military alliance with the illegally installed Canadian regime, and then poured weapons into Canada to aid Canada in killing large numbers of Americans living in Canada.
Do you really think that Washington would just sit by and say, “Oh, well…”
Unlike Putin, Washington is happy to bomb countries half-way around the world that pose no threat to the USA. How many hours do you think it would be before Washington would intervene aggainst a Russian puppet regime in Canada?
Putin was enormously more patient than the US Deep State has ever been.
But, eventually, if you poke a bear hard enough, the bear pokes back.
You really don’t know any of this, do you?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Woy-chek writes:
(I deleted the part you wrote about NSDAP Germany because it is demonstrably false).
Well then Woy-chek, finally something we can agree on.
The Anglo-Zionist empire was/still is an entity of incomparable evil – something that the world has known for centuries.
YET, the dumb Poles in 1939 took the word of these deceitful back-stabbers, rather than the men of honour that were in charge of Germany at this time.
You actually believed the British would defend you in case of an attack from Germany.
But, as is well documented, Germany had no intention of attacking Poland and would’ve sought friendship if the Poles were amenable to peaceful dialogue.
But NO, you dumb Poles, emboldened by that British guarantee of protection, decided it was OK to brutalise*/murder/rape scores of thousands of ethnic German living in ancestral German lands (which Poland had stolen from Germany after WWI).
(*The depraved Poles GOUGED THE EYES OUT OF UNARMED GERMANS that never hurt them and never threatened them. This they did and much more, which resulted in Hitler mobilising his forces to attack Poland and prevent further atrocities).
And to this day, you’re not man enough to apologise for the heinous acts committed by your countrymen.
Woy-chek, is it any wonder why you’re universally despised here in this webzine and we all laugh at your ridiculous commentary in the WWII threads?
WTF?
Have you been asleep these last 3 years? The Russians have not only demolished the Judeo-Ukrainian Armed Forces in recent times and countless thousands of mercenaries (with minimal casualties of their own in relative terms), but they’re turned into scrap iron a considerable proportion of the U.S/NATO inventory of weapons into scrap iron in the process.
Scroll up to comments # 120, 305, 328 and watch the videos there for some examples.
If that doesn’t satisfy you, watch the first 2 mins of the following video and hear it from the reliable Col. Douglas Macgregor:
You know JW when you were watching PBS Newshour?–you were one of a hundred people !
Crimea is under attack at this hour. British stormshadow attack on Crimea Bridge and Russian air base and naval ships. WWIII is under way. Russia will end up striking London and Berlin. Word on the street is that Trump gave the go ahead for massive strikes on Russia during the NATO meetings. America, UK, France and Germany all led by mad men.
Angry Aussie conservative links to failed stand up comedian in bid to defend his delusion of Roosha being some super military state. Roosha is using T-55s covered in chicken wire but here is a failed stand up comedian to tell you about how everything is going fine with the 2.5 week special operation.
Well Ukraine just struck another airfield with planes on the tarmac. Kind of funny since the Russian defenders here can’t decide of the Americans or British were involved in the last one.
Maybe come up with your conspiracy theory that blames Jews/Americans/British before the details are known.
That way you can immediately provide excuses if Russia is embarrassed.
Prior to the 2014 putsch orchestrated by Vicky Nuland et al., there was already a “democratically elected government” in Ukraine.
The US conspired to overthrow that “democratically elected government.”
…You really don’t know any of this, do you?
Do explain the conspiracy since their pro-Russian president was removed by Ukrainian parliament for corruption:
Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached by Ukrainian parliament
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/2/22/ukraine-president-yanukovich-impeached
Are you saying he was innocent or should not have been removed? Which one?
Do you believe this president was a victim of a Jewish conspiracy?
He never explained how he was able to afford a mansion with a private zoo and over a dozen luxury vehicles. Did Nuland make him take bribes from Russia or do you have an explanation for his wealth? He never provided an explanation and fled to Russia. Maybe you can explain all of this for us since you claim to know so much about the subject.
Telegram/IL RUSSO — There are already two missile carriers in the Black Sea with a total salvo of 12 Kalibrs, according to monitoring Telegram channels
These are probably Tu-95s from Engels — because it’s no longer suitable as a platform for dropping nuclear gravity bombs, the Tu-95 was modified to be a missile carrier, and each can carry up to 8 cruise missiles.
It’s absurd to suggest these planes should somehow be off-limits.
“And beyond that, the Biden Administration sent signals that the neo-Naiz regime in Kiev would eventually join NATO. NATO was founded as an adversarial alliance against Russia.”
There is Nazi regime in Kiev. Nor was thee an attempt to install such a government. This fantasy has been well explicated and rebuked each time its peaked out from the covers of Kremlin. In fact, the Ukrainians rejected a suggestion by the west to compromise during the spontaneous response of the public to the government’s conduct regarding the EU.
There is no evidence that the US orchestrated anything in kiev that was not alreadu i play by Ukrainians. Go ahead liste to Mrs Kagans; phone cpnversation. The US is not orchestrating anything they are respondoing. There is what the US would like to happen and there is what happens. And as is usually the case, nations that the US aides have their own ambitions about hiw they and what they want — even if the goals are aigned. It s not uncommon fo the US to discover, Those being aided have amind oftheir own.
Neither NATO, the EU or the US has been a threat to Russia. If anything the west has actually aided and abetted Russian conduct until recently, and as they have yet to boycott Russian conduc, they could be said to be doing – even now by continuing to engage in any form of financial dealings. The threat accusation is nonsenical — ahhh those evil westerners that have been pouring billions of trade dollars into Russian oligarch coffers, building pipelines, and other business es — as a means of poking the bear. The only thing that as beeked in the direction of the bear until recently cash and money in all of its many guises.
You don’t see Pres Putin burning the billions from the west that has gone into his pocket.
Hate to break the news to you, but nations have revolutions, it’s not and it’s not illegal Russia’s only whining aboout Kiev beause the revolution includes very few willing to obey Russian marching orders. Unlike Belarus, soon to be annexed, the Ukrainians opted out. Their choice and their right. And by the way, ake a look at the record
Russia was always deeply involved in Ukrainian governance and that actually spurred increased opposition. Russian meddling.
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The example you should have referenced should be the relationshp being built by Russia and China in Mexico. Another country that whines about US influence as they gladly accepted out NAFTA gifts propelling their economy from 4th to 1st world status. Still, they keep shippng their populations across the border. Oven their military has violated US territory — our governments response
“please don’t do that again.” What the German Monarchy failed to do during WWI, the Russians ad the Chinese just might succeed in doing in the 21st Century.
NATO should grant entry of Ukraine yesterday.
“finally something we can agree on”
No. To agree on something you need to have some minimal capacity for logical processing. A sub-80 creature, intellectually closer to a Hoolock hoolock than a Homo sapiens, cannot do that. Especially if that creature starts by repeating neonazi matra: “I deleted the part you wrote about NSDAP Germany because it is demonstrably false”.
You wouldn’t know what’s demonstrably false if it hit you in the face, gibbon.
Well, I consider the whole National Socialist argument to be just a PR fraudulent concern. First, European National Socialists would never join organizations like NATO (an Israelite organization created to exclusively facilitate Israelite ethnic interests). Second, any National Socialist demographics in Ukraine was powerless, analogous to the power and influence of the American Ku Klux Klan. Ukraine has been under heavy Israelite control, not National Socialists. Finally, if, hypothetically, Ukraine become 100% National Socialist, they would have no reason to go to war against Russia or to torture/genocide “Russian Speaking People” in Ukraine. When Putin says “Russian,” he means any individual of any race who happens to speak Russian, not just ethnic Slavs. If, hypothetically, Ukraine wanted an ethnically pure Ukrainian nation, they would work out something “civilized.” Ukrainians are not Israelis – they don’t just exterminate mass quantities of people. Maybe they would fund the relocation of “Russian speaking people” to Russia, like Hitler did regarding Israel and German Jewish people. Or they would “humanely” sterilize the Russian Speaking People, or just have segregation laws, like in South Africa.
So no, I don’t believe Putin actually had any sincere Altruistic sentiments for a a bunch of multi-ethnic foreign people who happened to speak Russian. This was rather a sincere concern of Ukraine being used as a NATO tool to weaken Putin, and there has been enough evidence that Ukraine was being used as a bioweapons launching ground directed at Russia.
But in any case, does the reason really matter? If Israel can invade surrounding nations and annex their lands, and NATO/USA (led by the Israelites) can bomb/invade any country they want, then why can’t Russia? It’s now The Law of the Jungle, Might Makes Right, and Survival of the Fittest. Thus if Russia has the Might, then they have the Right. Russia can take whatever they want, just like the Israelites do.
Since that claim has been thoroughly and repeatedly disproved here, you have zero credibility for repeating it once again.
24th Alabama wrote to me:
Yeah, most of the Jews I have known were either fellow students or faculty at Caltech or Stanford or professionals of some sort — physicians, lawyers, engineers, etc.
All indeed selected for intelligence.
My dad’s boss when I was a kid was a Jewish guy who started the company where Dad worked as operations manager: the company manufactured backyard barbecue grills. I only knew him slightly, but Dad really looked up to him; the boss was a real straight shooter. There were periodic attempts to unionize the plant, but the boss convinced the line workers that they were getting a better deal with him than they would get with a union.
Of course an an entrepreneur, he too was selected for above-average intelligence.
There was the kid in the Sunday-school class my parents dragged me to whose Jewish family had converted to Christianity. Nice kid, but I don’t really know how bright he was.
And then there was my high-school history teacher: a bit higher than average intelligence, but a gifted teacher. I only found out after I graduated that he was Jewish, which I think makes sense: he was teaching history, not religion!
Anyway, yeah, almost all the Jews I have known could be expected to be bright.
Incidentally, presumably for the same reason, the average Black I have known was brighter than the average White I’ve known. But the reason has always been obvious to me: I grew up in a lily-White, lower-middle-class/working-class community, so I knew a good number of dumb Whites. But I have never lived in an area with lower-class Blacks.
On the other hand, intelligence tests and such do seem to show that Ashkenazim tend to have significantly higher IQs, at least verbal IQs, than Gentiles.
24A also wrote:
Yeah, he may be brighter than any US President since Wilson.
Of course, intellectual brilliance does not necessarily include wisdom or good judgment, neither of which Wilson possessed.
I’d like to see the killing in Ukraine come to an end. But it does not help when Westerners lie about how the conflict started.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
My exact words (as you yourself reproduced in your comment), were ‘an OVER 10:1 kill ratio.
Do you understand what the word ‘over’ means?
Oh ok even more ridiculous. So what is your source for that claim?
MacGregor? Ritter’s inside sources? Which one told you that all the HIMARS had been turned to scrap?
Russian blogger says that HIMARS took out an entire command:
When MacGregor/Ritter/Martyanov are making claims that contradict pro-Putin Russian bloggers that are actually in Russia you might want to apply just a tad bit of skepticism to your sources.
I have video of a recent HIMARS attacks and a Russian blogger complaining about how HIMARS took out an entire command.
You have rants about how I must be Jewish because I don’t support this stupid war. No sources to any of your kill ratios or HIMARS claims.
Do you not get that to the outside observer you would appear bats-ht crazy? I don’t mind patronizing you at times but you are not connected with reality. Do you get that you can support Putin without making up stuff that sounds good?
I am wondering if there should be another shortcut button reaction to label posts pushing fake foreign propaganda, like this one above. Seems like troll is not accurate enough.
Been_there_done_that wrote to me:
We actually have the audio recording of Nuland plotting the outcome of the coup with Geoffrey Pyatt:
Later, Nuland even complimented the Russians for their “tradecraft” in intercepting the conversation. Which is pretty funny, since Nuland was too dumb to use standard encryption tech.
No one here or anywhere else has ever refuted this — no one doubts it is legit, especially given Nuland’s admission.
Do you really think your very, very blatant lie will fool anyone at all?
Really?
You Deep State flacks are really losing your edge!
It’s not even challenging to expose you guys anymore.
Used to be fun, but it’s now like taking candy from a baby.
You can do better than this.
Really.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
I am wondering if there should be another shortcut button reaction to label posts pushing fake foreign propaganda, like this one above. Seems like troll is not accurate enough.
You are saying the Russian blogger in the video is propaganda? Did you bother to look him up?
Did a Russian general die in a HIMARS attack or is that propaganda as well? You could have searched Google news for “HIMARS Russia” and you would have gotten this story:
Russian general killed in Ukrainian Himars strike
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-general-killed-ukrainian-himars-105720463.html
Which matches the account of the Russian blogger in the video.
I doubt you even watched the video which is a common pattern for our Putin supporters at Unz .
They do their best to alt-right isolate.
They correctly criticize the MSM but then isolate themselves with only “feel good” sources when it comes to Russia. Everything else must be Jewish propaganda if it sounds bad.
Watch as Truth_Dundee calls me a Jew for the 1000th out of frustration as more evidence surfaces that their HIMARS units were not wiped out (which he never sourced).
What you, Dundee, Physicist Dave and 24th_Putin_Couch_Division really want is a “does not conform” button. That is what you really desire. You want alt-right to be a place where you are never challenged.
At least be honest about it. You crave the limited scope and control of the MSM but with a different bias.
I have addressed that tapped phone conversation in detail multiple times. Go find the details in the comment archive to understand the context. The conversation, shortly after the Munich Security Conference in 2014, actually proves that Nuland was completely out of the loop. She merely confirmed what everyone in Ukraine had known for months already: Yats is the guy. He was the leading opposition candidate since the summer of 2013. (I previously linked to a contemporaneous article reporting on his announcement.)
Also, her comment “Fuck the EU” was a snide reference to Catherine Ashton, who had organized negotiations at the conference – which Nuland did not attend because she was not important enough – whereas Nuland was trying to find a UN official to get involved to broker an agreement. As it turned out, Ashton’s effort turned out to be successful. Yanukovych agreed to a deal for early elections, sponsored by German, French, and Polish ministers.
You have now proven to us how gullible you are to have believed the clever Russian lie that provided a completely unwarranted interpretation, which nobody who was well informed could believe. The lie was concocted to serve as a rationale for staging the military coup in Kiev, which was unsuccessful. They wanted to pretend that their invasion and planned overthrow of the government was justified. Perhaps they wanted to re-install Yanukovych.
zi suggest you listem it to it very carefully. She is talking about what she thinks or would like to happen. She is not dictating anything. She is making a case for what she would like to see. And then listen to the meetings discussion — they are talking about who the players are. What they would like — not at all what they will do. Furthermore listen to the scenario — there is nothing concrete. And more, it’s about the transition, not a the strategu=y for destabilizing the previous government, but making a case or suggestions for what they think will come next.
I think, maybe this, ohh is that what you understood vs what so and so understood . . . . good greif get a grip. This tape has been bounced around in the media and on this sight for years. The meaning has not changed — Mrs Kagan is not in charge of anything. She is not saying well, I am telling so and so to do this or that . . .
It’a about assessing the current or new government players coming in. I have previously posted the article regarding what the Ukrainians actually did. And by the way . . . none of those names are promonanet players in the government today.
Laugh. Very much like most – giving way to much credit for wants verses actual control over matters.
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Sure the current stqte of politics from the state department would love to boast anbd brag about what they did —- but at the end of the day. The ball was never in their control.
“So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep… we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
Here’s what a midwife does
“The midwife is recognised as a responsible and accountable professional, who works in partnership with women to give the necessary support, care and advice during pregnancy, labour and the postpartum period, to conduct births on the midwife’s own responsibility and to provide care for the newborn and the infant. This care includes preventative measures, the promotion of normal birth, the detection of complications in mother and child, the accessing of medical care or other appropriate assistance and the carrying out of emergency measures. ”
The change in government by the Ukrainians and Mr Kagan (Victoria Nuland) isn’t even referenced as a midwife to help establish counsel a new government. There was no NATO, US coupe —
Jewish John’s Johnson (JJJ) speaks about a:
And whose word should we take that this is actually a Russian blogger, and not a Fifth Column paid disinfo peddler (or perhaps someone working out of his Mossad office in the Negev Desert – seeing Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv was turned into rubble by Iranian missiles)?
Should we take your word for it JJJ, seeing as you’re a proven liar?
And who exactly is this ‘Russian’ blogger? Has anyone ever heard* of him?
(*I suspect not. It’s yet another one of your Zero credibility sources – like Kanal13).
I’m surprised you didn’t stoop to relying on the Oryx propaganda website like Juif Deux and that dumb Pole Woy-chek did – two zero credibility imbeciles).
Is this the same blogger that told you Putin would be dead by Sept/Oct 2022?
(Remember how you made that ludicrous claim in the UR threads in about April/May 2022?).
Meanwhile, for ignorant fools like yourself and others that claim Russia cannot defeat lil’ ol’ Ukraine, the fact of the matter is that it’s not just the Judeo-Ukrainian Armed Forces that are up against Russia, but a considerable proportion of the U.S and NATO inventory of weapons and munitions (accompanied by active duty personnel), that were committed to this proxy war.
And this is confirmed in this 7 min video titled ‘U.S Ammo Stockpile are LOW – Lt.Col Daniel Davis’:
Well UR readers, a statement like that does not imply that the U.S has handed over as little as 5% or 10% of its inventory of weapons of death/munitions.
It suggests to me that they’ve handed over a good chunk of it to the Ukrainians and Apartheid Israel.
And the Russians have turned most of what the poisonous dwarf Zelensky received into scrap iron.
And, over and above the 1 million Ukrainian combat deaths and the scores of thousands of mercenaries that have also met their maker (hired with ZOG’s freshly conjured Federal Reserve billions), there have been large numbers of U.S and NATO active duty soldiers that have lost their lives.
No, these particular individuals weren’t mercenaries involved in front line combat.
They were those technicians and specialists that manned/operated the Patriot anti-missile batteries/HIMARS/ATACMS and the other western military gadgetry.
They were also the high ranking officers in Command Centres well behind the front line, who died when the Russians blew up those Command Centres (I recall reading that a French General died recently).
What about the article in the link below headlined ‘Another NATO general died under mysterious circumstances’:
https://news-pravda.com/usa/2023/08/19/62472.html
There is evidence to suggest that the U.S and NATO have lost quite a few active duty military personnel in this proxy war. Of course that’s not how the ZOG controlled ZATO are explaining it.
They’re spinning a different story.
You’re confusing me for someone who cares about either side. I’d say you are projecting 🙂
Still it doesn’t change the fact that you are posting fake foreign propaganda and should be specially marked for that.
Been_There-Dung_That writes:
Well, let’s hear what Jeffrey Sachs has to say, as he succinctly sums it up in the few mins from 3:55-6:45 of the video below:
In the words of Jeffrey Sachs:
‘Putin did NOT start the war – he escalated the war’.
Got that Mr Dung_That?
It is clear to all that the Anglo-Zionist empire started this proxy war and that V.V Putin pursued every avenue available to prevent the outbreak of hostilities.
So BTDT, are you prepared to come clean on that?
(Don’t be like John’s Johnson who claims he’s not a yid – when it is obvious to all that he’s among the most malignant of Jews that you’re ever likely to cross paths with).
The silly little newbie Been-dumb wrote to me:
Yeah, yeah, and you probably can explain why Santa Claus is real, too.
Sorry, newbie. You started commenting here years after the event. I lived through it. I did technical work for the US Intelligence Community back in the ’80s and ’90s.
I know how these things go down. You clearly don’t.
I have much better ways to waste my time than reading your old, ill-informed comments.
The little newbie also wrote:
Putin hoped that the show of force north of Kiev would cause the neo-Nazi regime to come to their senses and negotiate. They almost did, shortly after the SMO started, but then BoJo the Clown went in and ordered Zelensky to go the suicide route.
Putin has made clear from the get-go what his requirements are: a neutral Ukraine that never joins NATO, and also Crimea and the four oblasts are accepted as being part of the Russian Federation.
But if Zelensky’s handlers in the Azov Battalion and the Western Deep State refuse to allow Zelesnky to accept that… well, then Putin might just have to take all of Ukraine.
I hope it does not come to that: it would be better for everyone for a neutral, rump Ukraine to be left in place as a buffer state between the Russian Federation and the puppet states under US military occupation in Western and Central Europe.
Hey — maybe you can help by passing this on to your own handlers? Or don’t they want any input from peons like you, newbie?
Maybe it really will be necessary to wipe Ukraine off the map, eh, newbie?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
400 comments and still nothing on.
What is it that you all think to truely know?
I read them all, and even I, don’t know why.
Have fun, I guess ? A shame we have nothing better to do. But, one has to do something. Prey$
John Johnson wrote to wojtek:
Nope — we love you, JJ! I’m pretty sure that you cannot find any example of me urging Ron to censor you or shut you down.
And why do we love you?
Because:
A) Life is tragic and we need that little bit of amusement that you give us: to put it simply, you are funny.
B) We keep pointing out how the apologists for the globalist World Order are evil monsters who care nothing about human decency, and you keep popping up as an example of our point.
JJ also wrote:
I don’t know how to break this to you but military officers die in a war.
Which is why lots of officers view war a a chance for promotions.
There is always some colonel ready, willing, and able to become the next general.
First rule of any military organization: no one, including the commander-in-chief, is irreplaceable.
And the second rule is: amateurs think strategy, but professionals think logistics.
Little Petey Hegseth (okay, that’s unfair — he, unlike couch generals like you, has actually served in combat zones and received the Bronze Star) has admitted that the US is running out of munitions.
Russia clearly isn’t.
Russia has been reorienting its economy on to a war footing, because the US attempt to take over Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia — numerous prominent Westerners have openly declared that overthrowing the Russian regime or dismembering the Russian Federation is the real goal.
And the Russians believe it.
Americans will not reorient their economy to a war footing because, after all, no sane American gives a damn about Ukraine, the most corrupt regime in Europe, controlled by neo-Nazis. We’d rather use our money to see the latest Jurassic World spin-off than to help the corrupt neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
And so Russia will win, because logistics is king.
JJ also wrote:
Honesty consists of facing the manifest truths of geopolitics, economics, and military history.
The US hegemony you serve is the past. A multi-polar world in which the major Eurasian Powers dominate the Eurasian land mass is the future.
And neither you nor any of us can change that reality.
Of course, we don’t want to. We just want to live in a normal country again.
A Republic, not an Empire.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Thank you. Unfortunately our host seems to be one of those who naively believes the lie often supported by that recorded conversation that the Maidan Revolution,or whatever you want to call it, was some kind of CIA affair when it was nothing of the kind.
You haven’t ‘addressed’ it-you have LIED about in in your trade-mark, slimy, fashion, Has Been. Sweaty rat ‘Yats’ was ‘opposition leader’ in the same fashion as the drunken, drug addict, fascist rat Navalny, was in Russia. That is, in the eyes of his Western controllers and their disinfo trolls like YOU.
And they only get to be transformed from ‘Opposition’ to Government by election, troll. Not by a US organised Colour Revolution and fascist putsch against an elected President. How much does the Integrity Initiative pay you for your repetitive shite?
Yeah-Nudelman couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. The putsch in Kiev was organised by the CIA, as is well known and established.
Why do Yanks like you lie SO impertinently. The putsch was organised by the CIA, and had ZERO support in the regions that had elected Yanukovich. The dopes bussed in from Western Ukraine to back up the Right Sector et al Nazis trained in Poland and the Baltics did not represent all opinion in those regions, either.
The EU proposal, that DEMANDED severance with Russia, despite decades of integration between Russia and Ukraine under the Soviet and after, was DESIGNED to be unacceptable. It was DESIGNED to be the spark for The Colour Revolution and fascist putsch. I almost wish that you would get your nuclear war, you psychopath.
I think you’ve long since gone off into fantasy land and I sincerely hope it’s not symptomatic of the Lewy Body dementia which seems to have started afflicting my very smart tech savvy Jewish friend of your age that I see every day. Could you please try giving some reassurance in answer to my asking what evidence you are relying on when you say
“Much more importantly, it also deploys a very powerful suite of unstoppable hypersonic missiles as either conventional or nuclear delivery systems. ” in the article, and now
“Now as I’ve emphasized, I’m not a technical expert, so I’m assuming that Russia’s hypersonics are just as unstoppable as everyone seems to say, ”
You and your favoured oddballs have been going on about Russia’s hypersonic weapons for so long it really is time the issue was cleared up.
Anon[310] wrote to me:
The Azov Battalion was openly neo-Nazi and was covered by Western mainstream media before the SMO. Some of that coverage may even still be up if your search for it.
You think National Socialism was solely about hating the Jews: it wasn’t. The Nazis also hated the Russians, really hated and despised the Russians. Their Lebensraum was going to come at the expense of the Russians, not the Jews. Indeed, more Soviet citizens died as a result of Nazi aggression than Jews. From the Russian viewpoint, Nazism was more anti-Russian than anti-Jewish, and they have a good point..
And so those Ukrainians who also hated the Russians, saw a commonality with the Nazis: read up on Stepan Bandera.
anon also wrote:
Nope. I was friends with a Ukrainian woman back around the time of the Maidan putsch. When she went back to visit her family in Ukraine, her family told her to stop speaking “Russian.”
She was in fact speaking the Ukrainian she had grown up using, but the regime was engaged in a vicious anti-Russification campaign to eliminate Russian words form the Ukrainian dialect. The regime was openly anti-Russian.
anon also wrote:
It is clear beyond reasonable doubt that when the US orchestrated the putsch that overthrew the legal government of Ukraine in 2014, the people of the Donbass were not happy being ruled by the new, illegal regime.
Under Article 1, Section 2, of the UN Charter, the people of the Donbass had the right to “self-determination of peoples” (see here).
Our old friend Steve Sailer kept insisting that international law mandated freezing into place the arbitrary borders that happened to obtain at the end of WW II. That is not the international law agreed to by any member of the United Nations.
The people of Palestine in 1948 had the same right to self-determination, but the victorious WW II Powers, in violation of the UN Charter, imposed the Zionist regime on them.
The two cases are not, as you claim, analogous.
Russia is enforcing international law as laid out in the UN Charter. And so are the Palestinians who resist the Zionist criminal regime.
Facts really do matter.
Do not create a false moral equivalency.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
My wacky friend John Johnson wrote to me:
I know you want me to defend Yankukovych, Putin, et al.
But I don’t.
Ukraine was and is the most corrupt country in Europe. Sure — Yanukovych was probably corrupt too.
Nonetheless, the fact is that the US orchestrated the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine. I don’t really care what government Ukraine has. I do care that Nuland, Biden, Obama, et al. got us involved in this mess in Eastern Europe.
It is also a fact that the Donbass was not real happy about being governed by the new, illegal regime in Kiev.
And under Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter, the Donbass had the right to refuse to join the new regime — “self-determination of peoples” (see here). Putin was clearly enforcing intenrational law as provided in the UN Charter in using military force to compel the Kiev regime to honor the right of “self-determination of peoples” for the people of the Donbass.
I don’t really give a damn about Eastern Europe as a whole, though it is sad to see lots of people dying.
But, as an American, I most assuredly do care about the US government using our tax dollars to prolong the conflict, which will inevitably be won by Moscow, and to risk a wider war.
JJ also asked me:
No, do you know something I don’t?
I have a Jewish friend, who has made clear to me that lots of American Jews hate both Russia and Ukraine — the pogroms and all that. My friend claims that Ukraine was even worse than Russia.
Again, this is not my fight.
I just want America out.
But, to the degree that there is a right or wrong here, decent people should admit that Putin is indeed enforcing international law under the UN Charter.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Is there anyone in Poland with ability to take in some other “truth” than the one that was established by the winners of the two World Wars? I have yet not run into a single one, despite my good command of the language.
The Polish nation of glorious victims definiyely has -with great eagerness at that – swallowed the “facts” that the leading competitors in suffering/perpetual victims, i.e. “starsi bracia w wierze/older brothers in the faith”, soo graciously and disinterestedly provided them with.
Make some use of your grey cells folks: the “evil” Germans – and nowadays even the rest of the Germanic peoples – are for God’s sake being persecuted and incarcerated for the “crime” of expressing their doubts over the omnipresent/omnipotent “truth” and for questioning the “principles” that enabled the globalists to introduce the anti-White agenda that reigns supreme.
Ron,
Putin already has ‘placed’ a bet with the West.
Shortly after the Oresnik (sp?) strike in Ukraine, maybe 6 months ago?, Putin announced mass production of this new hypersonic missile.
He ‘bet’ the West that they could defend Kiev all they wanted and they would pre-announce a launch of Oresnik into Kiev.
No one took the bait.
So to align with your thinking, Putin could announce that Russia is now producing 50 Oresnik missiles per months and “in 3 days at 12 noon will blast Kiev. Everyone get out.”
The master blow to NATO and the end of Ukraine war simultaneously.
Have a golden day !
Putin likely wanted Ukraine to be “neutral“, in violation of the 1997 Paris treaty, so that it would be more easy to conquer militarily. He was in no position to set any such requirements, which reflect an unacceptably chauvinistic and hegemonic stance.
Initially, when Putin initiated the war of aggression, he had considered none of these four additional Ukrainian oblasts to be part of Russia. That contradictory change in sentiment only evolved during the war. Once again you are propagating nonsense.
I’ve often advocated for something similar, each time with that essential element of advanced, public notification of the time and place of the single-missile, conventional strike, a notification that would clearly set out Russia’s explicit rationale for doing so. Candidates for the selected target, in order of risk:
NATO HQ
UK base in Cyprus (not on NATO territory)
Any of 5 other UK bases outside NATO: Jordan, Bahrain, Oman, Diego Garcia, Falklands
UK carrier under steam operating outside NATO territory (Oreshnik, Bulava or Zircon strike)
StormShadow factory and / or HQ
Ditto SCALP in France, Taurus / Rheinmetall in Germany
One or both US Aegis Ashore bases in Poland and Romania
MI6 HQ London
City of London financial centre
CIA HQ, Langley
Make your case. It’s been tried many times. If you have such a case, you are free to advance the matter. I have read no such document and have never heard of any such demand.
But for a moment suppose what you claim is accurate. That is a matter for Ukrainians to decide. I suspect its nonsense, save perhaps some particulars, but I suspect its mere distraction as is the whole Mrs Kagan(Victoria Nuland – CIA coupe bait). Was the US there as advisors and did they state their preferences — that is plainly clear. But the actual revolution is Ukrainian. Advocates for Rissia have been making these claims since — and repeaters keep repeating it. Eeven the evidence you bring to the doesn’t support the claim. I anm not sure. But the players you are discussing are not CIA — they are the state dept.
News for you — the CIA as a rule does not brag about their ongoing missions successful or not.
Again with the Nazis nonsense — so what if they are Nazis. It’s their country and their choices. Apparently, advocates nor the Kremlin comprehend what it means to be a sovereign country. Beyond that, the reality is that the Nazis are a very very very very very small faction. Ahh yes that group of say 10,000 and I am being generous, scaring the Russians — ahhh and oo the boogeyman causing all 144 million Russians to shiver in their boots.
Nonsense.
The discussions that are in play with Victoria Nuland(Mrs Kagan) are political discussions regarding guidance and advise based on who the US would like to see in what positions in the new government. It is not about overthrowing anyone or anything. Was the US involved in such political guidance – sure. That was after the fact. Furthermore Mrs Kagan was operating out of the State Dept. not the CIA. She s doing her due diligence in aiding the Ukrainians in establishing a democratic organization — no secret — the US is pro-democracy.
I have no idea if the CIA was present or advising but I do this. The CIA does not broadcast their missions successful or not. There was no secert that the State Dept was involved. I have no idea what is so embraaasing aside from the fact that the secure lone wasn’t. Hardly a shocking revelation and I have no doubt tjat members of the EU make choice comments about US condu=ct and decisions they prefer remain — private. Doesn’t mean much in the real world.
There was no US coupe. There was no NATO coupe. And there was no EU coupe. Did the west applaud the matter — most likely. Sovereign states actually conductimg themselves as though they are — is quite healthy. Do note that none of the supposed coupe choices — laugh are in power today. Pres Zelensky actually ran on taking Ukraine down a road of neutrality —-
That didn’t stop Russia’s aggression because it is not about Ukraine, it about returning Ukraine to an unhealthy marriage. Something in the works for several of Russia’s oter neighbors.
Are you people really this dense?
The full implied statement:
These Tu-95 strategic bombers parked at strategic bases are generally considered off limits unless escalation closer to nuclear warfare is desired by the West.
Here is a longer version:
A long-range strike across Russian territory against strategic bombers parked at a Russian strategic airbase blurs the lines in the Ukraine conflict, bringing it closer to a fully open Superpower war with greater risk of escalation to either WW3 or nuclear weapons use. Nuclear weapons use may be accidental as attacks such as this obviously increase Russian readiness levels.
“Is there anyone in Poland with ability to take in some other “truth””
Nope, we in Poland usually believe that there is no such thing as “other truths”.
So we take the only one that is available, leaving “other truths”, aka lies, for gullible neonazi delusionists.
Some people never tire of reminiscing on the magnificence of Russian military kit.
Su-35
Su-57
S-300
S-400
And ooooh: Oreshnik
No amount of real world evidence puts a damper in their enthusiasm.
No one in the western military is fretting the first four or many more but keep talking.
The fifth?
In all of military history it has never – not once – been a premise of dominance that one can shield against every blow from an adversary. Where do you get the idea that this is a primary consideration. Shield? Yes. Shield as best as you can? Of course. Shield perfectly? Impossible and a waste of resources because: impossible.
But there is such a thing as a Death Star: an SSBN
NATO has many. These arguments only impress the ignorant, both NATO and Russian leaders understand this. Russia is not going to hit NATO with a hypersonic missile because you are right about this: its leaders are sober, thank god.
Largest nuclear arsenal? Yes. Half of it is tactical nukes- not much value, and of great danger to the wielded who may get conventionally bombed while wielding; neither especially effective in a rapid escalation but a real threat of terrorist acquisition while they sit away stowed. Russians do one thing right: many many munitions. NATO needs to learn from that. But the same reason many munitions work against a few super wah wiz bang is why a handful of hypersonic amount to yawn.
Russia for all its lessons in Ukraine still can’t sustain a fight anywhere there isn’t a nearby railroad. We, and they, know this. This plus a dwindling supply of fathering aged fighting men is why Russia isn’t going into a fight with NATO. The only war Russia will fight with NATO is defensive – which is precisely where you need to sharpen your sword because the alarmism is manufacturing consent.
It’s still MAD. Fight the psychopaths playing child’s games with MAD, don’t admire and encourage the other side.
Your own side can be wrong here, wrong there, wrong all over. Indeed building a minimally economic multipolarity is – Ron it is – a great idea to check the worst instincts of our own leaders whose instincts and intentions, I think we agree, are terrible – it works for the same reason as anti-trust. But it is always better to be in dissent and take your knocks as a patriot than to go to the other side. Always. The other sides know this even if you don’t. Come on man – you can do better, I know it.
The HIMARS strike made international news. Here it is from a non-Western source:
So you’re suggesting what exactly? The Russian blogger complaining about it is fake?
And who exactly is this ‘Russian’ blogger? Has anyone ever heard* of him?
(*I suspect not. It’s yet another one of your Zero credibility sources – like Kanal13).
You are truly shameless.
You do realize that you were caught in this thread providing a video source you didn’t bother to watch, correct? Did you forget about that already? You told us that all the HIMARS had been reduced to scrap and yet didn’t even bother to watch the Scott Ritter video you sourced. Scott Ritter never made that claim.
That is in post #120.
Not only did you post a video that didn’t match your claim but a HIMARS strike made international news.
You should really take up a different hobby. The other Putin bootlickin’ crew members would probably prefer that. You are an embarrassment to them.
I don’t know how to break this to you but military officers die in a war.
Maybe try reading the whole thread before interjecting with your soap box.
Truth_Dundee tried to claim in post #120 that all the HIMARS had been scrapped and provided a bogus source.
I pointed out the recent HIMARS attack to show that he again trying to alt-isolate and isn’t even bothering to watch the videos of his limited sources. It is Truth_Dundee that is having a hard time with the possibility that US weapons like HIMARS continue to work as designed.
Scott Ritter actually said the opposite which is that HIMARS is difficult to target
Maybe instead of trying to lecture me you could give Truth_Dundee some lessons on the proper way to pretend you are interested in the truth.
Ghis gentleman acts as tjough and his argymets are new . . .
1. that process would take place in Ukraine muns Russian troops at the polls.
2. Even the UN holds that process and null and void. So your own references calls it out as untenable — that source does not support your position.
3. the same applies to Crimea
Nothing like calling on the international community only to have that community reject your position. Laugh. Intenational law under the auspices of the UN. Well feel free to demonstrate the UN vote that authorizes the action. Your so ging ho on facts — let’s ee that fact. The people in the regions in question did not gake their case to the UN and neither did fussia.
You are as they all hat.
I was generous and noted that the number of nazis in Ukraine numbered 30,000 — that’s about 0.085% not even 1%. Not high enough ok 30000 that’s 0.85716% oh know almost 1%.
te Bazi is great warmongering but not at all convincing. I am curious state how many Russian naxis has Eussia rounded up from Russian streets . . .
Hmmmm what does the UN say about Russia’s invasion:
https://ukraine.un.org/en/220277-remarks-secretary-general-general-assembly-emergency-special-session-ukraine
https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/statement/2022-02-24/statement-the-secretary-general-%E2%80%93-ukraine
Ohhh wait UN on elections in Ukraine
“So-Called Elections in Occupied Areas of Ukraine ‘Have No Legal Grounds’, Undermine Peace Prospects, United Nations Official Tells Security Council”
https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15405.doc.htm
“Russia’s intention to hold presidential elections in occupied Ukrainian areas unacceptable, says USG DiCarlo”
https://dppa.un.org/en/mtg-sc-9578-usg-dicarlo-ukraine-15-mar-2024
Thank you for your analysis and insight.
I do believe that if Russia were to strike all the Nato airbases they would have to destroy all the Nato aircraft at said bases. Much of Europe’s road network is designed as landing strips with necessary infrastructure already in place ready for such a scenario.
EliteCommInc wrote to me:
You, little guy, are stupid and you obviously cannot type (or proofread)!
I did not say my arguments were “new,” merely that they are true.
The moron also wrote:
I did not call on the “international community”: I pointed out what the UN Charter says.
The UN Charter is written in general terms, without being biased in one or the other direction. That is good.
In individual crises, however, international politics comes into play. I suspect that by the “international community” you mean largely the puppet states in Europe occupied by the US military.
Countries occupied by the US military are not exactly free actors.
The moron also wrote:
Say what?
Look: you can’t read, you can’t write, you can’t type, and you can’t proofread.
Enough.
mulga mumblebrain wrote to EliteCommInc.:
You really think she is an American?
Her grammar, spelling, and usage are not those of a native English speaker.
Of course, given the current state of American schools…
Or maybe she is just a six-year-old whom Mommy allowed to get on the computer!
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Been_Dumb wrote to me:
Turns out he was in a position to set such hegemonic requirements, because Russia is indeed the hegemon in the “near abroad.”
There are certain realities in this world, youngster.
Been_dumb also wrote:
You mean, the heroic SMO to enforce Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter, which guarantees to the people of the Donbass the right of self-determination?
Been_dumb also wrote:
Yep, that’s what happens during a war! If Ukraine does not work out a deal soon along the lines of Putin’s demands, Putin may just end up grabbing the whole decrepit little country.
The neo-Nazi puppet regime in Kiev started this war by its aggressions against the Donbass.
Now they’re coming to regret it.
Reality is tough, isn’t it?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
The UN Charter is written in general terms, without being biased in one or the other direction. That is good.
In individual crises, however, international politics comes into play. I suspect that by the “international community” you mean largely the puppet states in Europe occupied by the US military.
PhysicistDave respects the rule of international law.
So did you agree with the UN 143-5 vote on Russia being the unjust aggressor in the war and that the annexation is illegal:
Continuing its emergency special session, the General Assembly today condemned the Russian Federation’s attempted illegal annexation of the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine, and demanded it immediately withdraw all its military forces from Ukraine territory.
https://press.un.org/en/2022/ga12458.doc.htm
Russia should recognize the rule of the UN and return to their borders then, correct?
The reality is that Russia has had nothing to offer the rest of the world except natural resources (oil, gas, minerals, agriculture), which were sold to support a corrupt system of cronyism , with severe restraints upon open criticism. Putin’s severe inferiority complex necessitated (in his mind) a quest for territorial expansion, to undo the breakup of the USSR he had announced in March 2018, imposed by harnessing male human resources as cannon fodder. Scroll up to my comment #239 in which Putin publicly explained why he embarked on his misadventure. Check the archives for the full quote in context.
Recall that I had pointed out your false claims that were intended to pretend that Putin had been reasonable in making unacceptable demands that violated basic legal principles, including Russia’s international agreements. Putin did not annex the four eastern provinces (the territories of which the Russian army did not even fully control) until September, 2022, more than seven months after he had initiated the war of aggression in Ukraine. That illegal maneuver was subsequently rejected at the United Nations, by 143 votes, with only 5 countries supporting it, of which only North Korea and Syria then formally recognized what Putin had demanded.
No, shortly after the corrupt leader Yanukovych was formally removed from power in a legal parliamentary procedure in 2014 upon having fled the country – because he suddenly realized that he could not win the early elections that he had just agreed to – Putin began to instigate a proxy guerrilla war in the eastern region of Ukraine by supporting regional militia groups with Russian soldiers and materiel.
Your comments expose yourself as just another conformist dupe glorifying or apologizing for old fashioned imperialism, violence and aggression, including mass murder of hundreds of thousands of people to placate the whims of a megalomaniac. I recall you also vigorously supported the ridiculous collapse theory of the three buildings at the World Trade Center at this web site, notwithstanding the evidence of explosives used to bring them down.
Leading Zed blogger Maxim Kalashnikov says that the Russian troops are exhausted and Kherson is unrealistic.
Kind of interesting how Western pro-Putin bloggers have a much rosier picture of the war than actual Russians.
Maxim Kalashnikov is a Russian nationalist who supports taking neighboring countries that do not have NATO protection
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Maxim_Kalashnikov
Appreciate the reminder to proof rfead. No issues.
Now to the issues,
1. My points is that the arguments are not new nor are they true. They are not true now. Tey were not true last week, last month, not a year ago nor when they first made. And they have been addressed and demonstrably proven inaccurate as far back as 2014. They are the standard Russian contentions to justify their invasion and they simply lack any support
2. When you use the UN as a means of support, you are relying the international standards — the international community. And in your case you do not do so in general, but make specific references yto the US Charter. Then one would conclude that the UN actually endorses your position. In general the UN acknowldges right of peoples as nations to establish themselves – but they do not tackle the matter hidge podge. They examine the the conditions and in this case the issue is taking place in Ukraine and the UN has not authrorized or endorsed and voted mediated by Russia anywhere in Ukraine. The issues of national civil affairs would be conducted by the peoples of the state/nation in question. And neither UYkraine nor the UN has endorsed or supported the Russian contention. In fact . . . as per representatibves of the UN — they reject Russian conduct on all fronts.
3. No I mean the international community you invoke to make your case. And they don’t support your contentions regarding Russia’s conduct to resolve any internal civil matters in Ukraine. Even the OSCE another organization Russia has called upon to support arguments has not endorsed Russian conduct. In fact, one of the primary courses of action in resolving those issues. The OSCE required all foreign military to exit — Russia refused. So much for neutral — even the organization Russia called upon to mediate — and Russia could not abide that simple standard. I won’t address the lother issues in which the OSCE found Russia wanting. But as I say these are old issues explicated repeatedly.
Whoa nelly and oyy veh,
you invoked the UN. My invite is very simple — demonstrate that the UN actually endorses Russia’s conduct in resolving the internal dispute within sovereign Ukraine.
Whether I can read, write is not germaine that you demionstrate that the UN actually endorses Russia’s conduct. It’s that simple. There was no case posted before the UN for a severance. The regions in question did not press the matter beforfe the UN. So exactly what is this ringing endorsement you are claiming. You remind me of US citizens who cite the declaration of indepence in support of some internation human rights case. It simply is irrelevant if the the document has no force. Therefore as the UN Charter defining these issues was not set out before the UN, invoking the principles is nice but has no force.
And the references I place on the table — roundly denies your claims as the UN has rejected Russia’s claims as well as yours.
Very much like your previous statements of fact, they are not facts.
I am curious, exactly state UN directive, proposal declaration — or program endorses Russia’s unilateral conduct.
There are certain realities in the world and one of them is that Russia’s conduct is endorsed a philosophy that is simply dangerous
power makes right, sphere’s on influence . . . and that ever troubling ethjnic loyalty that Europe and Asia constantly drag into discussions to violate others borders. You don’t like the Ukrainians or their laws — move. But if you choose to violence to get your way — expect to met with violence.
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Dr. Sachs, Dr. Mearsheimer’s contention have opened a can of worms once canned — surely if Russia has that right, then so does China, Israel, Egypt, India, Pakistan . . .
One cannot defend Russian conduct and at the same time condemn Israel’s arguments to do the same to the supposedly corrupt Muslims. It was an unwise choice to follow that line of reasoning in the modern world.
Benn_dumb wrote to me:
And I should care because…?
Been_dumb also wrote:
The DPR and LPR had declared their independence prior to the heroic SMO, as they had a perfect right to do. Perhaps you recall a famous document that begins:
We celebrated that document two days ago (the Continental Congress actually voted for independence on July 2; July 4 celebrates adoption of the Declaration).
If you disagree with those principles, you have no right to live in the United States of America.
Please leave.
Putin formally recognized the republics’ independence on February 21, 2022, before the heroic SMO.
Some months later, the republics chose to accede to the Russian Federation, as was their natural right according to our Declaration and Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter.
Been_dumb also wrote:
The “maneuver” was legal under the UN Charter and our Declaration. Who cares how the deeply corrupt kleptocracies that make up the UN voted?
Irrelevant.
Been_dumb also wrote:
Are you talking about US military occupation of most of the countries of Europe almost eight decades after the end of WW II? Or the US fighting an imperialist proxy war against the people of the Donbass who are exercising their natural right to self-determination?
Most bizarrely, the head of the hegemonic US recently forced the puppet regimes in Europe (all buckled except for Spain) to dramatically up their military spending.
Or else.
Of course, they aren’t really going to do it. They were just bowing and scraping to the Emperor when he was in town.
I think it is kinda clear who is the imperialist here!
Look: as I have said, I really do not give a damn about Eastern Europe at all, though I do think the ongoing deaths are sad.
But I do care about my country involving itself in a proxy war half-way around the world to oppress the people of the Donbass. A war that is very expensive for US taxpayers and that risks a world war that could get us all killed.
You seem unwilling to confront two facts:
A) I really do want the US out of all foreign wars, good or bad, specifically the ongoing proxy wars in Ukraine and the Mideast.
B) I really do think that the principles laid out in the UN Charter and our Declaration should apply to all peoples, including those in the Donbass — regardless of how the captive nations occupied by the US military and the other kleptocracies in the UN happen to vote.
Can you understand those two simple points.?
No, I suppose you really can’t.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
China’s very powerful AIs could probably be used in a fight against NATO. If Chinese companies ever develop AIs capable of writing just as well as an extremely verbally intelligent, creative human, then Chinese nationalists might start referring to the citizens of NATO countries as “chatbots.”
https://pumpkinperson.com/2025/07/01/if-ai-fails-caucasoids-may-face-a-shocking-new-racial-slur-chatbot/
As explained in that good blog post, AIs are about to tower over all of us as writers, if they aren’t already. We’ll see if AI will replace all human writers; it’ll replace writers before it replaces visuospatial people like pilots and architects. I can relate: I personally find it much easier to apply my verbal skills than to apply my spatial skills, besides navigating around the world while walking or driving.
EliteCommInc.wrote to me:
A I keep saying — again and again and again! — there is no dispute that the Donebass republics chose not to be part of the regime based in Kiev.
I think that the neo-Nazi Kievan regime was an illegal puppet regime established in the illegal putsch orchestrated by Victoria Nuland in 2014.
But even if the regime in Kiev were not an illegal puppet regime, the principle of “self-determination of peoples” stated in Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter and laid out in great detail in the Declaration of Independence gives the Donbass the right to refuse to be part of the regime based in Kiev and, indeed, to accede to the Russian Federation.
Just as Ukraine had a right to secede from the Soviet Union in 1991, or for that matter the United States had a right to secede from Great Britain.
If the Donbass did not have that right, then both Ukraine itself and the United States of America would be illegal states.
The vote of the UN, the attitude of the “international community,” none of that matters: as the UN Charter and the Declaration state, people have the right to throw off a government they find unacceptable, no matter what the “international community” says.
To hell with the “rules-based order,” which is somehow always defined so as to agree with the desires of the American Hegemon!
The regime in Kiev used military force against the Donbass to try to force it to remain subject to the regime in Kiev, in violation of the right of “self-determination of peoples” stated in Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter and the Declaration of Independence.
Russia had a right under international law to come to the aid of the Donbass republics when they were attacked by the regime in Kiev, precisely as France had a right to come to the aid of the United States when we seceded from Great Britain.
If you deny Russia’s right to aid the Donbass republics in their act of independence, you are also condemning France’s right to aid the newly independent United States.
EliteCommInc also said:
Yes, yes! It is indeed an earth-shatteringly dangerous philosophy, the philosophy which we celebrated two days ago when we celebrated the Continental Congress’ vote endorsing the United States Declaration of Independence. It is a philosophy corrosive of almost all the established political systems existing on this planet for thousands of years. It is profoundly — how to say this? — revolutionary!
It is the philosophy on which the United States of America is openly and explicitly based, a truly revolutionary philosophy.
If you do not like it, please do not stay in the United States of America.
Leave.
EliteCommInc also wrote:
Yes, yes — I think maybe your are starting to get it:
As the people of the thirteen colonies did, as the people of the Donbass, did, and as the peoples of so many former European colonies did. And it is the right of anyone to aid them in that endeavor, as the French did for the US and as the Russians did for the Donbass in the noble and heroic SMO!
You starting to get it now?
EliteCommInc. also wrote:
Israel is an illegal state established by the Western imperialists in the wake of WW II. It must be and will be wiped off the map.
Just like the Kievan puppet regime propped up by the US hegemon. The US is fighting proxy wars against both the Palestinians and the Donbass.
The US must be defeated in both proxy wars.
And, in the end, it will be.
Despite guys like you who wish to defend the neocon project in Ukraine.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
Nuland very, very clearly thinks she can make it happen the way she wants. She is not expressing vague wishes — she is laying out detailed plans.
She was a high-ranking US government official, who speaks Russian, who was on the ground in Ukraine at the time, and who was well-connected to the main figures in the putsch. And, of course as the recording makes clear, she thought she could boss around top figures in the UN and, most importantly, the US government (e.g., the Vice-President).
You and Been_dumb may think she was just fantasizing. Well, it did indeed work out as she planned. And she was there — you weren’t.
I think it would be wise therefore to accept her evaluation of her power over your theory that she was just fantasizing.
To put it is simple terms, if I claim I can run a four-minute mile, and then I actually run the four-minute mile, I am not just fantasizing.
Nuland ran that four-minute mile.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
No, I am not. I’m appealing to the UN Charter, not to the UN itself nor to the international community.
You really can’t grasp this, can you?
This is very simple: if the US government violates the Bill of Rights, I can appeal to the Bill of Rights against the US government.
And I am appealing to the UN Charter against the UN.
I deeply despise the UN and the “international community.” But there are parts of the UN Charter that are pretty good.
EliteCommInc. also wrote:
No, do you see why what you wrote is nonsensical? I am appealing to the UN Charter against the UN.
EliteCommInc. also wrote:
The Donbass is no longer part of Ukraine. They were independent for a while, and then they chose to join the Russian Federation — both of which they have a right to do under the principle of “self-determination of peoples,” as laid out in Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter and our own Declaration of Independence.
Neither Ukraine nor the UN has any jurisdiction.
EliteCommInc. also wrote:
Are you getting the point yet that I did not invoke the UN???
I invoked the UN Charter against the UN.
You are defending the “rules-based order” that serves the goals of the US Hegemon, with the US generally able to use the UN as its patsy to cover its crimes.
I hate that “rules-based order,”I hate the US Hegemon, and I hate the UN, and I want to see them all destroyed.
And you gotta admit, Russia is indeed doing a pretty good job of doing precisely that!
Dave Miller in Sacramento
When you have a chance visit Professor Michael Hammer’s “Hammer Lab” site at the University of AZ. Hammer is geneticist and has done significant work in neuroscience, also. You are ready for a break from the loonie Ukie-trolls!
Some years ago I started following Hammer’s work after he said, in summary : “Before the great migrations began around 1500 CE, there was more genetic diversity in one African village than in all of Europe.” Despite Blacks having a generally lower IQ than Europeans and East Asians, it might be a mistake to not recognize the potential value of their heterogeneity to the rest of humanity.
Thanks to my wandering sailor Grandfather, I have 1/4 Black cousins who are very bright and accomplished, including a general officer, a very capable surgeon, another M.D and and a wealthy building contractor. Genetics is a young science and we have much to learn.
Elite Communist Incorporated writes:
From the internet:
A coupe or coupé (/kuːˈpeɪ/, also US: /kuːp/) is a passenger car with a sloping or truncated rear roofline and typically with two doors.
I’m aware that both America and the EU manufacture sports coupé motor vehicles.
But since when did NATO start making cars?
In any event, what have automobiles got to do with the DEMONSTRABLY TRUE FACT that the U.S orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014?
Elite Communist, you have a history of writing the most absurd things.
The sum total of what you know on geopolitical events is sourced from the corrupt ZOG owned MSM. All you do is repeat neocon talking points.
Do you have any critical thinking capabilities whatsoever? Have you ever discerned right from wrong on your own, in your entire miserable life?
You are indeed ONE DUMB BASTARD.
Jewish John’s Johnson (JJJ) writes:
You’ve asked this almost identical question numerous times in the past. And each time I reply with the EXACT same reply. So here goes that SAME response once again:
ALL OF YOUR SOURCES ARE FAKE – be they from Kanal13, Oryx or someone you allege to be a Russian blogger (who is almost certainly a mendacious Jew operating out of western Ukraine or perhaps from his Shin Bet office cubicle in the bowels of the Negev desert).
That fact is JJJ, as countless participants in the UR commentariat will testify, YOU LIE LIKE YOU BREATHE.
You also write:
In the aftermath of 9/11, the headline that 19 Arabs hijacked four aircraft, striking two buildings (yet somehow bringing down FOUR buildings – WTC 1 & 2, WTC 6 & 7), also made international news.
But of course we know that to be FALSE.
There is NO PROOF that a single one of those 19 alleged hijackers boarded ANY of those four planes. Moreover, the four planes alleged to have crashed on 9/11 (with real passengers and crew), did not crash that day.
They were electronically commandeered mid air and replaced with (in three out of the four cases) look-a-like remotely guided Boeing drone planes that did the crashing that day.
But somehow you are unable to figure it out. You are indeed an unparalleled dumb cunt.
When you were born, your parents broke the mould.
(Also because you were eff’n ugly – and they couldn’t risk bringing another hideous monstrosity like you into the world).
Meanwhile, in an earlier comment you made mention of a HIMARS unit that was still operable and then claimed that the Russians clearly didn’t turn all of them into scrap iron as I’d previously stated.
Well GUESS EFF’N WHAT?
After the Russians blew up all the previous ones, the Judeo-Ukrainian regime of the poisonous dwarf Zelensky ordered another one from ZOG owned/controlled Lockheed Martin – which they eff’n well delivered*.
(*No doubt the one you allude to is located in the western most part of Ukraine, near to the Polish border. Because anything east of that has long since been turned into smouldering embers by the Russians).
Your attempted analogy with the US colonialists declaring independence from Britain in 1776 is inappropriate. Just because a few Russian controlled fringe militia groups declared independence on behalf of a much greater population within Ukraine that did not agree and preferred autonomy within Ukraine instead – but were not allowed to vote on this issue – does not make the declaration legitimate, especially because no other country officially recognized it anyway. You are engaging in self-deception when making your revised claim, which contradicted your earlier claim.
Also, since you mentioned it twice, you ought to explain what was supposedly so “heroic” about an intended three-day “special” military operation to stage a violent coup in Kiev, which had to be aborted because Russian troops were repelled at the periphery of the city. It was actually a colossal blunder. Putin and the ill-prepared Russian troops made a mockery of themselves, resorted to looting stores because they ran out of food after three days, got bogged down in a huge traffic jam, in part due to cheap tires made in China.
The attempted referendum in September 2022, under coercion in the midst of a war, was a sad joke, a clear act of desperation by Putin. Asserting that all this was legal according to UN principles further exposes your ignorance. True independence must come from the will of the population rather than under military duress; in any case the annexation you describe amounts to involuntary subjugation instead of independence.
“Elite Communist, you have a history of writing the most absurd things.
The sum total of what you know on geopolitical events is sourced from the corrupt ZOG owned MSM. All you do is repeat neocon talking points.
Do you have any critical thinking capabilities whatsoever? ”
Very well said, thanks Truth Vigilante!
John’s Johnson, remember how around 18 months ago you were boasting about the arrival of the M1A1 Abrams tanks, to bolster the sagging fortunes of the Judeo-Ukrainian Armed Forces?
You were saying stuff like:
‘Just you wait and see. They’ll smash the Russians’, or something equivalent to that.
Well, the following 8 min video titled ‘Abrams Destroyed and Captured in Kursk! Russia Now Has More US Tanks Than Ukraine!’ would suggest otherwise:
The caption below the video reads:
That’s right. The Aussies are handing over 49 useless Abrams tanks (those equipped with Depleted Uranium armour plates), to the hapless Ukies.
And good riddance I say. These boat anchors should never have been purchased on the Australian taxpayers dime.
And, when the Russians drones blow them up, that Depleted Uranium (DU) is going to do a whole lot of damage to that vicinity of Ukraine where it’s deployed. It’s going to be Fallujah Iraq all over again, as Ukrainian babies are going to be born with hideous deformities for years to come from the DU that leaches into the soil and water supply.
John’s Johnson, have you ever gotten a single eff’n thing right about this proxy war?
Look back through the UR archives and show me just ONE THING, just one eff’n weapons system of the Anglo-Zionist empire that you were boasting about, which has had even partial success.
UR readers, I recall John’s Johnson saying the U.S was going to send some Javelins* to Ukraine.
(*The AMC Javelins were a late 60’s/early 70’s muscle car that was far from inspiring even when it was new over 50 years ago).
I believe John’s Johnson was suggesting that those Javelins equipped with a big block engine, could generate quite a head of steam and supposedly run over Russian infantry in open country.
Well J & J, how did that work out for you?
Then J & J said he’d send his in-laws to frighten the Russians. (Or was that NLAWS?).
Either way, it proved a disaster – although sending the former would’ve PTSD’ed countless hundreds of Russians and rendered them combat ineffective.
(Because listening to whining Jews can really do your head in).
UR readers I ask you, did anyone really think that U.S and NATO backing for Ukraine was ever going to even partially impede the unstoppable behemoth otherwise known as the Russian Armed Forces?
I mean, the U.S could not defeat a few thousand lightly armed Taliban in Afghanistan, despite nearly 20 years of combat operations in which to do so.
This is already a debacle of unprecedented proportions for the Anglo-Zionist empire and its grovelling vassals.
You just can’t help but laugh at the apologists for this ZOG orchestrated war – like Jewish John’s Johnson, Been_There_Dung_That, Elite Communist Incorporated and their ignorant ilk.
(There was another unpleasant individual with the handle J2/aka Juif Deux also rooting for the Judeo-Ukrainian regime in various UR threads over the last 3 years.
But he’s in hiding now. He got tired of the repeated shellackings from countless UR participants, and went into hibernation in that hole from whence he came).
The other clowns I’ve mentioned above would be well advised to do likewise.
You’ve all embarrassed yourselves.
ALL OF YOUR SOURCES ARE FAKE – be they from Kanal13, Oryx or someone you allege to be a Russian blogger (who is almost certainly a mendacious Jew operating out of western Ukraine or perhaps from his Shin Bet office cubicle in the bowels of the Negev desert).
So any unwanted information must be Jews in cubicles creating what look like Russians on cell phone videos….in Russia.
Do you accept any Russian bloggers are real? How about Maxim Kalashnikov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Kalashnikov
He is real, correct?
There is NO PROOF that a single one of those 19 alleged hijackers boarded ANY of those four planes.
I really don’t take part in 911 discussions so not sure why you are ranting about that.
Do you go a day in down under without thinking about COVID, Jews and 911?
But somehow you are unable to figure it out.
You quoted and responded to yourself there.
Meanwhile, in an earlier comment you made mention of a HIMARS unit that was still operable and then claimed that the Russians clearly didn’t turn all of them into scrap iron as I’d previously stated.
Well GUESS EFF’N WHAT?
After the Russians blew up all the previous ones, the Judeo-Ukrainian regime of the poisonous dwarf Zelensky ordered another one from ZOG owned/controlled Lockheed Martin – which they eff’n well delivered*.
Oh wow so you have information on not only how many HIMARS have been destroyed but also on some recent purchase that wasn’t in the news.
So go ahead and share your source. Of course we both know you don’t have one but I’ll ask anyways for rhetorical purposes.
This however was in the news:
Thanks to Ukraine, Poland Wants to Buy 486 HIMARS
https://wesodonnell.medium.com/thanks-to-ukraine-poland-wants-to-buy-486-himars-048c136e9c95
Profits for the US defense industry, dead Slavs on both sides.
Now matter where the final lines are drawn it is undeniable that Putin’s war has been on long free commercial for US defense companies. Their executives get new yachts and vacations while Slavic families on both sides bury their fathers and sons.
Take that Jews!- A retard
John’s Johnson, remember how around 18 months ago you were boasting about the arrival of the M1A1 Abrams tanks, to bolster the sagging fortunes of the Judeo-Ukrainian Armed Forces?
You were saying stuff like:
Just you wait and see. They’ll smash the Russians’, or something equivalent to that.
Once again you are working from your imagination.
Go ahead and quote me. I never said the tanks will smash the Russians or change the war.
Or show everyone that you can’t.
18 months ago doesn’t even make sense. The tank controversy was in 2022.
I supported sending tanks to Ukraine because they were requested. Tanks on both sides have been targeted by drones. Ukraine has requested more Bradleys but not tanks for that reason. Unlike you I can honestly appraise the utility of various weapons without going into 12 year old girl levels of gossip and cheerleading.
John’s Johnson, have you ever gotten a single eff’n thing right about this proxy war?
Look back through the UR archives and show me just ONE THING, just one eff’n weapons system of the Anglo-Zionist empire that you were boasting about, which has had even partial success.
Not sure what you mean by boasting as that seems to be projecting on your part. But there are obviously successful weapons like the Patriot, HIMARS, Bradley and Javalin if Ukraine has requested more of them. Zelensky in fact offered to purchase more Patriot missiles. The Bradley has been a surprise success as it was set to be decommissioned. There are videos where they describe exactly what they like over the Soviet BMP. You can easily find them on youtube but we both know you will continue to alt-isolate.
I believe John’s Johnson was suggesting that those Javelins equipped with a big block engine, could generate quite a head of steam and supposedly run over Russian infantry in open country.
Well J & J, how did that work out for you?
Yes we all get that you are making reference to a 1970s car. Is that supposed to be funny? You really have those lame drunk uncle jokes that people only pretend to like to be polite. HAR HAR cause a word sounds like another word. Har.
A major mistake in this analysis is coming from the misinterpretation that Russia isn’t winning the war quickly . But Russia isn’t trying to win the war but is seeking to do multiple things: First and foremost, its main objective is to destroy NATO weapons and stockpiles without attacking any of the NATO countries. That’s being achieved because after 3 years of war and constant supply by EU to the absolute detriment of their individual defence needs , Russia has successfully destroyed most of the NATO weaponry knowing fully well that it cannot be replaced in the same proportion. Secondly, it’s able to show the entire world barring the west and its stooges the superior quality of its weapons . Imagine the post conflict weapons sales and how much business they are going to get. Thirdly, eurasia is under Russian protection including China and not the other way around. China is not yet ready to fight the US whatever the publicity says otherwise, so they have been wise enough to stay behind and let Russia take the lead . Fourthly, without fighting directly , Russia has kind of achieved the objective of NATO and EU dissolvement which is just a matter of years when a deindustrialised EU overrun by third world islamic immigrants and a surging right wing with a military trained militia of disgruntled Ukrainian Neo nazis acting as the vanguard start to battle each other to death .
That was cute. And it was funny. laugh.
You don’t have a shred of evidence that the US did any such thing. You don’t have a shred of evidence the EU did any such thing. You don’t have any evidence that NATO did any such thing.
When I say any such thing, I mean that none of the afformentioned parties engaged in stealing thewill of the people by sabotaging their nation’s process in a coup and they did not confiscate their coupes either.
The revolutions in Ukraine have been consistent. Protests against corruption and Russian influence were not conceived in the US, the EU or NATO and more than the retraction of the Soviet Union. Countries simply called it quits they along with Russia agreed — the system was untennable and as such countries, former members simply opted to go their own way or join the Russian Federation. Ukraine during her development has struggled to have a sustainable working democratic state – their choice. And in that process, the citizens have gone through several protests to make it clear what they prefer. The people of ukraine may consider US and western suggestions but at the end of the day they make their own choices.
And if you really want to be technical — there was no
coup detat
by the west. There was a spontaneous oupouring of discontent with government and they were removed — that’s generally understood as a revolution.
if you want to examine a coup detat, then look to the actions onthe small group of rebels in the Oblast regions attempted o siez power by force and were defeated. Then Russia stepped and attempted to Obfiscate a peace process by making groundless claims about ethnic loyalty violating at least three Peace Treaties in which Russia vowed to ensure Ukrainian sovereignty, including Crimea. You might actuallyt want to revoew those treayies in which Russia acknowledged all parts of Crimea as part Ukraine as part of Ukraine proper. There are no caveats in those treaties and no exceptions to the Ukrainian sovereignty.
Apprently treaties aren’t worth the Vodka they are are toasted with when it comes to Russian whims.
Westrn press ZOG — that is cute to0. The press did not write those treaty agreements signed by Russia.
Get a grip and get a clue. This is not aboutnazis, ethnic rssians, freedm for the Oblast – it’s about Russian ego and desire for old world empire period.
Dumb I may be, but there has yet been a case made that the US was involved in a coup detat in Ukraine.
EliteCommInc. has no affiliation to or with any communist organization, agenda or ideology.
Well, your own comments make my case. Sure she thinks she can convince the Ukrainians to do this or that — that was not the cause of the revolution by the public enmasse. The Ukrainians did not say —
“Wow” Mrs Kagan says . . . let’s take to the streets. And get rid of these leaders who absolutely refuse to do the will of the people.” That did not happen, during that process Mrs Kagan (Adviser Nuland) attempted to the leadership to compromise — the told her to take a hike. They went the opposite direction – no comprmise as they felt that compromising ad been more damagimg to peace or resolution to clean up the the problems they were facing.
I hate to break the news to you, but leaders of ther countries rejecting US overtures of advise is not new and its not rare. Clearly while, certainly desirous of US support — Ukrainias are not puppets. Ad they should continue to avoid becoming one. Bully for them —-
Events of the revolution were way ot and above Mrs Kagan’s head and pay grade. The best the can afterwards is help manage the transitions — hence the mystical tape that many try to portray as a US interference to cause a coupe. Apparently, the Europeans had ideas of their own on the atter that Mrs Kagan disgreed with. So what — alliances have disagreements all the time. Discord among friends does not a coup make —
Plans, it’s barely a frame work in progress in fact the gentleman she is talking with is keen on sending someone else to quarterback any advice the US might have. Laughing high ranking , well connected, does ot a coup make. He may think that MrsKagan has done a fine job, but whats coming may require a diffeent set of players. Her deatils are to name players and why such players could, or shoud not due X. You think that is a plan. No listen to the tape. They are attempting to form a plan. In fact, truth be old, it appears thatthey were caught let footed and are ad hcing their agenda as events unfold — they are riders not drivers.
She’s not directing she attempting to get in the game. No it did not work out. There was no compromise a key fixture among westerners. Laughing speaking russian and stationed in Ukraine — shocker. I suspect many advisers to Ukraine spoke not only Russian but Ukrainain as well. listen to er speech to Congress . . . she says what should happen and she is no longer a player. hardly the disposition of a coup leader crucual to events of toppling a government — good grief it’s quite clear – that even the S grasped just how intensely ukrainians valued their independence. Here’s a clue — Pres Trump is a high ranking official and Ukraine while not wanting to lose US support has rebuffed his advice and they should continue to do as long as he making the claims thus far made.
Just my own considering here — I wonder if Mrs Kagan speaks Ukrainian. If not they ,ay explain a whole lot. anyway —- your conspiracy teory has no support – no legs – no evidence. It does have a host of vague conjectures. And like many of yhe players she was pushing for is not in the game crrently. Most importantly — she does not ever even suggest that the US was engaged in over throwing the previous government —
Sure, what is a democracy . . . how it works . . . from the vantage of the US. Russia was also on scene and what really gets their goat is that they were rejected while on the same playground as Ukraine. What Victoria nuland says is that the transitin worked – even if if it did not go as she and others might have wanted.
you need new tea leaves.
The Tour de France is taking place now, with scores of cyclists powering through the northern French countryside and the beautiful towns there. The riders have been frequently met along their routes near the Belgian border by cheering spectators often waving French flags. Since cycling is so much more dangerous and less popular in the United States than in Europe, the popularity of the sport in Europe shows that modern Europeans are capable of collective action that is independent of American influence.
A major mistake in this analysis is coming from the misinterpretation that Russia isn’t winning the war quickly . But Russia isn’t trying to win the war but is seeking to do multiple things: First and foremost, its main objective is to destroy NATO weapons and stockpiles without attacking any of the NATO countries.
Putin stated the war was about stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO. That goal has failed as NATO moved east through Finland.
Most of the weapons donated were second or third gen.
Weapons to Ukraine have been like a garage/donation sale. They aren’t getting F-35s or AC-130s. Germany still won’t give them the Taurus which is somewhat old tech. The latest US drones aren’t going to Ukraine. The military doesn’t want them ending up in Russian hands.
Russia has successfully destroyed most of the NATO weaponry knowing fully well that it cannot be replaced in the same proportion.
That would not be true.
NATO countries all still have their first gen weapons. Trump has in fact pressured NATO countries to increase purchases of US military weapons. The complete opposite of what you are trying to suggest.
Russia has kind of achieved the objective of NATO and EU dissolvement which is just a matter of years when a deindustrialised EU overrun by third world islamic immigrants and a surging right wing with a military trained militia of disgruntled Ukrainian Neo nazis acting as the vanguard start to battle each other to death .
Put down the cope already. You’re trying to make up new goals when Putin gave a speech that outlined his goals:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-putin-s-declaration-of-war-on-ukraine/
He said very clearly that he has to invade to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO. He said nothing about lowering weapons supplies. That really doesn’t make any sense and his war has in fact reinvigorated the US weapons industry. Both HIMARS and 155mm production have expanded. HIMARS is backordered for over 10 years. Before Putin’s invasion no one knew what a HIMARS was.
As for Islamic immigrants it is Russia that has Europe’s largest Muslim population and unlike the Slavic population it has a very positive fertility rate. Putin continues to bring in Muslim immigrants to replace the Slavs. Of course that is never discussed by Tucker or any of his Western defenders.
Once AI gets to the next level (less than ten years) there will be no need for any of your skills unless you are top 0.1% in mental creativity. AI can be used to create automatons to complete any normal tasks including traditional incremental engineering.
Replacement of most humans seems to be the fundamental goal of the AI push.
Lil EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
Everybody in Ukraine spoke Russian. It is Zelensky’s native language.
Ukrainian is basically a dialect of Russian. I had several years of high-school Russian — I actually do know something about this.
As I explained above, the Kiev regime tried to de-Russify Ukrainian because the dialects are so close. (By the way, Wikipedia has a decent discussion of that, but I know about it from my old Ukrainian friend, not from Wikipedia.)
Nuland could speak to anyone in Ukraine in Russian.
The tiny guy also wrote:
Shortly after the heroic SMO started, Kiev had worked out peace provisions in Turkey.
Then BoJo the Clown told them not to go for it.
They obeyed.
So, yes, the Ukrainians are indeed puppets.
This is a proxy war NATO is fighting against Russia.
Ukrainians are NATO puppets.
Increasingly, dead puppets.
Again, Nuland clearly thought she could shape how the situation evolved. You think she couldn’t. It worked out as she planned.
On the face of it, her judgment is better informed than yours.
Yes, she is an evil, malevolent, murderous piece of human waste.
But she was there.
And you weren’t.
Again, the only real issue here is quite simple:
A) Do you agree that the thirteen colonies had the right to secede from Great Britain because, as they publicly proclaimed, any people has the right to secede from any government that they find undesirable?
B) If your answer to “A” is “yes,” then why doesn’t the same principle apply to the people of the Donbass when they chose not to be governed from Kiev?
I am pretty certain that you will not honestly answer those questions because, for some reason, you choose to act as a mouthpiece for the US Deep State.
And I also very much suspect that your answer to “A” is “No,” that is that you deny the fundamental principle upon which the United States of Ammerica was openly and clearly founded.
Am I right?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Mu old buddy John Johnson wrote to Tranceislife:
The NATO leaders, all except Spain, were lying when they told Trump they would dramatically increase their military spending.
When the Emperor shows up, you bow and scrape and tell him whatever he wants to hear.
And then he leaves and his (very limited) attention focuses on other matters.
And you go back to business as usual.
You might want to read up on “Potemkin village.”
Or read Hans Christian Andersen’s The Emperor’s New Clothes.
Now, if you really believed what the little European marionettes told Emperor Trump, would you be interested in investing in a bridge I have for sale?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Been_dumb wrote to me:
Why on earth does it matter if any other country recognized it?
Do you think the Declaration of Independence was illegitimate until some other country recognized it?
I would have welcomed a carefully conducted referendum on secession within the Donbass. But of course Kiev would not allow it. But the closest we got was the referendum under Putin.
Not perfect, but better than nothing.
Been_Dumb also wrote:
I’m not appealing to the UN.
I am citing the UN Charter and the Declaration of Independence.
Suppose there had been a very open, very careful referendum in the Donbass on secession, and the secessionists had won.
In all honesty, would you then support their secession?
Can you answer that?
Really?
I would be quite pleased if part of the peace agreement involved such referenda in the four oblasts and Crimea. I’ll even suggest some truly neutral arbiters and observers — South Africa, Brazil, and Vietnam. No one from either NATO or the Russian coalition.
Would you like that? Do you think Kiev will agree to that?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Nice try. You can reference that the US is not following her own ethos. But your claims have no force. It’s an observation. You claim ad your appeal would only work in some manner f jurisdictional act. Your using the UN Charter to make a claim to jstify said act. ignoring some simple and basic principles:
Russia has no mandate to make a case anywhere except in Russia for adherence to to some principle in another’s jusrisdiction. So russia if sought to legitmately make a case in woud do what nations and people all across the planet do. They come before the UN to make their case and seen UN sanction – agreement and support. Neiter Russia, nor the rebelling erritories did any such thing. hate to break it to you – the UN has not sanctioned russia to enforce or even entreat UN principles anywhere in the world and np such ideal has been sought by the Ukrainian provinces in question.
Laugh. Just because russians are squatting on territories not their own does not in any manner — relieve them from the legtimate accusation of land theft. No. Their ivasion and occupation does not mean they own it anymore than joe smith squatting in your back yard – makes that yard his. Nor does your iability to remove him make it his. It’s just theft – pure plain and simple.
Just an FYI — The UN is an international organization alpealing to their charter is a claim to some international community. Whether its the principles or some other written matter in the charter and it here you fail miserably, the UN Charter has a process for those seekig redress. There is no mandate that one simpy make a claim and therefore it is. Your hattrick to play piece meal is quite the Russian and Chinese and Israeli playing card. nonetheless it is failure.
here’s the process.
https://www.ump-lycees.fr/en/comment-can-a-country-join-the-un
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Let’s continue your determined trek off the rails perspective. No. t is nothing like the revolution you raise.
1. this is not 18th century politics, though many are advocating as much.
2. The founders sought to be a free and indpendt nation state or states
3. France expressed no intention of annexing the colonies seeking aide.
Russia has not freed a single province, It has claimed them as her own (theft) No cae exists to make this comparison it’s not a bridge too far — it is not a bridge at all. Crimea the very same tactic, move to protect the navt nase — one that according to treaty was to pperated jointly. And then as it turned the military is conductig elections and Russia is claiming ownwership. And I have already posted what the Un thinks about Russia’s UN charer conduct in both instances. Bill of rights — laugh. Next you’ll be culling the civil war for aid to your mess.
4. the regions in question did not have a spontaneous outpouring among the population. A small contingent orchestated some murders, and force pressured local officials, started a war of rebellion that they lost and then appealed to Russia for aide. In fact, it is more than likely the rebellious factions were in fact Russians set about to retake Ukraine because in the mind of the Kremlin, Ukraine is not areal country. I am sure you can find some planue in the charter that entitles russia to decide who is a country and who is not. Oy.
The UN is not in violation of its mandate to acknowledge new countries. They have not blocked members from the states in rebellion to petition or cosideration. They hae acknowledged that currently Ukraine is a sovereign state and tat includes the regions in who attempted a coup. That includes Crimea . It rejects russian claims and rejects Russia’s annexation as unwarranted. And certainly in violation of the agreed upon standards of the UN membership including Russia.
No. In fact Russia looks uite inept. It was supposed to take three months, six months, 1 year . . . that was three years ago. They have accused and threatened nuclear exchange should Ukraine be supported. They have kidnapped children. Atacked civilian targets. Refused to meet to negotiate a settlement Played for time to seize more territory. Devestated their economy. Made NATO stromger. Pushed more states to pursue a NATO membership sooner rather than later. Destabilized the region. Squandered more than 20 years of successful diplomacy.
As for your Un Charter gymnastics, when Russia gives chechnya freedom, georgia, belarus, and others the sovereign status theu openly seek — then maybe one can Russia and you seriously.
Until then — Oy veh and nonsense and bullocks.
Your last comment I will address seperately.
People may have an above average IQ but can’t be labeled intelligent if they are unable to accurately predict the results of their actions. It was foreseeable by intelligent people that the Ukraine could not beat a country with three times its population and six times its GDP when that country considered the war to be of existential importance. It was foreseeable by intelligent people that America would not put troops on the ground when the Ukraine started losing.
I spend most of my time in the comment section of the Steve Sailer blog. There were numerous commenters like Twinkie, Jack D, Corvinus, HA, Pixo and John Johnson arguing for our Ukraine intervention. Most of them have now given up and slunk off, though I see John is still around. I am old and saw something similar with our Vietnam and Afghanistan adventures. Over time, fewer and fewer people continued to argue for them as it became more apparent they were bad ideas.
“(There was another unpleasant individual with the handle J2/aka Juif Deux also rooting for the Judeo-Ukrainian regime in various UR threads over the last 3 years.
But he’s in hiding now. He got tired of the repeated shellackings from countless UR participants, and went into hibernation in that hole from whence he came).
The other clowns I’ve mentioned above would be well advised to do likewise.”
The other commenters that you mentioned, like John Johnson, make much more sense than you. But I see that you have been missing me, I am on a vacation trip, but as you so much miss my comments, I will give one.
Firstly, this post of Ron Unz shows that he is a complete vatnik and vatnik articles are not worth to be commented. Yet, I will do so in this special case but not specifically to the false claims in the article, only to the general understanding of the Ukraine war and what is happening today.
“Prof. John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago ranks as one of our most distinguished political scientists, and in 2014 he gave a public lecture on the simmering Ukraine conflict that he warned might eventually lead to a major war in Europe.”
It is not Mearsheimer who correctly predicted what will eventually happen with Russia, it was Anatolyi Golitsyn in the 1980ies, before the Soviet Union collapsed. Golytsin wrote that the collapse was fake: Communistic economy had failed and KGB had to reform it through a fake collapse, but KGB did not disappear, it merely changed the name. The fake collapse was needed to reform the economy and to rebuild the military, but after these are done, we would see the following things and we see them now:
1. Western economy will be destroyed. This has been done with the help of Communistic China and Vietnam, with the help of globalists: most of industrial production has been moved to Far East.
2. The USA will be isolated. This is what the Russia asset Donald Trump is doing right now. Though Trump now announced that he will give Ukraine some defensive weapons, his pro-Putin approach is well expressed by his actions by now.
3. KGB will rebuild the Russian Empire. This is what ex-KGB Vladimir Putin is trying to do, but he seems to be failing.
The time schedule for these events followed from the state where the Soviet Union was in 1980ies (and later in 1990ies). It would take 15-20 years to rebuild the economy and the military, therefore about the first time for these events to start happening was around 2008 and that is the time when Putin essentially destroyed Russian democracy by turning into a for-ever leader of Russia instead of running for a president for two (or at most three) times only, as is a condition for a real democracy. Today Russia is an authoritarian country with imperialistic aspirations. This 15-20 years was the minimal time, while 30-40 years was the maximal time because the Soviet arsenal would become obsolete by that time. The West did not need to plan anything against Russia (and they did not make any such plans), all they needed to do is to wait for the large weapon arsenal to rust away. Putin could not wait so long, this is why the Ukraine war started in 2014 as a proxy war by Russia (but not as a proxy war by the West, the West was not interested) and as a totally failed special military operation in 2022.
Maidan was not a Western planned coup. An elected president can be legally imbeached by the parliament. We can see that the West was not preparing any war, proxy war or other war, against Russia by simply looking at the military production capabilities that Western countries had in 2022. No country is planning a war without first boosting weapon production capabilities and Western countries did not even have capabilities for producing sufficient amounts of artillery shells. Their military power was tuned for small operations against terrorists and small rogue states, not against Russia.
As for the state of the Ukraine war at this moment, Ukraine is still defending quite well, after three years and four months. Russian slow gains do not have any major military significance: the defender in an attrition war will withdraw from some area and cause large losses to the offender, that is how such a war should be fought. If the defender can maintain its military capability, the war is not lost. Indeed, my estimation of this war is that Russia has strategically lost this war already: Russian international and internal situation is worse after this war than what is was before the war. That is the real sense of losing a war, it is not gaining some area for a country that has lots of area.
As for nuking Western countries, that really are not the instigators of this war, it would be the most stupid thing to do. The West can defeat Russia in a conventional war. the power balance shows it clearly. Therefore an attack to the West would force Russia to go nuclear and then everybody loses. Russia is finally short of tanks and infantry vehicles, it is also running quite close to be short of artillery pieces. Russia will also be short of soldiers willing to continue present meat grinder attacks, just give it some more time. This willingness is a function of the ability of Russia to pay the soldiers and this ability may significantly degrade in rather close future.
The war in Ukraine was a direct result of an old KGB plot of a fake collapse of Communism. KGB stirred in the West pro-Putinists groups who imagine that they are rightists and against Jews, but this is all fake. It is simply the same agitprop in a new form. Useful idiots, or evil people, your pick.
The largest sample of IQ measurements of the Jews, with a high percentage of Ashkenazim Jews, is from Israel, and that sample yields an average IQ of 92.
Plus, PISA standardized tests of educational achievement conducted on youngsters put Israel inside the low-middle group, together with LatAm nations, with most Esst Asian and European nations well above Israel.
Even if you take out the proportion of Arabs in Israel the results above don’t change much.
So, Jews of any flavor are on average dumber than East Asians and Europeans.
But I propose to you the following: Jews, and perhaps Ashkenazim Jews specifically, have a higher variance of IQ or follow a longer-tailed distribution.
I tried to explain this to an average Jew posting here and he/she did not understand a word of what I was saying.
Great point, about the diversity of African human DNA.
I have traveled to all the world because of business. I know East Asians, Arabs, Indians, LatAms, Slavs, Western Europeans, Southern Europeans, North Africans, …, doing tasks that require instrospection, analysis and calculations. I’ve even stayed 2 weeks in one of the poorest nations of Africa.
After this experience of decades, I have great respect for all colors of humanity.
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I don’t think that Russia planned to make NATO consume so much materiel and the West so much treasure on project Ukraine. But NATO and the West did that on their own so yeah, at the end of the day Russia is achieving that too.
And don’t forget the main goals: (1) annexation of a very large territory as a Western buffer against NATO and as a source of new riches in agriculture, mining, and Slav females of reproductive age, and (2) extermination of a few hundred thousand to a few million middle- and lower-class Ukrainian males (euphemistically called “denazification and demilitarization”).
“You are defending the “rules-based order” that serves the goals of the US Hegemon, with the US generally able to use the UN as its patsy to cover its crimes.
I hate that “rules-based order,”I hate the US Hegemon, and I hate the UN, and I want to see them all destroyed.”
i am not sure you are aware that the UN rejected the US case against Iraq. They have repeated voted in opposition to the US regarding Israel.
You do realize that Russia is a member of the rules based principles and practices of the UN. And vased on your own analysis in violating the UN pronciples regarding poep,es she refuses to allow to be free. The rules bases susystem is not perfect. The more powerful states probably do hold more sway. But despite the worlds issues, without the UN the world would far more war torn than it is. The services or education, food and water, refugee camps etc and etc. Do aid in alleviating a good deal of the world’s ills. The value in providing healthcare and crisis tending, all helpful Perfect no. But the organization itself does volumes of good work.
And I certainly ave my issues with some of theor agenda. But I have no doubt plenty of countries do. Look, there are always rules. Right now the s=ystems has standards more than rules. Because rules you enforce. The ability for the UN to enforce its standards is “hit and miss” in my view.
As for the US,
it’s hard to be a citizen who cares and not et buggered by some of US foriegn policy. I really appreciated Pres Bush, but I was roundlty befuddled by his Ira push. There really was no case fo war. And I thought Afghanistan was unneccessary overkill and as it turned out — largely a mistake. My oppositipn cosy=t me more than likely a career I had worked overboard to obtain. But woud make that call today. I cringe at our state of te nation. I was wron about NAFTA or maybe I was right, but failed to grasp the world is smaller and the ealthy are less and less thinking in tems of what is good for nation as opposed to their purse strings. And wrong about mexico’s sincereity regarding the US border — she wants it back — she wants it all back and the wealthy are motre than happy it seems to sell her citizens a packing if it means hgher profits . . .
I get your anger your disappointment. I can say first hand — the rules based system has damaged millions. But it;s nt really the rules. It is how we treat one another regarding the rules. Our human frailty, our greed, our fears, etc. we should ad could be doing it better – no doubt. At te end the day whatevr rules are in play – one has to be trusted.
Most overlooked the rules are not about the rules. In the US the rules are established to establish and maintain just outcomes. That is a very dicey bowl of wax. Justice. The US rule book ” welfare, common defence justice” — not law and order that is bit a means not the end.
From the ‘news’? And which news is that, pray tell?
Oh, of course, it’s news sourced from the ZOG owned MSM.
In other words, the same sources that claimed, in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 events in Gaza, that the Hamas Freedom Fighters had beheaded 40 babies and burnt others in ovens.
There’s not a smidgen of truth to any of those assertions – all of which were instantly debunked.
But still, to this day, those ZOG media entities have not apologised for posting those stories without first doing the due diligence to confirm if they were true.
Same goes for you John’s Johnson. There are not enough hours in the day to itemise all the things you got wrong on this proxy war, all the outrageous forecasts you made that were 180 degrees diametrically opposite to the real world outcomes.
As I said before, all your sources are from ‘Mendacity Central’. Posting falsehoods is all they do.
It’s in their Talmudic DNA – as it is in yours.
You also write:
As Jeffrey Sachs said in those few minutes of the video I highlighted in an earlier comment, the U.S started the war – Putin merely escalated it.
And the Anglo-Zionist empire started it because it enriches the ZOG owned Defence contractors.
But while they profit, the U.S economy as a whole goes into retrograde motion.
And when the host (America) dies, the parasite (ZOG and world Jewry) die with it.
That’s what you’ve been unable to understand.
Of course every individual on the planet with a conscience would much prefer to see the Jewish owned Defence contractors impoverished rather than enriched.
But that’s not within our power to bring to fruition.
We recognise that America is owned by the Jewish oligarchs. And, war with Putin or not, the bought and paid for American politicians and in the Executive, were always going to increase military appropriations and line the pockets of these Jewish rodents, irrespective of whether the U.S was backing the Ukrainians in this proxy war.
I beg to disagree with Ron on this.
First of all: the war is going quite well for Russia. Russia is getting stronger and is learning to counter more and more Western weapons. In the meantime the Western public remains confident that Russia will soon lose so there is no pressure to catch up. It will take years before the recently announced Western investments in defense produce results.
In moves such as the recent attack with drones on Russia’s strategic fighter jets the West is playing the game of “plausible deniability”. But Russia can play this game too. In fact there are already lots of reports of such Russian attacks within Western countries. Russia doesn’t need full retaliation with similar damage. It just needs to make clear that it can play this game too. The damage is big enough that NATO headquarters is aware. But it is small enough that the public remains largely ignorant or indifferent. I believe that it what they want.
The Western propaganda machine has for years exploited every bit of news to generate hatred and fear towards Russia. It would see an attack on NATO headquarters as a gift from heaven to achieve that goal. The inevitable reaction would be an attack of NATO against Russia. I have no idea what they should do but very likely they have wargamed such a scenario. And what would Russia do after such an answer? Escalate? In World War III both sides will lose.
Russia doesn’t need to convince the Western public. It only needs to convince the Ukrainian public that they are fighting a losing war. And with their advances on the battle field they are slowly succeeding in that.
Russia and China want to be left alone. Jews and their allies want to rule the world and crush their perceived foes. Wanting to be left alone will always lose in the long run.
Regarding a prescient prediction already made before the collapse of the USSR in 1991:
Even before Putin made his public announcement on March 2, 2018, of his wish to undo the break-up of the Soviet Union, tacitly implying an effort to eventually re-conquer “lost” territories through coercive means, the underpinnings for such an ambitious effort were already in place, by having rehabilitated and then elevated the importance of Stalin, as evidenced by the annual Victory parades on May 9th, keeping the name Kaliningrad rather than reverting back to the original name Königsberg of a city occupied in violation of the UN Charter, and refusing to vacate this historical non-Russian region altogether, the following academic paper appeared in 2016:
By the end of 2018 this trend had become obvious. I alluded to it in my first comment here in April 2018, when I challenged the claim that Russia did not pose a threat, and thereafter. Even the Hoover Institution at Stanford picked up on this development in November 2018:
By that time Alexander Dugin, an ideological promoter of Neo-Stalinism and glorifier of Tsarist Russia, had already cultivated ties with German organizations. Though this ambitious process was understood, politicians from the co-called “collective West” were in a state of denial. So many key NATO countries had female ministers of defense. Western media did not raise any alarms and continued regularly alluding to the supposed end of the Cold War.
A little over a month ago some news publications, such as CNN, New York Times, and BBC took note of the unveiling of a Stalinist monument in the Moscow subway station, for instance:
It would be hard to imagine that this direction did not enjoy the endorsement of the influential Lubavitcher community in Moscow. After all, Putin proclaimed on May 9th this year that the ongoing war (de-Nazification) is to fight antisemitism, whatever that is supposed to mean nowadays. In light of these leanings, it seems perplexing that authors and commentators at this site appear to be so oblivious to this ongoing trend and eagerly participate in the celebration of Russian imperialism, cronyism, dictatorship, and mass murder. Yet the daily refrains of nauseating and internally contradictory nonsense, that the West somehow started the war, by expanding, or staging a coup, or ignoring Russia, or posing an existential threat is truly baffling; the fake narratives showcase a weird combination of schizophrenia, paranoia, chauvinism, hate, and megalomania.
The NATO leaders, all except Spain, were lying when they told Trump they would dramatically increase their military spending.
European nations already put in an order for 1000 Patriot missiles
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/01/nato-signs-off-on-5-5-billion-contract-for-hundreds-of-patriot-missiles/
But they are lying about any future purchases?
Putin’s invasion has been one long commercial for the US defense industry.
Weapons will continue to sell while poor Slavs on both sides kill each other.
Now, if you really believed what the little European marionettes told Emperor Trump, would you be interested in investing in a bridge I have for sale?
Yes I do believe that politicians will take an opportunity to increase defense spending.
It’s like asking if I believe a pig will gorge from a trough of apples.
They can play all kinds of games with such spending. Military spending means kickbacks and pay offs.
From the ‘news’? And which news is that, pray tell?
Oh, of course, it’s news sourced from the ZOG owned MSM.
In other words, the same sources that claimed, in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 events in Gaza, that the Hamas Freedom Fighters had beheaded 40 babies and burnt others in ovens.
The sale was approved by the US government:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-approves-polands-bid-buy-10-billion-himars-rocket-systems
Turns out there wasn’t a worldwide Jewish media conspiracy to make it look like Poland wanted to buy HIMARS.
Same goes for you John’s Johnson. There are not enough hours in the day to itemise all the things you got wrong on this proxy war, all the outrageous forecasts you made that were 180 degrees diametrically opposite to the real world outcomes.
No I actually have the better record than Ritter/Larry/Martyanov and as a reminder you and others here called me a Jew for merely stating that I think the report on North Koreans being used in combat was true. Numerous posters had a very hard time with someone taking that position. That was unacceptable to the crowds at Unz that expect absolute conformity on Russia.
North Koreans were not only used in combat but Russia’s top propagandist (who is Jewish) personally thanked them in a totalitarian news show.
Here you are going on a rant about how I must be propagating a fake story on North Koreans
For those UR readers unaware of Jewish John Johnson’s history of propagating the fake story about North Koreans fighting in the Ukraine proxy war, the following article souced originally from Moon of Alabama, sets the record straight:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/open-thread-11/#comment-6996334
You went on that rant after it had been confirmed by Russia. By then it was already well known to the rest of the world.
Which shows you are trying to alt-isolate and lash out at anyone that might provide unwanted information.
You seem to get very aggravated by dissenting opinions. I’m not sure why when our leading pro-Putin bloggers have been wrong every single year. Every single one of them was wrong on Kursk to embarrassing levels. Maybe consider the possibility that a couple White guys ranting at webcams may not know everything about the war. It makes more sense to allow a variety of opinions and then sift through what is true or false.
Unfortunately, it’s one of those commercials that turned sour. (The advertising agency they contracted will never be called on again).
Because the Ukraine proxy war exposed just how worthless the U.S military gadgets are on the battlefield.
Now, to the extent that the western vassals are buying some U.S weapons of death, it’s because they’re intimidated into doing so.
Their leaders are hand picked and vetted for compliance to the ZOG financiers.
And if the latter tell them to buy U.S weapons, they hop to it (or at least make a token effort – seeing as their finances are a shambles and their economies are teetering on recession in the wake of the Nordstream pipeline being blown up).
And another example of the corrupt politicians in charge is the nation of Australia.
We were stupid enough to take delivery some years ago of many dozens of those M1A1 Abrams boat anchors, that have proven less than worthless on the battlefield.
The good news is that we’re getting rid of our allocation to the Judeo-Ukrainian regime, where they’ll be blown up and turned into scrap iron by the Russians in short order.
Meanwhile, vassals of the U.S have a habit of promising to buy all manner of U.S military hardware (esp. in the case of the negotiations with the Orange Baboon, who is prone to throw a tantrum if he doesn’t get his way), only later to back out of the deal.
Read for example the following article headlined ‘AUKUS will cost Australia $368bn. What if there was a better, cheaper defence strategy?’:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/15/aukus-will-cost-australia-368bn-what-if-there-was-a-better-cheaper-defence-strategy
AUKUS (or as many Aussies like to call it: USFUKAUS), is the nuclear submarine deal between the U.S, U.K and Australia.
And I believe that ‘$368 billion’ figure is espressed in AUD (Australian Dollars).
But that’s still around USD $240 billion, so hardly chump change.
Well John’s Johnson, I have news for you:
The fact of the matter is that most of these promises to buy unreliable/overpriced/in effective/second rate U.S weaponry will come to to nothing.
These ‘announcements’ are made for the sole purpose of giving the Orang-U-tan (aka the 47th President), something to boast about.
C’mon, you know how it goes. When Donald Chump says:
“The economy under my Presidency is the best ever, we’re bringing all these jobs home, the manufacturing sector is soaring etc’.
And clowns like you John’s Johnson just swallow it all up without verification.
John’s Johnson, this will all end badly for you and your Jewish brethren.
BTW, I just noticed this comment of yours in comment # 473:
So you’re claiming the Kursk fiasco as a victory for the Anglo-Zionist empire and the Judeo-Ukrainian regime?
Well then, check out this article titled ‘Ukraine’s Kursk offensive is a disaster for… | The Spectator’:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukraines-kursk-offensive-is-a-pr-disaster-for-putin/
Or perhaps this one from the BBC titled ”Everything is finished’: Ukrainian troops relive retreat from Kursk’:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q198zyppqo
Taken from the article above:
FFS, that was taken from ZOG Central Media in Britain – the eff’n BBC.
So you can’t accuse me of using pro-Putin sources.
Your own eff’n Jewish controlled sources are admitting the Kursk episode was a monumental mistake, as tens of thousands of Ukrainians and Georgian/Polish/NATO and Columbian* mercenaries were sacrificed for nothing.
(*You read right UR readers. The Anglo-Zionist empire is so desperate for mercenaries to fight in Ukraine that they’ve gone as far afield as Central and South America to dredge up anyone they can lure with freshly conjured ZOG central bank dollars).
Ohhhhy Veh . . .
I will jump over the language matter because you missed my point ad it’s not really an issue, unless you intend to make that false claim that Ukrainians suppressed the use of Russian and persecuted Russian speakers.
So let’s get the Mrs Kagan matter. Nice try. Mrs Kagan was there. But she not directing evens regarding any coup. What occurred spontaneously before the change in government was well ot of her hands. Now the state department and she miht want to take some credit for their role in advising — the transition — I already acknowledge that act. Sure after the Ukrainians too tematter to the streets, and a process to remove the previous leadership occurred — the state deptment played a role in helping that transition — That was not a coup and the evolution was not orchestrated by the US. Also nice sleight of hand, but you are caught.
In response to PM Johnspn just as I suspected.
‘Total Nonsense’
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/26582
Additionally there was no peace deal. There was as one of the press that supports your claim
stated, “some tenuous progress” which esence sabotages the entire claim that there was a peace deal to sabatoge nonexisted. I will ise the refence stated in that same article, there were concerns about Pres putin’s ability to follow through with any deal becase his history makes clear that he will find an excuse call it null and void. And the west simply doesn’t trust him. Furthermore, Pre Selinski has repeated made the same comments rearding russia’s peace deals. Three treaties signed by Russia violated by Russis. Even the OSCE if which Russia is a memm\ber finds fault with russian integrity on adhering to deal standards. There was no sabatoge, there was a discussion on the issues and Ukraine agreed. They did not stop talking, they did not reject peace and neither dd PM Johnson, they sought a different route. Considering vaious factors ad agreeing does not make one party a puppet.
I think her judgement on whether she orchestrated coup detat is in line with my own — No she did not.Was she happy to see the Ukrainains stand up tp their government – I think so. Was she prepared and support the violence on either side — No. That is why she pushed for a compromise and the Ukrainians — also said
“No.” Probably more like “Heck No.” They have spolled and there’s coming back from that.
No US coup. No NATO coup. No European coup. A people’s revolution.
https://amazing-ukraine.com/en/remember-60-impressive-photos-maidan/#google_vignette
I don’t care what Mrs Kagan (Victoria Nuland) says about that revolution, she did not orchestrate nor was she prepared fro this:
https://amazing-ukraine.com/en/remember-60-impressive-photos-maidan/#google_vignette
I doubt she is evil atleast, I don’t have that insight into her soul. She is a neo-coservative and they are staunch advocate for democracy. I try to refrain from these kinds of assessments in comments – about other people
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Oyy and oyyy Good Golly Miss Molly,
And no it is not the real issue.
1. No. I do not agree that the thirteen cause had a legitimate complaint as to act out violently. I think the had one valid issue — direct representation, though this would have been resolved.
a. no they have a duty to pursue change minue te violence
b. Great Britain funded the colonies, protected the colonies provided access to trade, etc, etc etc.
c. The tax rate was not unmanageable no one was bankrupted by the small tax burden
d. good grief the colonists even whined and had a hissy fit over providing fo the men that protected
them — shameless.
Let me ell you what was self evident, the colonists could be a whiney, petty, ungrateful upstarts.And we their descendants have that in us as well.
2. The Ukrainians in the Oblast regions had evemn more rights than the colonists they dire t representation on Kiev. No there was no needs for a violent revolution.
a. they are not free as the colonists were free despite being saved by French support — Via la
France. they are Ukrainians who are now being forced to live under Russian domination. At least
the colonists got a country out of the deal. The vote has been roundly understood as illegitimate
by every international organization — — the presence of Russian troops and in the midst of a
violent coup detat . . . hardly an environment conducive for free expression — another UN
principle
ate to deprive you of your gotcha moment or your double standard attempted trap.
3. No. I am known for this sentiment regarding the validity of the US revolution from day one in discussing the matter. You attempt to make comparisons between now and then turns out o be a false comparison. The technology alone changes the landscape of political and social participation access to information, travel, various networks that simply make any comparison as you have layed untenable. The colonies were very experienced in democratic processes having modeled them based on Great Britain. When the colonists decided to the question each state representatives to debate the question and then zipped up the matter nicely by requiring a unanimous decision. Apparently in Ukraine the only representative in play was the butt of a weapon and a bootheel.
You might want to do some homework about the revolution you are attempting to twist into some kind of Eastern Ukrainian banner for revolution. Unfortunately fo me, I am too stupid to lie and apparently uite like being disliked or your trap would have worked.
But even if I thought the colonies were justified, the comparison you are attempting make still fails. Just because the colonies, thanks to France won the conflict does not be definition mean it was the best means to freedom — non of those principles are new. How they were constructed to for the country however is unique and probably woud have come about minus treason to Great Britain.
Here is a foundational footnote for you before advancing the nonsense you have out forward, I am nt a huge supporter of US meddling minus an invite to do so, unless we are at war with said state. The long term consequences have been mixed and in modern example, disasterous.
And I stand where I came in regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. And for the weak of heart who must damage those they disagree with by hook or by crook —- well, so much for principles. Laugh.
Unfortunately, it’s one of those commercials that turned sour. (The advertising agency they contracted will never be called on again).
No I don’t think you understand. Putin’s war has acted like a free commercial. It’s free advertising that has allowed them billions in profits.
Let’s just focus on one company. I can even use a non-Western media source.
Here it is from a Beirut based media company:
Raytheon, the world’s largest producer of guided missiles, has experienced a significant profit surge from military supplies to Ukraine since the war began in February 2022.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-raytheon-making-billions-in-blood-money-from-ukraine-arms
Is that company profiting from Putin’s invasion?
The fact of the matter is that most of these promises to buy unreliable/overpriced/in effective/second rate U.S weaponry will come to to nothing.
How is that a fact of the matter when HIMARS is backordered for over 10 years? What is the Russian equivalent to HIMARS that these countries could purchase? Please specify.
So you’re claiming the Kursk fiasco as a victory for the Anglo-Zionist empire and the Judeo-Ukrainian regime?
I was referring to how Larry, Ritter and Martynov all said it was a fluke and would be quickly over.
Larry C Johnson gave it a week while Martynov completely fabricated a story about how it was immediately over and the survivors were being hunted in the woods like dogs. That was last year.
Ukraine was in Kursk up through March of this year.
Like I said relying on White guys ranting into webcams is no way to follow a war.
Larry and the rest of the bootlicking crew would probably you prefer if you didn’t continue on the subject of Kursk. Same for the combat use of North Koreans that you made no less than a dozen rants about how I must be a Jew for not believing it is a conspiracy. That’s all on record just like Martyanov’s completely fabricated account of Kursk.
You have thrown up a lot of muddled pablum, but you have omitted mention of
the directors of the Hegemon. No doubt, this was unintentional so you deserve an
opportunity to repair and revise. Don’t allow this chance of redemption to escape.
Ww1 is straw man stuff.
Satellite guided missiles and drones dominate Russian operations.
You are a discombobulated, illiterate idiot.
If your keyboard had any self respect,
it would implode rather than be
used so ineptly.
Your discovery is Earth-shattering and profound. Prior to your revelation that weapons
industries profit from war, no one was aware of this deeply hidden truth. Was your
amazing discovery AI-assisted or did it sprout straight out
from your depleted uranium cranium?
Ohhh really . . .
Good gief . . . Laugh. Well,
I am not sure which leaders lr which states you are talking about/
Pres Putin in Russia
Pres. Claudia Sheinbaum
Pres Cyril Ramaphosa
Pres/Chancellor Friedrich Merz
PM Keir Starmer
Pres Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
Pres Trump
UN Sec General António Guterres
Director-General Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala GCON
PM Alexander Stubb
Pres Ursula von der LeyenAnd that doesn’t even touch the surface a hegemon would also include
financiers, international banks, IMF, titans of industry, Hedge fund owners and more all have major influence and or control of states or a state or organizations that profoundly impact any number of states.
My position is that Russian aggression is unwarranted the hegemon that apparently Pres Putin controls or influences: China, India, Iran are threats to word peace and good oder threatening the the region in uestion and a wider global sphere with war.
Other leaders are engaged in attempting to prevent Russia conduct — among them
Pres Zelenski.
I have not references OPEC leaders, the African Congress, or those organizations ad leaders in Latin America some of whom rattle western feathers when they sneeze.
My comments are a direct response to the issues posed to me and they are facts that have repeatedly demonstrated the weakness of Russia case for war and the failure of others to prevent the matter.
I didn’t read your comments but I appreciate the fact that you make Truth Vigilante reply to you. His replies are really good stuff to read.
I wish to extend my sincere appreciation to the old lady Been-dumb-done-dumb to make PhysicistDave reply to her. Same thing.
You dumb people provide a great service my making others way smarter than you reply to you.
Please read the entire thread before responding.
Truth_Vigilante was suggesting that record sales for US defense industries were from political pressure and not the result of Putin’s war.
I cited a specific company (Ratheon) for him and I to discuss.
I sometimes to try to get him away from generalities and towards specific examples.
I agree. The dim and flickering candles are needed to appreciate the sunlight,
although some wicks are burned out and no one wants to tell them.
Johnson is the best organized Jewish troll, and maybe the top earner. He keeps
a topical archive of points and counterpoints, and is able to use boredom as
neuroparalytic agent as he spins the heroic accomplishments of Zelensky.
You should rejoice since your tax money is recycled for such a worthy cause,
rather than being wasted on Medicaid for the poor, housing the homeless,
flood warning systems and other frivolous domestic programs.
Well, I have no answer to the formatting. It didn’t look that way when it was posted.
As for being an idiot opinions vary. Discomboblated — probably not.
I am unsure what your problem is with the response to you. Here’s your press, despite being vague I addressed it in specifics.
“but you have omitted mention of the directors of the Hegemon.”
Mention the leaders of what hegemon and in tresponse to waht several issues were addressed. You seem to think I neglected to discuss some leadership. Yet several of the points for discussion were about that very issue. What leaders and what did they do say or mean. It is unfortunate you missed that.
If there is some matter of specifics — say so and I will gladly respond. And no hiding behind by supposed character or lack thereof. I responded with specific leaders and gave a short explication regarding those involved in the Ukraine sitiation.
But I do appreciate the press to proof read with mu attention. No issues. Now,
what are you whining about . . . concerning hegemon.
Pretty simple and I think straight forward.
Since your basic premise is false, everything that follows from that premise is also in error. Putin did everything within his power to avoid this War and the record is replete with his many attempts to keep Ukraine neutral over a 20 year period, but NATO lied and rebuffed each of his efforts for a peaceful resolution. This is so comprehensively documented that only a fool and/or a liar disputes the relentless provocations that forced Putin to act decisively.
In retrospect, the Ukrainian War was deliberately provoked as the first stage of the Zionist-MIC Hegemon’s plan to tie down Russia, preliminary to the Gaza Genocide and the Settler aggressions and land seizures in the West Bank 18 months later. There was a plan and a grand strategy to execute the plan, conceived within the top echelons of Zionist plotters, with Antony Blinken selected to carry it out, while a senile President dottered away and a Congress of AIPAC whores anted up the money.
This is the Grand Conspiracy to achieve global Zionist Supremacy by using the presumed superior military and economic might of the U.S. against Russia and China, but the recent failure to subdue Iran does not auger well for the conspirators. The rest of the World is now fully aware of the danger and is on high alert.
My personal experience and reading would seem to confirm
your conclusion of a greater variance in IQ among Jews,
albeit with a significant clustering at the top.
Are you dementing Has Been? You have a quote, but NO source, and it asserts that Putin was working to re-create the Soviet in 1991!!! MI6 must be desperate for disinfo trolls.
There was a peace proposal accepted by The Ukraine in April 2022, but vetoed by the West, in the person of BoJo the clown. So hundreds of thousand of Ukranians have died for your Russophobia, Has Been.
Since your basic premise is false, everything that follows from that premise is also in error. Putin did everything within his power to avoid this War and the record is replete with his many attempts to keep Ukraine neutral over a 20 year period, but NATO lied and rebuffed each of his efforts for a peaceful resolution. This is so comprehensively documented that only a fool and/or a liar disputes the relentless provocations that forced Putin to act decisively.
Oh if it is that simple then why isn’t Ukraine in NATO?
Why was Finland able to join so easily when Ukraine had years to do it?
In retrospect, the Ukrainian War was deliberately provoked as the first stage of the Zionist-MIC Hegemon’s plan to tie down Russia
Are Putin’s Jews in on this plot? Putin put his Jewish chef turned private billionaire warlord in charge of the main front at the start of the war. Are Russian Jews excluded from the conspiracy?
You do acknowledge that Russia has Europe’s largest Ashkenazi population, right?
“Putin did everything within his power to avoid this War and the record is replete with his many attempts to keep Ukraine neutral over a 20 year period, but NATO lied and rebuffed each of his . . .”
Pres. Zelinski ran as the neutral candidate. Supposedly a key provision — in your mind his neuitrality position is just another ploy of the west.
And todays phone call what a farce. And the current exec in the WH thinks it was great. Part of the long term solution — west stop helping Ukraine. And I will consider a long term solution. It’s almost embarrassing what this admin thinks of as great, sad really. After three years and the last six months, the WH and congress, apparently still think that Russia has some sincere intentions of a cease-fire.
Want peace simple — get out of Ukraine entirely.
Your gang and their constant whine about provocations . . . everything that is not beholden to Russian demands is a provocation.
Your “softball” questions are appreciated and raise a question concerning your
loyalty to the expired term, illegitimate, Zio-Ukie dictator of Ukraine.
“Why isn’t Ukraine in NATO?”
Ukraine is effectively and substantially in NATO, except for a formal, official
membership. The NATO countries have provided Ukraine with at least two
hundred billion U.S. $ in weapons, money, intelligence assets and
on-the- ground military advisors.
Many retired military officers, including members of my family, have been
called back to active duty, sent to Ukraine and rewarded with large bonuses.
This is public knowledge. The number of current military and CIA personnel
in Ukraine is, of course, not divulged, nor do we know the number
of “advisors” from European countries.
“Why was Finland allowed to join NATO so easily?”
A better question would be, “Why did Finland want to join NATO?
Russia posed no threat to Finland, and as a neutral nation Finland
was certainly not a threat to Russia, so the only answer would be,
“pure stupidity” on the part of the feminist leaders of Finland.
Russia does have the largest Ashkenazi population in Europe, but
more importantly, some of the Jews are oligarchs who have been
brought to heel by Putin. The Jews who proved to be stubbornly
untrainable are now nursing their bitter,
surly petulance on foreign soil.
Thank you for your remarkable insights.
With a little more attention to logic and
sentence structure, your rants may soon
approach the threshold of intelligibility.
Keep your nose to the Heebstone!
What a stupid claim to make, especially since Ukraine has neither a navy nor air force of any substance. Russia ensured that Ukraine could not join NATO by having initiated (in 2014) and perpetuated (for over a decade) an unnecessary dispute by military means.
Ukraine is effectively and substantially in NATO, except for a formal, official
membership
There are no NATO bases in Ukraine.
Ukraine does not have access to the latest weapons.
Ukraine cannot call article 5 which is the most important part of being in NATO.
NATO countries have not sent troops into Ukraine while Russia is bringing in more North Koreans.
NATO countries did not donate weapons to Ukraine until Russia had been pushed out of Kiev.
How is that effectively in NATO when they don’t have the key benefits and were only given third gen weapons after kicking Russia out of Kiev?
A NATO member would have F-35s and not a bunch of F-16s from the 1980s. Those are third gen planes and it sounds like some of them were broken.
“Why was Finland allowed to join NATO so easily?”
A better question would be, “Why did Finland want to join NATO?
Russia posed no threat to Finland, and as a neutral nation Finland
was certainly not a threat to Russia, so the only answer would be,
“pure stupidity” on the part of the feminist leaders of Finland.
That doesn’t answer the question.
Why didn’t Ukraine join NATO from 2014-2021 if their membership was so desired? Why weren’t they able to quickly join like Finland?
As for Finland they joined because they did not want to wait and see if Putin would declare them as “historical Russia” and be the fourth country that he has invaded. What would you tell them? That they are overreacting? Well Russia said exactly that to Ukraine as Putin’s “training exercises” continued to increase on the border.
Finland is much more vulnerable to invasion. The have a small population that is heavily concentrated in the south. Putin probably wishes he went after Finland.
Your reply does not meet the minimal level of coherence
to warrant an answer, but thanks for trying.
The self-confessed enemy of American independence EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
Yep, that is what I am indeed claiming: as I said, I found out about it from my Ukrainian friend back around the time of the Maidan putsch, but it was also reported in the Western mainstream media, and, indeed, is even briefly mentioned now in Wikipedia. See here for the following comment from Wikipedia:
Again, I am not relying on Wikipedia for this information, but you can check there and follow up on their sources. I know about this from my Ukrainian friend years ago and from mainstream media reports.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but facts are what they are.
The little guy also wrote:
Yeah, Nuland “helped” alright! It was the overthrow of a President elected by the entire country carried out by street mobs in the capital city, and, yes, we usually do call that a “coup.” I like “putsch.”
The little fellow also wrote concerning American independence:
Glad we got that out on the table — July 4 must be a bummer for you every year! Do you wear sackcloth and ashes and drape your house in black crepe?
Seriously, here is what I really do have trouble understanding about you statists: how do you decide at what point in history to say “No more changes” and accept that this one particular government is the final one and can never be overthrown? Consider Ukraine:
A) In 1990, Ukraine was subject to Russian (Soviet) overlordship.
B) In January 2014, Ukraine was ruled by a government headed by a President elected by the whole country, Yanukovych.
C) By the end of 2014, the previous government had been overthrown due to mob action and a new regime installed in Kiev, which the Donbass was not happy with.
D) Currently, the Donbass oblasts, after formal (yes, imperfect) referenda, are integral parts of the Russian Federation and controlled by Russian troops.
Now, you seem to think that “C” is for some reason the one and only “real” government ruling over the Donbass, even though it actually doesn’t any longer.
Why?
Why not “A,” “B,” or “D”?
How do guys like you decide?
In all honesty, as far as I can tell, the real answer is “Whatever the Anglo_American imperialist Deep State tells us to do!”
Isn’t that right?
If course, I have a simple alternative answer: whatever the people of the Donbass want.
If they change their mind in six months… well, why not?
I mean, if you shopped at Sears last year, and Macy’s this year, you can still shop at Walmart next year, right? Why do governments have to be any more permanent than department stores?
What’s wrong with giving power to the people? Isn’t that called “democracy”?
Why are you against it?
This truly escapes me — unless, of course you are somehow beholden to the US Hegemon.
The little guy also wrote:
Well, that’s actually the point, isn’t it? Although I admire Russian courage in defending the oppressed people of the Donbass, I do not advocate sending US weapons or taxpayer money to Russia to help them in the SMO.
But most of the folks who defend Kiev’s position are very eager to send US weapons and taxpayer dollars to the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev.
So, are you willing to meet me half-way and denounce the US government sending aid to either side in this conflict?
The little guy also wrote:
Or is that your answer?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
John Johnson asked me:
They promised the Donald that they would all (excpet for Spain) raise their defense spending to 5 percent of GDP.
Do you — does anyone — really believe they will do that?
If you do believe it, how much are you willing to pay me for this beautiful golden bridge we have out here in California?
JJ also wrote:
The vassal states are fiscally strained — they don’t have the money.
You don’t know that?
Do you know what a “Potemkin Village” is?
Now, about that bridge you are gonna buy from me… I’ll let you do half cash upfront and half credit.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Well said, especially 1st par.
Yeah, Johnson is such a prolific commenter that he/she must be on the pay.
No sane person would spend the whole day, day after day, refreshing his/her browser to write replies to replies to his/her comments on TUR.
Laugh. well, that’s a convenient excuse. Sure i shpuld tae blogging more seriously and double check my posts — even triple check. But that isn’t really the hurdle. It’s an excuse.
You claim Pres Putin wanted a neutral Ukraine and yet when a president is elected who held the same position –
NATO paused any entry ino NATO for Ukraine.
Europe and the US invested billions ad billions of dollars into Russia
But of course all that was to destroy Russia.
If they wanted to destroy Russia they would hae done it at the Soviets’ retraction.
Russia invaded. Pretty simple you don’t have answer —
The same way your pal doesn’t understand the revolutionary war, its causes the principes they fought for are not compatible with eastern Russian coup attempts.
The same way in which your gang employs the UN Charter by cherry picking phrases and ignore how your claims are rejected by the UN. Good grief even the OSCE, rejects Russia’s invasion. How every convenient when confronted with anything that destroys your position the response is personal. Some failing —
Your not responding because you don’t have a responses.
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If you Ukraine was in NATO — NATO troops would be in the ground. They are not. this is not the make believe proxy war you fantasize about. No your family members serving as advisors or instructors does put Ukraine in NATO.
The problem for Russia is not Finland’s stupidity, but their keen sense of awareness of history and Russia’s aggressive empire building. Which Pres Putin has made clear he seeks to reestablish by force apparently.
What really upsets you is that someone like me isn’t the least phased by your unsupportable positions.
And Physcist Dave is just upset that I didn’f buy his false comparisons with the colonial revolution.
>has neither a navy nor air force of any substance
So? — isn’t that true of almost all NATO member states? — even the Canadian Air Force has relatively few ‘combat aircraft’, e.g. the US has 2x as many F-22s and 5x as many F-35s as Canada has total ‘combat aircraft’ — since the end of the Cold War, adding NATO members has been more a hostile encirclement serving to bully and ostracize Russia than a genuine expansion of a military alliance — Trump’s effort to get them to spend more on defense is some evidence of that.
Among NATO members, there are only three military powers of any consequence: the US, the UK, and France — these are also the nuclear states within NATO, and having nuclear weapons is mostly why the UK and France are of consequence — the rest are really minnows, even Germany, a country famous for only a few of its warplanes being ready to fly at any moment.
I already mentioned who’s mainly responsible for hostile US policy toward Russia:
link
And it seems the ethnic Russians of the Donbas, who probably had a better sense of political developments in Ukraina vis-a-vis their interests than you do, did not see it as ‘an unnecessary dispute.’
Has Been’s typical allergic reaction to facts. Banderastan was de facto Nato-ised after the fascist putsch in 2014, and to deny it is despicable mendacity.
The issue over language — Ukrainians opted to make Ukrainian the official language. Like more than 100 other countries that have official languages, i.e. Russia. That’s it. Further distancing themselves from Russia – technically. At no time and did the government of Ukraine attempt to prevent the use of speaking any language among its population. But for official purposes, Ukraine opted for Ukrainian. The no law banned the use of languages of it citizens.
Laugh, nice try,
1. limiting what can be taught “officially” is not the suppression of other languages. In most schools in the US you don’t get introduced to a foreign language in education until HS, most not all. That does equate to suppression of their languages. Now I would expect after Russia’s invasion — there is populous backlash against Russian, in unofficial spaces. That is not the same thing and it is not official. In much the same way that Ukrainians celebrated Russian artists, after the invasion, they are disfavored. The language issue has been discussed in volumes that rival and encyclopedia. So I am not the least troubled by wikipedia references on this. The response by those seeking to be Russian in Ukraine may a big todo over nothing, unusual in national practice and some media reportes, jumped the shark – there arwe plenty of media outlets that got it right.
2. You will not a find a single reference that I oppose independence. The question was whether I thought the revolution warranted or justified, — with sound and good reason, on the principles no.
3. Uhhh, no. Ukrainians made their own choices, lending advice does not mean you are part of a revolution and that is what occurred. The spontaneous mass representation of people hitting the street in protest demanding change. The change was done . . . picking up the pieces is an after effect. There is no evidence that the US engaged in any acts of support – what to do after that was the role of the US and its clear that even then, there was no plan. They were playing to winds already in motion and in a country already set to a new course. So intense that the US tried to get the leaders to compromise — no was the answer. No on a major overarching concept of the future — no puppet. There was no coup — a people’s rebellion — absolutely. I appreciate tyhe CIA and the State Dept. but, this was beyond their means to incite or control. Those images tell the story . . .
You might want to look up the definition of coup verses revolution of rebellion.
4. It is a false claim that I am against US independence. I don’t make that argument. The question was there cause for a revolution such as occurred, in my no. The colonies were largely prosperous and well protected, all made possible because the mother country made it so. And in my view, compensation was due Great Britain. as a conservatives I will keep this simple, questioning change, examining the need for change is all fine and dandy — how that change occurs and to what end the consequences is another matter. And our rebellious nature to engage in violence to get change is a US ethic. Manipulating language and meaning to so as to distort truth. Bad form. And the founders did that in spades. If you read the original declaration: one of the reasons for change is that the king permitted and engaged in slavery. Its a strange section to read. It was edited out, but it helps frame the mindset and the methods — however turned against itself. Intelligence is no barrier to self deceit.
5. Nor have I made any arguments arguing that any peoples cannot or should not seek independence. But if you take the risk of violent action – then one should expect the same in return. Furthermore, the issues at stake and the goals between the Oblast regions and the colonies are completely different. And I list out those differences which make such comparisons untenable.
6. Justified — not at all. Your observation is based on a false assumption, that finding out that one’s grandparents were thieves somehow means, that one cannot celebrate them or should disavow them — how one responds to information that contradicts one’s previous understanding is a matter of choice. I don’t have children. But if I had a son with came home with a report of straight “A”‘s i would be delighted, depending on what the course was. However, if I later discover when he is college that engaged in cheating — that new light, would foster a new understanding of my son. And I might not very well be so celebratory of his performance. The colonies started a war that need not have been started. Here’s an example of British tyranny. One of the ways in which the colonies were protected is that the government made treaties with the native American populations regarding territorial boundaries. We celebrate Davy Crocket and the likes, but in reality they were bounders, they ventured into another country set up shop and made claims that were unsustainable. When Great Britain said hey you can’t do that — we recognize those lands as theirs.
the Brits were oppressing them. Snore. now to defend that you have to admit that the issue is really what’s yours is yours, if you can get it and keep it, regardless of the rules at play. That is what is at the heart of Russia and China ambitions. Russia is not going grant a single Oblast territory independence, that is the point. The colonial comparison is more effective in defending Ukraine’s existing independence. In that scenario, the west are the French, aiding a country fighting for her existence.
However, there are reasons why I don’t make as much a todo about the 4th. Doesn’t change thing about my loyalty. I was open to working in North Korea when looking for work — doesn’t mean I am a traitor to the US, have to pay bills and feed my face. We are nation that used to murder nearly a million children every year. I am supposed to celebrate a nation that allows that. A nation in which 50% of the women advocate for murdering children in the womb —
1. Russia acknowledges Ukrainian independence and sovereignty, agrees to ensure the same.
2. He was ousted by a revolution, his constant pandering Russian demands did not help his case. And while I thought the EU should have made entry as easy possible, Ukrainian rejection, upset the entire country so much they said enough is enough. There is absolutely nothing the US or Europe or Russia could have done to prevent that level of anger, disappointment and resolve for change amongst a populous. And their in lies the point — ousted by the people of his own country. Now, I am not a big fan of these outburst. Many new democracies have them. Because most haven’t had the time to digest that a democracy can be a slow disagreeable. Vite someone in one dislikes, waiyt for the next election and vote them out — they opted for a shorter course. US, Russia, Europe or the guy at the North Pole doesn’t like it — well, tough cookies.
3. Ohhh stop. This is the Russian ploy. They held elections while occupied by a foreign power regarding whether or not to join that foreign power. On what planet does one live to consider that a environment to hold elections — nowhere. I think its funny because it is just the type of convoluted logic that has many of you trapped. Russia claims that US advisors in Ukraine are overthrowing the country and the elections were illegitimate — yet Russia, invasion of the Oblast and Crimea in which elections were held makes perfect sense — laugh. Good grief.
Get out of the communist rhetorical basket woven nonsense. You cannot ignore that the so called elections to be free, yet under control is legitimate. That is some twisted logic. And serves to fuel the single ambition — retake former countries by hood or by crook. And it’s sad that this admin has aided and abetted the conduct — distressing. At least you are willing to admit that these regions are controlled by troops. Another vote for Russian independence and freedom — good grief. Vote for me or I’ll shoot you and or kidnap your children. Yikes . . . Oyyyyy and oy veh . . . What the Jumpin’ beans is afoot in the minds of Russian supporters. Imperfect elections, no one even pretends their real. Laugh. That’s like me moving into your house punching you in the face for yelling at your kids, and then asking who family objects to me being the new daddy. Come on let’s be serious. The issues inside of Ukraine are for Ukrainians to figure out. A referendum designed and held by Russia — a nonstarter. Annexations — nonstarters.
By the way, the country has elected someone else.
No. I recognize that Russia has taken land that is Ukrainian and called it hers. No land stolen by another is still the owners. And she is entitled to recovery that land by force if necessary. So be it.
Russia is responsible for hostile sentiments from other states.
There is a deep state, how influential or controlling they varies from issue to issue. They are comprised of several variations. But in the case of Ukraine, deep state might e characterized as those who undermined Pres Obama’s ambitions to limit our involvement in Ukraine to avoid just these types of accusations. But those that wanted a stronger presence: Mrs Kagan (Victoria Nuland), Sec Clinton and VP Biden all went the opposite direction. They could labeled deep state entities. But what if the deep state and the admin and congress are all in sync, would you be calling them out as deep staters? Those that oppose my position that we should stop pussy footing around and support Ukraine for reasons beyond Ukraine and there are plenty in the US, who disagree. Maybe they are the deep state, seeking to undermine nearly 80 years of US policy. As I understand it, you hate some aspects of the country’s policy — being generous here — maybe you are the deep state. Millions want to side with Russia because they think Russia; is a moral white country willing to stand up to immorality . . . that the invasion is a moral crusade against corruption, would that would be concerned with our own right here as Congress still allows itself the luxury of insider trading, Russia’s own issues corruption, drive by killing, arrests of political opponents, murdering them . . . oligarchs who have shuffled millions away in offshore accounts. Pres Putin’s millions locked away as he gives himself more and more . . .
This is an empire land grab.
Who in the world knows what the people of the oblast regions want. They are too busy making sure they don’t upset the foreigners with guns to their heads. They are occupied and in a strange twist their supposed saviors are now their masters. Freedom to owned. That anyone can even seriously suggest that there is some high principle of freedom here is just bizarre. As I say, at least the colonials were permitted to form their own course. What you are offering and defending in the region is nearly textbook 1984 – now that we own you are free.
Again, minus an invite, The Oblast regions are Ukrainian and until the Ukrainians manage a means of voting – they remain so. Russia has no real jurisdiction to do anything in the region, hold referendums, annexations and least of all murder anyone for any reason — sadly, Russia’s “overloard” status invalidates anyone’s thoughts. sad but accurate.
Department stores are not holding patrons hostage at gunpoint, demanding that be free. They are not sending employees to live in their homes and stirring up conflict. They are not making up stories about mom and das as a means to control them — when really all they want is the property. Laugh.
You are on and on about this matter of choice. But have failed to apply that standard to the invader: many of which he is taking their resources from to fuel his ambitions.
There are some 22 republics that Russia refuses to allow to be free.
“There are also signs of independence movements stirring in the Russian republics. The Federation is made up of 85 provinces of which 22 are republics, each representing a different ethnicity. Most were independent territories before being conquered and absorbed into Russia. They were granted autonomy after the fall of the USSR.”
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/putin-using-ukraine-war-russia-independence-moscow-1698699#:~:text=Separatist%20movements%20are%20stirring%20in%20some%20of%20Russia%27s,over%20economic%20neglect%20and%20suppression%20of%20indigenous%20cultures
And I previously pressed:
Chechnya
Belarus (soon to be annexed according Pres Putin)
Georgia
Buryatia
https://theworld.org/stories/2023/05/22/ethnic-minorities-russia-are-campaigning-breakup-country
Choice you say — by the example thus far set by Russia — no one they control is free.
https://theworld.org/stories/2023/05/22/ethnic-minorities-russia-are-campaigning-breakup-country
Those regions have never sought or entertained the process of becoming their own states and now under Russia they never will.
Dear Jew Johnson:
You may enjoy all the special rights, privileges and perks of Tribal members, but your efforts to ravel this thread with irrelevant and hypothetical nonsense are all too transparent. The key to sweeping aside the sophistry and pilpul, is to recognize the grand scheme of the Zionist Hegemon to dominate the Planet, using Ukraine and Palestine as preliminary steps, and harnessing the U.S. as their dumb and compliant mule. We are owned!
What do these two Wars have in common? Jews, Jews everywhere, without a drop of decency or compassion among them. Blinken, Zelensky and Netanyahu are indeed the motley, Satanic triplets of Judah, who have been picked to fulfill The Dream.
Did I overlook your comments supporting the return of Palestine
to the Palestinians?
Has Hamas approved your enlistment application?
Will you be allowed to wear your kippah while ambushing IDFs?
Effete Com. is a native Hebrew speaker,
a raconteur and special needs,
purple pickle epicure. Be gentile
with him, please.
In your lengthy response, I do not see that you ever answered my simple question:
Can you answer that simple question?
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
Yeah, but, you see, the Donbass happened not to want to be part of the country in which Ukrainain was the official language.
Russian was, and had been for a very long time, their native language. They wanted their kids to learn it in school. And with good reason — Russian speakers view Ukrainian, correctly in my opinion, as a non-standard dialect of Russian, the way most Americans view Black English. If Caucasian Americans found that their kids were being taught Black English in school, you don’t think they would be right to object?
Okaaaaay…..
The little guy also wrote:
No, “Ukrainians” did not make a choice — the street mobs in Kiev made a choice, with US support and approval.
Yanukovych’s strongest region electorally was the Donbass, and they did not have a say.
So, the Donbass decided to decline to join the new regime established by the putsch.
Quite reasonably so.
The little guy also wrote:
Oh, c’mon! How stupid do you think readers here are?
It wasn’t “his own country”: it was street mobs in Kiev. Backed up by the US Hegemon.
The silly little guy also wrote:
Yes, I’ve said that the referenda were flawed, but the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev refused to hold referenda at all.
Which is why I proposed new referenda monitored by specific neutral nations, which I named: South Africa, Brazil, and Vietnam.
Are you willing to endorse my proposal?
No, of course not — because you do not think human beings should be free to choose their own government.
The little guy also wrote:
This is the second time in a week that someone has accused me of being a communist!
Which is gut-wrenchingly funny.
For seventeen years on this site I have been an impassioned advocate of laissez-faire capitalism and very limited government. I have advocated the same in real life for over sixty years, since I was in grade school.
You, on the other hand, have openly and explicitly rejected the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence.
I think it is clear to everyone whether it is you or I who has communist sympathies!
The little communist also wrote:
Nope — Novorossiya has been liberated by Russian troops.
It is the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev which is using troops to occupy the rump area of the Ukraine, with open US military support. In fact, civilians in the areas of Ukraine occupied by the neo-Nazi reigem have been reported in Western media to be feeding targeting information to the Russian Federation troops as to the location of military processing centers — essentially draft boards — in the area of Ukraine controlled by the neo-Naiz Kiev regime. And Russia has been blowing them up, as part of its service to the captive people of Ukraine.
The little communist also wrote:
Now you place your true Communist views on the table: I think a country is owned by the people who live there.
You think it is owned by the government.
Truly Communism.
The Donbass is owned by the people of the Donbass.
They, and only they, have the right to choose what government they will live under.
Based on the principles enunciated in the Declaration of Independence and Article 1, Section 2 of the UN Charter.
Which you have explicitly and openly rejected.
Because, after all, you are a Communist who thinks the government owns the country.
The little Communist finally admitted:
Well, of course, you are because you are a Communist. You’d fit right in!
Y’know you are the first human being I have ever run across — ever — who, not a citizen of North Korea, admits that he would be willing to live in that evil little country!
I have met Communists before, but never ones as rabid as you!
So, again, I ask you two simple questions:
Eh, our little Communist friend?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
EliteCommInc, can you answer 24th Alabama’s question:
24th Alabama wrote to me:
Ah, but our exchange has indeed been useful: he has openly denounced the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence, and he has openly stated, “I was open to working in North Korea when looking for work,” which is surely one of the more bizarre comments ever posted on this site!
So, now let us see how many of our other neo-Nazis here share his views.
Dave
What in the good dog gone blazes are whining about now…. uhh sure Israel should not be in Palestine. And they should be paying for every city thay established there and the UN should be making that point. Because as Israel well knows, her occupation minus permission is an act of war.
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Opinions vary
When all else fails — by all means make it personal.
But I get it. You and others think name calling and personal attacks as banter is manly. I get it. But do address the issues.
In PhysicistDaves case he has yet to demonstrate how Russia holding on to Chechnya or any other nonRussian peoples who want to independent supports a claim that Russia is adhering to principles of either the UN or the founders of the United States.
As for gentleness get a grip — my missing cat causes me stress, your crowd are just annoying.
Nope — Novorossiya has been liberated by Russian troops.
So you believe that the Oblasts that never had a separatist movement and never voted for the pro-Russian parties view Russia’s invasion as liberation?
They changed their mind about Russia after being violently invaded? Gosh our Oblast voted for Zelensky but after seeing bombs destroy our neighborhoods we now think this Putin guy ain’t so bad.
Why not just be honest and admit that Putin makes your panties moist?
We have enough intellectual dishonest in society. Putin defenders at Unz add their own “Feel good” narratives on Russia that simply don’t hold to critical thinking. It is more rational to just admit why you admire Putin instead of trying to lie about unwanted realities.
If you like Putin then just admit to yourself. Maybe you want a dictator to force the Ukrainian Slavs under totalitarian Russia. Maybe you resent ruling powers to where you support a dictator out of spite even if he creates graveyards of Orthodox men. Just be honest about it.
I thought my position clear. Excuse me. I never saw that question. But as I have stated numerous times
The US, the EU, the planet and NATO should do everything they can to remove Russia from Ukraine. Period. The Ukrainian Army has a small contingent of Nazi advocates, members — etc. That’s their business to deal with – not yours, not mine and not Russia’s. They attacked no outside of Russia. They are nationalist and when the Oblast regions got kick started into a rebellion they along with millions of other Ukrainians moved to stop it. Period. If you choose violence as your option of change — expect violence in return. These regions bid for indepence begins and ends in Kiev, or possibly the UN, not Russia.
The Russians may be brave. But that is really beside the point. They are not liberating anyone, they are land grabbing for empire. Those regions they Occupy are not making bids in the UN for recognition and Russia is not going to permit and no one in the UN would take them serious if they could and did. The land is all of Ukrainians period, Ukrainians live their and you are attempting to make a case that the people in those regions no longer wanted to be Ukrainian — entirely false. When Ukraine voted to separate — news for you, those regions voted in favor that Ukraine should be sovereign — including them. Your hat trick to blur the lines of who is who is unlikely to have much sway — it is certainly a lost cause with me. No. Russia does not get to be the arbiter of wat occurs in Ukraine. Now either Russia is a woman of her word or she is to bit bounder looking to create any advantage for self regardless of the consequences.
Those regions rejected Russia then and I suspect after the gun to the referendums held by Russia, I suspect they are more eager to get away from her now. The country under threat is Ukraine all of Ukraine, including Crimea. And The west should do everything it can to remedy that matter for with and yesterday.
I will be bought tootin spootin, if I am going to pretend its ok for Russia to dictate to the US who she can dance with at the dance of international relations and to threaten the US with nuclear war — at the moment Russia is a threat to global peace and security and the US should have moved immediately to a higher defcom level and started preparing her population for reality. War.
When Russia was amassing troops along the border — Ukraine kept cool. Avoided doing anything to get Russia’s panties in a bunch — don’t give me any nonsense about Ukraine being a threat to Russia — bullocks.
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No one prevented any in Donbass from speaking their languages as they so chose. However, the official language as I understand is Ukrainian. That is not unusual or unique among government. No one was suppressing speaking Russian. And stop acting as though you speak for the Oblast regions. The entire place is a mess. Neither you or Russia have any say in what takes in the oblast as that is Ukrainian territory in full. In otherwords, you have no authority there.
Let me know when Russia is going to be presenting their case for national status in the UN.
If you want to call the outpouring of millions of thousands and thousands of Ukrainians to protest the Ukrainian leadership choices a mob — fine. A mob of thousands and thousands rejected the Ukrainian leadership. This all old hat and nothing new. Russia’s advocates have been attempting to play this language matter out — but it folds. But I will be waiting for that case of Oblast national recognition before the UN. It looks like the Oblast regions will need to be rescued from Russia.
Almost all Ukrainians speak Russian — that does not make them Russian. Millions of Californians speak Spanish, what you think that makes them Spaniards or Mexicans — well maybe in LA.
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There was no western coup. And those that have issues with kiev as fellow Ukrainians should take that up with their fellows. Because oblast aint Russian land and the people there are Ukrainians. You can tell them they are Russians at gun point — but the truth is another matter.
No they were not oppressed. But those that sought civil war did receive the response they initiated.
The street mob nonsense has been rebutted repeated and utterly destroyed. —- literall
https://ukrainetoday.org/the-court-confirmed-the-sentence-to-yanukovych-for-treason-13-years-in-prison/
and here’s one of the reasons why
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/02/298385578/yanukovych-i-was-wrong-to-ask-russian-troops-into-crimea
He admits the mistake and regrets it. The fox was let in the front door and is now reaking havoc the oblast and more. So apparently the gentleman in question acknowledges that Ukraine — all of Ukraine is in fact his own country. And he made a mistake inviting in Russia. So your guy, the man you claim is the key to the whole matter of independence — apparently rejects your advance. Done and done
Yanukovych: ‘I Was Wrong’ To Ask Russian Troops Into Crimea
“We must set such a task and search for ways to return to Crimea on any conditions, so that Crimea may have the maximum degree of independence possible … but be part of Ukraine,” he said.
Wow, that is worth repeating.
“We must set such a task and search for ways to return to Crimea on any conditions, so that Crimea may have the maximum degree of independence possible … but be part of Ukraine,” he said.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/02/298385578/yanukovych-i-was-wrong-to-ask-russian-troops-into-crimea
Hmmmm, I like this man. While in Russia to make that statement — hats off.
Asked and answered . . . long before yesterday and repeated again yesterday . . .
Laugh. Yu think the Referendum was flawed —- no kidding. Completely and utterly without merit. A foreign power running an election and that by a military fully armed and present.
No I won’t support any such thing while Russia occupies the region. What nonsense plainly. Russia refused a sensible option in 2014 — the OSCE made clear all foreign troops out so the two sides can discuss matters, Russia refused — there’s nothing to discuss. Russia repeatedly finds some excuse not follow the rules set down by parties to resolve issues, even when it’s an organization sympathetic to Russia. Frankly I am not sure that level of paranoia can be addressed. Its that mindset that the communists created everywhere they went. Everyone is an enemy of the state unless they agree with me, do as I say . . . I did not call you a communist and I think those that have are making a different point – the rhetorical discourse is as communist would deal with matters. No point ever ends, there’s always another angle to justify conduct. But the angle and conduct are one way — your way. Avoiding the actual deconstruction of the position advanced by you.
You claim the regions are being liberated like the French rescued the colonies, but the french did annex any colony. Russia not doing any such thing. She is claiming land that he had previously claimed was Ukrainian and sovereign, but the end of the day she has found cause to reneg on the agreements. Buy those options are not any agreement.
For example you claim UN principles, but when it is pointed out that those principles are also bound in procedures and methods . . . the subject changes to charging the UN with violating those principles without an ounce of evidence that they have done so.
And here’s the demarkation point — all relations only work if the standards agreed are adhered and if change is sought said change occurs by mutual agreement, discussion – not at the butt of a weapon. And here Russia fails. She wants to be a player but the rules must always favor her desires. She breaks agreements when they are inconvenient to her ends. Pro Russian leadership removed from — let’s pull the Ukraine is not really a country. That is how the communist system worked, keep everyone off balance by constantly shifting perspectives — so exactly when will these rescued regions become their own country.
And its painful to watch as your advances gobble up your arguments. Ok Mr espouser of UN principles advocate for revolution tell me the date before the UN that these rescued regions are to put before the international community for nationhood. I am still waiting. And as always — this is the argument you made.
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There is no question that some might be feeding information to the enemy — no kidding, but that does not a referendum make. And I would not be the least surprised if more were not doing the same or more against Russia’s invasion. Warfare is a nasty filthy business best avoided. But when pressed we engage as in invaded. Laugh. The Russian military is not NAzi and so what if they were -it’s their military to form as they choose. They did not invade Russia, just the opposite and they are entitled to defend themselves.
I tell you what, let me get a few of my friends ( as if I had any) to come over and adjudicate what time I should set for your children should to go to bed. My taking over your home example is still in play.
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Anything to avoid the obvious — Russia wants an empire and she will do so by force. That is the key that is the dynamic one sets in play by ignoring the rules at whim.
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You will not find a single opposition to the principles as established in the declaration. And as for my working in Korea, I also sent out applications to other foreign countries — I always thought the Chinese would reinvite me — but that opportunity is long gone. I would have loved to stay in Great Britain, I think. Unfortunately, I was on that trip in a very bad place —
i did not call you a communist so I don’t have views about your view of capitalism verses the same. EliteCommInc. has no association to or with any communist country or ideology. people get in a tiff when I state the revolutionary was was unnecessary. I think the colonies would have become one nation anyway or something close to it. It’s a tough gig, counter factualizing historical events.
Nice try, the people of Ukraine have established a system by which to govern. The seat of that system is in Keiv, not Moscow, not London, not Geneva and not Washington DC. And is there that Ukrainians turn to address national Ukrainian issues. Any Ukrainian doing otherwise, I am sure would be called a traitor and no doubt pressed on a case of treason. No the national boundaries place the Oblast in Ukraine and Russia signed several treaties affirming that configuration. So the people in Ukraine decide what happens in Ukraine.
What I think is the government and what I think of government does not the least impact the realities of Ukrainian ownership, stewardship of Ukraine.
“Are you willing to meet me half-way and denounce the US government sending aid to either side in this conflict?”
No.
The US should do more to support Ukraine. And that angers because I have always leaned in the direction less involvement in because I believed they are capable not the opposite.
“And are you willing to endorse my proposal to hold new referenda to determine the fate of the Donbass, monitored by neutral nations, such as South Africa, Brazil, and Vietnam.”
No.
And I really thought well Russia is developing relations with her fellows in Europe. And I was not keen to hop on any Putin murdering his fellows bandwagon. That was then, in the light of more and new information, I am disappointed in Pres Putin, squandered a good deal for needless reasons. And maybe he he was involved in murdering his fellows . . . this certain, the US cannot now bail on NATO.
No. Even those countries would say, despite our fealty to Russia. No fair rendering can be had while this part of Ukraine is held hostage by a foreign power. Even Vietnam would see this as damaging environment for free elections and they have a long history holding elections at gunpoint.
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question for Vietnam — please explain the bees that were in the couch you built.
corrections:
“Are you willing to meet me half-way and denounce the US government sending aid to either side in this conflict?”
No.
The US should do more to support Ukraine. And that angers because I have always leaned in the direction less involvement Europe in because I believed they Europe are capable not the opposite.
My impression is that “Elite’s” thought processes lack the organization and clarity necessary for classification as a Neo-Nazi or anything else. Obviously, North Korea rejected his offer to help them with their nuclear weapons and missile delivery tech because his ideas were a little bit behind their existing systems.
Kim and N. Korea get a lot of bad PR in the West, some deserved and all designed to demonize, but the Israelis will not be amused if Kim loans a few nukes to Iran.
Given your lack of substance or coherence, you leave me no options
other than humor. Frankly, this exchange with you has destroyed
my last remnant of humility, so in the interest of deflating my
ballooning ego, I am terminating this discussion to save myself
from further embarrassment. The adage that, “any argument that
begins with only one fool, will end with two,”
is simply all too true.
EliteCommInc. wrote to 24th Alabama:
I am coming to the conclusion that you are just an obvious fraud, that you do not mean anything you post.
The reason I have not tried to justify Russia holding on to Chechnya is, of course, that I do not support Russia holding on to Chechnya… unless that happens to be what the people of Chechnya want.
I have the same view of Chechnya that I have of the Donbass… or, for that matter, of Texas or California. If the people in any of those areas want to leave the government that is currently over them, they should of course be free to do so.
You are the person who maintains that people should not be free to do that.
You are the person who has announced that the government owns the area in which people live.
I think the people who live there own the area they live in.
Always.
Everywhere.
As I said earlier, everyone should be as free to change their government as they are to change the department store they shop st.
Secession now, secession tomorrow, secession forever!
I think you do understand what I am saying.
I think that you are just intentionally and openly lying about it.
Just as I really think you are lying about applying for a job in North Korea.
It does not pass the laugh test that anyone not a citizen of North Korea would apply for a job there.
In another comment, you wrote:
And that one time I think you were telling the truth: I think you actually do have no friends.
Which is very, very weird indeed.
There is something wrong with you.
I honestly think you are an intentional, conscious, pathological liar, on the basis of the evidence a very, very disturbed human being.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
My old buddy John Johnson wrote to me:
As I keep saying, I think that there should be new referenda held in all of those oblasts to find out what the people want, with the referenda supervised by neutral countries such as Brazil, South Africa, and Vietnam.
Will you join me in calling for such referenda?
JJ also wrote:
Y’know, I, most Americans, and most of those you label “Putin defenders at Unz” really don’t give a damn about Putin, Ukraine, or Russia, except, as human beings, we think it might be nice if the killing stopped.
What we do give a damn about, unlike you, is our country, the United States of America. We want it to be a Republic, not an Empire, in which issues of war and peace are decided by open vote in the Congress, not by unilateral action of the President, and in which hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars are not siphoned to the most corrupt regime in Europe, the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev.
We are not calling for shoveling hundreds of billions into a black hole in Russia, we are not calling for sending US military materiel to Russia, thereby depleting US supplies.
You are the one who wants to betray the interests of the United States to serve a very corrupt foreign power, not us.
Were I a Russian, I probably would not have voted for Putin. Were I a Russian, I think I would have doubts that the SMO is in Russia’s interest.
Nonetheless, yes, I do admire the courage of the Russians in defending the people of Novorossiya.
But my biggest motivation is that I deeply hate the US Deep State.
Recently, the CIA released documentation showing that the CIA officer George Joannides lied to Congress about his association with Lee Harvey Oswald. Why did he lie? Why has the Deep State covered it up for over fifty years?
Honest Americans are sincerely suspicious that the CIA murdered John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
And this latest document release certainly feeds that suspicion.
That is what this country has come to: the Deep State is so corrupt that American suspect the Deep State really may have assassinated a President.
This is Roman Empire levels of corruption: the Praetorian Guard and all that.
And then there is the Epstein cover-up, and AIPAC’s control of our Mideast policy, and all the rest.
We want our country back!
A Republic, not an Empire.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
24th Alabama wrote to me:
Do you agree with me that he is almost certainly lying about that for some bizarre reason?
You may be right that North Korea is not quite the hellhole it is made out in the West. but why would anyone, with any skill set at all, who is not a North Korean citizen, apply for a job there?
It just makes no sense.
One of the Baltic Republics, many places in South America, South Korea, sure, I could see that.
But have you ever heard of anyone applying to North Korea for a job? Ever?
The tell-tale for me was this recent comment by EC:
A fellow with no friends at all. Who claims he applied for a job in North Korea (but they wisely turned him down).
This guy isn’t just incoherent: he is disturbed.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
How does this moronic, lying, Imperial troll (Fifth-class) get six comments in a row?
There is no ‘Ukrainian’ language but a sort of pig Russian. In The Ukraine everybody, even the sweaty rat, spoke Russian. The Banderite neo-nazis also boasted of removing one million volumes of ‘Russian’ literature from their libraries.
I took a break and whoaa duude….deja vu! This feels like that time the Ukrainians drone bombed a big radar, or Moscow or big ammo dump, or Stormshadowed the Crimean bridge. This time we really got that nasty Putin! Again.
Think of it like this. The Russian Federation is building up the largest group of experienced military personnel in the world, probably in preparation for something.
“Disturbed” is a near compliment.
You are a kind man.
Panting was heard over the hill and into the next vale, as you
obsessed over the humidity of another’s nethers.
Surely, thy drool cup doth overflow with the bitter
tears of unrequited man- love.
This is an intersting response. Having previously addressed nearly all of these issues in detail. I will respond to something that might look unaddressed, if it has been.
Well, then by all means advocate for Chechnya’s freedom. If you can name anywhere on the planet that became a country by Russia’s intervention and rescue — let me know.
If you can find a single sentiment that expresses that people should not be free, you are welcome to bring it forward and I will address it.
You don’t understand nationhood. Texas is surely Texan territory. But it belongs to all of the people of the US. Not just Texans, though I have little doubt that many Texans think otherwise. Donbass in Ukraine belongs to all Ukrainians, Crimea belongs to all Crimean’s. California belongs to all US citizens. As a US citizen, you don’t need papers to travel across states because all states are in fact yours. The federal dollars spent and invested in every state is an investment by US citizens. Being a resident of Kansas does not mean you not a US citizen and bound by only Kansas.
Excuse me get a grip. While people in the US oft forget in reality as much as we’d like to disown several states, they remain and are family and in some ways have to be more committed to one another despite the differences. So when discussing the government of Ukraine — we are discussing the people of Ukraine and of Ukrainian territory.
Now I get it some would like to go their own way. Well, there’s a process for that: petitioning your fellow citizens to see if they are willing to give up their part of the country to some entity or persons. You head out across the country and make your bid. You travel to congress and make your bid, You file a case in the courts and make your bid. Now the nation and the states do allow for private ownership but said ownership exists within the context of the members of the nation.
Here’s a hint — representative government. Just because one shortchanges government– it is usually understood — that people’s government. So in a democratic system the people in the Donbass want more freedom, they petition their citizens, fellow Ukrainians and discuss the matter. If you are a Texan and Californian that invites Mexicans to help you advocate — such conduct would generally be considered — traitorous. And if at war — treason. And to take up arms — against your fellows — treason. The land, the nation is not mine alone. Texas is not Texans alone. Donbass is not owned by the the people who live their alone, there are several million others who have a say.
There was a time when I did a job search to a lot of places in the US and out. Feeling out my options. And I remain open to whatever options come way. That doesn’t make me disloyal. People who engage get such jobs are called ex-pats. They are just people working outside of their own country. And they are every about the globe. Good grief, If you haven’t lived out of the US, i suggest you do so — you’ll appreciate home even more, at least many people do. Some are gone and are not coming back. Laugh.
In the 1980’s? I put out some feelers to go to Russia and get an education. You just need to get out more. At any rate, nothing wrong with living, working and dying in one place — absolutely. backbone citizens. The people of CA and Texas are stewards of Texas. They have an obligation to their fellow Texans and the rest of the US to guard and protect that which belongs to the people of the country.
Changing the government is a question for US citizens. And its clear that the national out pouring in Ukraine against the leaderships was a national statement.
A man can live without friends. But his integrity — that is another matter. Now I make errors in writing. What I don’t do is engage in untruthfulness. If you can locate a single lie or something you think is a lie I will certainly address it.
Hmmmmm . . . I don’t think you understand. Our disagreements does more a liar make. That you don’t have full rasp of how to make historical comparisons and at least add caveats, does me a liar make.
That Your claims regarding who the people are in relationship to their leadership as contradicted in black and white does me a liar make.
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As for secession, I agree with Pres Andrew Jackson and Pres Grant.
Opinions vary.
correction:
Hmmmmm . . . I don’t think you understand. Our disagreements does not me a liar make. That you don’t have full rasp of how to make historical comparisons and at least add caveats, does not me a liar make.
That Your claims regarding who the people are in relationship to their leadership is contradicted in black and white does not me a liar make.
As I keep saying, I think that there should be new referenda held in all of those oblasts to find out what the people want, with the referenda supervised by neutral countries such as Brazil, South Africa, and Vietnam.
Will you join me in calling for such referenda?
No that isn’t what you keep saying.
Here is what you said:
Nope — Novorossiya has been liberated by Russian troops.
Novorossiya as a term from the pre-1917 Russian empire would include Zaporozhia Oblast.
So in the same thread you described them as being liberated and now you’re claiming that there should be another vote.
Why should there be another vote? Do you think it is likely that they now support Russia after being invaded? Even though they never supported the pro-Russian politicians and overwhelmingly voted for Zelensky?
Y’know, I, most Americans, and most of those you label “Putin defenders at Unz” really don’t give a damn about Putin, Ukraine, or Russia, except, as human beings, we think it might be nice if the killing stopped.
What we do give a damn about, unlike you, is our country, the United States of America.
Poll show that most Americans support military aid to Ukraine:
https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/majority-of-americans-support-continuing-military-aid-to-ukraine-poll-finds/
Which means my position is representative of the majority while you are working from your imagination as some unelected spokesperson.
But beyond majority support we have a duty to defend Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. I don’t support abandoning political security agreements that have our signature.
Nonetheless, yes, I do admire the courage of the Russians in defending the people of Novorossiya.
But by your own admission they are violently occupying areas that do not want to be part of Russia, correct?
Do you admire the Russians for the 1500+ drones they have launched at Kiev in the past week? Is that liberation? You do acknowledge that Russian speaking Ukrainians will be killed in those attacks, right? Along with women and children?
How exactly is this a liberation? Are those military targets? 1500 in Kiev even though it isn’t close to the front?
Russia launches record number of drones at Kiev
Well, let’s not be disingenuous. Several posts ago I likened Russia invasion to me invading your home to rescue your kids . . . and then extended that scenario to include having them watch me punch ypu in the face and then ask then about how they would like to vote on an issue.
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The US is not and never has been an empire in the traditionally meaning of the word.
There is in my view something amiss in the country. it is what males the US unique. If the country has been captured by, it’s the financial industry and those that see dollars, rubles and yen before the they see the US.
I suggest you start with your congress person — advocae against the ownership of stocks while serving.
It’s hard to rationalize the sense of advocating secesstion and claiming to be pro-US first at the same time.
Interesting.
John Johnson wrote to me:
But, you’re lying, aren’t you, because anyone can check and see that I do keep saying that!
I say it again: I think that there should be new referenda held in all of those oblasts to find out what the people want, with the referenda supervised by neutral countries such as Brazil, South Africa, and Vietnam.
Will you join me in calling for such referenda?
See, I just keep saying it!
JJ also wrote:
Well, the only way to find out is to actually have the vote, right?
So, I guess you are now ready to join me in having the vote, right?
JJ also wrote:
And, exactly when did I admit that?
Have you been smoking weed again, JJ?
Anyway, to allay your curiosity, yes, I do think that in a fair referendum the four oblasts will probably vote to join the Russian Federation.
But let’s find out.
Join me in calling for such referenda.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
The self-declared enemy of the founding principles of the United States, EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
Why?
Precisely because I support the founding principles of the United States, I also support the right of secession of any region who wishes to exercise that right.
I think, for example, that the South had a legal right, under the Constitution, to secede in 1860-61. I don’t happen to think that seceding then was a great idea — I’m not a neo-Confederate — but I think Lincoln was wrong to deny their right to secede.
The United States would have continued in existence: it would just have had fewer slave states.
Better for the Northern states, in my opinion.
You really cannot grasp this: that someone could really be consistent in supporting the principles enunciated in the Declaration of Independence, can you?
Because you are so filled with hate toward those principles that you cannot really grasp them at all, right?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
The self-declared enemy of the principle of self-determination of peoples wrote to me:
You have made very, very clear — again and again — that you do not think people in some region should be free to choose their own government if they are part of a larger state.
You have made clear that you do not believe the thirteen colonies had that right or that the Donbass has that right or that Texas or California has that right.
But that right is essential to human freedom, as clearly laid out and explained in the Declaration of Independence.
Of course, you are lying about this. Because, if people are not free to leave a larger state of which they are a part, Ukraine had no right to leave the Soviet Union in August 1991.
So, if you were an honest person, and not the pathetic pathological liar that you are, you would support Russia retaking all of Ukraine and re-establishing the Russian Empire.
I think that would be a bad idea because I doubt that Galicia, for example, wishes to again be part of Russia, and I favor self-determination of peoples.
But this is what you would have to support if you were serious about what you have said here.
If you were not one seriously disturbed human being.
Th enemy of the founding principles of the United States also wrote:
I just did.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
Is that your attempt to speak Ukrainian?
I am not sure you comprehend how the nation was created after the revolution. Here’s one of several unique and key aspect of how the US was built.
As I have stated the soutj did not belong to the south. The nation was built by people from the south and north east and west. The founders had some serios analytical errors. They way also made some crucial mistakes. But one of the cornerstones of building the nation was that they required a complete and full consensus on declaring themselves a nation and making war. Every colony had to assent or no revolution, no as one anyway. The buy in was total.
The very idea of people in this day and age talking about cessation is utterly contrary to the very revolution that establish it. The Articles with east state kind a sorta their own country — failed. And it failed completely. That is why we have a Constitution with a clause called the Supremacy Clause. Nation first, statehood second. Anyone claiming the founders way and then advocating cessation — simply has a very flawed grasp of the US history, especially the founding or the founders.
Our nation has no such right and it s doubtful that the states will vote to include such, certainly states can petition to depart. The states have a right to seek separation, but if they make that choice by violence they will get violence in return. Their conduct is called treason.
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If you can find anywhere I reject the principles noted in the declaration, you are more than welcome to bring it forward and I will address it.
“You have made very, very clear — again and again — that you do not think people in some region should be free to choose their own government if they are part of a larger state.”
I have made no such statements nor have I expressed any such sentiments. You are welcome to post any such comment. It does not exist. hen te people in Ukraine decided to enjoy their own country and part from the Russian colonial power. The people in the Oblast regions voted the same. They desired to be Ukrainian. There was no caveat stating a desire to be their own. But more importantly, they are not free and will not be theory own nation as part of Russia. Trying to equate Russia ‘s conduct and that of the founding of the US is simply not possible. it is false comparison. Further,
you are welcome to post any statement that indicates people may not pursue indepennce. There is no such statement or sentiment.
As indicated by history Russia and Ukraine agreed on Ukraine’s indeonce. More importantly, the Soviet Union is not and was not a country It was a conglomeration of states. Countries in union. In the case of the Soviet Union countries held in place primarily bu force. Ukraine was a country when it was in the Soviet union., and it remained a country after the Soviet Union ended. Crimea and the Oblast was Ukrainian in the Soviet Union they remained Ukrainian after the Soviet Union ended.
“You have made very, very clear — again and again — that you do not think people in some region should be free to choose their own government if they are part of a larger state.”
I have made no such statements nor have I expressed any such sentiments. You are welcome to post any such comment. It does not exist. hen te people in Ukraine decided to enjoy their own country and part from the Russian colonial power. The people in the Oblast regions voted the same. They desired to be Ukrainian. There was no caveat stating a desire to be their own. But more importantly, they are not free and will not be theory own nation as part of Russia. Trying to equate Russia/Ukrainine relations and conduct and that of the founding of the US and Great Britain is simply not possible. It is false comparison. Further,
you are welcome to post any statement that indicates people may not pursue independence. There is no such statement or sentiment.
As indicated by history Russia and Ukraine agreed on Ukraine’s independence. More importantly, the Soviet Union is not and was not a country It was a conglomeration of states. Countries in union. In the case of the Soviet Union countries held in place primarily by force. Ukraine was a country when it was in the Soviet union, and it remained a country after the Soviet Union ended. Crimea and the Oblast was Ukrainian in the Soviet Union they remained Ukrainian after the Soviet Union ended.
You claims regarding what I said about Texas, CA, or Ukraine is entirely incorrect. I suggest you read my comments again. The declaration as a document of foce is only applicable to the colonists case. While it some universal concepts, the founders case is specific to the US and the US alone.
This comment or I should say refrain,
“Th enemy of the founding principles of the United States . . .” is unsubstantiated regardless how many times you say it. I have made no such position(s). You are invited to post any such statement or sentiment.
But this comment you make,
” Of course, you are lying about this. Because, if people are not free to leave a larger state of which they are a part, Ukraine had no right to leave the Soviet Union in August 1991.”
(aside from the constant accusation of lying) That is progress, finally the admission that the goal is the Russian Empire, which means the goal is all of her old colonies entotal and more depending on what era of empire is the goal. So we can stop pretending tis is about a rescue and instead a land grabbing enterprise. — theft by any other name.
note: There was no Soviet Union when Ukraine re-established her independence.
Or disagreement do not me a liar make. My refusal to bend to your will, does not me a liar make.
Your real problem is that the source you claim the Oblast most supported has completely upended your position. Ukrainians all of them, weter they are right or whether they are wrong whether the agree or disagree are i fact his people. It was a mistake to invite Russia.
He (Pres Yankovic) never intended to Crimea or anypart of Ukraine be annexed into Russia._
correction:
I may have mischaracterized your comments here. You do not support Russia’s attempt to remake her empire._ Unintentional
You are actually claiming thatit is my position does that —- No, not even close.
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
You are now just lying through your teeth — openly and unabashedly.
You have gone on at great length about how you reject the principle of self-determination laid out in the US Declaration of Independence.
Look: you are obviously not a natural-born US citizen: your English betrays that.
You admit that you tried to defect to North Korea, but, to their credit, they declined to take you!
You seem to be proud to declare that you have no friends or children, not surprisingly: what sane person would mix her genes with yours?!
Some years ago, on a different forum, I ran into a guy online who proudly announced that he had “anti-social personality disorder.” He then proceeded to demonstrate this in case we had any doubt.
Just like you.
Come clean: what nationality are you? What game are you playing and why?
One simple question: Ukraine never existed as an independent country at all prior to 1991 (yes, I know about the little interlude after WW I — they never created a stable country).
“The Ukraine” just means the borderlands… of Russia.
The Communists cobbled together this little fake country out of bits and pieces: for example, the area around Lvov was part of Poland prior to the end of WW II.
But… in August 1991, Ukraine seceded from the Soviet Union. In terms of the position you have staked out here, Ukraine had no right to secede. (I, of course, cheered on their secession, being a bold and consistent secessionist!)
If Ukraine was wrong to secede in 1991, it should still be part of the Russian Empire, as it indeed was historically.
But if Ukraine did have a right to secede in 1991, then the Donbas had a right to secede in 2014.
One or the other: you can’t have it both ways.
But no one really cares what your response is any more: we all know now that you are a despicable, pathetic, friendless, psychopathic pathological liar.
Such people exist.
You have proven you are one of them.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
You’re becoming incoherent. Are you drunk? Or high?
The Supremacy Clause says nothing about secession (not “cessation”!). The Constitution prior to the amendments does not address the issue of secession at all, and you will have trouble finding serious scholars who think it does. Indeed, if you actually knew anything about US history (of course, it’s not surprising you don’t, since you were not born here!), you’d know that New England states seriously considered secession in 1814.
But the Tenth Amendment is relevant. Here: is what it states:
Since the Constitution does not grant the right to hold states in the Union against their will to the federal government, and since it does not prohibit secession by the states, the right of secession is “reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The idea that the Founders and, more importantly, the citizenry, would have denied the right of secession to the states, when the whole country was openly and explicitly founded upon a universal right of secession, as laid out in the Declaration…. well, that assumes that both the Founders and the citizenry were schzoid.
Again, you have stated again and again and again that you reject the right of self-determination laid out in the Declaration. But to assume that the Constitution holds your view, rather than the views of the Founders who approved both the Declaration and the Constitution is… well…. truly insane.
You are just playing silly word games: you have announced that the Soviet Union was not a country, but that Ukraine, which actually has no sustained history as a country prior to 1991, was a country. In fact, Ukraine is a fake little country glued together by the Soviet Communists — do some googling.
But you don’t care, because you are just a pathetic, despicable, friendless, childless, pathologically lying, psychopathic thug.
As you have made clear.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
I have put the matter to the fore. Show my comment where I state I oppose the principles in question or that people should not be free. I know what your mistake. But you don’t. Posting a comment made by someone else repeating the claim is not proof of the claim.
Please post the comment I have made that supports your claim.
Ukraine as nation: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Ukraine
There is not single element of this discussion that is relevant to anyone’s nationality.
Name a single comment that indicates I oppose self determination.
Ukraine did not secede. The Union of countries making up the Soviet Union ended and those same countries made choices about their course. Russia agreed. I have no issue that Ukraine chose to be independent — and remain a nation apart from Russia. I have not made any claims regarding the rightness or wrongness for the nation of Ukraine to end its relations with Russia. Bully for them.
As I have made abundantly clear, the issues regarding Ukraine is a matter for Ukrainians to decide. If any aspect of the issue you press is new. It’s that the Oblasts sought independence. They did not in 1991. This is a recent development that cannot be decided while being occupied by a hostile force with weapons.
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One of whom is unclear — but opinions vary. I can say with certainty, I have not engaged in any untruthful or misleading information. The game you have played — is now eating up your case. The president you claim was removed people not his own — flatly contradicts you. This independent movement is one launched primarily by Russia and that president — much too his credit admits to a crucial mistake — inviting Russia into Ukraine. He does not support annexation of any part of Ukraine and that was never his intention —- I cannot resolve that dilemma for you.
Nor have you made a compelling case of comparison, in fact the comparison destroys your position on several levels as stated and I stand by every position as layed out in black white why you are wrong.
As for your constant personal critique. I can only say opinions vary.
No. There is no plaque in the Constitution that addresses cession. I make that statement early on. You might to examine why the Supremacy clause matters. I have not made a single argument claiming that Supremacy clause addresses cessation at all, certainly not directly. But it does reinforce that the Constitution is binding on all states in the union. Choosing a violent course of action to end that union is a treason act and will be met with violence.
Wow what an comment, the US has wrestled with the issues repeatedly since its founding. I do not dispute that. You are repeatedly making arguments that did not and have not made and attributing them to me. But when pressed to post the same in support of your claim, you fail to do so. You simply repeat the claim. Circular at best and entirely unhelpful.
The country does not belong to any state. The states belong one to another. The Articles attempted to pave a way forward with each state operating according their own standard(s) as they desired. It was unworkable to operate in that manner and as a state. In the articles, the states could bounce willy nilly in and out. But to have a nation, a different format was needed and that format we oft refer to the laws of the land — which each state voluntarily agreed to join. Once in, there was no mechanism for getting out and none was intended. Now the US has a process of petitioning and states could pursue that course by the mechanism in place as previously stated. But the states require the views of all other states since no state is its own master.
I am curious how many people in the south agreed with a war against her fellows. Why did most southern men not fight the war. Why most fled the matter altogether. Were they consulted. Did each county or Parish hold a vote to see what the US citizens in Perry County thought of fighting their fellows. Just curious. Anyway — only important if you get the implications of your press regarding rights and who decides.
The Supremacy Clause — the Supreme law of the land and there is right granted to any state that allows that state to tear away a part of the country minus their consent and in the south most men disagreed. The majority lost out in a bid that was treason. If these rights you claim exist as part of the human condition — apparently their right to stay in the union was ignored. Interesting.
One has a legal right to pursue x by petition through various mechanisms in the US. But to date, there is no indication that a single founder established means or intent to break the union in any fashion at all.
You have real issues with categorical distinctions. The declaration for all its value was intended to speak for the colonies — not the world. While some of its are in fact universal, the founders were not leading a global revolution. Hence the Title and the issues pertaining to the relations those colonies claimed grievances against Great Britain. If you don’t see the deep internal contradictions in the founding and the founders. You are in for very serious disappointments.
Wow, you think the Soviet Union was a country — interesting. But in any case, I agree with most who say an election held by an armed foreign power who is also making war at the same time in the country in which the elections are held, has no legitimacy.
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Find a single comment in which I oppose the principles of the Constitution or the declaration — I think even your own team expects you to provide evidence for the claim and accusations you have made.
Again on what was intended by the leader you said was best represented by the Oblast refutes your claims on the issues — I think its safe to say — you are wrong. I remain stunned that he has that level of integrity to make the admission while actually living in Russia.
“One simple question: Ukraine never existed as an independent country at all prior to 1991 (yes, I know about the little interlude after WW I — they never created a stable country)”
Ukraine existed as an independent country of Eastern Slavs ruled by Varagians and called Rus’ from the 9th century up to the 15th century. Gediminas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania obtained most of Ukraine part of Rus’ by conquest and unions in the 14th century. Ivan the Great conquered the Novgorod part of Rus’ in the 15th century. The name Rus’ is from Old Norse rods (like is Finnish Ruotsi, Sweden in Finnish), men who row, as Varagians were Swedish vikings (the name Rus’ is not from red, red haired people around Moscow were Mari people, not Slavs at all. Moscow was not a part of the original Rus’. The oldest area under Varagian control was in Ukraine, around Kiev. Later, in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (up to 1648) the area of Ukraine was called Ruthenia. They spoke their own language, Ruthenian, and Russia was the neighboring country in the East.
Slavs did not live in Russia in 600-800 AD, with the exception of Ilman Slavs in Novgorod. Moscow Russia was created by Ivan the Great, before that time the area was in the Golden Orde. Saint Petersburg was created by Peter the Great on area of Baltic Finns. The South of present Ukraine was Crimean Khanate and was obtained by Russia in the 18th century. Russia is the new artificial country created by military expansionism. While Russian is an Eastern Slavic language, Russians are not mainly Slavic genetically. Why should Russia try to conquer the real Slavic country Rus’?
{In fact, Ukraine is a fake little country glued together by the Soviet Communists}
Not just Communists.
Gluing started with the Russian Tsars.
The fact that all countries have some origin before they existed is a nice little set trap. Here’s what exists today. Ukraine is a country with its history before Russia and during Russia and after the Soviet Union. Whenever advocates for Pres Putin get caught in a trap of their own making they start this ancient history not a country dialogue.
When their analysis begins to eat up their crusade by the actual data and events of history — they devolve into Pres. Putin’s nonsense about Ukraine is not a real country. Hint few if any country’s within the Soviet Sphere were real counties before Russia and the Soviets. This is old hat. It doesn’t matter a wink how many documents and historians explicate a different story. This dialogue is their attempted escape hatch. It’s false and irrelevant to todays events.
The Soviet campaign to erase history and make up one of their own as part of the erasing the past capitalist manifestation is what is being spouted here. It’s interesting but more importantly — it’s sad. Because for commenters such as PhysicistDave, all this enclaves should be free if they want to be —- but that admission destroys Russia’s invasion to recapture old lands.
So of course when all else fails: name calling, accusations of all sorts fly and their frustration mounts. Claims of lieing mount, but no proof is ever presented. Instead it’s just a constant repetition of catch alls, with each player on the team repeating the accusation —-
Creating the Kafkaesque surreal maze that of one is not careful can be convinced is real and true — Lenin would proud. Very sad.
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But the task remains:
Dates when the Oblast Regions be presented before the UN to be independent counties.
the legitimacy of voting carried out by a foreign armed force.
unraveling the false comparison of what is taking place in Ukraine to the colonies and the US civil war.
providing any example of my rejecting the principles of the declaration or the constitution
any example where oppose self determination
What to do when the source of arguments roundly and clearly states the opposite.
and more . . . . but let’s start with those
Sigh just for fun,
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-claims-map-proves-ukraine-not-real-despite-saying-ukraine-2023-5
Those F-ers are lucky I don’t have control over some nukes because the next man killed by any State would have nukes falling on every powerful family around the world. Why harm those fathers and brothers they hide behind. After the first two take out some majo0y areas I would simply announce who’s severed heads will be on the steps within a week of I will nuke those areas, so every barman, every driver, every gardener will be saving their families by over running the powerful homes and dragging out all adults and simply sawing off their heads.
I was upset early in the Ukraine-Russian war because I wanted Putin to wake our Sick womanhood that when not grasping, murdering, mutilating, destroying, .. only Fear moves them as a Body, and if Putin put a dummy nuke warhead in an ICBM, announced his plans, and launched it over USA main-land traveling over Europe to save those men and stop the insanity .. would it have worked?
And about nuke war killing everyone – I do not believe it, I have doubts that they are near as bad or that maybe only a joint world-wide powerful families population control through cold war, but if 3+ Billion mass deaths occurred one day, and the survivor’s were free of Zionists and others Satanic torture and Hell ..
Would it be worth it. The dead [children] not suffering the Witches at home and school, similar for the men and women, knowing last moments those Machines-for-Hell dying also in fire and screams – makes you smile to think the children that survive will soon have such a good life without those horrors and men in their community hanging judges, teachers, abortionists, and all other that threaten the community and will not repent ..
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Avery wrote to me:
On behalf of Vladimir Putin, let me thank you for making Putin’s point!
Ukraine was not an administrative unit under the tsars: see here:
The Communist dictators glued together various tsarist provinces to form the artificial unit of Ukraine.
And, then as time went on, they glued on more pieces: the area around Lvov after WW II, Crimea in 1954, etc.
Initially glued together by the Bolsheviks and then further gluing over the decades.
The Ukraine is a make-believe country like other made-up countries such as Iraq, Sudan, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, etc.
But what really matters is what the people who live there today want: as the Declaration states, all people have a right to secede from any government they wish and to accede to any other government they wish.
Which is why I am calling for referenda in all the oblasts of Ukraine to determine which oblasts wish to be ruled by Kiev and which wish to be ruled from Moscow, these referenda to be monitored by neutral states such as Brazil, South Africa, and Vietnam.
I suspect that most of the oblasts in Novorossiya, many more than just the four that have already joined Russia, will choose to accede to the Russian Federation.
But perhaps not. The only way to tell is to hold the referenda.
I have no ax to grind. I will be happy to defer to the decision of the people of each oblast.
So, will you join me in calling for such referenda in all the oblasts of the Ukraine?
Why do I suspect that you may not be real keen on letting the people decide?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
j2 wrote to me:
I am sure Putin will thank you for making his point.
As you say, it was called “Rus,” the root of the word “Russia,” not “Ukraine,” and, in fact, its territory included huge swathes of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia.
That is Putin’s key point: he believes that, historically, Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine are all part of one single country — “Rus” or, as we now say, “Russia.”
And you have proven that Putin is indeed right.
Since a picture is worth a thousand words, here is a map of Kievan Rus:
Or for those who prefer words from the Wikipedia:
As I have said, I took several years of high-school Russian, so I know that modern Russians view Kievan Rus as the birthplace of Russian culture, rather as Americans view Jamestown or Plymouth Plantation.
Specifically, Russians view the conversion to Christianity of Prince Vladimir the Great in 988 AD as the opening of Russia to European civilization.
Indeed, I remember when the (supposedly atheistic!) Soviet Communist regime held a millennial celebration of this conversion in 1988 (see here).
So, yes Russia begins with Kievan Rus, which did indeed rule much of Russia. From the Russian viewpoint, allowing “Little Russia” to leave Russia would be like the United States allowing Virginia or Massachusetts to leave the USA.
In fact, as you may recall, Virginia tried that: Lincoln was less tolerant then Putin has been!
Again, my own view is that what matters is what the people who live there today want, which is why I am calling for referenda in all of the oblasts of Ukraine to determine which oblasts wish to be governed from Kiev and which wish to be governed from Moscow, these referenda to be monitored by neutral countries like Brazil, South Africa, and Vietnam.
I suspect that quite a few will choose Moscow, but the only way to find out is to hold the referenda.
So, will you join me in calling for such referenda to let the people decide?
Why am I doubtful that you will accept the decision of the people?
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Let the people decide.
“So, yes Russia begins with Kievan Rus, which did indeed rule much of Russia. From the Russian viewpoint, allowing “Little Russia” to leave Russia would be like the United States allowing Virginia or Massachusetts to leave the USA.”
Some Russians, like Putin, do think that Russia begins with Kievan Rus’, but this is not the case. Initially the area of Moscow was not in Kievan Rus’. For some time, the largest extent of Kievan Rus’, Moscow was in Kievan Rus’, but basically as a colony as the area was populated by Mari people, a Fenno-Ugric people. Later the area of Moscow was part of a vassal state of the Golden Orde. The original Rus’ was in Ukraine and that is where Eastern Slavs originally lived. The original area of all Slavs is Ukraine and Poland. This area does not include present day Russia at all, with the exception of Ilmen Slavs close to Ilmajarvi (a Finnish name of that lake, meaning “air lake”, originally this area was Fenno-Ugric like all other areas in Northern Russia, Ilmen Slavs came later).
Russia was in the outskirts of Kievan Rus’. It was a Slavic colony in the area of Mari people. Later it was ruled by Golden Orde, a vassal state. Only in the 15th-16th century Russia conquered more area, area that was populated by non-Slavic peoples. Russia forced these peoples to adopt the Russian language, but genetically present day Russians are not direct descendants of Kievan Rus’. From google AI:
“Russian autosomal DNA exhibits a degree of heterogeneity across different regions of Russia, with populations in central European Russia showing closer genetic similarity to central-eastern European populations than those in northern Russia. Populations in northern Russia, particularly those with Finno-Ugric ancestry, display distinct genetic profiles.”
Russians adopted the East Slavic language, Orthodox religion and even a story of their history as Kievan Rus’, but they are not descendants of Kievan Rus’, Ukrainians are. Russia is a country with colonies, colonies that have been so brainwashed that they do not even realize that they are colonies. These Russian colonies are not any older than colonies of Western European countries, but unlike Western Europe, Russia never allowed these colonies to get their freedom.
Russians are as much descendants of Kievan Rus’ as Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of Biblical Israelites. But people here question what right Ashkenazi Jews have to claim that they come from Palestine, and correctly so. In a same sense, Russians have very little right to claim that Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians are one people. They are not, Russians are mixtures, they only speak an Eastern-Slavic language. In a same sense, Americans are not the same people as British, though both speak English.
“From the Russian viewpoint, allowing “Little Russia” to leave Russia would be like the United States allowing Virginia or Massachusetts to leave the USA.”
Moscow Russia was a colony of Kievan Rus’, then it went to become a superpower. For Russia to claim that Ukraine belongs to it and to invade Ukraine is exactly the same as if the USA, a former colony of the Great Britain that become a superpower, would claim that American and British are the same people and the USA would invade The UK because the UK belongs to the US due to common history (where the US was a colony). Americans are not the same people as the British, and Russians are not the same people as Ukrainians, despite the similar languages. Ukrainian is not so similar to Russian to be fully mutually understandable (I also did study some Russian and speak Polish quite well, Ukrainian has many Polish words, it is not Russian)
j2 wrote to me:
You are going to an awful lot of trouble to argue that Russians are not really East Slavs!
This is more than slightly ridiculous: a large fraction of the people considered East Slavs today are, after all, Russians.
This is a bit like arguing that I am not really of British descent because, after all, some of my ancestors were Angles and Saxons who were, as we all know, Germans and not Britons.
Well…
In any case, as I keep saying, it doesn’t really matter.
What matters is what the people who live in the Ukraine today want, which is why I am calling for referenda in all of the oblasts of Ukraine to determine which oblasts wish to be governed from Kiev and which wish to be governed from Moscow, these referenda to be monitored by neutral countries like Brazil, South Africa, and Vietnam.
I suspect that quite a few oblasts will choose Moscow, but the only way to find out is to hold the referenda.
So, again, will you join me in calling for such referenda to let the people decide?
Why do I doubt that you will accept the decision of the people themselves?
Dave Miller — the Anglo-Saxon/Briton/German/Celtic/Beaker Folks/etc. guy — in Sacramento
EliteCommInc. wrote to me:
I have stopped responding to you because I am just “feeding the troll.”
No matter how often I and others refute your nonsense, you just openly lie, redefine words in bizarre ways, add irrelevant details, or simply ignore our points.
It’s a waste of time. You are a nutjob.
EliteCommInc. also wrote:
No, they really don’t.
First, I do not have a “team”: this is not a competition. And the sane people here appear to be even more bored with you than I am.
If any person whose past comments evince a decent level of sanity were to ask me to respond to one of your points, I would consider it.
That has not happened.
But I will indulge you by addressing the one point I just quoted here. Sure — the Declaration was issued by the thirteen colonies, not by the entire world. Obviously, it spoke for those thirteen colonies.
But, just as obviously, the Founders intended the general principles enunciated in the Declaration to apply to the entire world. After all, they said so.
The second paragraph begins:
These were highly literate and articulate men. They could have said “all Englishmen” or “all people subject to the British government” or “all of us colonists.”
But they didn’t: they said “all men.”
If you knew anything at all about American history, you would know there was some dissension among the Patriots over whether to base their opposition to the Crown on “the rights of Englishmen” or on universal natural rights.
The Founders decided to go the latter route in the Declaration.
Indeed, various phrases in the Declaration were lifted directly from Locke’s Second Treatise, a general philosophical work which purports to be relevant to human beings in general.
Now of course I have now had enough experience with your ability to spout infinite piles of very fragrant BS to anticipate how you might respond: perhaps you will say they did not mean what they literally said. Or perhaps you will say that the fact that they eventually, after listing general principles, got down to their specific grievances proves that the general principles were not general principles.
Or some BS so bizarre it exceeds my imagination.
You said, “If you don’t see the deep internal contradictions in the founding and the founders. You are in for very serious disappointments.” Apparently not. I am not seriously disappointed.
I am indeed quite free of disappointment.
I could go on and on and on pointing out one bizarre comment by you after another, but it would only encourage you to post even more of your BS.
I can think of more interesting things to do.
Like watch grass grow.
Dave Miller in Sacramento