Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.
For those interested, here are my three most recent articles:
- Fact-Checking the American Pravda Series
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • May 26, 2025 • 8,600 Words - The True History of World War II
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • June 2, 2025 • 14,300 Words - Fact-Checking 9/11, the JFK Assassination, the Covid Outbreak, the Holocaust, and Other Controversial Topics
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • June 9, 2025 • 7,400 Words
My long article on the true history of World War II is a written companion piece to the talk I recently gave at a Mises Institute conference, which will be published in their proceedings. The talk itself is available online for those interested:
Does commenter Joe Stalin know about the MORE tag?
Can someone get a message to him?
I’ll just pimp my blog this time. It’s a post with a #SAD comparison between 2025 and 1973 Sweden:

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Now, in this duet, the girl singer is pretty sad. It’s like this:
Bjorn and Bennie wrote the song. The male part of the duet is by Bjorn, and the female part is both of the girls. Yeah, the song’s #SAD, but not as #SAD as the modern lyrics would have it, something about getting raped twice this week and nearly blown to smithereens by a hand grenade… uhhhh, so anyway, enjoy the old European world of a half century ago, even if only in your head….
You want the truth, Katie Hopkins, UK Daily Mail writer? You can’t handle the truth!
Also, if you’re gonna advertise your articles up top in these threads, I suppose some of that is fair game.
The Flu Manchu was created in a Wuhan, as outsourced by Anthony Fauci from the
bioweaponserrr, gain-of-function labs in Chapel Hill, NC. Quality is not JOB 1 in China, so the virus escaped.People like you panicked. You welcomed Totalitarianism. I remember. That was unAmerican and shameful.
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PS: I’m not sure Ron Unz cares about being unAmerican. Almost all headlines at the top are anti-American, pro-China, anti-Trump, etc. Fuck you!
Know how they say it takes two Jews to scam an Armenian, and two Armenians to scam a Greek?
7 Nigerians imprisoned for scamming 350 Indians.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/7-nigerians-arrested-in-up-mohali-police-bust-intl-gang-of-online-scammers/articleshow/121385181.cms
Achmed, I know that song–John Denver wrote it!
If WWII soldiers knew their children and grandchildren would be sacrificed in forced integration/social engineering projects they would have stopped fighting.
That’s one of the main drivers of conspiracy theories: so many Western leaders became malicious/stupid at the same time and in the same ways. And non-responsive to or actively suppressing public opinion.
I don’t mind Ron putting up these iSteve open threads, but he shouldn’t be using my name as posting them. Please just byline them as posted by “The Editor” and we’ll all be happy.
Steve Sailer
SteveSailer.Net
Hey, I thought you said White people don’t want advocates? Yet Jared Taylor racks up huge likes with each post. Weird, huh? It’s as if White people are human beings.
Unlike “above it all” CivNats who revel in their non-human aspirations.
Ron, a suggestion to agitate some division and promote scathing rebukes with trenchant observations maybe repost some snippets of Steve’s latest substack kvetchings for us to rail against?
Like this turgid defecation https://www.stevesailer.net/p/my-second-iq-video
Sheesh, what a balmalocha!
Lol!
Looks like iSteve’s been out Jewed!
The last part, directed at Mr. Unz, was un-called for. I take back the last sentence. Mr. Unz does a great service by running this site, no matter what I think of lots of the articles.
The problem for me when I wrote that was drinking… not enough.
I agree. My suggestion to have this fixed is to put a quick note in the latest Bugs & Suggestions thread. The yellow background will stand out, so probably Ron Unz will see it immediately and figure a way to clear this up on this, future, and even past iSteve Open Threads.
BTW, I watched both of your 8 min videos. You’ve already taught me all this stuff, but it is simple enough for a lot of people to learn from. The 1st half(?) of the 2nd one has you speaking pretty fast. Maybe the young people – who speed up videos and all – would be fine with it. I like a speed to where things can sink in.
At least it wasn’t Paul Joseph Watson style, with editing that can give people seizures.
I’ve already posted Steve’s comment in the Bugs & Suggestions thread:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-3/#comment-7160053
This. Yes. Agree.
Astonishing how the judicial and political institutions shifted to weaponizing this invasion/replacement/destruction.
Faaarrrr…. out, Nick!! … but ABBA wrote this one in German first and then had the English version afterwards. Are we talking the same song, are you Rocky Mountain high, or am I missing a joke? (It’s probably the latter.)
Perhaps he misinterpreted “Leaving on a Jet Plane.”
Materialistic mindset reduces people to commodities. Each is replaceable by any other unit from anywhere. Nationalism denies the globalist impulse of forever growth, lines on a chart of productivity forever upward. Elites everywhere wanted the same thing and the only way to do that was to keep wages low, productivity high and treat every issue as economic. Now we’re paying that price.
You’re so endearingly naive. Obviously, Sailer can communicate directly to Unz without posting. He’s doing it as a form of public denial. “I’m not posting at Unz Review” .
It’s nice that the latest thread will load in my browser now that it doesn’t have 1000+ comments.
There should be regular thread renewals. They should have relevant questions like “when Sailer dies, who will be the next Sailer?”. I mean obviously Sailer should turn into a title, like ” Caesar”. It can even have devolutions like Tsar…. Sailer–>Slur. Slur Achmed II, etc.
I refer to this blog to friends and family as “the Steve Sailer Jr. blog,” as opposed to “the Steve Sailer Sr. blog.”
If you remove his name as poster, his next step will be to demand that his name be completely removed, which would effectively kill it.
But some of the old hands (Almost Missouri, Achmed, et al.) have ensured that this place will always evoke the man who started and now seeks to kill it, in spirit and in name.
why are you posting your gripe here? i don’t think most people give a shit about your proprietary squabble with unz. is he not answering your calls? frankly, i would find it amusing if you sued him over this as it would be a perfect illustration of the lack of virtue and integrity of the 21st century blogging intellectual elite.
and in response to Newman above, both of you were embarrassing, unthinking ninnies when it came to the covid thingy, and whatever positive reputations you both enjoy will forever be asterisked by this shame. you promoted the police state, when all you had to do was stay at home if you personally felt at risk. you’re the wordsmith, so draft something with that sentiment in mind to put on your headstone.
‘I don’t mind Ron putting up these iSteve open threads, but he shouldn’t be using my name as posting them. Please just byline them as posted by “The Editor” and we’ll all be happy.’
So entitled, so utterly boomer 🙄
No one cares what Pfiser Steve ‘minds.’
People will use Steve’s name however they please. Viz: Steve Sailer is a disingenuous Pfizer shill.
No one cares about Steve’s preferred byline.
Steve doesn’t know that his suggested byline makes anyone happy.
No one cares if Steve is happy.
What an entitled, prissy, presumptuous narcissist is this fraud Pfiser Steve!
I think the covid scare and the measures against it were overdone, with the benefit of hindsight. But at the time we didn’t know – after all, it was thought to be a possible germ warfare attack (by China or US, yer takes yer choice), and certainly the Chinese took it very seriously indeed. So did the Israelis, who paid top dollar to be near the front of the queue for the jabs.
I went from (early on) disinfecting things like door handles and light switches, to stopping the jabs the minute they’d let me travel without them. I’m somewhat bothered about the reported upsurge in various ailments since covid, because some of my family work in places where jabs are still afaik compulsory.
I had covid about 18 months ago, and it was an absolute pussycat compared with swine flu.
Robert Redfield, former CDC head, believes that the restrictions placed on children and the healthy were unnecessary and in fact harmful. there is a now cohort of what parents call ‘covid kids’, who suffer from anxiety, depression and other psychological issues arising from being terrorized into believing that they risked ‘killing granny’ if they played outdoors, and who had to be fixed to a computer screen for 7 hours a day for their own good. you don’t need to exercise hindsight to realize this. to the extent there was a limitation on activity and advocacy for vaccination, it should have been for the elderly and infirm. everyone knew from the beginning what the at risk demographic was.
Honestly?
Probably not. They NEVER would have/could have, believed what today would look like!
Plus, they already been fed a steady diet of “Hate Hitler”.
This is why these phases are done over various generations; You can’t get the masses to change directions 180 degrees in their own lifetime, so they let them get old, and/or die, then spring “the new thing” on their kids and grandkids.
If you had a time machine, and could go back and tell/show The Greatest Generation, WTF their countries were to become, they’d call you a goddamned liar, and probably, punch you in the face for suggesting it!
Demon pedo drag queen freaks, in front of little children? Paris and London, overrun with mud people!?!?
They’d never believe it!
Brian Wilson. Dead. Given his lifestyle, like Sly Stone’s, I will be pissed if I don’t make it to 82.
Yes, the idea of jabbing EVERYONE, when it was obviously the old or otherwise health-compromised in danger, was and is damn stupid.
I was driving to South Wales in December during covid, to see my elderly aunt and talk to her through a care home window. Stopped at a supermarket – and they had, on the orders of the devolved Welsh government, cordoned off all the non-food items – so on an icy December day the old people we ostensibly cared so much about couldn’t buy gloves or a scarf. Some people just love saying “you can’t do that”.
“If you remove his name as poster, his next step will be to demand that his name be completely removed, which would effectively kill it.”
I see no reason to doubt Sailer’s statement that he would be happy with a small change. And if removing Sailer’s name would kill this place then it doesn’t really deserve to survive.
Indeed they do. It took every ounce of my superhuman will power not to heave some geezer into the canned soup pyramid after he chastised me for walking in the wrong direction down the super market aisle. Directional arrows pasted to the floor of retail spaces: One of the brilliant tactics intended to ‘flatten the curve’ in the states.
All those sixties rock stars are up in there eighties now. I was surprised Brian Wilson and Sly Stone lived as long as they did. It’s time for the others to be going soon. The fifties rock stars passing away did not have much emotional effect on me since the peak of their fame was when I was too young to be aware of it but as a late Boomer the sixties rock figures were a big part of my life.
“I don’t mind Ron putting up these iSteve open threads, but he shouldn’t be using my name as posting them.”
Absolutely. I know, I requested that Mr. Unz cease and desist. Seems to me your second protestation is falling upon deaf ears. Then again, you’re no longer part of his operation, so why even sweat it?
That’s the opposite of what Steve wrote. Why are you having such a bad faith take on Steve’s reasonable request?
“why are you posting your gripe here?”
Indeed.
“don’t think most people give a shit about your proprietary squabble with unz. is he not answering your calls?”
It’s Mr. Sailer’s penchant for being passive-aggressive.
“both of you were embarrassing, unthinking ninnies when it came to the covid thingy, and whatever positive reputations you both enjoy will forever be asterisked by this shame”
To the contrary, they were generally right. It’s embarrassing for you think otherwise.
“in forced integration/social engineering projects”
Nope. They were by the consent of the people, a call to arms against an odious institution known as Jim Crow. Normies aren’t buying your revisionist history.
Every once in awhile I get the urge to see one of the bands from my youth play. But the ticket prices and embarrassment for them stop me. My brother was somewhere in Boston getting tickets for a show recently and he texted me that Gang of Four were on the marquee to play later that week. Ahh . . . Nah. They are my age more or less, in other words past their sell by date. (Wifey and I saw Cab Callaway for New Years at the Limelight in NYC back in the 80s. He was pretty old then, but put on a different type of show.)
Right, Ralph. I can believe it. A friend mentions the Kalergi Plan a lot. I haven’t done much reading on it though.
All of this all has me figuring it’s more than just a bunch of stupid people independently deciding to commit the same stupidity during the same few decades. However, the stupidity is in going along with said conspiratorial plan. This did not have to happen.
There were warnings too, Enoch Powell over there, Peter Brimelow here… etc.
“…They were by the consent of the people, …”
I doubt bussing ever had majority support. And you will notice that lefties have mostly stopped pushing it perhaps because besides being politically unpopular it didn’t help black children much.
I’m glad I got to see a few icons of a previous age when young. Bill Haley was great, a real showman, Chuck Berry phoned it in.
Can Callaway, that would have been worth seeing.
Somewhat coincidentally, I recently worked with someone who has a 6 y/o with some speech problems (though he should be fine in the long run). Part of it, she told me – never heard the term before – is that he is a “Kovid Kid”.
Aside from all you wrote here, MGB, there are the speech development problems that this kid has experienced (and the Mom has, of course). It was the face masks. In my Peak Stupidity post of last week, The Kovid Kids, I brought up a post of mine from 5 years ago: Scenes from the Kung Flu Summer re-Panic – Part 6. Here’s what I’d written:
Here was one of my 2 file photos in that post in mid-Summer of ’20:
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That’s just my “I told you so!” rant, but let me add that the research on speech development that got into parental (Mom usually) facial expression was from as late as ’13.
It’s bad enough I thought for years that babies couldn’t talk at, say, 1 y/o, because they have no idea what to say. No, they don’t know how to make their throats, mouths, lips, etc. make the sounds. Then you figure that the learn this by trial & error – keep making noises until they come out right. There’s more to it, some (pretty interesting, IMO) research determined – the little ones learn by studying the facial expressions of their Moms when their Moms talk. Well, with the stupid masks on, how was THAT supposed to work?!
He’s locked himself in his private quarters and everyone is afraid to knock on the door.
BONAFIDE

The riot in Chicago is bigger and messier than the one in LA, but it’s still mostly harmless. Sounds like the hit-and-run was more about lack of training, preparation, and control by police than an actual desire to run people over.
“I think the covid scare and the measures against it were overdone, with the benefit of hindsight. But at the time we didn’t know ”
Bullshit. You don’t get to recruit the entire world into your “we didn’t know”. Many of us, and many people here, knew exactly what this was from day 1. It was an excuse to install world wide tyranny and facilitate the largest transfer of wealth in all of history. You’re citing China and Israel as examples of honest and correct action? LOL Preposterous.
If we had leaders who were prudent, rational, honest, and not bought and paid for, the idea of individual responsibility would have been promoted. People who felt they were at risk: stay home; everyone else: go on about your lives.
I cannot believe people are still coping with the fact that they were duped by gaslighting everyone else.
My wife grew up loving ABBA — from behind the “Iron Curtain.” Her family listened to Radio Free Europe and Voice of America (run by Tucker Carlson’s father.) They watched TV that was broadcast from Hungary, even though that was technically illegal under Ceaușescu. They lived near enough to that better-run, somewhat-more-free-and western country, the country of their origin, their rightful homeland.
And so, my wife could listen to ABBA.
(Her father, my father-in-law, was an army intelligence officer, a colonel. I have seen the radio he used to listen to American propaganda. It was a quite nice, wood-cased thing with multi-bands. I wish I had brought it home when we sold the place last year.)
And that was the beginning of her learning English. She told her parents that she wanted to learn English so that she could understand what ABBA were singing! Her parents hired a tutor to teach her English.
When she got to America, many years later. she earned herself a masters degree in mathematics, in English. And so, we have on our shelves, among others, two things: a bound volume of her thesis in Romanian, involving fluid dynamics, and her American masters thesis in mathematics. I am amazed at the quality of English in her American paper. It is perfect, and it all started with ABBA.
You never know.
The way I remember it was very close to this. Nearly everyone I saw was freakin’ terrified.
It is terrible for your vitality to stay in your house too long and not go outside and get fresh air and sunshine. The governor of California ordered the parks, golf courses, and beaches to be closed. I doubt that he locked his kids up in the house at all. Not that I was ever a fan of Gavin Newsome but it took me about two days to decide he deserved to have his decapitated head paraded around on a stick.
Do Tweets really impose a load? They don’t appear to expand to expand out and execute the way they used to, so I operate under the assumption that the unz software simply treats them as a non-executed URL.
Not a single verifiable much less accurate claim in the entire three sentence response. The Corvinus method: what does truth matter when artifice serves your ends better.
I still find it odd that only one article on Unz addresses the riots, and you have to search for that. If the riots are real and show a crack in the foundation of U.S. society, then it is a very newsworthy story that is being ignored. If the whole thing is overblown and nothing is really happening, then it is a big story that a minor incident is made into something that could spin outvof control.
I generally stay away from the MSM, but I have seen some of the headlines. I’m not sure what is happening.
You do have a point, Mr. Sailer.
What I don’t understand is why you aren’t communicating directly with Mr. Unz instead of via your comments here. What gives?
BTW, we welcome any appearance by you here. We miss you, so thanks for giving us a little shot of dopamine with your yellow box.
How do you like those coordinated, organized, anti-American riots in your neighborhood?
Sincerely,
A Real Fan Who Sent You Adoring Shit.
PS: I really do feel sorry, and I regret how the typical outcome of my life “outcomed” with regard to you. You don’t deserve it. I am the lost one. You are the great one. I am sorry.
I hope you read this.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought his bad health was mainly due to the kind of bad habits the mentally ill pursue, overeating, etc. and that the craziness and bad health was a function of some probable genetic condition as opposed to drug use combined with horrible prescription anti-psychotics. His dad seems to have been nuts too.
Psych patient in hospital gown escapes the ambulance and now skateboarding at the Art Institute? Germ Theory accounted for.
I figured it Covid was another bird flu scare, but I wasn’t sure. I never bought the mask or vaccine scams, because I once worked in an environment where OSHA would not certify those masks to stop dust particles far bigger than a virus, and I understood that a vaccine that came out months after the previously unknown virus that it was supposed to inniculate against was probably a fraud and potentially dangerous. I never wore the mask and I didn’t take the jab.
The funny thing is that people in my town mostly didn’t wear the mask, but in the closest nearby city, everyone was masked, and some still are. It’s mostly blacks who continue to mask.
The nearby city has a famous art school that brings in lots of international students, and I noticed that the Chinese students started masking months before Covid was announced here. I’m not sure what that was about. Probably didn’t like being around so many black people.
My daughter had friends essentially locked in their dorm rooms, virtual classes and no one allowed outdoors on campus except at designated times to pick up meals from the chow hall. She lived off campus at the time and the local Chinese restaurant was happy to serve her and her underaged friends fruity cocktails at $18 a pop given the lack of bar traffic. 90-plus% take out at the time.
The average American didn’t have a clue why they were going except something, something, if we don’t Japs will be in California. And they sure as hell didn’t know that the Japs had been rebuffed by FDR in peace overtures. (see Herbert Hoover’s “Freedom Betrayed.” https://www.hoover.org/research/freedom-betrayed-herbert-hoovers-secret-history-second-world-war-and-its-aftermath
Unz is a proponent of the “mestizos are exactly like whites only better” worldview so any evidence to the contrary isn’t going to be highlighted here.
I think he had it all. Complicated lives, the Loves too. Kevin Love’s dad, like his son a pro basketball player, heaved Dennis Wilson through a plate glass window because he screwed his daughter, or something like that.
A snippet from Wiki which leaves out the juicy bits.
Went back and read the news article cited about the Denis Wilson beating at Wiki and seems different than the account in Heroes and Villains I read years back.
I know. He called me all sorts of names for questioning the positive impact of hispanic immigration and the official statistics on hispanic crime, and I think he did the same to you. He still allowed the debate. I assume nothing has changed on that front.
“Psych patient in hospital gown escapes the ambulance and now skateboarding at the Art Institute”
What? It was a sunny day — too nice to be cooped up in an ambulance.
Indeed the first to start knocking is much like the first to stop clapping.
Dude, that’s in Chicago, GTOD is a coastal guy.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/war-brewing-us-prepares-departure-all-nonessential-staff-iraq-kuwait-bahrain-embassies#comment-stream
This sounds about right:
– The IDF have elevated their operational readiness. In response, the United States has mirrored this posture, anticipating potential Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities
I see you are practicing your pilpul. Well done.
Ron likely changed the embed function because of posters who do copy+paste info dumps without the courtesy of putting them under a MORE tag. My advice to you is put the single most important link above a MORE tag and the rest of the info dump below. I appreciate 2A-related news, but hate spam.
And not just learning speech, but learning to read people’s emotions and responses to their childish behavior.
Fascinating. And to think that useful research is still being conducted.
It were the sartorial choice what tipped me off.
Overheard in court:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14535287/massachusetts-lawmaker-exposed-brothel-sting-stunning-move.html
“I thought his bad health was mainly due to the kind of bad habits the mentally ill pursue”
I think that is largely the case. Wilson did make it up to his eighties, though. I am about to become 69 and a lot of people I knew my age are already gone.
Reaching old age requires some genetic factors, like not having a family proclivity for a deadly disease, but also not going overboard on your bad habits. Mick Jagger once said he used drugs but knew when to stop while his band mate Brian Jones used way too many drugs and died young. The other sixties rock stars who died young like Joplin, Morrison and Hendrix also just went way too far on their bad habits while ones like Jagger, McCartney, Dylan and Clapton knew when to stop and are still alive.
He can be found where ever the art is being made.
? Skateboards pretty much coast the same anywhere there’s pavement.
I went to the link at zero hedge and reading the comments man some of those folks are really out there
“I recently worked with someone who has a 6 y/o with some speech problems (though he should be fine in the long run). Part of it, she told me – never heard the term before – is that he is a “Kovid Kid”.
So she is speculating. And you bought it. I thought we can’t trust women in the first place, but here you are taking your word for it.
Meanwhile…
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/public-health/maha-report-chronic-disease-us-kids-includes-fake-citations-other-errors
But the footnotes contain multiple errors. The false citations, first reported yesterday by the news site NOTUS, include non-existent studies on anxiety in adolescents, the impact of direct-to-consumer advertising on the prescribing of ADHD and antidepression medication for children, and overprescribing of oral corticosteroids in children with asthma. Additional reporting by the New York Times and the Washington Post found citations listing the wrong author, published papers with the wrong journal listed, and inaccurate summaries of correctly cited papers.
The Post also found that several citations appear to have been generated by artificial intelligence
“This is not an evidence-based report, and for all practical purposes, it should be junked at this point,” American Public Health Association Executive Director Georges Benjamin, MD, told the Post. “It cannot be used for any policymaking. It cannot even be used for any serious discussion, because you can’t believe what’s in it.”
Jeez, memory is a rickety, plastic thing. This is the family connection to the Dennis Wilson beating. I think.
I think you’re right. when kovid was at its peak lunacy he started deleting my comments and even restricted my original handle to one post per day.
So recently, when he begins an article about Trump taking “unprecedented measures” to stifle free speech on college campuses (read: alien moose limb shit starters on welfare starting shit and getting tossed) I just smile to myself.
Unz should hold Sailer’s next comment in moderation for a day or two.
Here’s the happy couple. Those musicians . . . Jerry Lee, Chuck Berry, looking at ya.
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https://twitter.com/NatlGunRights/status/1932934673744998432
https://twitter.com/2aHistory/status/1932864342682157403
https://twitter.com/JohnRLottJr/status/1932902612464255327
https://twitter.com/NatlGunRights/status/1932916649176527315
Corvi cites favorably to a fellow who says:
Imagine that. For perhaps the first time ever Corvi taking an interest in evidence! Will wonders never cease?
You know what? Fuck Israel. First, I have doubts about them actually attacking Iran, because when have they ever attacked a competent (ie: non Arab) adversary. Second, even if they do, they will throw their rocks and then go run and hide behind their big bully friend: the US Government. And if Trump takes the bait and sends US troops to fight Iran, he is as bad as every neocon/lib president that came before him.
Is there anything to the theory that Zionists helped push the United States into WW1 in exchange for the Balfour Declaration?
Why do you care?
Great stories from behind he I.C., Buzz. About the only, and fairly minor, silver lining East Bloc Communism had was that listening to disco was illegal too!
It turns out that lots of Americans like me listened to Radio Free Europe too:
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This was from REM’s prime. It had an excellent sound, with, dare I say, a melody just as good as the best of ABBA (Waterloo), Only thing was, nobody, even the rest of the band, knew what the heck Micheal Stipe was going on about with his lyrics. It didn’t matter!
To continue along these lines, since you related your wife’s excellent job learning English from ABBA, the very ironic part is that (from what I heard on the radio) the singers of ABBA initially didn’t know any English. Yes, they SANG in English, but that’d be like me being told to memorize the sounds of the Swedish lyrics of a song and just singing the sounds… ‘cept I don’t sing well, and I don’t have legs like Agnetha or Anni-Frid.
Math, OTOH, is its own, universal language.
The biggest problem with Mr. Unz’s research on Hispanic crime was that he went by convictions for crimes. You take Jose, who killed people while driving at 0.35%, or just killed someone on purpose, he’s first of all not so easy to find among a whole area of Joses. Then, any Jose released on bail or that has a warrant out on him can high tail it back to Mexico or Guatemala and come back to do roofing and receive emergency care again next year as Jos-B.
An American is much easier to ID, to find, or to keep from running out of the country.
You know what is a reasonable empirical method to get the rough scale of Hispanic crime? Wanted posters.
The local schools, before they even got any plan together for the kids’ remote lessons (we just home-schooled and had 2-hour recesses with the other kids in the sunshine at the park!), were making sure to hand out 10 meals per week to the “poor” kids in some type of drive-through operation.
Obviously, the Kung Flu could not be transferred via food, and it was not serious enough to justify making people who were staying home for work for months to, like, cook their own food or anything.
You should have seen the line-ups of cars for those free meals, with nary a White face to be seen… thought the tinted windows… that are the marks of a non-White family’s car.
“…First, I have doubts about them actually attacking Iran, because when have they ever attacked a competent (ie: non Arab) adversary. …”
Israel attacked Iran on October 26, 2024. See here :
“On 26 October 2024, Israel launched three waves of strikes against 20 locations in Iran and other locations in Iraq, and Syria, …”
They hadn’t historically because Iran was protected by Hizbullah in Lebanon (taken out by the pager attack) and a screen of Russian air defense missiles in Syria (taken out by Israel after Bashar fled). They did as soon as the main obstacles were removed. Iran’s best stuff is literally unbombable and this is confirmed from Western sources. But Israel can still wreck plenty of other stuff and embarass the regime.
That’s pretty much the point I made at the time. One group is known and identifiable and the other group isn’t.
IIRC La Griffe du Lion used a simple subtraction method to estimate Hispanic crime when it was the only large group unaccounted for in official statistics (probably 25-30 years ago and depending on locale) and guesstimated the following relative rates (White crime rate normalized to 1.0):
NE Asian 0.7-0.75
White 1.0
“Hispanic” 2.5-3
Black! 10
I no longer recall the details, I think it was related to the peculiar (and obviously malicious) quirk that Hispanics were counted separately as VICTIMS in FBI crime stats, but were counted as WHITES in the perp category.
That’s why there was White Flight. And that’s why we spent trillions on a Police State to enforce “diversity”.
By the way, Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh say more pro-White things than anybody on this blog. Times are changing. You are living in Yesteryear.
Speaking of Steve’s shrinking presence, I used to donate rather generously, but I stopped when Steve stopped writing essays and otherwise curating the blog. Was my stopping the moral thing to do? Did other prior donors likewise stop, or did they feel Steve still merits donations, as a kind of royalty? In any case, while I miss those engaging and informative contributions by Steve, I of course fully respect his decision to withdraw.
LOL, Reminds me of the time I visited a friend in an 80% White city: heard nothing but Spanish; wanted posters were as expected.
Noted elide by Unz was the assumption that federal incarceration was the same as state.
And then there’s the whole non-compliance with regulations: auto insurance; business licenses and inspections; immigration law; etc.
Akin to the “race isn’t real” crowd: an exercise in protesting too much.
Suppose you could support him over on substack.
The extra crime is bothersome, but when compared to negroes, well, doesn’t seem so bad. But turning a generation of white tradesman into trailer trash, that pisses me off.
https://revolver.news/2025/04/from-middle-class-to-bottom-feeder-what-the-hell-happened-to-american-construction/
Publicly impaled?
Trouble is if Trump has one great love it seems to be Israel.
A Dreamliner has crashed on takeoff in India, from the video it seems to have lost power immediately after takeoff. Landed on a residential area. Not good for anyone and not good for Boeing.
You aren’t alone!
I think the neighborhoods and schools they create are a testament to who they are. I’ve never seen a previously white neighborhood or school improve with a hispanic majority, and certainly not cities, towns, or states. That’s enough for me, even if their crime weren’t a major issue.
Fisk University, an HBCU in Nashville, started a women’s gymnastics team in 2023, but it will sadly cease operations in 2026:
https://www.espn.com/olympics/gymnastics/story/_/id/45488239/fisk-university-gymnastics-team-stop-competing-26.
Fisk, the alma mater of the late Rep. John Lewis, was “the first historically Black college or university to launch a women’s artistic gymnastics team.” It was also the former home of Morgan Price, “the first HBCU gymnast to record a perfect 10”:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/morgan-price--565553665722666478/
Was this an affirmative action perfect 10? Is “artistic gymnastics” what we think of as gymnastics, like in the Olympics, or some other variant? Given Ms. Price’s, er, body type, I am skeptical.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14535287/massachusetts-lawmaker-exposed-brothel-sting-stunning-move.html
Fascinating. The menu of a high-class Chinese brothel in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Don’t forget his lack of noticing Brandon’s decline. As late as the debate he was directly comparing Trump and Biden’s mental acuity.
That’s gotta sting, missing the obvious and severe decline mentioned by people here and elsewhere. Sure get the jab wrong which probably led to unnecessary deaths but that’s forgivable, there was less evidence and he’s at the age where a boomer starts to feel mortal. But to be declaring or even suggesting Trump and Biden were existing in the same mental universe was pure petulance on his part.
That he should wear with shame every time he says ‘noticing’.
He’s willfully blind quite happy to model away the differences because of his hope to live as an elite in a Latin American society without the effort of actually moving to one like El Fredo.
Insight into a strange world. All you have to do to go ‘condomless’ is pay an upcharge, is that what that code means? I want the onion rings instead of fries with that.
It was major cope. I had family members and close friends who willfully minimized Biden’s obvious mental defects. If you compare Biden stumping for Obama to his time campaigning, or lack thereof, in his run for the presidency, he had clearly become demented.
Agreed. But let’s not stop there. I’ve never seen a teaching hospital improve. Or a military unit. Or a newspaper editorial board. Or a plumbing company. Or the staffing of a veterinary clinic caring for your dog. And on and on. And of course, the diminished level of competence and conscientiousness is often contagious – – many white Americans will simply think why should I bust my tail. I would proofread this, but good enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbeting
Rhythmic gymnastics or artistic gymnastics is like flag football. You aren’t ever going to see one of those women on the Wheaties box. Or maybe you will but it will not be progress.
It would be a great sport for trannies. They don’t have the uneven parallel bars event.
It may be a (multiple) bird hit. At that low altitude it was not recoverable. Sully was a lucky pilot to have Hudson nearby.
The trade war does not seem to be going well based on the China ‘deal’ according to Jim Cramer:
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2025/06/11/jim-cramer-talks-the-pros-and-cons-of-the-tentative-trade-deal-between-the-us-and-china.html
That’s a high-priced menu of services at the Massachusetts high-class brothel. As a S. Californian, I live close to the most dense clustering of AMP’s ( Asian massage parlors) in the U.S. According to a friend, the prices are much cheaper. And, companionable, feminine, smart, pleasant women can be found, although it would take some effort to find a place that hires mainly women of that sensibility.
“Rhythmic gymnastics or artistic gymnastics is like flag football.”
Or like hip-hop “dancing”. Or like negro “poetry”. Or like Black “History”. Or like the “Congressional” Black Caucus. Or like Historically Black “Colleges” and “Universities”. Or like giving a Pulitzer to Lamar Kendrick. Or like making people read the “writings” of Ta-negro Genius.
Think of it: an entire race with an asterisk after every single one of its “achievements”.
People like to point to jazz as evidence of black “genius”. I like to point out that it is based on white tonal theories and white instrumentation, these guys cannot follow a score, they just play the heads and then improvise, and that…
Just three white guys — three! count ’em! three! — W.A. Mozart, Franz Shubert and J.S. Bach, between them, wrote and generated more great music than ALL of jazz combined. An entire century of negro “genius” eclipsed by just three white guys. And I didn’t even count Beethoven. Who as we know was !Black!.
https://archive.ph/ImkOi#selection-1463.0-1463.260
Thanks. To Redfield’s credit he said the same thing in the moment (Summer 2020).
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506640-cdc-director-keeping-schools-closed-poses-greater-health-threat-to-children
And again (Summer 2021).
https://wwsg.com/speaker-news/former-cdc-director-redfield-masking-children-must-be-grounded-in-data-not-cdc-opinion
Even more notable was how large the majority against busing was. But I guess the courts know best. Even if judges get to send their children to private schools and thus avoid the problem.
Gallup poll in 1973.
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/09/09/archives/gallup-finds-few-favor-busing-for-integration.html
1972 poll.
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/03/06/archives/segregation-and-busing-both-opposed-in-poll.html
The spin in this 2019 WaPo article is interesting. Note the “effective” in the headline.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/effective-but-never-popular-court-ordered-busing-is-a-relic-few-would-revive/2019/07/07/dce439c8-9d40-11e9-b27f-ed2942f73d70_story.html
Ron Unz wrote 4,800 words about that idea.
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-balfour-declaration-and-116000-american-lives/
This seems a decent summary of his conclusion.
Also see the AI fact check of that article. It appears to have been a full power run which tends to be better.
Wilson with a true early spinout. Still funny.
https://twitter.com/TheVallyD/status/1932846585282502857
Is there a population of managers and workers in the private school industry who lobby for public school busing?
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don’t know if it was all shtick, but he does not react as if he had ever been on a surf board before.
Desegregating didn’t work out very well.
Anonymous Indian: “There’s a good chance the plane crashed because of something stupid like the ground crew not filling the fuel.”
And it not only crashed but crashed into a medical school cafeteria. Pajeets on the ground taking selfies with dismembered body parts, like ya do.
Pilot, a jeet but well experienced, and apparently signalled mayday immediately after takeoff.
Not a pilot but pretty sure they check the fuel level as opposed to assuming.
Could a kind of “service apartheid” stop this, where highly tested white specialists would be quiet and invisible supervisors, but thirdies would still hold positions and be able to tell people they’re a “pilot” or whatever? “Aryan controllers” but low-key and with no hoopla.
>according to Jim Cramer
Literally the textbook illustration of “always do the opposite of what [they] say.”
Zionists in America had no power to do that at that time, certainly they did not yet have the structure in place now.
“That’s why there was White Flight.”
Old attitudes die hard.
“And that’s why we spent trillions on a Police State to enforce “diversity”.”
We don’t have a police state, f—-face. I don’t expect you to be honest about such matters, given that you maniacally supported slavery and seek the return of Jim Crow. It’s abnormal on your part.
“By the way, Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh say more pro-White things than anybody on this blog.”
It’s a useless slogan. When whites find out that you and your small band strictly demand racial fealty at the expense of personal freedom, they say “no thanks”.
not filling the fuel
The big fire and thick dark smoke suggest there was plenty of fuel. The reason should be clear fairly soon since the accident happened in the first couple of minutes. Unfortunately, quality at Boeing has been variable in the 787 and 737 MAX programs.
This makes Maine less attractive for tourism. I thought this is a problem of big cities.
Curbside trash filled with human waste plagues Penobscot County communities
https://www.bangordailynews.com/2025/06/12/bangor/bangor-health/curbside-trash-human-waste-penobscot-county-maine-joam40zk0w/
I second your admiration for REM. Beautiful melodies and atmospheric vocals. Late 80s early 90s were supposedly their heyday but they still had it through the 90s. I particularly liked their Adventures in HiFi album released in 1996. Melodist Peter Buck went heavier on his guitars in this one.
RAT deployed, so total loss of power, and while still ascending. No Hudson River to glide onto, a built-up area.
The comment stands as it’s not meant to be specific.
It is supported by a named Indian on social media, who claims to be an employee for that airline, who has actually flown on that very plane, and to have experienced similar issues in the past. He aims that this one plane was a known problem for years but the company punted on serious, time-consuming maintenance.
Diverse areas. It’s a sign of diverse areas, rural or urban. In England, besides the rape, a major complaint about diversity is “fly tipping” (dumping trash in nature). Nonwhites don’t have “nature,” they have “inside the house” and “outside the house.”
According to an online acquaintance, Chinese masseuses can be a little more matter-of-fact with their manipulations than is (in any sense) desirable.
Still, there may be a special menu, perhaps with crackers..
“Could a kind of “service apartheid” stop this,”
Why?
It’s important to note that the exploded plane was on its way from India to London.
All India-to-Europe flights should be encouraged to explode.
The other problem is Unz does not reconcile wrongly identified perpetrators in regards to race. A significant % of criminal mestizos are classified as white in police records, obviously swewing the total numbers.
MGB, I know this from being a fan for a while, well past their prime years: The only Beach Boy who surfed was Dennis Wilson and he died by drowning. (I believe there was liquor or drugs involved though.)
Now that there’s funny, I don’t care who ya’ are! (Well, I mean unless your name is Corvinus…)
Thank you for pointing out how jazz originated: a bunch of New Orleans negroes who couldn’t play the big band music correctly.
Funny, he doesn’t look Christian.
Mary Lou Retton, recent DUIer, was on the Wheaties in the 80s. Sexy Simone Biles has been on it twice.
A lot of private school were started in the late 60s – early 70s. A rural southern Virginia county shut down its public schools entirely for a year rather than integrate them. A different time. Nixon gets the credit for forcing integration without alienating half the country from himself and his party, and this was before the federal government doled out much money to local schools.
A Song of Ice and Fire!
“Anonymous Indian: “There’s a good chance the plane crashed because of something stupid like the ground crew not filling the fuel.””
Based on the size of the fireball from the crash, I’m guessing this wasn’t the issue.
‘Armageddon’ has started?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/12/middleeast/israel-iran-strikes-intl-hnk
His point and mine isn’t fuel per se. Thirdies are becoming conscious of and tired of the third world operating like the third world.
Kinda blows the consent argument out of the water. As you have just admitted, it was done against the will of White people.
What’s “GFE?”
DIVERSITY IS STUPIDITY
Remember that earlier Israeli attack on Iran, and how, supposedly, the US government leaked the plans, and there was even speculation that it was actually a deliberate top level move born of frustration with Izzies always doing whatever they wanted?
Turns out the leaker was a CIA guy.
Named Asif Rahman.
So somebody somewhere in the money-burning pit thought it would be a bright idea to allow a Muslim access to the files on secret Israeli plans.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/former-cia-analyst-sentenced-to-37-months-in-prison-for-leaking-israeli-attack-plans/
Oh, but you know what BB is?
https://archive.is/U2s7y
https://www.vice.com/en/article/whats-a-girlfriend-experience-like/
Video Link
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https://twitter.com/TaylorDRhodes2A/status/1933175487993450681
https://twitter.com/hannahhill_sc/status/1933207471176208571
https://twitter.com/pjaicomo/status/1933175245914968094
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1933333047740674115
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1933298228071383173
Meanwhile, here are American fascists at work.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k2W39n6hXn8?si=NbOAW7Esq-OJfbSi
The Daily Mail had an interesting link to The Signal concerning possible PRC ties to anti-ICE festivities.
https://twitter.com/pslnational
“As you have just admitted, it was done against the will of White people.”
As someone who went to a segregated elementary school, it was so nice to be able to walk just a couple blocks to a neighborhood school. Even if Black children had all been well behaved, who would want to spend over an hour every day riding a bus to the other side of town to go to school with them?
If school segregation had just been ended by having children go to the school closest to them, it would not have been popular but would have met less resistance. More generally, if forced segregation had just been replaced by freedom of association, it would have caused less disruptions. It was replacing forced segregation with forced integration that met so much resistance. They ended segregation in a way that would most escalate racial tensions.
“Kinda blows the consent argument out of the water. “
Nope. Whites through their representatives ridded the scourge of Jim Crow.
“As you have just admitted, it was done against the will of White people.”
Didn’t admit it at all, you f—-face. You’re the one who supported black slavery and forced segregation.
The guy was being a dick. What’s the problem? Had he been a non politician they wouldn’t have been so gentle
But some of their stuff definitely swings.
Pollard wore his tiny hat while working for Navy intel. If you listen closely enough you can probably hear the torture screams of the people in the USSR, that he ratted to Israel, just so they could get more Soviet jews released to the holy land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham
Long flowing text doesn’t to justice.
And yet everybody in the money-burning pit seems to think it makes sense to permit someone who claims Israeli citizenship to have access to files on secret Israeli plans.
Pollard probably didn’t have access to names of Soviet citizens who were spying for the US. No, all he divulged to Israel, and which they probably traded to the Soviets, were details pertaining to our submarine-based nuclear deterrent.
You know……….nothing important. Such good friends the Israelis are.
While hiring a Rahman for CIA work is stupid, the ‘intelligence’ value of leaking anything about Israel planning an attack on Iran seems to be zero after Netanyahu started beating drums of war about 10 years back. Just today, Trump ‘leaked’ the war a few hours before it actually started and nobody was surprised by it.
FOX News tonight is airing the full range of opinion on the latest events, from the obsequiously pro-Israel to the slavishly pro-Israel.
“Nope. Whites through their representatives ridded the scourge of Jim Crow.”
I believe school bussing was mostly imposed by federal judges.
Trump is apparently floating the idea of offering amnesty to illegals working in agriculture, restaurants, hotels… What a pos and a fraud. I’m not at all surprised if this is true. The whole ICE event was political drama between Trump and Newsome. Nothing will be done to reverse demographic change.
If this is true, it’s Reagan all over again, and the children and grandchildren of this next wave of amnestied illegals, if not the illegals themselves, will be out rioting and advocating for the end of whatever may be left of the U.S. in 40 years, if not much sooner.
May Jews and their whores meet the destruction that they deserve.
He .. what? He sold China the Aegis missile cruiser we were going to build specifically to counter China in the Pacific. I think the Soviet Jew thing was a different decade, or two. By the way, the Pacific is now China’s except for subs.
Sniveling cowards reflexively bow before what they think is power. This is the biggest factor holding the empire together.
Politics is different now:
Conservative Josh Hawley introduces bill to raise federal minimum wage to $15 an hour
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservative-josh-hawley-introduces-bill-to-raise-federal-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/ar-AA1GBm8f
You are to normies as Ted Bundy was to normies; an alien in their presence.
Tell us about the days you spent living as a White (?) man in the inner City among poor Blacks? About your days attending Middle School or High School at majority Black schools don’t simple declare yourself the spokesperson for the ‘normies’ who never lived among Blacks in close proximity but are full of conviction nevertheless. Tell us about your life in the trenches as either a Black man who refused to flee his own people in the ghetto or as a White person who missed the opportunity of putting himself in close contact with inner city Blacks but is mad at those fellow Whites who were in close contact and fled. C’mon Mr. Spokesman for “normies”, share some first hand accounts of you and the ghetto brothers. Tell us about the time you had a difficult math assignment at school and sought out one of the brothers for assistance bypassing the nerdy White or Asian kids. Give us your bona fides.
Not mostly. Entirely to the extent that all school districts imposing busing did so in reaction to a lawsuit or out of concern for one.
Obvious solution to immigration problem…
Once the Israelis have finished snookering the US into doing all the wet work and dirty work for them in their latest Jew war with Iran, plus paying for it all, simply announce that illegals will be the first to be drafted, men and women alike (no need for an actual formal “draft,” they will simply be rounded up and shipped overseas), followed by DREAMers, anchor babies, legal arrivals and their children, and student and H1-B visa holders. And then Jews themselves. And that the Pentagon is adopting a new “human wave” combat strategy, of running directly into Iranian bullets. Oye, you wanted to be an American, ese, now is your chance!
Immigrants all gone in a month or two; then we conclude an unexpected sudden peace deal with Iran, then Israel gets simultaneously nuked by every extant nuclear power, all at once.
“Such good friends the Israelis are.”
Well, they did buy Congress and let us use it when they aren’t using it.
You’re wasting your time. “Corvinus” will never give you a straight answer. He is not acting in good faith. He never has. He is a dishonest sack of crap. Whatever he does believe is strictly the result of media brainwashing. He’s a moron.
“slavishy pro-Israel”
When I took a job doing accounting work for the military, I took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That should be the goal of American foreign policy. Becoming involved in these foreign ethnic or religious feuds does not further that goal whether these quarrels involve Israelis vs. Palestinians, Ukrainians vs. Russians, Taiwanese vs. Chinese and so on.
A pro-American foreign policy would involve spending about a hundred billion dollars yearly on a nuclear umbrella to defend the country from a nuclear attack. Knowing they would face a massive nuclear retaliation, it would discourage any such attacks by other countries. The other nine hundred billion dollars we spend yearly on the military could be cut in half since any attempt at a foreign invasion crossing two oceans or coming down through Canada would fail so anyone would be unlikely to attempt it. The political and media focus would then switch to domestic issues.
The Saga of John Drake: The TV Theme Music, and Classic Song to a British Patrick McGoohan TV Series, and the Inspiration for a Second Series (music videos, background essay)
https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2025/06/the-saga-of-john-drake-tv-theme-music.html
The Sabras are just fronting for us, like they did forty or so years ago, in Iraq.
Oh, I know that. He may be paid to troll for all we know. But swatting down trolls is good practice for engaging erroneous thinking generally so even Corvy can serve a useful purpose.
“Israel wages war on iran, but are the Sabras just fronting for ‘the King of the Jews’?! Continuing coverage and updates”
https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2025/06/israeli-attack.html
There are some whites like this, too the sort of people whose car interiors are immaculate because they dump their rubbish in laybys.
I agree. We could have a much smaller, much cheaper military and still defend our country and its genuine interests. That wouldn’t preclude having naval bases to serve and ocean-going navy either. We could simply buy some islands to serve as bases – buy them outright – so we wouldn’t have to worry about the local political situation in foreign ports.
The military we have exists to maintain an overseas empire – an empire that is not maintained for the benefit of the American people.
Oddly enough, Corv doesn’t bother me because his anti-White hatred is so obvious and pure. All you have to do is point to him and everyone sees it. It’s the sneaky ones that claim they aren’t anti-White, they are just “principled” or libertarians, race-blind CivNats or some form of suicidal Christianity.
Like in politics, I don’t hate the Leftist who openly says he hates us. It’s the duplicitous, mealy-mouthed, virtue signaling Republican I hate. The person who let’s you think he is on your side but then stabs you in the back is the real problem.
We need to think about who has the right to even talk to us about our moral duties. Not everyone has that right.
What is it?
It wasn’t a public forum. Every political jurisdiction, city, state, etc. follows the same policy about evicting those disrupting meetings or media ops during non-public forum periods. If he has a complaint he needs to make it at a public forum.
Trying to shut down or interrupt the speech of others as he attempted to do IS both fascist AND Bolshevist behavior. But you’re all in favor of Bolshevist behavior when it serves your personal interest, aren’t you?
Whites fled to private schools or moved away where they could and continued to avoid a hostile and overly violent community of people who threatened the well being of their children and the quality of the education their children received. Because busing was having no positive effect on the education of Black children it was ended in most places by the ‘80s if not the ‘90s. The segregation of Whites and Blacks, a Northern pre-Civil War innovation through Black Codes, continues to this day through voluntary clustering by race. Calling it Jim Crow operates to hide the North’s role as its innovator.
As usual, your claims have no basis in reality.
While what you wrote is a bit extreme to transition to suddenly, Trump is strategizing on a similar line of thinking. He views the world as a Tripolar universe with three hegemons: U.S., Russia and China. That explains what many criticize as his obsequious behavior toward Putin and Xi.
Trump’s Vision: One World, Three Powers?
President Trump’s recent actions and statements suggest he might want an arrangement where the United States, China and Russia each dominate their sphere of influence.
For President Trump, anytime is a good time for deal-making, but never more so than now with the leaders of China and Russia.
Last week, Mr. Trump said he wanted to normalize commerce with Russia, appearing to lessen the pressure on Moscow to settle its war with Ukraine. And he is trying to limit the fallout from his own global trade war by urging China’s leader to call him.
“We all want to make deals,” Mr. Trump said in a recent interview with Time magazine. “But I am this giant store. It’s a giant, beautiful store, and everybody wants to go shopping there.”
Mr. Trump may have something even bigger in mind involving Russia and China, and it would be the ultimate deal.
His actions and statements suggest he might be envisioning a world in which each of the three so-called great powers — the United States, China and Russia — dominates its part of the globe, some foreign policy analysts say.
It would be a throwback to a 19th-century style of imperial rule.
Mr. Trump has said he wants to take Greenland from Denmark, annex Canada and re-establish American control of the Panama Canal. Those bids to extend U.S. dominance in the Western Hemisphere are the clearest signs yet of his desire to create a sphere of influence in the nation’s backyard.
He has criticized allies and talked about withdrawing U.S. troops from around the globe. That could benefit Russia and China, which seek to diminish the American security presence in Europe and Asia. Mr. Trump often praises President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and Xi Jinping, China’s leader, as strong and smart men who are his close friends.
To that end, Mr. Trump has been trying to formalize Russian control of some Ukrainian territory — and American access to Ukraine’s minerals — as part of a potential peace deal that critics say would effectively carve up Ukraine, similar to what great powers did in the age of empires. Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin spoke about Ukraine in a two-hour phone call last week.
“The tone and spirit of the conversation were excellent,” Mr. Trump wrote on social media.
Monica Duffy Toft, a professor of international politics at Tufts University’s Fletcher School, said that the leaders of the United States, Russia and China are all striving for “an imaginary past that was freer and more glorious.”
“Commanding and extending spheres of influence appears to restore a fading sense of grandeur,” she wrote in a new essay in Foreign Affairs magazine. The term “spheres of influence” originated at the Berlin Conference of 1884-5, in which European powers adopted a formal plan to carve up Africa.
Some close observers of Mr. Trump, including officials from his first administration, caution against thinking his actions and statements are strategic. While Mr. Trump might have strong, long-held attitudes about a handful of issues, notably immigration and trade, he does not have a vision of a world order, they argue.
Yet there are signs that Mr. Trump and perhaps some of his aides are thinking in the manner that emperors once did when they conceived of spheres of influence.
“The best evidence is Trump’s desire to expand America’s overt sphere of influence in the Western Hemisphere,” said Stephen Wertheim, a historian of U.S. foreign policy at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
But setting up a sphere of influence in the post-imperial age is not easy, even for a superpower.
Last month, Canadians elected an anti-Trump prime minister, Mark Carney, whose Liberal Party appeared destined to lose the election until Mr. Trump talked aggressively about Canada. Leaders of Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark, have rejected the idea of U.S. control. Chinese officials are threatening to stop a Hong Kong company from selling its business running two ports in the Panama Canal to American investors.
“China will not give up its stakes in the Western Hemisphere so easily without a fight,” said Yun Sun, a China analyst at the Stimson Center in Washington.
Even so, Mr. Trump and his aides persist in trying to exert greater American influence from the Arctic Circle to South America’s Patagonia region. When Mr. Carney told Mr. Trump this month in the Oval Office that Canada was “not for sale,” Mr. Trump replied: “Never say never.”
In March, Vice President JD Vance visited a U.S. military base in Greenland to reiterate Mr. Trump’s desire to take the territory.
And it is no coincidence that Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s two most substantial trips since taking office have been to Latin America and the Caribbean.
In El Salvador, Mr. Rubio negotiated with Nayib Bukele, the strongman leader, to have the nation imprison immigrants deported by the U.S. government, setting up what is effectively an American penal colony. Mr. Rubio also pressed Panama on its ports.
As a senator representing Florida, Mr. Rubio said at a hearing in July 2022 that focusing more closely on the Western Hemisphere was “critical to our national security and our national economic interests.”
“Geography matters,” he said, because “proximity matters.”
On a late March visit to Suriname, Mr. Rubio was asked by a reporter whether administration officials had discussed setting up spheres of influence, which would entail negotiating limits on each superpower’s footprint, including in Asia.
Mr. Rubio, who has more conventional foreign policy views than Mr. Trump, asserted that the United States would maintain its military alliances in Asia. Those alliances allow it to base troops across the region.
“We don’t talk about spheres of influence,” he said. “The United States is an Indo-Pacific nation. We have relationships with Japan, South Korea, the Philippines. We’re going to continue those relationships.”
Some analysts say Mr. Trump’s approach to the war in Ukraine is consistent with the concept of spheres of influence. The United States is talking to another large power — Russia — about how to define the borders of a smaller country and is itself trying to control natural resources.
Mr. Trump has proposed terms of a settlement that would mostly benefit Russia, including U.S. recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea and acknowledgment of Russian occupation of large swaths of eastern Ukraine. This past week, Mr. Trump even seemed to back off his demand that Russia agree to an immediate cease-fire with Ukraine. Earlier, he got Ukraine to sign an agreement to give American companies access to the country’s minerals.
Supporters of Mr. Trump’s settlement proposal say it reflects the reality on the ground, as Ukraine struggles to oust the Russian occupiers.
But Mr. Trump’s praise of Mr. Putin and of Russia, and his persistent skepticism of America’s role in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, has inflamed anxieties among European nations over a potentially waning U.S. presence in their geographic sphere.
The same is true of Taiwan and Asian security. Mr. Trump has voiced enough criticism of the island over the years, and showered enough accolades on Mr. Xi, China’s leader, that Taiwanese and U.S. officials wonder whether he would waver on U.S. arms support for Taiwan, which is mandated by a congressional act.
Mr. Trump says he wants to reach a deal with China. Whether that would go beyond tariffs to address issues such as Taiwan and the U.S. military presence in Asia is an open question.
“Beijing would love to have a grand bargain with the U.S. on spheres of influence,” Ms. Sun said, and “its first and foremost focus will be on Taiwan.”
Trump administration officials have not detailed how far the United States would go to defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion. At his confirmation hearing, Elbridge A. Colby, the under secretary of defense for policy, was asked by Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, why Mr. Colby’s stance on defending Taiwan appeared to have “softened” recently.
Mr. Colby said Taiwan was “not an existential interest” for the United States, and affirmed a vague commitment to Asia: “It’s very important the core American interest is in denying China regional hegemony.”
Edward Wong reports on global affairs, U.S. foreign policy and the State Department for The Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/26/us/politics/trump-russia-china.html
You mean judges ensured that the law was being complied with, as passed by legislatures.
“Oddly enough, Corv doesn’t bother me because his anti-White hatred is so obvious and pure.”
It’s irrational on your part that any white who refuses to adhere to your strict racial litmus test is “anti-white”.
“We need to think about who has the right to even talk to us about our moral duties. Not everyone has that right.”
Your “moral duty” is supporting the return of Jim Crow, which is the antithesis of morality. White Christian normies want no part of it. So spare us the virtue signaling and sanctimony.
My thoughts on the Israel Iran war. Much as I despise Israel and the Jews, this was a well planned out attack to take out military sites and leadership by using agents inside Iran to take out air defense sites and missile sites so Israel can bomb at will. Makes me think maybe Israel had something to do with the attacks on Russian planes to limit Russian ability to support Iran. Expect false flag ops on US assets in the region by mossad to drag US into the war. If one considers the unchecked number of foreigners let into the US in the last 4 years and whatever else got smuggled in we might get a taste of asymmetrical warfare.
Thanks, I agree. Russia, China and the United States all have a shared interest, according to John Derbyshire. All three would want to stem the flow of low IQ and high fertility immigrants coming from the south and could focus on working together on this if they accept the idea of “spheres of influence” so they are not fighting with each other instead.
Great news in a sea of sorrow from the Graun:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/13/study-manosphere-ofcom
Mind, it was another lot of tax-funded “researchers” who said it was bad before.
And nutty yahoo is saying the same old shit “self defense, holohoax, Iran was just weeks away from having the bomb.” How is attacking a sovereign country self defense.
“Whites fled to private schools or moved away where they could and continued to avoid a hostile and overly violent community of people who threatened the well being of their children and the quality of the education their children received.”
It was a changing society in the late 60s and the 1970s. Naturally there would be a reaction by whites to the disruption of the status quo. But the civil rights movement represented the will of the people, whether it be blacks, Native Americans, women, and Hispanics. And that was scary for some white people.
“The segregation of Whites and Blacks, a Northern pre-Civil War innovation through Black Codes”
No, that “innovation” was the direct result of southern slavery. The Black Codes had their roots in the “slave codes” that had formerly been in effect in Southern states in the 1600 and 1700s. Perhaps the most odious of them was the prohibition of whites teaching slaves how to read and write. The premise behind chattel slavery was that enslaved people were property. They had no legal rights. The slave codes were viewed as effective tools against rebellion and other efforts by enslaved people to gain freedom.
Indeed, northern states in the post-Revolutionary era passed their own versions of Black Codes by way of “exclusion ordinances”. In general, these rules were invoked against “troublesome” blacks or implemented against entire free black communities when white citizens saw the increase in its population as being an “unacceptable level”. These laws reminded free northern blacks of their tenuous legal and social standing, and they offered white authorities and northern mobs a cloak for vigilante justice. This is the product of the times.
Now, after the Civil Wa4 in which the South was defeated and the institution of slavery was vanquished (which you still sickly defend!)…
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/black-codes
—The most infamous of these black codes were from Mississippi and South Carolina, although nearly every Southern state enacted some sort of black code. Mississippi propagated slavery in a different form by forcing blacks to have written evidence of employment at the start of each year. If they failed to do so, they could forfeit their wages or be arrested. South Carolina’s black code prohibited blacks from having an occupation outside of agriculture or domestic work unless they paid an annual tax, which hit urban blacks especially hard. Punishments in both these states also included “hiring out” the perpetrator to do free labor.
Northerners were enraged by what they saw as Southerners completely ignoring the results of the war. As a result, Congress passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866, a bill that had been introduced in 1865 but was vetoed by Johnson. He vetoed it again in 1866, but this time, both chambers overrode the veto – the first time Congress ever overrode the president’s veto of major legislation. The act was intended to protect the civil rights of blacks, which were being trampled upon by Southern state governments. But some in Congress believed that Congress didn’t have the power to enact the legislation. Thus, it wasn’t until 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was passed that the Civil Rights Act became law.—
“As usual, your claims have no basis in reality”
I get it. You are very emotional about this topic. So confirmation bias gets the best of you.
It’s the typically dishonest narrative of the Izzies. I think the PR term they came up with to support their rationale to just bomb shit when they want to , is the ‘preemptive counterattack’.
“Expect false flag ops on US assets in the region by mossad to drag US into the war. ”
They might not even be necessary, except as PR. Dragging us into the war looks like a done deal. They didn’t have to drag very hard.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/president-trump-comments-israeli-attack-iran-will-hold/
How is attacking a sovereign country self defense.
Are we the right country to ask that question?
“How is attacking a sovereign country self defense.”
It’s not.
https://bsky.app/profile/mehdirhasan.bsky.social/post/3lrhjpnzny22d
“Expect false flag ops on US assets in the region by mossad to drag US into the war.”
YES, that is what exactly Trump wants. Thank you for tacitly admitting that Israel controls his actions as President.
AIR INDIA FLIGGT 171 WAS POETIC JUSTICE
https://prospect.org/economy/2025-06-12-dreamliner-gave-boeing-manager-nightmares-just-crashed-air-india/
The 787 Dreamliner has been plagued by engine problems partially caused by the abundance of so-called “foreign object debris” Boeing assembly line workers chronically leave on aircraft components in their haste to move to the next task.
Perhaps most harrowing, however, was the footage filmed by an assembly line worker who wore a hidden camera as went about his day chatting up colleagues, virtually all of whom said they would never allow their family members to fly one of the planes the factory was producing.
“I raised my hand and said, ‘No one who works in this factory wants to fly these planes, I mean, that’s just the truth,’” Kitchens said. A woman she didn’t know, who was wearing a bomber jacket emblazoned with the FAA logo, shot her a scowl. But it was hardly the first time she’d expressed anxiety over the planes’ safety with upper management. Years earlier, she had asked a boss if he would let his children fly on a plane with the litany of flaws and non-conformances he was urging her to “pencil-whip”: “Cindy, none of these planes are staying in America, they’re all going overseas,” he retorted, much to her horror.
SORRY ABOUT YOUR KIDS BUT MONEY WAS SAVED AND THE STOCK PRICE WENT UP
Back your endless exercise of fantasies and lies. I’ll address one now and others later depending on energy.
The old background mystery force that just happens to reflect the opinions of elite Whites living far removed from the problem and a body of now discredited or heavily constrained judge made law. Busing is gone now because everything you are saying is wrong.
The people represent the will of the people not a movement composed of selective and temporary opinions of elite northerners. Anyway, were busing mandates still good law they would be enforced. The decisions that polluted the US for a brief period were not a good reflection of the law which is why busing subsided.
“It wasn’t a public forum.”
JFC, you are a spreader of disinformation.
A news conference is considered a public forum, especially when it provides a platform for the public to hear directly from officials and ask questions in a public setting.
Had the official been a Democrat, and the Senator been a Republican, you would have had a conniption fit.
“Trying to shut down or interrupt the speech of others as he attempted to do IS both fascist AND Bolshevist behavior.”
Then we both agree here. Thanks!
https://apnews.com/article/trump-free-speech-first-amendment-columbia-student-3d4c835a673a24b793b2b045405231e6
“Back your endless exercise of fantasies and lies”
Says who?
“the opinions of elite Whites living far removed from the problem”
It was the opinion of whites.
“and a body of now discredited or heavily constrained judge made law.”
It was legislation that judges issued rulings on cases brought forward to ensure the law was complied with.
“The people represent the will of the people not a movement composed of selective and temporary opinions of elite northerners.”
In your opinion.
“Anyway, were busing mandates still good law they would be enforced.”
Of course, the issue is more complex and nuanced than you care to admit.
https://daily.jstor.org/does-busing-work-to-integrate-schools/
Bareback. No condom. The only way to fuck.
Last year I rented the entire series of The Prisoner — McGoohan’s surrealist sequel of sorts to his John Drake secret agent. The first few episodes were quite compelling. The Village represented a third power in the East v. West conflict which managed the Cold War for the corporatists and financialists that are now referred to as globalists. The Rover, the incredibly sinister bouncy white balloon that served as security for the Village was inspired. Too bad the mercurial McGoohan allowed the series to degenerate into a theatre of the absurd. I suppose he was making a critique of the Cold War which was ultimately an absurd waste of resource, life, and talent. He wasn’t able to pull it off.
Protestant white Christian normies were washing black feet during George Floyd’s Summer of Bended Knee Whitey. In the name of the Rabbi Jesus.
This shows Trump’s (or his advisors) idiocy. In the modern world, perhaps 30-40 countries can become nuclear powers & thus paralyze any “superpower”, because no global power would want to be in a situation to get nuked.
So, the whole idea leads to global instability. But, heck….. trilobites lasted much more & they are no more.
Mississippi sheriff ‘highly against’ ‘Fuck Yo Baby Daddy Shake Dat Ass Fest’ set for Saturday
CLAIBORNE COUNTY, Miss. (WLBT) – A party slated for Saturday in Port Gibson is drawing the ire of the Claiborne County sheriff.
On Thursday, Sheriff Edward Goods said in a post on social media that he was “highly against” the “Fuck Yo Baby Daddy Shake Dat Ass Fest,” which is scheduled for 9 p.m. on June 14.
“We have serious concerns about the timing and potential risks associated with this gathering,” he wrote. “This comes in the light of the recent tragedy in Jefferson County, where a life was lost, and tensions remain high in surrounding communities.”
According to authorities, one person was killed, and six others were shot at the Fayette Festival on May 31.
“While in the past, our department has always patrolled such events to help ensure things ran smoothly, we are now asking the promoters and party planners to be sensitive to the overall concerns of the community,” he wrote. “We will be adjusting our safety efforts accordingly.”
WLBT has reached out to an event promoter. He declined to comment. A copy of the flyer found on the sheriff’s Facebook page says security will be “strictly enforced.”
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Both have something in common: both are enemies of whites.
Scuttlebutt has it that Trump, Putin, and Xi are maneuvering the world back into spheres of influence as seen during the Cold War. In this scenario, nation states will strengthen and globalist power sources — institutes, transnational corporations, asset management firms, ect., will weaken. Globalism which is amorphous and interconnected at the same time has been a destabilizing force since the end of the Cold War.
Great use of this fallacy, Curle—Reductio ad absurdum: This term is often used to describe the process of taking an argument to its extreme
I think “whoever smelled it, dealt it” originated behind the Iron Curtain as well.
Responding to my reference to Northern Black Codes upon which segregation was later copied in southern states you contend that constraints on education of slaves in the South constitute its origin which is facetious on its face. Blacks and Whites were not segregated in the South. Slaves were segregated by status not location. Educational constraints had nothing to do with the Northern innovation of segregation. Below is your little fable as you present it. Be comforted knowing that nobody will ever accuse you of honesty, Corvi.
Even Trump who supports Jews openly? Isn’t he their go-to bitch?
You’re one of their biggest secret fans, Strom Thurmond. I get it, that picture of your ex-wife you showed me earlier led you to go all black. Just make sure your family and friends don’t find out.
“You mean judges ensured that the law was being complied with, as passed by legislatures.”
No I mean federal judges invented and imposed forced bussing as the sole acceptable remedy to some supposed constitutional violation.
Do you think forced bussing was a good policy?
Nukes are not everything. North Korea has them, but North Koreans have to eat grass sometimes. Pakistan has them, but they have to prostrate in front of their Arab masters and IMF to get (loans to get) their daily bread. In Europe, Russia has proven itself the dominant power. It will be complete when Russia annexes the entirety of Ukraine (indirectly obsoleting NATO). Same with China and Taiwan. Trump is managing U.S. decline to the best of his ability.
“Not mostly. Entirely to the extent that all school districts imposing busing did so in reaction to a lawsuit or out of concern for one.”
Are you sure? I suspect some nutty elected school boards in some places like San Francisco may have supported bussing independent of federal pressure. Although they may have claimed they were concerned about lawsuits.
“… It will be complete when Russia annexes the entirety of Ukraine …”
When do you expect that to happen? I think the odds are against it any time soon (say within 10 years).
As a loicensed, professional braider, I’ll have you know I’m booked out fer three weeks solid after da Fuck Yo Baby Daddy Shake Dat Ass Fest for da people expecting to get dey weaves ripped out during da fights at da Fuck Yo Baby Daddy Shake Dat Ass Fest.
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We kids who came of age in the 70s started this off, but generally didn’t pay the price. I think I’ve used condoms maybe two or three times in my life, but then we were only just moving into a permissive age. Now there’s a lot more unpleasant stuff around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus_infection
That’s even before you factor in the old favourites of clap and syphilis, not to mention mononucleosis.
These days girls and homosexuals in the UK are routinely vaccinated against I think 4 types of HPV.
Roll the dice, you three blind mice !
I thinks it’s adorable. It’s like a pro-diversity PSA for children.
So in somewhat relatable news, last week the Texas Longhorns women’s softball team won the Women’s College World Series (WCWS), defeating first time WCWS participants Texas Tech.
Texas Tech, led by 1st year coach Gerry Glascoe, basically assembled a team of mercenaries, with something like 7 of the regular starting players being out of the transfer portal, the most famous being one NiJaree Canady, a pitcher and transfer from Stanford.
Here is a photo of said beauty:
Now, she has already signed two separate 1 million dollar NIL (name, likeness, description) deals with TT, and was basically crowned high queen of softball before the season began. The propaganda machine was in full swing all season, with announcers shamelessly gushing over her every move, and officials clearly had orders from on high to pave the way for this woman and her supporting cast all the way. I personally watched most of the games of the WS bracket, and no team received more favorable calls than TT. The bracket seeding for the WCWS was extremely beneficial to TT, pitting the top 4 teams overall in the upper bracket pool against each other, while placing TT in the lower bracket pool with the bottom 3 teams, forcing the top 4 to eliminate each other making TT’s path to the final much easier.
She was a solid pitcher with great stuff, but the problem is she was all they had. She had pitched every pitch for TT in the WCWS, but by game 3 against Texas, their awesome lineup of hitters (including the best player in softball this year Mia Scott, who hit a grand slam in game 3) clubbed her like a baby seal, giving up 5 runs including a 3 run homer to badass Leanne Goode in the 1st before getting the hook. Texas won 10-4 and it wasn’t even that close.
Texas also had a pitcher named Teagan Kevon (who played HS basketball with Kaitlyn Clark) who until the 6th or 7th inning of the final Game 3, had posted an ERA of ZERO throughout the entire WCWS. But alas, she is white and was obviously not worth of any hype considering she was arguably the best pitch in D1 softball this past season and objectively the best pitcher in the WCWS.
And now, despite not actually winning the national championship, TT is proposing the erecting of a statue in Canaday’s honor.
https://www.indiansports24.com/honoring-record-breaking-season-texas-tech-reportedly-planning-statue-softball-phenom-nijaree-canady/
You can stay “In The Village” these days. We went on a day trip and were suitably envious of those lounging in the pool.
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The moment Western arms supply runs out (and money too), it should be over in a couple of years. It is not necessary for every inch of land to be overrun by Russian troops. Once Ukraine feels they have no chance, they will get a new government that will agree to ‘soft border’ à la USSR days. Think ‘Republic’ of Belarus and Russia. Closer to home, Puerto Rico and U.S.A.
Being an Aggie basically I say who gives a hoot but even UT was supposed to be our arch rival back in the day, tech students and alumni were the worst. Lubbock has Marsha sharpe freeway named after you guessed it a sheboon bb player.
Loath as I am to reply to you, my comment was just that, a comment not tacit approval of anything. I have never claimed Trump wasn’t owned by the Jews, I mean duh that’s common knowledge but then you have to put your projection in. Leave me out of your lunacy.
“Responding to my reference to Northern Black Codes upon which segregation was later copied in southern states”
You mean southern colonial black codes were first established, then later copied by northern states after the Revolutionary War. You don’t get to change historical fact whenever it suits your fancy.
“you contend that constraints on education of slaves in the South constitute its origin which is facetious on its face.”
To the contrary, between 1740 and 1834, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North and South Carolina, and Virginia all passed anti-literacy laws. South Carolina passed the first law which prohibited teaching slaves to read and write, punishable by a fine of 100 pounds and six months in prison, via an amendment to its 1740 Negro Act.
So, not only do you defend the enslavement of blacks during this time period, you also defend that they not be given an opportunity to learn. It’s beyond the pale.
“Blacks and Whites were not segregated in the South.”
Patently false.
https://oxfordre.com/americanhistory/americanhistory/abstract/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-329?p=emailActLChJcPlkv6&d=/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-329
“Slaves were segregated by status not location.”
You mean slaves were designated by their status through law and custom in each location as being held in perpetual bondage by their masters.
“Educational constraints had nothing to do with the Northern innovation of segregation.”
Never said that.
I said that southern colonial slave laws prohibited whites from teaching slaves to read and write. This is heinous. I get why—the Christian propaganda that white plantation owners employed at Sunday mass about God’s wrath if they did not fulfill their work duties would have been exposed.
“Below is your little fable as you present it. Be comforted knowing that nobody will ever accuse you of honesty, Corvi.”
Every accusation is a confession. Damn, you fit this maxim to a T.
Wishful thinking.
My son and I watched a lot of the games too. I was rooting for Tennessee or Texas, both with great pitchers and lineups. I was most upset with the coverage when ESPN got rid of the ass cam, purportedly a behind the pitcher view to capture the release and spin on the ball, inexplicably settling in on the pitcher’s ass for the first seconds of the camera angle. Someone must have complained.
You can’t assume slow territorial gain means that’ll go on indefinitely. Five months before the end of WWI the Germans were only 60 miles from Paris, and when Germany surrendered, their borders were still intact. They’d killed two Allied soldiers for every German soldier. But they surrendered when they realised they were running out of everything.
LOL. If Ukraine demonstrates its dominance, I’d sure hate to see what is required to demonstrate non-dominance.
Huh? You’ll have to explain that bit of pretzel logic. Putin’s folly has *invigorated* NATO. It was an obsolescent Cold War relic drifting toward retirement–a bunch of bureaucrats trying to keep on doing what they were doing, milking the cow, until their pension kicked in. But the Putin’s tired old Russian imperialism has given it a new mission. And–*obviously*–that mission would only become more relevant, more secure if Putin gradually finished pulverizing Ukraine and seizes the whole joint. Russia “over there somewhere” is no biggie. But when the Russian assholes are on your border all that collective security stuff seems pretty critical.
Sure. But they matter a lot. Without nukes Russia–having demonstrated its military mediocrity in Ukraine–would be in a pickle. Without nukes there might have been direct Western intervention and an outright humiliating Russian defeat. Without nukes China might well have decided the time was ripe to expand the empire. These concerns are why Putin and his goons yell “nukes” every three seconds.
This real message of this revival of 19th century style Russian imperialism is pretty simple: “get nukes”. Ukraine didn’t have nukes and so was subject to Putin’s imperialist thuggery.
Seeing the emerging picture of the post post-War American world order a lot of other nations–Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Australia, Vietnam, Poland, Germany, the Baltics, Finland, Romania, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia … Canada … have people thinking “boy I’d sure feel a lot better if we had some nukes”.
I got to see A&M play at U Tenn in May. They were number one in the nation at the time but got bounced in the super regionals by an unranked team, Liberty IIRC. They had a stud lefty pitcher Emily Kennedy and two excellent hitters in the 3 and 4 spot.
Best possible outcome really; and could have been achieved *without* any f#cking war.
Actually that’s not really true; it’s technically true in theory, but in reality the (((people))) who *really* wanted a war were going to figure out a way to get one, no matter what. Like they always (((do))).
“The moment Western arms supply runs out (and money too), it should be over in a couple of years. …”
The current level of Western support can continue indefinitely. This is the type of conflict that can go on for a long time because both sides care more about not losing than about winning.
“… It is not necessary for every inch of land to be overrun by Russian troops. Once Ukraine feels they have no chance, they will get a new government that will agree to ‘soft border’ à la USSR days. Think ‘Republic’ of Belarus and Russia. …”
Belarus has not been annexed by Russia.
“You can’t assume slow territorial gain means that’ll go on indefinitely …”
Sure Ukraine could collapse tomorrow. So could Russia for that matter. But I don’t think it is the way to bet.
“No I mean federal judges invented and imposed forced bussing as the sole acceptable remedy to some supposed constitutional violation”
Then you are outright lying here. Laws were passed. Policies were put into motion. They weee not being adhered to. Citizens sued in court to ensure those laws and policies were followed. Rent met, racial segregation in public schools violated the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.
“Do you think forced bussing was a good policy?”
Great intentions, poor execution, resistance by Reagan and conservatives in the 1980s murdered it.
Belarus has not been annexed by Russia.
True, but in the Cold War days, Poland etc., were ‘Sovereign’ but not Sovereign. In the ancient days there was a word for it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty
During the Cold War days, it was informally described as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization
Pretty wild that Trump faked negotiations to facilitate this sneak attack
Clever ruse
Wonder if Russia wonders if he recently did the same to them before the drone attacks
Wonder if China will remember this with Taiwan
I’m confident that federal court decisions were exaggerated to give such entities the cover they wanted to institute busing but most people are unaware that Blacks as a group were not necessarily overjoyed by this development. There has always been a faction of Black Americans who like separation as much as Whites do (Nation of Islam is the most open). It shows in their revealed preferences but like White Americans they are conditioned to say that they’d like to live among any group when reality is very different. The fiction the Corvi style fantasists have is that Blacks are dying to live among Whites. Not true.
“Great intentions, poor execution, resistance by Reagan and conservatives in the 1980s murdered it.”
How was the execution poor? And blaming Reagan for its demise is rewriting history. See this NYT article about your candidate, Joe Biden:
“With a school desegregation lawsuit roiling Delaware in the 1970s, Mr. Biden led an effort in the Senate to end court-ordered busing.”
…
“With his 1978 re-election campaign looming, and polls showing busing was deeply unpopular, Mr. Biden waged an all-out assault, backing a series of bills aimed at limiting the power of federal judges to issue busing orders. One measure would have stripped federal courts of their jurisdiction over desegregation entirely — an approach that would have pushed school desegregation cases into the hands of state judges, who were highly unlikely to issue busing orders.”
…
“After the death of his wife and infant daughter, and as he was in the thick of fighting busing in Delaware, Mr. Biden enrolled his sons in a private school where his sister was a teacher. In his 2007 memoir, he described court-ordered busing as “a liberal train wreck.””
“The fiction the Corvi style fantasists have is that Blacks are dying to live among Whites.”
No, just among white girls. De mo’ de better.
“…but most people are unaware that Blacks as a group were not necessarily overjoyed by this development. …”
Not really surprising that many black parents would rather their kids went to a neighborhood school a few blocks away than be bussed an hour each way to a far away school.
Our Greatest Ally repays us in so many ways. But then, what choice do we have?
“@ Corvinus
Loath as I am to reply to you…”
I was sittin’ there for no reason,
Just lookin’ at the telephone book,
When I saw an enemy of the people
Walk right through the door.
He was widely known as “Nyquil”
‘Cuz he was green and he made you tired.
He was a catalogue of bad ideas
That were permanently uninspired.
— Neil Hagerty
You need to keep in mind A&M was an all male military academy until 1967 so some of us really old Aggies no longer pay attention to sportsball male or female. In my not so humble opinion negroes and women ruined my school.
No. He is correct and you are wrong. The norm for you whenever you attempt to discuss a subject that requires nuance, a trait you don’t possess. Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, 402 U.S. 1 (1971) is the case that led many school districts to voluntarily integregrate busing being one option. On January 1, 1965, several Black schoolchildren filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of North Carolina against the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education, under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The plaintiffs, represented by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, asked the court for an injunction barring schools from allocating educational opportunities based on race. Specifically, the plaintiff claimed that the assignment of Black children into Black schools was the result of school board policies.
What you don’t know or are too dumb to comprehend is that after instituting this ‘remedy’ in many districts voluntarily to get ahead of litigation Black student scores didn’t improve and perhaps more importantly White students who had previously had little or no opinion regarding the capabilities of Black students were shown to have developed negative views of Blacks after going to school with them. Enthusiasm for litigating integration dissipated in the Black community generally and the early promoters moved in to other projects. White students moved out of the school districts with busing and the NAACP quit pushing the issue. The old school districts that still had busing lost White tax revenue and now had an additional educational cost, the cost of long bus trips. All in all the whole exercise was a lose-lose. Eventually these districts abandoned busing with little to no opposition.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/402/1/
Also it’s a completely different situation. Belarus isn’t controlled by Russia, it was never taken over, they wanted the unique relationship they have, and it’s paid off for them. Belarus manufactures the gigantic trucks used to haul ICBMs. Had they separated from Russia and joined the EU, their native industry would be raped for parts by established Western companies, their native talent would be brain drained, their grocery prices would go insane as their markets were flooded with “free trade” (=you buy from Germany or you do not buy), and their sovereignty would be wrecked with “development loans” they wouldn’t need.
Perhaps it shows Trump’s idiocy–and arguably more so his big-man pomposity. (It would be goodness if Trump was focused pretty much 100% on the key issues for saving the American nation–stopping minoritarianism and the immivasion and restoring eugenic fertility. Trump has a gut sense of “this ain’t right” and “bad deal” but lacks big picture vision of the crisis.)
But I’m not sure more nuclear nations is more unstable.
We wouldn’t have had Putin’s War if Ukraine had nukes. Absent Ukrainian nukes, but with Russian ones Putin could indulge his Czarist big-man fantasies. With them, he’d just have to live with the Ukrainians lining up to clamp onto the EU teat. Perhaps he would have just gotten another mistress or actually concentrated on making Russia great–for its people–again. His actual job.
I think the world would actually be *more* stable if Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Poland, Germany and some assorted others had nukes. A bunch of potential conflicts would simply be off the table.
Sure Iran–as long as the Shia nutters are in charge–isn’t so great. But even there, what are they going to do, nuke Tel Aviv? And see Tehran and their holy city of Qom leveled? Yeah, there won’t be peace and love–the low level warfare would probably continue–but it even there i’m not seen massive instability.
Go back in history. If Germany and France and Britain and Poland and the Soviet Union all have nukes in 1939–hey we skip the War. Likewise if all the Great Powers had nukes in 1914–there is no July crisis. I don’t deny there are legit nationalist incompatibilities and squabbles–Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, Northern Ireland, Kashmir, etc. etc. etc. (It would be goodness if everyone could be sorted into their appropriate nation.) But most big war has come from imperialist powers deciding they should expand and boss someone else around. Nukes make that are fruitless endeavor.
The gains have been constant for over a year, they’re picking up, and Russia is very far from running out of things. In fact, the only thing that’s even threatened is Shaheds from Iran (which Russia can probably manufacture), and only just now as a result of the Iranians flailing around and not as a result of any shortage or Western action. Imperial Germany at the end of WWI couldn’t feed itself.
Something does not compute.
That and going to school with Whites was demoralizing. Black kids don’t cherish being the dummies of the class and they don’t care for Whites much.
“Absent Ukrainian nukes, but with Russian ones Putin could indulge his Czarist big-man fantasies.”
Here is where you’re wrong: Putin does not have “big man fantasies”, he has “1,000+ year Russian invasion paranoia” which in case you haven’t noticed is *fully historically justified*.
As I understand it, here is what Putin wanted from Ukraine:
— peace in the (quasi-Russian) Donbas, which you seem to forget the Ukes had been shelling and killing civilians for years before the war started;
— recognition (and an end to sabotage) of Russian sovereignty in Crimea, which is a) historically Russian anyway, and b) of vital tactical and strategic importance to Russia, whereas Ukraine has essentially no tactical, strategic or naval concerns anyway, so long as they stay friendly with the Bear;
and most importantly,
— a guarantee that Ukraine will stay out of NATO for reasons so obvious you should be hit with a brick if you don’t know them. The Ukes would be free to trade with EU and flood and destroy their country with negroes and Muslims, just like the Jews want them to. But a NATO military/nuclear presence on Ukraine soil, from a Russian perspective, would be existentially intolerable. Which is precisely why the Jews kept pushing for it, knowing it would trigger a war, which would give them massive instability in the region, ripe for Jewish exploitation, plus mountains of dead goyim, both Jewish wet dreams as always.
If you can’t see this basic coloring-book version of the situation, then stick with the minoritarianism routine, which has the virtue of being accurate.
“Trump is managing U.S. decline to the best of his ability.”
It was unrealistic to think we were staying in a unipolar world where the United States could dominate the world forever. This kind of costly imperial overstretch had helped lead to the decline of many empires in the past.
In addition to high military spending, the retirement of the large Boomer generation is leading to high Medicare and Social Security costs. Low White birthrates and high levels of non-White immigration increases other welfare costs like Medicaid.
The two groups who will resist the end of the American empire are the military-industrial complex, which makes profits from it, and various domestic ethnic lobbies who want the U.S. to become involved in wars against their traditional ethnic enemies. Some people may be American citizens but still owe their primary allegiance to their country of origin and fellow co-ethnics.
When Fareed Zakaria wrote
in 2008, everyone reacted as though he has committed treason. He later wrote an update with explanations:
in 2012, which of course is terribly obsolete by now. The recent dust up with China regarding rare earths showed who is wearing the pants in the trading relationship.
From the National Security Archives re negotiations over German reunification and NATO post Cold War role:
Well so much for that. I don’t know if the Bush team was sincere, but the tables quickly turned under Clinton with the expansion of NATO accelerating without resistance under the venal dipsomaniac Yeltsin.
If that were true they’d be contributing to a big and wealthy ethnic lobby looking out for the best interests of a foreign government and ousting members of Congress who are too focused on the pocket book interests of the American people. And they’d smear anyone who called them out. No way that’s happening!! Guys like Paul Ryan, Tom Steyer and George Soros have too much integrity to let it happen!
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1933622983139975443
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1933579921529434556
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1933639621306417544
“You’re not drinkin’ enough to wash away old memories
And there ain’t enough whiskey in Texas to keep you from beggin, “Please, please, please””
Don Henley and Sam Moore
This is more proof that you don’t actually read before replying. The answer is YES! I am not a fan of Donald Trump, and I have repeatedly spelled that out.
“I will be pissed if I don’t make it to 82.” Wouldn’t it be nice?
“Well so much for that.”
Those January 1990 assurances were given to a country that no longer existed after December 1991. (And note the last country left holding the bag, so to speak, was actually Kazakhstan.) Weird how that slipped past you, but you should have maybe read what you cited a little more closely: “Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the **SOVIET** borders.’” There, hope that helps remedy your confusion.
Secondly, the people pushing for NATO expansion weren’t the people already in. It was countries that knew a lot better than the naive West that Moscow was not to be trusted that were desperately clamoring to be let in. Witness the case of Sweden and Finland, who stayed out for decades but — and I know this seems like a really bizarre coincidence — decided to join up right as Putin started invading other countries. Wow, what are the odds those two things would happen so close to one another? But I get it — they’re totally unrelated and it was actually the bloodthirsty expansionists in NATO who kept rolling their tanks and sending little green men into neighboring countries, is that what you’re gonna tell us?
As for Clinton and Yeltsin, there’s this:
Yeah, it was so mean of Clinton not to take Yeltsin up on his generous offer. Then again, it was lucky for us, else Trump would be in the uncomfortable position of having to swipe Greenland from his good buddy Putin. Talk about awkward!
What a difference a quarter century can make. In 1999, Yeltsin’s request sounded funny. In 2025, when Putin makes the same request, using ‘Special military operation’, Trump seems to agree with the logic.
Well it appeared you meant to reply to me regarding college softball. If not my apologies.
” In my not so humble opinion negroes and women ruined my school. ”
Your school isn’t the only one, but I agree with you regardless.
Israel can’t drag us into the war, because it’s our war, to begin with, or at least, as much ours as theirs. (A proxy war.) Israel can’t launch a war on anyone, without our permission. The President had long wanted to cripple iran’s nuclear military capabilities, just as an earlier President wanted to do that with Saddam Hussein. In both cases, Israel did the job.
LOL you show up here after how long and waste a comment on something as trite as referring to a female as a stud? You’re entering into “old man yells at cloud” territory.
We interrupt vital Radio Free Billie broadcasts to bring you this: surprisingly yet another brilliant (can u beleeeve it?) Taylor Swift cut…
I think when she says So Long, London that she probably means something different than the rest of us do, what with the Muslim mayor and so on. But still.
I was bored so I watched that religious-horror movie “Heretic” on cable the other night. From a strict craft point of view it’s quite well done, Sophie Thatcher rocks as always, but the big surprise was… an aging Hugh Grant playing against type as a murderous lunatic. He does the world sort of a signal service: in his interminable whack-job monologues, he basically summarizes every dumb shallow atheist argument known to college freshmen worldwide, and puts them into the mouth of a crazy person, which is where they belong. It is kind of funny to hear him rattling on like this for what seems forever, and then Sophie takes him apart completely in a speech which lasts only about four or five sentences.
Falls apart in the last reel as these things usually do, but the first 2/3s are guilty fun.
They took out “leadership” by getting snitches to disclose where people lived and then blowing up their entire apartment building as their families (and neighbors’ families) slept. This is such a Jewish way to wage war – with deception, trickery, impunity from rules, and other people’s money.
It was funny though, watching every fake news team read the identical propaganda that “Israel struck Iran’s nuclear facilities,” whole showing burning apartment buildings in the background.
Billie Eilish recently did a nice rendition of the Beatles “Michelle” at a Paris show:
https://www.jambase.com/article/billie-eilish-beatles-cover-michelle-paris-video-setlist
That has to be the most talented female singing in French I have seen since the days of Francoise Hardy. “Michelle” is off the Beatles Rubber Soul album. The Beatles are my favorite band and their Rubber Soul album is my favorite album. It also has “Norwegian Wood”, “Nowhere Man”, “Girl”, “Drive My Car, and “In My Life”, all classics. It came out in 1965, my favorite year for pop music.
Don’t have to bring ‘Jewish’ into your comments. There have been remarkably few civilian casualties in Israel’s attacks while Iranians toss a huge pile of ballistic missiles in the general direction of Israel’s population centers. Israel wants to survive by destroying Iran’s capability to destroy them. Iran’s only motivation is to destroy Israel and achieve national martyrdom by perishing while doing that. It is the strangest war in human history. Iran wants nothing from this war – just murder and suicide. Nihilism in its purest form.
Rubber Soul is a great pick: not only is it full of great songs, but it is kind of pivotal in the sense of their moving away from straight-up Buddy Holly style rock-but-with-weird-chords to a more varied and folkish and interesting style and sound. (Buddy Holly himself does a sort of mini-Rubber Soul pivot with “Peggy Sue”.) They are rare in that they pivot three times in a row — from Buddy to folkish on Rubber Soul, then immediately from that to a kind of harsh, plugged-straight-into-the-board non-blues-based thing on Revolver, and then to the straight-up avant-garde on Sgt Pepper. That’s a lot of mileage in three years.
When I was a little kid our parents *made* us listen to the Beatles, they were like This is what good work sounds like, you need to know it. But there weren’t a whole lot of records in the house so we grew up on the two early anthology records “The Red Album” and “The Blue Album”.
Fun fact #1: there weren’t any liner notes and we didn’t talk about it, so I didn’t know that there were two singers, I assumed there was only one, and I remember thinking, Man that guy is versatile!
Fun fact #2: “I Am the Walrus” used to give me nightmares, like wake-up-screaming nightmares. But I still kept listening to it anyway.
My pet crackpot alternative-history theory: if Buddy Holly had survived and not been killed, he would have advanced in the same general direction as the Beatles, making the British Invasion unnecessary (we’ve got our own, thanks). And the Beatles would have remained local stars in Britain mostly, sort of like the Kinks.
btw, any comments from Sir Paul about the death of Brian Wilson and their rivalry back in the day?
Who attacked who?
Whoa. Now that’s what I call Boomer posting!
My late uncle, a chemist for DuPont but born and reared in small town NC, headed a Wilmington suburban school board in the 70s. He had a front license plate with a Confederate flag saying “Forget? Hell!” His priest made a comment about it. Perhaps I came to race realism genetically.
It occurs to me he would have been 100 this August, but smoking 40 years and chemicals did him in at 78. His sister lived to 94, so the genes were there.
He doesn’t; he just wants to make mischief.
“Israel can’t drag us into the war, because it’s our war,”
Even smart decent Jews, when it comes to Jewish stuff, instantly become crazy people.
They kept worrying that all of us stupid American goyim (who landed on the moon) were gonna suddenly morph into Nazi werewolves at the next full moon, which is why they decided they had to pre-emptively destroy our country, which they did; but now it turns out that they’re the f#cking blood-soaked psychotic werewolves after all.
But guess what, Jews: now that you have wrecked and ruined America, there are still a whole lot of pissed-off Americans left, and they won’t need a full moon at all this time around. And good luck finding anyone else on earth to defend you, the way we did before you betrayed us in the most shameful and despicable way in all history.
“Israel can’t drag us into the war, because it’s our war, to begin with, or at least, as much ours as theirs. (A proxy war.) ”
Pure cope. There hasn’t been a war in the ME that “we” needed to fight for our own interests, ever, at all. Iran is no threat to the US, and is not an enemy in any real sense. It is an enemy of Israel however, mostly based on Israel’s action in the ME the last 80 years.
So it’s not our war, it’s your cousins’ war. Please leave us out of it.
Mark G. for President!
Normally you speak, well, normal. But in this case when you say “It is the strangest war in human history. Iran wants nothing from this war – just murder and suicide. Nihilism in its purest form.” this is insane. It is the religious zealots there who want Israel to be obliterated, not all or most Iranians as you insist.
In fact….
https://www.jns.org/the-iranian-regime-is-not-its-people/
https://aijac.org.au/fresh-air/the-many-iranians-who-support-israel-and-israelis/
My gut is telling me something much different than what your gut is telling you.
“This is such a Jewish way to wage war – with deception, trickery, impunity from rules, and other people’s money.”
JFC, this is dumb even for you. This is a way that ALL societies have waged war throughout human history.
“My gut is telling me something much different than what your gut is telling you.”
They you’re a f—- mischief maker?
First hysterical ass shows up to stink the thread up and now it turns out you’re a crypto joo who knew.
Nope, it’s dissembling cover, playing patriot with pronouns.
More candid:
Nicholas Stix (December 18, 2014)
I wouldn’t go so far. Of course N Korea is a starving shithole. But nobody would go to war with her.
Russia is impotent in Ukraine as I write & the whole carnage wouldn’t have happened had Ukrainian society kept nukes.
Until some Star Wars technology appears, nukes are a safe deterrent.
They-their leadership- are not nihilists.
1. Israel & Jews don’t “hate” & fear Iran as such. On the contrary, Jews are historical fans of anything Iranian for centuries, long before Islam & after it (after all, modern Judaism owes more to Iran than to ancient Judaism). It’s “real whites”, Europeans, that numerous Jews, on a visceral level (OK- some of them, not all) have an aversion to: first against Greeks, then Roman wars in the 1st & 2nd C, then Christianity (Crusades, Inquisition, expulsions, Russian pogroms, Holocaust,…). Now, much of this is diluted, but somewhere in plexus solaris, it is fear, trembling & loathing of “European Pagans”, from the Seleucids & Hellenistic Greeks to Hitler & Germans.
2. nobody here seems to understand that Ayatollahs mean business. They are completely nuts, basically sincere fanatics. Two basic rational objections: they couldn’t have mean this all literally, because: a) they’re not Arabs, so their major concern for Arab Palestinians is somehow disingenuous, b) they’re Shia, unlike 90% Muslim Sunnis, so their pretension to the leadership of the entire Islamic world is absurd: it would be like Pentecostals trying to represent all Protestants. But, that’s not the way they think.They absolutely & sincerely believe, like pockets of Evangelicals, in grand cataclysmic KABOOM, apocalypse after which all Muslims will, voluntarily, be converted to Shia version of Islam & accept Iranians as some kind supernatural spiritual leaders. This will have happened in some kind of transfigured universe, according to archaic cosmologies, but still a radically transformed earth that will not be like those with laws of physics as we know it (no DNA, no life & death cycles, no food, no sleep,…). So, they’re authentic & sincere fanatics who, unlike similar nuts in other countries- do have power. Even fatso Kim of North Korea is a sober realist compared with them.
3. on the other hand, there is a strong secular, meritocratic current in Iranian society that would be very willing to dump Ayatollahs , but they’re not strong enough. They are Iranian nationalists who don’t want their country to be exploited by Americans; they, mostly, don’t care about Israel at all; they would focus their energies on booting or superseding Arabs in other countries. They are, essentially, champions of Eternal Iran.
Just, for now, they’re not powerful enough….
GUNFIGHTER’S SALOON CHALLENGE
I kill any son-of-a-bitches
that has trigger-fingers that itches.
Any damn body else
think I’m wearin’ two belts
just to hold up this one pair of britches?
When has a couple of busloads of black kids (ages 5 to 20 [20-years-old from flunking out twice]) to a 1,000-pupil white school ever improved the quality of education and the school experience for those 1,000 white kids?
Is the availability of 1,000 new white victims to a few busloads of feral blacks, who’ll only bring down the quality of education and life at that white school (robbing, beating, class disruptions, etc.), a justification for their integration into that school? I’d say it’s the opposite, I’d say that black behavior is a justification for their overall segregation.
Only those blacks who have proven their ability to behave, to learn, to contribute, would be allowed to come and benefit from the learning experience of white schools. The majority of young blacks, the violent trouble makers, need to remain on “the other side of the tracks” where the black community can deal with the criminality, violence, and ill discipline of their very own feral black children.
If keeping blacks with blacks (segregation) is considered as a partial cause of the so-called pipeline that leads blacks from school to prison then so be it: These black “youths” can ruin their own lives, without also ruining the childhood experience/lives of innocent white school kids, as they move inexorably towards their dead-end/white taxpayer subsidized lives behind bars.
Blacks can f**k up their own lives; I’ll be damned if they’re permitted to f**k up ours or our children’s lives.
When I was a little kid it was mostly ‘40s-‘60s musicals my mother played on the stereo, heavy on Rogers & Hammerstein. It was good stuff to be exposed to at an early age.
Ouch!
All dat ‘chievement! Dey so tired!:
Gee, no shit. Trump is not this king of getting rid of illegals and aliens as MAGA is being duped into believing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/us/politics/trump-ice-raids-farms-hotels.html
—The Trump administration has abruptly shifted the focus of its mass deportation campaign, telling Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to largely pause raids and arrests in the agricultural industry, hotels and restaurants, according to an internal email and three U.S. officials with knowledge of the guidance.
The decision suggested that the scale of President Trump’s mass deportation campaign — an issue that is at the heart of his presidency — is hurting industries and constituencies that he does not want to lose.—
That is some of the ham handiest projection I have ever read. As if half of the murder and mayhem wasn’t designed to keep Netanyahu in office and out of jail.
I see you exaggerate very well. I get it. Your amygdala is on hyperdrive.
“Only those blacks who have proven their ability to behave, to learn, to contribute, would be allowed to come and benefit from the learning experience of white schools”
Doesn’t work that way in a constitutional republic. And if you’re going to be logically consistent here, then you will have to extend this “invitation” to only worthy whites, given that there is a plethora in this race who are “feral” as well.
“I’ll be damned if they’re permitted to f**k up ours or our children’s lives.”
Until you are truly dedicated to that cause, you’re just engaging in cosplay.
“He had a front license plate with a Confederate flag saying “Forget? Hell!” His priest made a comment about it.”
You should be proud that the priest admonished him for his unchristian-like behavior.
Ron, Steve – I don’t know how, but HA has taken over AnotherDad’s account !
“Israel can’t launch a war on anyone, without our permission”
Wait, I thought Jews and Israel control American domestic and foreign policies. So you’re saying different? That goes against the established narrative at Unz.
Dating a NYC Jewess that you’re trying to impress? You did that before, and it didn’t work out. You know, like Charlie Brown thinking he will finally kick the football that Lucy is holding…
Israel attacked Iran, only if one forgets Hezbollah, Hamas . . . and the constant declaration from the Ayatollahs that their only purpose is to wipe out Israel and embrace martyrdom in the process.
Is this war?
It looks so far to me more like terrorist attacks. Israel is great at those.
What’s going on in Minnesota? Who’s shooting Democrats?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/14/democratic-lawmakers-minnesota-shot
There are plenty of Iranians in Iran opposed to Iran’s policies. Even more Iranians outside Iran (oppose Iran government). But that is a small consolation when the government’s stated goal for 45 years has been to wipe out Israel. Did we make our foreign policy decisions based on how unpopular Saddam Hussein and Taliban are in their countries? Majority of Americans may oppose Trump’s foreign policy; but it is still he who makes U.S. policy.
Corvinus prattling on about legal matters might be the most entertaining form of Corvyness. Let’s compare that take to this AI overview.
To get the references run this Google search: is news conference a public forum
They had another Knesset vote to dump him this week. His support was 61-53. Conscription for orthodox jews may undo him.
Citation required. Here is Google’s AI overview for: laws implementing forced busing
Curle adds additional detail.
The funny thing is at one point I thought Corvinus was AI. Turns out he is not that good.
Question for everyone: Would Corvinus pass the Turing test?
Notice how Corvy’s assumption is that the priest was commenting on the flag in a disapproving way not the presence of the word ‘Hell’ or even the contradiction with Christian admonitions to love, etc.
At its formation it was a Union and that’s what it was called.
“the constant declaration from the Ayatollahs”
Correct, the extremist religious leaders of Iran.
A union that is a constitutional republic.
Man, you try so hard to end up being wrong. First you support slavery and the return of Jim Crow, and now you are essentially demanding secession.
F—- off, says white normies. All your grandstanding is a monumental waste of digital ink.
Nowhere in the constitution does that document refer to the Union as anything other than a Union. There’s no reason to do so since its powers were entirely derivative of the states.
You’ve made it clear that you are a foolish man with a vastly exaggerated and unjustified sense of your own understanding of both law and the past. An understanding that is horrendously uninformed. You are the epitome of a dilettante.
It looks like the recent narrative of Biden being such an opponent of busing is an oversimplification. I had forgotten this bit. An excerpt from Biden’s memoirs.
One vote. And Corvy, note how this was shutting down legislation which would have stopped busing in favor of having the courts deal with it.
I guess “every effort” turned out not to be a very high bar.
No, you stupid a**hat, laws were not passed. It was implemented by judges.
No, the intentions were bad, and the execution was exactly what they wanted, you dips**t.
Oh, and permit me to employ your typical neckbeard rhetorical tactic:
No, lawful legal action taken in order to fullfill the wishes of thier constituents by the duly elected Reagan administration.
How do you like that, a**hole?
The idea of Corvy speaking for “white normies” is worth a LOL.
Congresscritters in Minnesota shot with their spouses overnight by a man impersonating a police officer. Anon finds gold: this particular congresscritter was trying to end welfare benefits for illegals. Longshot bet: a Somali? All the Minnesota Somalis are organized criminals massively benefitting from welfare fraud, they do it so much some get caught and prosecuted. The same networks were involved in the 2020 stolen election. Would a Somali criminal kill a congresscritter to protect his income?
Anon replies to speculation that the shooter was a Minnesotan non-liberal angry about Minnesota’s especially egregious lockdown:
One way the decapitation strike might prove to be a mistake is if the removed leadership were actually risk-averse conservatives unwilling to move except when forced, while the people under them are gnashing at the bit. Certainly, there is a change in character in the responses.
“Notice how Corvy’s assumption is that the priest was commenting on the flag in a disapproving way not the presence of the word ‘Hell’ or even the contradiction with Christian admonitions to love, etc.”
It’s not an assumption. The priest would undoubtedly comment on everything as being unchristian like. Similar to what you support—slavery as an institution and the return of Jim Crow. You don’t even deny it.
I don’t think there is anything recent about the rivalry. Anyone? Well enough covered in the past (respectfully on both sides from what I have seen) and now isn’t really the time.
Here is what Sir Paul had to say.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKy7rkiM1sn/?hl=en&img_index=1
Brian’s daughter Carnie responded to that.
No.
It’s no laughing matter. White normies oppose slavery as an institution and the return of Jim Crow. Curle undeniably supports both, as well as being a hostile actor to white Christians and their decisions about race and culture. It’s patently offensive. If that is something you want to laugh out loud about or disagree with, it informs us about your decided lack of honor and character.
Revolver was my first album, at age six, and still my favorite from The Beatles. “Tomorrow Never Knows,” at the end of it, is their first psychedelic song, presaging Sergeant Pepper.
Congress fled from its responsibility on controversial topics, as is usual now. It was an election year in which Dems correctly had high hopes, and the Republican enabled them.
From your link:
Brooklyn Park police were “proactively checking” on Hortman’s home due to her close proximity to Hoffman. Evans said those officers encountered the suspect, who fired at them. Police returned fire, but the gunman got away.
That never happens on TV.
update: The suspect is described as a white man with brown hair wearing black body armor over a blue shirt and blue pants. …authorities said they had seized the suspect’s vehicle as well as a list of names, which appeared to be potential targets.
So, not a Somali.
I’d say The Word off Rubber Soul is the first psychedelic song, if not musically then in its sensibility.
From puppy love to universal ‘love’.
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“Nowhere in the constitution does that document refer to the Union as anything other than a Union. There’s no reason to do so since its powers were entirely derivative of the states”
While the U.S. Constitution doesn’t explicitly use the phrase “constitutional republic,” it establishes a form of government that is best described as a constitutional republic. The Constitution outlines the structure and powers of the government, establishes a system of checks and balances, and emphasizes the rule of law, all hallmarks of a republic. It also guarantees a “Republican Form of Government” to each state.
Furthermore, the United States is both a union and a constitutional republic. It is a union of states, with a central federal government and individual state governments. It is also a republic because its government is based on the principle of popular sovereignty, where citizens hold power and elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf. The U.S. operates under a constitution, which outlines the structure and powers of the government, and limits its authority.
Revolver was brilliant. Maybe my favorite Beatles album, but it’s hard to say, their whole body of work still sounds good this many years later.
Would Corvinus pass the mirror test?
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He speaks for the broad mass of white neckbeard cucks of the kind that edit Wikipedia.
Person of interest in Minnesota DFL lawmaker shootings identified as Vance Boelter
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-dfl-shootings-melissa-horman-suspect-vance-boelter/
White normies in the North (not to mention the U.K. White normies post Revolution) opposed having freed slaves come to their states or country and they were angered by the crime and potential wage competition that came with them. Had they opposed slavery they wouldn’t have adopted laws making it harder to free slaves in state than to sell them to the southern plantations but they didn’t. They did the opposite as the Illinois example illustrates. They wouldn’t have enacted the plethora of Black Codes that restrained a large number of Black activities for those who made it North. They wouldn’t have kept the allegedly freed slaves housed in Union Army camps post war to ensure they became effective indentured servants as sharecroppers after the war especially now that the Union intended to finance internal improvements in the North using proceeds from increased tariffs received in trade for cotton now produced by sharecroppers (indentured servants) instead of slaves.
Yea sure, those Yankees were a moral bunch.
Keep on smoking whatever crack you’re smoking little man. You are both a clown and a fool.
Apparently he had “No Kings” leaflets in his fake cop car, plus a kill list. That sounds like a Dem, so most odd.
“The state patrol said “No Kings” flyers had been found inside the suspect’s vehicle.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/14/democratic-lawmakers-minnesota-shot
No Kings protest proving to be No Things, reports of good behavior, all-white all-geriatric crowds, no scuffles, prompt end times respected. Some lefty whining about how the Israel-Iran War took all the attention.
When AD gets drunk, instead of emoting in his own name like Hannagan/Buzz/GToD, he switches to his HA alt
Hmmm. It goes back to my Golden Anon: not a Somali, not a right-winger, but a leftier-than-thou extremist on her nominal side, angry that she betrayed the cause.
That or something unknowably personal, some Whitewater stuff, which I doubt.
No. See the first legal treatment of the Union. It describes a Union. Nothing more nothing less. Do I need to remind you of your previous demonstrated incompetence when trying to wrap your mind around the complexities of law. Stop while you are behind.
(strike government and insert “union”)
Which is what any intergovernmental agreement where functions are delegated by the principles to
a subordinate entity to perform contain.
,
All unions/intergovernmental agreements have processes for resolving disputes including resort to judicial review by entities ultimately under the authority of the principles acting collectively as long as those principles remain in the union.
Quit trying to pretend familiarity with things for which you are an incompetent. You just keep digging the hole deeper.
Duh, why do you think the states created a Union in the first place? Answer: to provide useful collective services to the members of the Union, those members being the states.
Did Israel just leak a Samson Option hit list to threaten their “allies”?


Also, Brazil?
With a submarine, you can go anywhere.
https://twitter.com/AAGDhillon/status/1933689991546208645
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1933895931705074099
Isn’t that the Samson Option? Martin van Creveld version?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/
Is that the one where he points at the mirror and repeats “I’m not stupid, you’re stupid!” over and over again?
I wonder if Anudder Dad’s hatred of Putin is based on some personal ethnic beef? there’s a lot of that here.
“No. See the first legal treatment of the Union. It describes a Union. Nothing more nothing less”
The Articles of Confederation were replaced by the Constitution, which formed a union and created a representative republic.
“(strike government and insert “union”)”
The U.S. Constitution establishes the structure and powers of the American federal government.
These are facts.
“ No Kings protest proving to be No Things”
To the contrary, it proved to be everything.
“reports of good behavior”
Yes.
“all-white all-geriatric crowds”
Nope.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/14/us/gallery/no-kings-protests
“no scuffles, prompt end times respected”
Yes, unlike the rioters of January 6.
Certainly not in a khazars vs cossacks kinda way for AD
I think just in a Boomer/Evil Empire way
“I wonder if Anudder Dad’s hatred of Putin is based on some personal ethnic beef?”
No, it’s based on the fact that Putin is a former Deep Stater who favors oligarchs and squelches dissent.
If Israel thinks of attacking the Western world (and some bystanders) even as some imaginary deterrent- then, it is suicidal. Not just for Israel, but for the entire Jewish community. The US, Europe, Russia, China…. can take big hits & survive, damaged.
But the net result would be complete annihilation of world Jewry, in comparison with which Hitler and Heydrich would look like Amish. Not just the state of Israel. Van Creveld & similar minds are evidently possessed by a complete death wish.
Boelter is an obvious spook, has a doctorate in something, and his day job was playing Erik Prince — he’s got a private army and has claimed to have “worked” in Gaza, as well as nearly everywhere else. There is a Legend-establishing, noisy, wierd looking video of him screaming right wing talking points out of context (in other words, establishing a legend, like the Tsarnaevs standing up in the mosque and screaming out of nowhere about how much they hate the Great Satan). He’s a Walz appointee (one funny thing to look forward to coming out in the future is Walz being more important than suspected in the moron organization). And the only thing that stands out about the victims is that they were the reason for the failure of major legislation. They are not logical targets for a far-right freak who wants to kill all lefties (itself highly illogical, we just won and we are winning daily; see also the psyop in the Michigan State Capitol, then solidly Republican, and an obvious trial run for January 6th).
Better glowies please.
By way of Oren Cass, I think this is wrong but I want to believe. I hope this is right but it sounds like on the nose damage control. Already, new events may have postdated some of its best ideas.
https://www.compactmag.com/article/this-is-israels-war/
It’s a little weird to see the guys in tanks waving like beauty queens.
Kind of on topic I know my taste in music is vastly different than yours, but have you ever listened to Allison Moorer and her album “the hardest part” early 2000 . I used to have a 45 mile one way commute to work that album helped get me through a dark place in my life.
Your first statement is no fact Corvy. Here’s a restatement which is a description of the facts that elude you: The US Constitution as originally adopted by the states is an intergovernmental agreement between the states, the only possessors of organic authority, to create a Union (an intergovernmental body) to advance the state’s common interests. The United States has no interests separate from the states. Unions are not states they are agreed upon representatives of the collection of states (principals) taking action through protocols laid out in the Union’s constitution. No organic authority (ultimate territorial control – the control Great Britain explicitly gave to the states through the Treaty of Paris) resided with the US under the constitution circa 1861 nor is territorial control (ultimate authority) granted the United States through the constitution.
The so called Civil War is a portion of the states taking control of the whole via conquest and claiming territorial control via conquest. Before the conquest there was no legal authority standing behind the remnant Union’s action and afterwards there was only the law of conquest which is winners call the shots.
WDCB.org
’s Juke Box Saturday Night for today features Glen Miller’s mid-1940 band, Vol. 5, if anyone’s interested.Availible on their two-week archive.
https://wdcb.org/archive
Boss move by Pope Leo?
https://www.newsweek.com/pope-leos-first-us-bishop-against-trump-ice-migrant-crackdown-2084985
My wife kept commenting that they don’t seem to march well, as in perfect unison, compared to Russian and North Korean troops. She also felt many of the younger soldiers appear fat, in spite of Trump’s instructions not to have any ‘fatties’.
He easily passes the boring test.
“What’s going on in Minnesota? Who’s shooting Democrats?”
From the NYT
“David Carlson lives at an address in Minneapolis where the police executed a search warrant for Mr. Boelter and said he has been one of his best friends since fourth grade. Mr. Boelter’s listed address is in Green Isle, Minn., about an hour’s drive away. Mr. Carlson said that Mr. Boelter also rented a room in the same home as him, and stayed there several days a week.”
“Mr. Boelter worked at a funeral home, owned guns and had voted for President Trump last year, he said.”
…
“Mr. Carlson said Mr. Boelter is a Christian who strongly opposed abortion. He had never mentioned either of the lawmakers who were shot, Mr. Carlson said, and had generally avoided talking about politics. He said Mr. Boelter had been experiencing financial and mental health challenges.”
Women in tanks, as well. Tanks… for the mammaries?
Did they have any drone squadrons?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14813369/Minnesota-gunman-Vance-Boelter-halloween-mask-lawmaker-shootings.html
Terrifying new images show the suspect behind Saturday’s ‘politically motivated assassinations’ wearing a creepy Halloween-style mask while launching his killing spree
H/T:
“The US Constitution as originally adopted by the states is an intergovernmental agreement between the states”
No, the U.S. Constitution is not simply an intergovernmental agreement between the states. It is the foundational document of the United States, establishing a federal government with specific powers and a system of checks and balances. While it emerged from a convention of states and was ratified by them, it created a new, unified nation with its own sovereign powers, distinct from the individual states.
“Unions are not states”
Never said that.
“they are agreed upon representatives of the collection of states (principals) taking action through protocols laid out in the Union’s constitution.”
Unions, in this context, are understood as organizations where individual states (or their representatives) pool their resources and delegate authority to a central body, in this case a federal government, to act on their behalf.
“No organic authority (ultimate territorial control – the control Great Britain explicitly gave to the states through the Treaty of Paris) resided with the US under the constitution circa 1861 nor is territorial control (ultimate authority) granted the United States through the constitution.
In part correct. While the Constitution does not explicitly grant the federal government “ultimate territorial control”, it does grant the legislative branch, in this case Congress, the power to govern territories and admit new states. The 1783 Treaty of Paris did not cede land to individual states directly, but rather to the newly formed United States as a whole. Six years later, the role of the federal government to acquire and govern territories evolved, with the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 3, providing a basis for congressional power over territories—the land that was ceded by Great Britain.
“The so called Civil War”
You mean The Civil War.
“is a portion of the states taking control of the whole via conquest and claiming territorial control via conquest. Before the conquest there was no legal authority standing behind the remnant Union’s action and afterwards there was only the law of conquest which is winners call the shots.”
The idea of conquest as the exclusive driver of the war ignores the legal and constitutional arguments presented by tthe North and the South as to how and it occurred, as well the significant social and political changes that resulted. You posit a situation where a portion of a nation conquered the rest, then assert their victory established a new legal order based squarely on conquest, disregarding prior legal frameworks.
Please, by all means, go right ahead and identify which legal and constitutional scholars by which you base your position on. Who are these experts? If you are that dedicated to your cause to convince others that the arguments you provide are definitive, then you should have no problem offering up the names of those people, as well as the sources they created. Don’t chicken out. Don’t give excuses.
Lookit bro, taste doesn’t matter: ANY music that gets you through a dark place is GREAT music by definition. Doesn’t matter who likes what, if it helps YOU, then mission accomplished. Allison Moorer does sound familiar, I think I have heard her but will have to dig for it… but if she helped *you*, then God bless her to the mountaintops. That is all that counts.
As the great Hal Willner said to me a long time ago: “Hey man, don’t sweat it, we are *artists*: and saving people’s lives is what we *do*, it is our literal order of business. So big deal, so what, I saved your life. Now get out there and save some others.”
Only way to roll, really.
“Boelter is an obvious spook”
You first thought it was a Somali, now you make this wild guess. It’s f—- bonkers on your part.
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/are-there-really-going-to-be-anti
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/the-next-theme-for-protest-marches
The parade sucked? Good. That’s congruent with the story on our military, which is that it needs reform after being degraded by neocons and abused by wokesters.
This is completely dishonest and it was clear damage control from its first broadcast. Both Boelter and his wife worked for Tim Walz. They were so right-wing they both worked for Tim Walz. The people he shot were responsible for ending important legislation which the progressives wanted passed. The source here is an alleged best buddy for life (as opposed to, say, a spouse or an employment history). Any word on how the best buddy for life felt about free sushi? I mean sometimes you just get comped.
By the way, it’s actually not true that he had “No Kings” flyers in his car. “No Kings,” like the other fake and gay fed color revolution psyops, was centrally directed and highly produced. The pre-printed signs and flyers look professional, clean, logo-aligned, and anything but grassroots. Boelter had white pieces of paper on which someone had hurriedly scribbled “NO KINGS.” With no art and no other information. That’s a “No Kings flyer” in the same sense that a piece of xerox paper with the word “doller” on it is US currency.
In other words, lazy glowies off their game.
Glowie-congruent goals achieved:
NPCs who believe the TV are again babbling about “right-wing political violence.”
Democrats who are thinking about straying from the compound are intimidated.
Yes. I knew there was no way an American military show could ever match what communist and totalitarian peoples have put on my entire life.
My wife enjoyed this celebration, and she appreciated the history, but she also understood when I told her this: When I was a young person — when she was a girl living under communism — the military parades I saw on film from communist countries were very big and impressive.
After all, “the nail that stands out gets hammered down.” It is no surprise that leftist, communist, controlled, unfree societies can put on very uniform shows. Wow. How fucking great. I’ve been over there. Maybe they can march together, out of forced fear, but they can’t even make a fucking elevator work consistently or build apartments with parallel balconies. (I have an OCD eye, and when I see a building that is not perfectly aligned, it sticks out like a sore thumb. I saw many like that there, but never any in my own country. Maybe we can’t march perfectly like robots, but we sure can built shit that matters.) Shit. It’s shit. Uniform, leftist-enforced consciousness is shit — and it can’t even truly produce real uniformity when it should!
With regard to the “No Kings Day” riots, I joked to her that we should see images of Lenin shouting from a soap box. She laughed, because she knew the classic photographs that I remembered:
She understands that we are experiencing Bolshevik tactics and that we are in an ongoing struggle. She loves America, my America, your America, the one that is disappearing.
Talking of “No King’s Day” protests, I saw a guy in Los Angeles with a big sign “NO FACISM” and wondered how he will feel there is a permanent record, seen by millions, of his inability to spell the word! Like strangers approaching him and saying, I saw you on TV, are you the guy who can’t spell?
Repeating this nonsense does not make it true. Since I’ve already provided the most cited Supreme Court scholar in history as a source that the Union was voluntary you can start doing what you haven’t done to date and that is spend the next ten years educating yourself on a subject you are incompetent by background from understanding.
I liked the part where they marched with army uniforms (and weapons) of different eras. I could identify WWI uniforms, rifles and a vehicle. They also had a couple of robot dogs that marched impressively. Albeit with an army man with a handheld controller. It would have been nice to see them autonomous and behave well with people.
“I have an OCD eye, and when I see a building that is not perfectly aligned, it sticks out like a sore thumb. I saw many like that there, but never any in my own country. Maybe we can’t march perfectly like robots, but we sure can build shit that matters.”
Oh ho just you wait my friend, until our brand-new, Jew-created non-white, just-got-here-yesterday “American” “people” start taking the steering wheel. Chaplin ain’t got nuthin’ on dat sheeit.
Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft — and people are paying anyway
This will get interesting in the future as we embark on more automation. Do people like robotic help compared to actual humans for certain tasks? Waymo may prove that may be true. People may be willing to pay more not to deal with a human!
He said, It’s on your head.
I said, So’s everything.
But he didn’t get it.
Hunger hurts.
But starving works,
when it costs too much to love.
Fiona Apple
I think this video is just grand; but for me it has a kind of weird particular poignancy because a (less cool-looking) coffee shop is where I accidentally met her when she was just a wildly overconfident and strangely level-headed pre-teen. And now decades later she is a grown jaded rock star, capable of feeling and knowing those unhappy kinds of sentiments I quoted above.
Time keeps on slippin’…..
Yes, that’s where we’re headed. I know.
“I liked the part where they marched with army uniforms (and weapons) of different eras.”
I didn’t see it; did they have a part where the numerous Military of Color playfully pointed their weapons at the white people in the crowd, then said, Ha-ha! Just kidding! …for now.
Though your capacity for trying to imagine thoroughgoing bullshit into existence is well documented this is delusional to a degree extreme even for you.
At least we now know you’ve never read the Treaty of Paris. Here’s you:
Here’s reality:
When on September 3, 1783, representatives of Great Britain and the American States signed the Treaty of Paris ending the Revolutionary War, the King and Parliament acknowledged the independence of each new American State by name. England no longer was a threat and each American State now stood internationally recognized as an independent Nation on its own.
Here’s the relevant text of the Treaty of Paris:
“His Britannic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof”
The television adds ten pounds.
To me, the Citadel and West Point students marched better than the regulars.
No need to tip. Too little or too much?
Wonder what happens if you’re cranky with a Waymo.
Interesting.
https://twitter.com/jensenjeans/status/1934109421577380091
Looks like a Skinhead White Supremacist Nazi Trump voter to me!!
>I have an OCD eye, and when I see a building that is not perfectly aligned, it sticks out like a sore thumb
Behold!
The Abominations thread from /DIY/
Real horrorshow for OCD autists
https://boards.4chan.org/diy/thread/2910933
I just checked out some Allison Moorer and she is just plain terrific. Thanks for letting me know about her. Plus holy cow, she was married to Steve freakin’ Earle! How’s that for cred.
I kind of feel like there are two different sorts of dark places that people need help with; one is a little easier to take, and so this is good medicine…
and the other is, um, a bit more of an uphill climb. I’m kind of more of a Shelby dude m’self.
Ride the devil’s bronco,
Never hit the ground.
50 some odd years ago as a junior officer I was tasked (ie ordered) to take a detachment to a 4th of July parade, those being guys who had pissed someone in their company off so they were not enthusiastic so their marching sucked, plus the reviewing stand was on the left (should always be on the right) so we couldn’t do “eyes right” command plus I stuck the tip of my sword in the pavement doing the salute. Not a good look. I was the SLJO the shitty little jobs officer, plus OIC of the drum and bugle corps (total made up bullshit by the CO because he didn’t like me) and I was battalion physical fitness officer so the fat guys didn’t like me either and guess who was in my marching group.
Well, duh, they should, they’re actual soldiers under military discipline and receiving daily training. A huge element of this parade was historical re-enactors, not academy cadets or active duty military. There were still problems but for several good reasons all the griping is stupid.
When you said, “plus OIC of the drum and bugle corps (total made up bullshit by the CO because he didn’t like me) . . .” I could not but think of something on a more humorous note. Remember that silly movie from the early 6os called No Time for Sergeants? Jim Nabors as “Gomer Pyle” was such an imbecile that his sergeant (“Sergeant Carter”) appointed him to be PLO–“permanent latrine orderly.” Pyle was so stupid he thought it was an honor. I can still hear his voice saying, “PLO, gol-uh-uh-uh-ly?”
The Treaty of Paris (1783) ceded a large territory to the United States as a whole, not to individual states. Then the states gained jurisdiction of that land. There were significant conflicts between the states and the central government. The Northwest Territory become under the control of the central government in 1787.
“Though your capacity for trying to imagine thoroughgoing bullshit into existence is well documented this is delusional to a degree extreme even for you.”
In your opinion.
“Since I’ve already provided the most cited Supreme Court scholar in history as a source”
He isn’t. It’s Richard A. Posner.
https://lawreview.uchicago.edu/print-archive/most-cited-legal-scholars-revisited
You simply mentioned the person.
You didn’t identify any particular sources created by him that explain his reasoning that supports your position. You merely imply he is the definitive expert on the matter, and that every historian or legal analyst who disagrees with him and you is wrong or a shill or some other nonsense.
“that is spend the next ten years educating yourself on a subject you are incompetent by background from understanding.”
No, the burden is on YOU to specifically show how and why with sourcing and explanation, rather than just say it is unequivocally, that we should just take your word for it.
Sorry for the typo, Pyle’s remark should not conclude with a question mark, I intended to end with an exclamation point!
“PLO, gol-uh-uh-uh-ly!”
Maybe a “stunning and brave” stud lefty?
Iran was an Arbusto to negotiate with us. Anyone who negotiates with us after what we did with Iran is an idiot.
https://archive.org/details/the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-by-oded-yinon-israel-shahak-yinon-oded-shah/mode/1up
No. Reading comprehension Corvi. I’m tired of wasting my time with your clownishness. This isn’t a disputable matter. You really need to learn to read.
The Declaration of Independence states, “These United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent States.” While the Declaration uses the phrase “United Colonies,” it emphasizes the term “independent states” multiple times in its conclusion. The use of the singular “independent states” denotes that the writers of the Declaration understood that each state was both sovereign and independent. In his Blackstone’s Commentaries: with Notes of Reference, Judge St. George Tucker wrote, “From the moment of the revolution they became severally independent and sovereign states, possessing all the rights, jurisdictions, and authority, that other sovereign states, however, constituted, or by whatever title denominated, possess; and bound by no ties but of their own creation, such except as all other civilized nations are equally bound by, and which together constitute the customary law of nations.”
Blackstone’s Commentaries was the pinnacle of legal authority in the English speaking world at the time. You wouldn’t know this because you’ve no idea of how law and laws work.
Now run off and play with your toys and quit bothering the adults.
I’m tall and long legged so I didn’t look good marching in formation that’s why I was the guidon bearer, less noticable than being in formation. Junior officers get stuck with all kinds of mickey mouse duties but I liked being the PT instructor (maybe because I’m an asshole?). Actually I was a failed jock bad eyesight. I didn’t watch the Army’s birthday parade but read that the A&M Corps of Cadets was marching along with the Citadel and VMI.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14813335/Unearthed-video-shows-Minnesota-shooting-suspect-dancing-revealing-met-Jesus-17-years-old.html
Newly unearthed video shows Vance Boelter, the subject of a massive FBI manhunt, delivering a passionate testimony about how he met Jesus at the age of 17
The video, filmed in February 2023, shows Boelter, 57, recounting how the Holy Spirit filled him as a teenager
The footage shows Boelter delivering an emotionally charged sermon to a small congregation
Boelter can be seen enjoying the February 2023 church service
At ones stage the congregation can be seen getting up and awkwardly dancing around
Thanks. Here is his Substack.
https://substack.com/@sebastianjensen
Watch This Robotaxi…
Cheers! ☮️
An upsized Roomba. I bet it gets stuck in alleys like Roombas get stuck under furniture. Instead of smearing dog shit on carpet it probably smears bums on pavement.
Thank you. That’s actually a pretty funny story about what really was going on behind the scenes! One can only wonder about what goes on here and everywhere else on similar occasions. Thank you.
Thanks. No real surprises here. Things tend to correlate when people share DNA. Also, people tend to mate with people who share those same characteristics that correlate, thus leading to another correlation.
I guess this goes against the fantasies and enforced illusions of “the left,” (whoever they really are and whatever actual goals they have.)
Nothing makes sense except maybe Trump got set up and backstabbed. Not even Jill Biden or whoever was the chairman of the last committee could have been stupid enough to do this intentionally.
The Game of Thrones fans might like it.
Didn’t Trump’s eldest daughter marry into a Jewish Orthodox sect? I’m no expert in the intricacies of NYC real estate but I’m reasonably sure that on Trump’s level a deal with an Israeli organized crime network with Mossad affiliation is the price of doing business in that overhyped city. He’s in deep with the Zionists.
Right, Tucker—who is not the most cited Supreme Court scholar in history–was a staunch advocate for states’ rights and limited federal power, aligning himself with Thomas Jefferson’s political philosophy.
That does not mean Tucker’s position is the end all and be all, THE definitive argument, and that any and all opposing points of view by legal analysts and historians are wrong, misguided, inaccurate, etc.
You may not prefer that it has been settled law regarding the end of slavery, the dismantling of Jim Crow, and secessionist doctrine. But, ultimately, you’re giving your opinion on these matters. Nothing more, nothing less.
As you said, now run off and play with your toys and quit bothering the adults.
Trump’s eldest daughter marry into a Jewish Orthodox sect? . . . . He’s in deep with the Zionists.
But his younger daughter married into an Arab family. He’s in deep with the Arabs? Where is King Solomon when we need him?
Religion can turn people living on the margins into extremists. It’s usually the case, however, that American assassins who are groomed to kill political figures usually start as informants for Federal law enforcement — FBI, ATF — and then eventually disappear into a netherworld wherein their legend is established. Activated or not the life spans of these sorry specimens is never long.
He might be one of those Lebanese who disowns the Arabs. They are E Ortho Christians. Also the family made their money in Lagos Nigeria and their biggest business is waste management. I don’t think Mister Maples is going to be getting into cabinet meetings.
Did you ever read those running articles in Punch about the government in Lagos has no room at the morgue? One of the performance measures there is how long a corpse sits in the gutter before the civic waste company collects it.
I bet the security guy who gave the Donald background on Mr Maples enjoyed that assignment.
“But his younger daughter married into an Arab family. He’s in deep with the Arabs?”
Yes. He is neck deep with Jews and Arabs. Haven’t you learned with Trump that everything he dues is transactional?
Example
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna212958
I have started to read a hard copy newspaper on weekends, the NYT or FT. 80% of it is crap, but there are informative bits. From todays Times:
1. Trump approval of sale of US Steel to Nippon Steel, a proposed deal earlier nixed by a Biden executive order. The deal involves retention of a ‘Golden Share’ in the company, “a rarely used practice through which the [US] government takes a stake in the business.” Had not heard of such a thing.
2. I assume iSteve is on this, but MLB reports that this year baseballs have an average drag coefficient of .3514, the highest recorded since 2016. This translates into fly balls carrying about 4 feet less farther. No explanation why, just some hypothesizing, which is curious given how tightly regulated production is.
3. Amanda Fielding dies at 82. I guess 82 is the elite average these days. She was the countess of Wemyss and March, famous for her Learyesque levels of LSD consumption, and more melodramatically the practice of trepanning, the self-administered drilling of holes in one’s skull, intended to release pressure, alleviate depression and expand consciousness. Despite their innate depravity, there is something appealing about the Brit elites willingness to push the boundaries of modern human behavior, if only they could just limit their experimentation to themselves. Apparently she financed a lot of psychedelics research, as if the 60s didn’t mine that field deeply enough, and sold off one of her ventures to Thiel for a few 100 millions of dollars.
He is neck deep with Jews and Arabs.
That is a winning transaction as he can now sell Bibles for $99.99. Made in China for $3 (before tariffs).
Right. Trump is seeking to make a shit ton of money as President at the expense of his supporters.
What do you think?
https://twitter.com/krichard1212/status/1933846223129059365
I could escape this feeling —
Wake up in the morning, where’s —
A news conference is not inherently a public forum, but it can be designated as one by the entity holding the conference.
Or, if you prefer…
A news conference can be considered a limited public forum under certain circumstances, particularly when the government or public official uses it as a space for public communication. While not a traditional public forum like a park or street corner, a news conference, especially when intended for public information, can be seen as a designated space for public discourse. However, the government retains some control over the forum, such as setting the agenda and limiting the scope of discussion.
Well it seems like it’s about time my friends, just as an ice-cutter from all your assorted craziness, to establish once again the One Craziness To Rule Them All, that is: sorry Lotte Lenya and Ella, the Greatest Solo Female Vocal Performance of the 20th Century and no it’s not PJ (although it coulda been)….
I was at this stadium.
There were 20,000 girls
Callin’ their names out to me!
Marie! Ruth!
But to tell ya the truth,
I didn’t hear them!
I couldn’t see!
I let my eyes rise to the big Tower Clock,
And I heard those bells chiming in my heart!
We are however still taking votes for Best *Male* Solo Vocal Performance of the 20th Century, the only rule is: it can’t be Elvis, Roy, Johnny, Frank, John or Paul, or Nat King Cole, that would just be cheating. C’mon, dig up something fresh.
Have at it, f#ckos.
https://twitter.com/wolfejosh/status/1934001675410538706
This seems to be your speed if I read you right.
You made it too easy.
It appears vast numbers of USAF air tankers are heading east.
And the carrier group in the far east is heading west.
So much for “no wars under Trump”. Pity.
Per Patti and the other Northeastern girl singers, and as a boy who lived in the South in the late sixties/early ‘70s, I feel compelled to point out the remarkable quality of the southern Black girls of the early 1970s. One in particular stands out, Ann Peebles. My vote goes to Ann.
OK obviously I did not make myself clear enough. Harumph, sorry.
When I said “Best Male Vocal Performance” I meant it with respect to Patti, viz there are tons of better female vocal histrionics compared to the Celestial Emperess, but I meant *metaphysically* great, spiritually great.
I meant something like this……
or this…
or this….
with regards to U2’s “Trip Through Your Wire” I think you need to take an entrance exam in order to even discuss it.
I like to set levels. In my mind (feel free to argue!) this is sort of a baseline level of a good rock n roll performance: the band is skilled and tight, the song is great, and the headliner is well respected and so doesn’t have to prove anything except how great she is. The crowd is a humane, manageable size: large enough to be impressive, but not some horrible oppressive stadium thing.
In a word, in my view, rather ideal. Enjoy.
As David Byrne used to say… Does anyone have any questions?
Classic TV: Come to the WEJB/NSU Theater for a Sam Peckinpah Marathon; Ornery, ol’ Sam Not Only Made Two of the Greatest Westerns of All Time, but He also Created, Produced, Sometimes Wrote and Sometimes Directed One of the Greatest Western TV Series of All Time! Check It Out, Before the KK Do!
https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2025/06/classic-tv.html
Steve, I now see that Ron Unz has kindly accommodated your reasonable request, and the byline for these ISteve Open Threads is now the ISTEVE COMMUNITY, which goes to its own archive.
https://www.unz.com/author/isteve-community/
Thank you Ron Unz.
The ultimate fag hag. She was good though, I might have all Patti’s work.
You could also have chosen Rock’N’Roll N-Word, to be genteel, a song which furthermore had a fine cover by the lads at The Right Stuff as Rock’n’Roll Gamer.
He should set up something like the billion dollar Clinton Global Foundation. Anyone even remember that? Government for sale, good condition.
garde:
avant-garde:
WITNESS : I FEEL THE EARTH MOVE
(Text written by Christopher Knowles ; Recited at the music change [35] after the reveal has gone out.)
I feel the earth move… I feel the tumbling down tumbling down…
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So this one will have eight in types into a pink rink. So this way could be so very magic. So this will be like to Scene where women comes out to grab her. So this what She grabbed her. So if you lie on the grass. So this could be where if the earth move or not. So here we go.
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So here’s what in like of WABC…….
JAY REYNOLDS from midnight to 6 AM
HARRY HARRISON from 6 AM to L
I feel the earth move from WABC…
JAY REYNOLDS from midnight to 6 AM.
HARRY HARRISON from 6 AM to 10 AM.
I went to the window and wanted to draw the earth.
I feel the earth move. Carole King.
Well she was right about Jackson Pollock anyway.
David Byrne just put out a new song:
No, surely “I Can’t Stand The Rain” ? Great song.
USAF mobilising pretty much its entire air tanker fleet – where could they be going?
Seems Israel aren’t doing quite as well as publicised and Uncle Sam’s aid is needed.
Also the fleet in the far east is turning round and heading for the Arabian Sea.
China is apparently sending 747 cargo planes to Iran, presumably with AA or A2A missiles.
I’ll be cross if no war Donald (plus usual suspects) gets us into The Big One.
George Strait, Ray Price (I’m not into embedding videos)
40 some odd years ago I paid good money to see the possum at a supper club, he finally showed an hour late and so wasted he couldn’t sing or remember the lyrics. No Show Jones
En garde! Don’t forget the Carole Kang version:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-equity-as-the-new-improved-equality/#comment-4432448 (#8)
I guess that means that Israel isn’t doing so well on its own. Who is surprised by that? How could anyone be surprised that Trump will do Israel’s bidding, and even call it America First?
Trump is a fraud and he’s always been a fraud. His negotiations with Iran were a fraud and his immigration crackdown is a fraud, and none of it will be for the benefit of the American masses. If reports are correct, we can expect troops on the ground to defend Israel and another round of amnesty from Trump. Who is really surprised? And all of Trump’s doubletalk and promises to the contrary will only make matters worse than if he just did what he is intent on doing.
If Trump is better than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, how much better is he? Enough to make a real difference? I’m not sure that he is anymore.
I know. I had reminded Mr. Unz.
Ron Unz says:
June 16, 2025 at 2:25 am GMT • 10.9 hours ago • 100 Words ↑
@Corvinus
Mr. Sailer has kindly asked you twice to make this accommodation. Could you please comply in a show of good faith?
Thanks for reminding me. Someone had actually mentioned that to me a few days ago, but I’d been so busy with my own work it had slipped my mind. I’ve now changed the authorship of all those open posts to “iSteve Community.”
• Thanks: Corvinus
I tend to assume he’ll hand over bunker-busters to smash up Iran’s underground stuff, refill the Israeli planes and that’ll be it – although Iran and maybe China may have other ideas.
China have been flying 747 cargo ships seemingly into Iran, presumably with air or anti-air weapons on board. Probably feeling their oats after their plane/missile combo hit several Dassault planes with NATO spec air to air missiles in the recent Pakistan/India clashes.
And I’m sure Israel will react with the gratitude they showed the UK for the Balfour Declaration. Not that Starmer’s not as much of their bitch as Johnson ever was. The UK has institutional battered wife syndrome.
I’m not even sure what Steve ever stood for, so he should clear that up himself. These threads should just be renamed the Free Speeh Community. Much of what is posted now would not have made it through under moderation from Steve anyway.
Come on now, you keep posting that song.
This is IMHO the most beautiful reggae song in the world, sung by Jackie Edwards, who wrote Keep On Running and Somebody Help Me, both #1 for Spencer Davis (and Steve Winwood) in the 60s.
Ignore the early sound effects, pretty much mandatory on a late 70s reggae track, and go back to your twenties, slow dancing (groin to groin being the preferred style), and listening to the voice.
“Look at my eyes, it’s crying all the time
Look at my face, it’s raining all the time”
Ray Price is the greatest. But Jerry Lee did some fine work in the ’70s.
Hands down, the most unique male vocal performance of the 20th century belongs to the big guy with the eyepatch, Dick Curless.
DDGeopolitics on twitter
https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1934431647619023138
Don Henley
I think Ann telling her cheating lover she’s going to ‘tear his playhouse down’ reflects a kind of unalloyed emotional directness that may not be metaphysical but sure is good in my book. It’s the same reason “run for your life” is one of my favorite Beatle’s songs.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/C2Xt05-i19E
This is what U.S. arms, money, aid and assistance, and political cover supported and enabled. The average American is not guilty, unlike the average Israeli. But it could happen that the world makes us pay for what our government has done in many places, and there will be as much sympathy for as as there is for the hysterical Israelis running from Iraninan missiles and what they have done to others.
How much longer will America be strong enough to hold back the world? Our elites are pissing off the world while they are destroying America internally at the same time. The stupidity and evil of these people is beyond belief.
https://www.wired.com/story/grok-chatgpt-ai-los-angeles-protest-disinformation/
—Disinformation about the Los Angeles protests is spreading on social media networks and is being made worse by users turning to AI chatbots like Grok and ChatGPT to perform fact-checking.
As residents of the LA area took to the streets in recent days to protest increasingly frequent Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids, conservative posters on social media platforms like X and Facebook flooded their feeds with inaccurate information. In addition to well-worn tactics like repurposing old protest footage or clips from video games and movies, posters have claimed that the protesters are little more than paid agitators being directed by shadowy forces—something for which there is no evidence.
In the midst of fast-moving and divisive news stories like the LA protests, and as companies like X and Meta have stepped back from moderating the content on their platforms, users have been turning to AI chatbots for answers—which in many cases have been completely inaccurate.—
Here is the paper.
Benefits of educational attainment on adult fluid cognition: international evidence from three birth cohorts
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3535750/
Here is the abstract for some context.
My primary observation from the abstract is that this indicates a larger effect size than I would expect: “offsetting an effect equivalent of 0.5 to 1.5 standard deviations lower adolescent cognition.”
My primary observation from the body is orthogonal to their point. There is a large difference between the US and GB cohorts. In two dimensions.
1. Comparing the Figure 1 and Figure 2 panels (A 1939 US, B 1946 GB, C 1958 GB) we see the US cohort shows a substantially greater education effect than the GB cohorts.
2. Looking at Figure 3 (and discussed in the caption) we see much smaller sex differences in the US than in GB. Women in GB were about a quarter SD smarter both in adolescence and as adults.
Both of those are interesting, but I don’t see enough to draw conclusions beyond those observations.
Regarding their primary result, some comments.
In Figure 2 panels A, C, and B (in order of difference larger to smaller) we see smaller slopes for UD than SQ. This indicates to me a decreasing benefit of education with increased adolescent intelligence.
More importantly, I think the way they measure the differences seriously overstates the effect size. See Figure 2. Notice the wording here: “offsetting an effect equivalent of 0.5 to 1.5 standard deviations lower adolescent cognition.”
That is a horizontal line with constant adult fluid cognition. I find it more intuitive to think of the effect seen on a single individual which would be a vertical line with constant adolescent cognition. I believe it correct to interpret that as the benefit education would confer on a given person.
Looking at Figure 2 compare the relative sizes of the distance between the UD and SQ lines horizontally and vertically. The latter (my metric) looks to me about half the size of the former (their metric).
Also perhaps important is to juxtapose these results with the Flynn Effect. To the degree that a practice effect (vs. say nutrition) underlies the Flynn effect I would expect to see the effect they observe decline over time (increased intellectual demands on the general population).
I also ran an AI analysis on that paper. Executive summary of that after the MORE.
P.S. While looking into this I ran across this 2024 paper from James Thompson. Good to see he is still active.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/390581200_Intelligence_of_Refugees_in_Germany_Levels_Differences_and_Possible_Determinants
Yeah, I get it. It is sort of the same way that I find the current-era Billie lyric
She was your girl.
And you showed her the world.
to be so poignant. That was sort of the relation that I had with my (as JIE snarkily puts it) “Asian stripper friend”. She was a gal who had overcome all sorts of titanic probabilities and turned herself into an underground rock star in the capital of Texas. From being an expert conversationist and her client list of drunk grabby Texas politicians and businessmen, she knew the dirt on *everybody*, which she gleefully shared with me, which is kind of sort of how and why I am as cynical as I am.
She used to sit in my lap stark naked and talk about Wagner’s Ring operas with me for hours, then suddenly get up and say, Excuse me for a few minutes, I have to go across the room and make a thousand dollars. And then come back 20 minutes later with more than that. Then sit down again and keep talking. The doorman used to look at me and say, Man, when I grow up I want to be you.
Hey Buzz, the Russkies agreed TOTALLY with what you said and put this thread on twitter via SPUTNIK!
Yes, I will definitely use that track as the b.g. music in my latest indie-financed 1950s black-and-white neo-Cassavettes film about how de whole world just wring it hands and moans, and dem poleece offissas, dey dum sick dem dogs on a po’ Black! man just tryin’ to get it on wif a white girl.
Lawdee! An’ also, de slabery! From 150 yeahs ago, ‘case you forget bout de slaaaaaaabery!!!!
De slaaaaaaaabery!!!11!!
I’ve posted that video at least twice here before.
In other words, I agree.
Steve Sailer has always stood for informing and educating the public about race realism and the reality of human biodiversity.
I’m not into all technical details, but I’ve read/heard that no bunker busters would be efficient in this case, having in mind that Iran’s dispersed facilities are way too deep and protected.
I had a friend who was a bottling company employee by day and a drummer by night in a very popular band in the ‘80s in a major West Coast City that isn’t LA who spent all his free time away from drumming and bottling reading. Usually high level stuff. His band never made it to the next step on the ladder and then Nirvana hit.
“Tucker—who is not the most cited Supreme Court scholar in history.”
On the constitution he is; the subject of this discussion. Why don’t you do what you keep refusing to do and give us the name of the scholar who has been cited more by the US Supreme Court? I keep asking and you keep dodging Mr. Artful Dodger.
It’s hard not to laugh at Zelenski whining about all the damage being done by war-mongering Jews.
No one’s paying him any attention.
There is a through line betwixt The Rifleman and Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia. In fact most if not all of Peckinpah’s oeuvre shares that same connection. Alfredo Garcia is the ultimate Peckinpah film in its view of the world. And this is reinforced by its Mexican settings. Bloody Sam loved Mexico.
“I’m not even sure what Steve ever stood for, so he should clear that up himself. …”
Sailer has posted a lot about his beliefs. If you still think they are unclear I doubt there is much he can do to clear things up.
It is one of those “the past is another country” things, and I reckon these days it would parse not merely as ineffective but probably downright laughable, but back in that time, from my Brooklyn days when you just *had* to have a beat-up leather motorcycle jacket, de rigueur, it was the Halloween costume of the time. I didn’t ride of course, but hey, show biz is show biz. I kept it and wore it to some minor advantage at Harvard, where believe it or not those rich mooks fell for it and I dropped a whiff of street-guy mystique (my brother used to snicker, I can’t believe those idiots think you’re a tuff guy). Well, fake it til ya make it, I didn’t have anything else to trade on. Even got a hot rich girlfriend in London off of such a cheap trick.
Anyway the first time I went to Texas it was by accident, I had a layover flight on my way to NYC and the delay was so long I said Screw it, I’ll just hole up in a hotel in Austin for the night. I had nothing to do and right down the street from the hotel was (I didn’t know this until I found it out) a quasi-swanky strip club catering to rich tech and UT hipsters, and drunk Capitol pols and their owners.
So not knowing anything about the insanely hot humid Texas climate, I was wandering around in the parking lot wearing this absurd leather jacket, looking like Johnny Ramone lost in the Congo, and this kooky Asian chick comes up to me and says, You are f#cking LOST, Tarzan. Come on in with me and I’ll fix you up.
So she brings me inside and nods to a few people and suddenly I get the VIP treatment on her say-so. Steaks appear, and they are good steaks, and a few minutes later she plops herself in my lap stark naked (there is a dress code but the Queen Bee can just ignore it) and starts an argument with me about Moby-Dick. She was like, Anyone clueless enough to be wearing a leather jacket in August in Texas must be so distracted that they’re hiding something else more interesting.
There was no sex, ever — she was married, which she quickly pointed out — so it wasn’t a Penthouse Letters thang, just the weirdest set of coincidences I had ever come across. So after that we became besties, and connoisseurs of Texas sushi and cranky coffee shops. And she explained to me the mechanics of Texas politics and Austin punk rock. She had a *lot* of dirt about GW Bush, before he became president (this was the late 90s). Maybe could have altered history if she had gone to the press. Man do I miss her.
Hunger hurts.
But starving works.
Saint Fiona
Look Corvi, you’ve become a trendsetter!
I suspect JFK learned a thing or two about Texas politics too, or at least that may have been the last thing he learned. There’s a good lesson in your interaction; just as with Watergate, whores play a central role in a lot of political dramas.
Dwight Yoakam, “She Wore Red Dresses”. Gene Watsonville, “The Note”, Rodney Crowell, “Diamonds and Dirt”. John Hiatt “Feels like Rain”.
Grown-up music.
I saw George Jones live a few years before he died. He had fallen and broken his wrist, so couldn’t hold a guitar. It obviously put him off his game. He said his latest wife had sobered him up and made him drink water. He was surprised it tasted good. He was peddling his own brand of bottled water, called “White Lightening”.
The wild bunch is one of my all time favorite movies watched it more times than I care to admit.
I hate it when Asian chicks plop on my lap naked and only are interested in talking about Melville. I mean, for crissakes, aren’t these naked Asian hotties into something else? Like Hawthorne or Poe?
Okey dokey.
Since I’ve got your attention, and since you’re probably the resident expert to ask… what is your opinion of Buffalo Trace Kentucky Bourbon Whiskey?
Although I fully endorse and support the making of good bourbon and Scottish and Irish malt whisky, it’s not really a thing that I can drink — too strong for my head, I don’t tolerate it well. But I applaud it all the same.
So somebody a while back gave me a bottle of this Buffalo Trace stuff, and I finally relented and had a glass, plain on ice. I was surprised how smooth it was, I could actually deal with it pleasantly.
But then I made the stupid mistake a few days later of mixing it with some Coca-Cola, and it was this very Jekyll/Hyde thing…. everyone knows what a Jack-and-Coke tastes like, but this was weird, it was like the bourbon and the pop had sort of chemically interacted in some bizarre ugly fashion. Was not expecting that.
Do you know anything about that? Any thoughts on bourbon in general?
That’s one of the unappealing traits of entertainers: they all end up peddling something.
Well I am a little surprised and disappointed by your lack of decorum. I just described to you a person who meant a great deal to me; regardless of what you may think personally, to refer to her in public as a “whore” was disrespectful; not just to a lady you never met, but also to me, whom you kinda-sorta have.
Perhaps you are familiar with the place that I am from. We do not take kindly to disrespect. Now I do believe in second chances, and so there ya go. I’d like things to be cordial between us in the future.
But my cousin Dee Dee, ya know, sometimes he sees things a little differently…..
https://twitter.com/AmSuppressor/status/1934742228619997419
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1934712223911563662
https://twitter.com/JohnRLottJr/status/1934638477464818032
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1934762956945797207
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1934630783236657649
They were very clear in 2000, but in later years, he worked hard to muddy his own stream.
Crazy ‘ol Sam once had a gunfight against a sinister apparition, in his own house. It turned out it was Sam himself, seeing himself in the mirrors. Solution: shoot out all the mirrors. Another time, he got re-married, while forgetting that he was still married.
In my defense I was making an allusion to the following:
“If you can’t take their money, drink their whiskey,
, and vote against ‘em anyway, you don’t belong in the Legislature” is a quote by Molly Ivins (1944-2007) that’s often attributed to
politics.
And
“More than 40 years since burglars broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C., what precisely they had hoped to obtain remains unclear. Phil Stanford, whose book White House Call Girl was released in paperback this month, believes he has a clue.”
. . .
“We don’t know for sure what the White House team was looking for, but it had something to do with the call girl ring that was servicing the Democratic National Committee, said Stanford. After years of research and interviews, Stanford concludes the break-in was actually an attempt to find sexual blackmail material linking both Democrats and Republicans to a nearby call girl operation run by a woman named Heidi Rikan.
To prove his theory, Stanford says he managed to track Rikan’s trail to her sister’s residence in Texas, where he obtained her little black book listing the names of high-profile clients. What’s more, Stanford says Rikan’s Texas connection included a stint working with the mob in Dallas during Lyndon Johnson’s presidency.”
“I’m not even sure what Steve ever stood for”
A few days ago he said on his Substack he was not going to express an opinion on the Iran-Israel war, remarking he had been thinking about the Middle East for decades, then saying “I’m tired”, and switching over to talking about golf course aesthetics. The Steve of 20 years ago, the one who said the problem with the ruling elites was their policy of invade the world-invite the world, would possibly have opposed us being involved in this, just as he thought our Iraq war and attempts at nation building was not such a good idea at that time.
As a 68 year old Boomer around the same age as Steve, to some extent I understand this. You suddenly realize you don’t have many years left on this planet. You start to feel a lowering of your energy levels. The combination of these two things leads you to want to engage in less strenuous and more enjoyable activities. I took Friday off work and spent a three day weekend of nap taking, reading a mystery novel, walking around a shopping mall, listening to the Beatles Rubber Soul album and trying a new Spanish tapas restaurant nearby. These are all pretty much old man activities. Steve thinking about golfing would fall into that same category.
DATING TIPS FOR WEIRDOS…
#5. Do NOT on a first date take your gal to see a bizarre John Moran opera at La Mama called “The Death Train of Baron von Frankenstein”. Surprisingly, not because she will get all icked out, quite the opposite: she will think, Wow, this is the weirdest first date of my life! This is so bizarre it makes for the best “How We Met” story ever! and she’s naming the children and picking out the living room drapes before the damn thing is even over with, and they haven’t even got to “The Little Retarded Boy” yet.
One time on a first date I met this girl at a dive bar in a sketchy neighborhood at 10 AM on a Sunday morning and proposed that the two of us go rob a liquor store. I had a plan for it and everything. She agreed. Ivy League chick. Worst decision ever.
In other news, now this is why I love PJ so much. I mean, is this rock n roll, or is it performance art? Probably both.
They’re pointing out to “harpoon” …
Just listen to the way the keys practically lick that melody, like a cat licking milk.
If you think you know what free margaritas and Buds as a 12-year-old sounds like, then I got a thing or two to show you, bro.
No wonder I’m a f#cking AA reject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zaY3kxkUjcw
Compare it to V. Horowitz’s schmalzy emotive takes. Can you spell Ick.
Ugh, I am so done with everybody.
Irony alert – someone called Joel W Berry tweets:
He should be reported for blatant anti-semitic posting.
There was also the theory that John Dean wanted to find out if they knew about his wife Maureen’s tawdry past.
How tawdry was it?
It’s like working in a restaurant, washing dishes backstage…
At least since landing here at TUR a decade or so ago, Sailer has been nothing more than a copium denmother for disaffected white guys skewed 40+. Aside from his HBD shtick, he’s no more insightful than the conventionally brainwashed American. This is all remains a matter of record — COVID, Ukraine, Nord Stream, and even juiced baseballs, to list just a few examples — despite his chickenshit suppression of heterodox or critical comments in favor of Establishment propagandists and, to some extent, the “Hey, $teve!” buffoons who bought in.*
Attempting to whitewash this as something recent due to his age is pathetic.
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In a discussion not long ago, you left hanging my question about whether you had sent him money. Apparently, you still do.
BSB brown sugar bourbon made here in Texas smoothest sipping bourbon I’ve ever tried. BSB is the brand name. And I don’t think curle was calling your stripper friend a whore, he was talking about whores and politicians.
“you left hanging my question about whether you had sent him money”
I think I sent Steve a seventy five dollar donation one time but it was after he had put my comments on automatic approval so I was not put on automatic approval because I was sending him money. I was also not put on automatic approval because I was agreeing with Steve on Covid or the Ukraine because I certainly wasn’t, as my comment history shows. I am very much a Ron Paul libertarian type.
Bill Nelson is one of my favorite guitarists.
“On the constitution he is; the subject of this discussion.”
But he is not the end all and be all, THE authority on the matter, as you make it out to be.
“Why don’t you do what you keep refusing to do and give us the name of the scholar who has been cited more by the US Supreme Court? “
I did already. In Comment 382 when you said “Since I’ve already provided the most cited Supreme Court scholar in history as a source”
He isn’t. It’s Richard A. Posner.
https://lawreview.uchicago.edu/print-archive/most-cited-legal-scholars-revisited
“I keep asking and you keep dodging Mr. Artful Dodger”
This is the first time you asked.
God damn, another great made up story. Keep ‘em coming! I suggest you contact Mr. Sailer’s book publisher and try to get a deal done.
Thanks for your four “Grown-up music” recommendations.
Yoakam’s live version of She Wore Red Dresses, that he and his band preformed years ago in Austin, is excellent:
I first came across Steve when he wrote for National Review. That was a long time ago, and I wasn’t even an adult, but I always felt something was off. He mentioned black dysfunction and IQ stats, which is controversial, but low-hanging fruit. Steve was just too willfully blind on many of the underlying issues of the problems that he discussed, unlike someone like Sam Francis. Maybe he just didn’t want to end up like Sam Francis. I wouldn’t know.
I was familiar with Sailer from alt-right, conservative, and WN circles way before I saw him on Unz, which was probably ten years ago. Sailer’s moderation really drove home the obvious point that he really was just a civnat and likely despised the average white just as much as someone like WFB. All of that is fine, but why publish at VDare and similar sites?
I used to be a heavy bourbon drinker, but I’ve never had Buffalo Trace. I don’t claim to be an expert. About three years ago, I decided to get back into good shape, so I cut down on alcohol, among other things. That’s why I now enjoy so much sparkling wine: I can drink it down and still never consume as much alcohol as I used to, plus I like the bubbles.
Jack Daniels, to me, has a rather light profile and therefore should mix easily. My bourbons tend to be of higher proof and stronger flavor. I like bourbon for this reason, and I used to consume large quantities of things like Knob Creek and Bookers. Now, a bottle of bourbon is an occasional treat, and I buy single barrel creations that look interesting, with high alcohol content and complex flavors. To me, comparing them to Jack is like comparing a spicy pepper to a mild one.
I just looked up your Buffalo, and it sounds very good. I bet it just has a flavor that is too complex and strong for your Coke. You shouldn’t waste something that good on a soft drink anyway. I drink my bourbons neat, and you should too.
Cheers!
Yoakam and Willie Nelson are often lumped in with C&W music, but I don’t see it. I like both and think they don’t really fit in any category.
Wikipedia says she went to a Catholic girls school in LA, and Dean was her third husband at 27. Need I say more?
I believe it was during Tucker Carlson’s interview a few months ago with one of the Nixon WH’s young lawyers that Carlson claimed she’d been a DC call girl, and I’d heard that before. I was a tween living at the other end of Alexandria at the time the Deans were what passed for a glamour couple in official Washington. There was a WaPoo or magazine spread on them at their Old Town townhouse–“Cameron Mews”–a newly fashionable area. The WWI Torpedo Factory across the street reopened as art studios/galleries in ’74. My older sister was in a squeaky clean singing group that sang at the opening.
How many Pollacks does it take to extinguish a menorah?
“Steve was just too willfully blind on many of the underlying issues of the problems that he discussed”
No, he simply said there were other authors who had more interesting things to say on matters he chose not to discuss. My vague impression is that if he commented on things like politics and religion, he couldn’t keep straight his narrative. It would get too messy. So it’s not being willfully blind, he is aware of those topics but carefully avoided them. It’s not his brand.
“Sailer’s moderation really drove home the obvious point that he really was just a civnat and likely despised the average white just as much as someone like WFB.”
First, his moderation kept at bay the likes of Greta and GermTheory and Achmed from gumming up the works, as it is evident now. Second, yes, he is a civnat. Any race and ethnicity with the right stuff can earn American citizenship, and he opposed this notion that only a certain group of whites are the “best” or “original” or “proper” Americans. Third, no, he doesn’t despise the average white person. His NOTICINGS show otherwise.
“All of that is fine, but why publish at VDare and similar sites?
He said he likes to make money. After all, he has dog food to buy and closets to renovate.
You know I’m not going to read any of that, don’t you?
I watched this yesterday. I know why you like P.J. Harvey and this video. If you’re any non-homo post-puberty male representative of the species, the reason this is worth watching (even the initial still is a tease of it) is to see the body of P.J. Harvey in that micro-bottomed white dress. The high heels help immensely, as you enjoy those beautiful legs, rear end, and too few shots of those other parts, hoping that cameraman can put that camera down to the stage to get the best possible angle on it.
Face it, that’s why we watched it, and that’s why we enjoyed it. The sound is pretty good. The melody is not that good, and the lyrics don’t matter a bit for this kind of music.*
P.J. Harvey is pretty hot in that white dress. That’s all.
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* She could just as well have been singing “foam rubber, USA” – another story, coincidentally from David Byrne, about lyrics
Tell me about it.
The band Boston had a kinda cheesy song called Don’t Look Back that was out when I left home on the first Saturday of 1979. I was eighteen and the song’s lyrics helped a lot in pumping me up for the big hitchhiking move I made that Saturday when my little brother dropped me off on the side of the highway, in far-below-freezing weather, a few miles south of Minneapolis. I had just $300 in my pocket (money I had earned), a backpack/sleeping bag, a few jalapeño-jack cheese/ guacamole sandwiches, and a magic-marker made cardboard sign that said “Florida.”
It worked out: I didn’t run out of money. After a few weeks of hitchhiking across the USA (Minneapolis – Miami – Las Vegas – Morgan City) and sleeping in fields and under overpasses I ended up getting a job working a minimum of 12-hour days/seven days a week building oil and gas rigs in The Gulf of Mexico. I turned nineteen on a rig in The Gulf. The oilfield pay I received was terrible (non-union) but I made enough to buy a used car, go to Europe for two months, and move back to California with a few bucks in my pocket to get started. 1979 turned out to be a very good year: I didn’t look back.
I haven’t heard Don’t Look Back in decades but during the tail end of ’78 and the first week of 1979 the lyrics/music of Don’t Look Back definitely helped my eighteen-year-old self make my big break – “Mission Accomplished.”
I’ve written this before, but my piece of data is opposite yours in sequence of events but similar in conclusion.
I was sending him money each year. I was being moderated for most of that time. It just flipped one day to un-moderated, but around the time of the Kung Flu, I quit sending in money. That didn’t change anything. About 3 years later, because my device was bogged down and lost the “cookie” file and possibly because I was in China (strange IP #), the software put me back on moderated. It got back working but then flipped again to moderated, and that was until the new very short mod schedule for everyone on these iSteve Community threads.
I don’t think there was a connection between moderation and money. That’s possibly not because Mr. Sailer wouldn’t do that, but because he didn’t keep track of real people sending money vs handles on the site. He’s really hard against doxxing, and having some dBase for this would not be his style.
I’m just letting the record show you’re dead wrong. That’s all. Next time, try to be accurate.
Yes, I agree on his Kung Flu panicking, the naivety on the Nordstream sabotage, and his normie take on The Ukraine*. The latter is one I really don’t get. Mr. Sailer is NOT a neocon. He’s also not some old guy who reads no history and thinks Russia still = The USSR.
I did not read Steve Sailer until ’10 or ’12 on his old site and not regularly*, yet, I read more details in his Noticing book about his stance on Iraq from that time. His take came at it from an unuusal angle. Rather than just “it’s none of our business!”, as a Libertarian and Paleo-Conservative would say, or “these people are not going to be getting Citizenship in the Nation merit badges any time soon” as a race realist would say, Mr. Sailer studied that cousin marriage angle. His take was that, no, those people were not going to be helped by being forced into a democracy as it inherently doesn’t work for them as Iraqis. That was race realism with some SCIENCE! or at least STATS! behind it.
Are you telling me that he is wrong on something baseball related?
Anyway, he’s done a lot of good with his writing. His writing style is very entertaining too, so any small point that could enlighted the normies is made more palatable.
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* Maybe a few times I’d read an article by him on the NR when I used to get it, but that was the mid-1990s – was he even on there then? If so, it’s not like I knew of him by name.
“Yes, I agree on his Kung Flu panicking, the naivety on the Nordstream sabotage, and his normie take on The Ukraine*.”
His take on these topics was generally spot on despite your virtue signaling to the contrary.
“He’s also not some old guy who reads no history and thinks Russia still = The USSR.”
No, it’s safe to say he is against Putin’s machinations as a former Deep Stater, pro-oligarch, and curber of open dissent.
I suppose it’s easier for you to run roughshod here over the remnants of this once robust blog rather than ply your disinformation trade on his Substack.
Still bitter after all these years that he moderated your comments. Get over it!
“he’s no more insightful than the conventionally brainwashed American.”
This is why Mr. Sailer deservedly trash canned your “pearls of wisdom” given their blatant anti-whiteness.
“another great made up story. ”
Kept ya reading though, didn’t I. Can’t say the same for you. Think about it.
Thanks for this story of your big break from home in early adulthood. It sounds like your song ought to be this one, just due to the name, even though Billy Corgan and The Smashing Pumpkins sang it in 1996. As I wrote to Germ Theory, lyrics don’t matter much. Even in ’96 the internet wasn’t much of a thing, so I wouldn’t have thought of, and probably couldn’t yet, look up the lyrics. The CC that was on auto in this video showed me the lyrics for the 1st time. No matter, it’s the
economysound and the melody, stupid! (And, yeah, the low angle shots of women in micro-dresses, when it comes to video.)BTW, I never thought of this as being in the genre of Alternative Rock until I read comments on youtube. I think more of The 10,000 Maniacs, The Ocean Blue, etc. as that genre. I’d thought of Smashing Pumpkins as another Grunge band, but I hadn’t heard much from them at the time
To my assertion regarding your denial that St George Tucker is the most cited legal authority in US Supreme Court history (my first of two references) you deny he is but refuse to state an alternative. Now you say it is Richard Posner, who is a prominent scholar of the past 20 years but not necessarily one relied on by the US Supreme Court, the entity whose opinions matter most regarding constitutional law. To give some facsimile of legitimacy to your earlier obvious lie you dug up a survey of citations of recent vintage with very little limitations to the content and covering every imaginable legal question from wills and trusts to dog law appearing in every imaginable court. Further in the summary overview you provide the ONLY reference to a Supreme Court is to the Supreme Court of ILLINOIS.
That you think you are a skilled practitioner of pilpul and dissembling is established. That you think your little misstatements, lies and dissembling is cute or funny is probable. That you are an incredible fool is certain.
Greeting, GT,
I hope this comment finds you well.
I’m probably not be the most qualified among us to comment on Buffalo Trace Bourbon, but over the years I have been through about 17½ liters of the stuff.
First off: Bourbon is for sipping.
<quick rant>
Why on earth would anyone ruin bourbon with ice? More importantly (as you learned), why on earth would anyone ruin bourbon with Coca-Cola? What sort of madness is this?
</quick rant>
Buffalo Trace is pretty decent but, in my opinion, it is a little overrated, overpriced, and sometimes hard to come by. (I think they keep the supply a little inconsistent to keep the price high. It is probably a good marketing strategy.)
After several blind taste tests I can confidently say that Evan Williams 1783 Small Batch is just as good as, or better than, Buffalo Trace. It’s about half the price and much easier to find.
(Please don’t ruin it with Coca-Cola.)
Cheers! ☮️
Well, maybe. This may not be your cuppa, and what the hey. I saw PJ on the Rid of Me tour where she played the Hollywood Palladium barefoot in a nightie, and she was utterly terrifying. One of the scariest things I ever saw, and dude I saw Priscilla Smith do Medea in Attic Greek in the basement at LaMama, I saw the Wooster Group do “L.S.D.” at the Performing Garage, you wanna talk scary, I have shall we say a frame of reference.
Rob Ellis is a very good drummer, but he holds the sticks like a f#cking caveman. I don’t think I’ve said this before, but I am not just a classically/barroom trained pianist, but a self-taught drummer, and I play the drums not with sticks but with a pair of Filson hunting knives. You gotta use the flat edges and the backs, obviously. But it adds un frisson as they say, a sniff of danger.
Hey angel come and play.
She was a sex worker. They all are but she was a middle class sex worker. They get scarlet letters when exposed.
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/britain-finally-admits-it-covered
Yes.
Mid-2015, the ball was altered at the direction of MLB so that it carried farther enough to wreck the game. Commenter Travis and I (including in my pre-handle days) posted ad nauseum while Sailer and many others nerded about moving the mound, altering the dimensions of the field, etc. Here’s one of mine posted in October 2018:
I’m pretty sure that MLB has since fessed up and maybe even redressed it — I’ve walked off and couldn’t care less — but they were lying about it for at least several years. The larger point is that Sailer wouldn’t dare to question the Establishment even on something as unimportant as sportsball.
I gather she was a good looking girl. Fair play, husband #3 age 27, and she didn’t even live in Papua New Guinea.
And there’s also this factor…
“Gehrig was great, of course. But when Gehrig was at bat, it wasn’t the same as when DiMaggio came to the plate.” – Carl Hubble
“In N.Y., they named a candy bar after Reggie Jackson. In Baltimore, they named their sons after Brooks Robinson.” – Various baseball writers
No real difference is there? That could be just about any U.S. politicians that Trump is morphing into.
It is ridiculous that Trump can stand before the world and say that Iran is more dangerous than a nation that aggressively attacks every nation that it can reach without reason or warning, and is actively committing a genocide. Who really believes that Israel with its Samson Option is more trustworthy with nuclear weapons than Iran? Where is congress? Why is nobody questioning Israel’s fitness to have nuclear weapons?
This disappearance/murder is still unsolved. She was 14:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Charlene_Downes
Those are easy. To me the number one question is why doesn’t Joe Rogan invite Jeffrey Sachs onto his show? Peter McCullogh on Rogan was the truther high point of the millennium and Joe knows it.
That was supposed to be a statement, not a question.
But nobody in the MSM is asking those questions. How is a nation that is actively committing genocide and constantly attacking half of the Middle East fit to have nuclear weapons?
Want to bet that the number of White girls molested in Britain by Southwestern and South Asians in the last thirty years exceeds as a percent of population the number of Black girls molested by White rednecks since the end of the War Between the States? Want to bet it exceeds by an order of magnitude the number of assaults on Southwest and South Asian women by Whites in Britain over the same time period but received less press coverage?
Ron’s just extending to Sailer the same courtesy that Sailer showed when he slunk off.
Seems fair enough.
Evan Williams Single Barrel is even better. It got so popular that it’s now a Kentucky-only release.
The Smashing Pumpkins song, 1979, came out while I was working in the Bremerton Shipyards, a bummer of a place that’s a one-hour ferry ride across Puget Sound from Seattle. I liked 1979 in small doses – it’s kinda whiny. The music itself, especially the backbeat, has a good feel to it, it went well with the Puget Sound weather. I didn’t see the so-so 1979 video (the kids act like jerk-off punks) until years later.
Speaking of Grunge, one of the guys I worked with in the Bremerton Shipyard was a cool dude from Aberdeen, Washington, who had once dated Kurt Cobain’s sister. He said Curt’s high-school days, the way he was treated by others, was pretty bad. I wasn’t surprised.
Where is congress?
Since Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair Charles Percy was unceremoniously booted from office in the 1984 election and AIPAC made no secret as to their role in making that happen Congress has mostly stayed silent. Professor John Mearsheimer gave this matter a book length treatment if memory serves. Everyone in DC got the message about who wears the pants in the US/Israel relationship.
29 November 2011, Donald Trump Twitter (@RealDonaldTrump):
I visited Bremerton around 1990 and liked it, nice old fashioned place with a Woolworths just like those of my childhood – wooden floors and glass partitions on the counters. Quite different to Seattle, which I also liked. The wooden door harp we bought in Pike’s Place is still inside our door.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/congress-iran-war-israel-massie/
The US Should Not Support Israel’s War on Iran, Say Democrats and Republicans
The problem with Smashing Pumpkins is that they ARE whiny, but that’s part of why they were promoted to rock star status.
Just another post Big Four grunge act who did their part in turning rock n roll from “America, Fuck Yeah!” to “Low-T-Incel/Sperg-Actualization” bait.
Cobain didn’t avoid being off-putting so I’m not surprised he rubbed classmates the wrong way. Was his behavior cause or effect? Who knows?
I don’t care for rye I’m not really a bourbon snob as you can tell I like “flavored” stuff. I even like fireball. I just like a shot before bed, relax me.
“…Aside from his HBD shtick, he’s no more insightful than the conventionally brainwashed American. This is all remains a matter of record — COVID, Ukraine, Nord Stream, and even juiced baseballs, …”
The HBD stuff is more important than the other items you mention.
“…All of that is fine, but why publish at VDare and similar sites?”
Because he wasn’t censored and at least in some cases was getting paid?
The quote is actually from Jesse Unruh a California politician. See here :
“Jesse Marvin Unruh (/ˈʌnru/, UN-roo;[1] September 30, 1922 – August 4, 1987), also known as Big Daddy Unruh, was an American politician who served as speaker of the California State Assembly and as the California State Treasurer.”
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“On lobbyists: “If you can’t eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women and then vote against them you’ve got no business being up here.”[12][13] Other versions exist, for instance “If you can’t eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them, you have no business being up here.”[14]”
https://twitter.com/TaylorDRhodes2A/status/1935035743191130401
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1934999055467430247
https://twitter.com/RealAmVoice/status/1935117727330353378
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1935064976210710626
In fairness he did introduce the spectacularly unwanted information that Churchill had his debts paid by Jews, South Africans I think. And he did yeoman duty on crime and race. And he located Obama’s LSAT score. I don’t recall how much work he did on Jussie Smollett but I think he covered that as well. And didn’t he point out that Jews with equivalent scores as Whites got into the Ivys in greater numbers?
Yea. I saw that but only included the Molly Ivins reference b/c she popularized it and associated it with Texas’s at least for my generation. I remember her being a real enemy of the Bush family and I don’t recall her crediting Unruh. It appears she only outlived Unruh by twenty years.
I see. I also get that this one was not whimmed but posted for you. I don’t doubt your take on the matter, but I’m not big enough of a baseball fan to have known anything about this. (I do get parasitic drag though…)
I have had the same experience in which I tried to teach Mr. Sailer something regarding an area that I DO know a lot about and he just kept ignoring it and going on with his take. I believe he has more faith in “established” internet writers than mere commenters. You don’t learn so much that way though.
To be fair, he has featured points made by commenters here a number of times.
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/naming-co-conspirators-in-the-cover
Steve has now expressed an opinion:
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/lets-not-go-to-war-with-iran
Port Orchard, right around the hook is beautiful in the summer – crisp air and scotch brush, and then, as in the whole area, big blackberries all over the place to be picked in August. Sequim and Port Townsend are also nice. (How ’bout that little town Port Gamble just a couple of miles east of the Hood Canal bridge? It’s soooo cute!)
Yeah, well, maybe they were Grunge, as I assumed, but then I was surprised that the band was from Chicago, not Seattle. I only listened to them first in about ’99 or ’00, after buying the twin-CD set of Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. It’s fantastic.
Something that Germ Theory might be interested in is that the cover and title suggest the subject is depression. I’ve only been like that for a couple of short periods, but I have a friend who used to be prone to that. I am not sure if drinking more or less helped, but music sure did. (A song that’s definitely about depression is The 10,000 Maniacs’ Like the Weather.)
Anyway, I’m rambling here, but yeah, as per you and Mike, I can see that some people might not like Billy Corgan’s voice, just as with Geddy Lee of Rush or Kevin Cronin of REO Speedwagon. The sound is great though. Porcelina of the Ocean Blue is my favorite. This long intro has more and more sound adding on, and then it even gets to the distorted guitar, but that’s STILL the intro. You need the sound UP here and maybe drink some of the bourbon as recommended by Adam Smith or something…. I just need the lights down and the sound up.
https://twitter.com/PerryALPHA/status/1935000740646604803
“Yea. I saw that but only included the Molly Ivins reference b/c she popularized it and associated it with Texas’s at least for my generation. …”
I grew up in California and have a vague memory of my father relating some version of the quote to my mother with something like approval. I expect my mother was less enthusiastic. This would probably have been sometime in the 1960s when Unruh was Speaker of the California State Assembly.
Oh shit. ‘90s music debate bait. I can’t resist. Here goes:
The Smashing Pumpkins is a band mostly known for its “grunge era” heyday but could be considered a versatile rock band that pulled from different genres. They often had a distinct powerful sound that earned them a place in the ‘90s zeitgeist.
Corgan indeed had voice that could be grating, breathy, and powerfully expressive alternately or at the same time. I think it ‘worked’ for the material but that’s a minor matter of taste; either you hate it or you don’t. I don’t.
Consider the track “Quiet” off Siamese Dream. Banger that holds up with Alice in Chains of that era. The lyrics are as ‘depressive’ as anything from ‘80s Metallica, but the masculine swagger of the sound is off the charts.
Corgan’s voice is sometimes shit (breaks, drops off, etc.) in this live version below, but the scene on stage and in the crowd doesn’t look “Low-T-Incel/Sperg-Actualization” to me, more like (ironically) “America, Fuck Yeah!” at least from the kids and young adults in the crowd, even if they weren’t conceptualizing their youth that way:
For a true rock appreciatooor like yourself (and myself), I’d say the key (then and now) to parsing the hot-and-cold grunge-era Pumpkins is to skip the overdone ‘ballads’ and assorted chaff and only play the bangers: Quiet, Zero, Bullet With Butterfly Wings are ‘angry young man’ metal standards (if the latter two are a bit on the self-aware cheesy side).
Now, forgetting the grunge era Pumpkins: If Corgan’s voice is not a deal breaker, best concentrated power Pumpkins (with notably more mature lyrics) are these four tracks from 2000’s Machina/The Machines of God previously mentioned here:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/we-appreciate-power/#comment-2718848 (#129)
YouTube album playlist link:
Back to the ‘90s sidenote comparison:
The similar art direction (videos) and subject matter (but different vibes) of the songs of Metallica’s “The Unforgiven” (1991) and the Pumpkins’ “Disarm” (video 1994): Both bringing ‘depressive’ material to the ‘90s MTV mainstream, but with equal ‘of interest’ merit (in small doses) IMO. In the latter video, having incredible shots of the enigmatic, petulant ice queen bassist D’arcy Wretzky sure don’t hurt, either.
Final note: Rock and metal always has had its introspective/morose side, often with pretty good results. As with any expressive art, sometimes you gotta take the overwrought with the inspired. Like this 1992 track by Iron Maiden.
“The problem with Smashing Pumpkins is that they ARE whiny,”
Oh they’re downright unlistenable.
From what I’ve heard whispered around backstage, Billy Corgan in person is actually a really good guy, a really decent bloke. Props to him. Technically I think he is a very talented guitarist; it’s just that I don’t like his vision. His conception rubs me the wrong way; but other people seem to like it, so maybe that’s just me. Put it this way: at the same time coming out of Chicago was the blindingly brilliant Liz Phair, and the pretty okay dudes Urge Overkill (“Saturation” is an underrated classic.)
In other news, the weather at the comedy club tonite was weird with a chance of weirdness. Some of the people were pre-professional types, coolly polishing their set for their big chance at the Cellar, but it kind of blew up in their faces because too-well-polished looks fake. A tough circle to square.
Some people were just naive college retards who got onstage on a dare, bombed, but didn’t really give a rat’s.
I think the promoters are finally on to me, in the sense that they’ve sussed I’m actually a pro. They keep putting me on very close to last at the end of the night: whether to just get rid of me or whether to bat cleanup, I cannot tell.
It was an interesting night: the two guys who went before me were so terrible, and bombed so enormously, I didn’t quite know what to do in their wake. So just on a hunch I ditched what had been my pre-selected Uncle Germ whack-job story for the night, and just started talking about being homeless and living in MacArthur Park, I wasn’t really going for laughs, it was just what I felt like talking about. Some of it was not at all funny.
What I got was what any good avant-gardista really wants: not approval, but a kind of puzzled stunned silence. They weren’t laughing, but I could tell that they also weren’t bored or annoyed: they were deeply engaged, they really wanted to know what happened next. Which is better in my view than getting a laff by saying DONALD TRUMP IS A DUMB RACIST POOPY-HEAD!
I am in poor health, my knees are shot, and so I have to be helped on and off stage unfortunately. As I was getting helped off, I could hear a few wags in the back row starting up a chant of The-ory! The-ory! (or whatever my real name actually is, you get the idea.)
So that was a bit of sumfin.
I think the saying is outdated at least as regards Israel’s interests at the national level. If they set you up with women they will film it. If you cross them taking their money or not they will remove you from office one way or the other.
My biggest memory of this band was they had a Japanese guy, James Iha, on lead guitar which seemed like he was some kind of a first though I suppose that’s unlikely. My second memory is they had one or two songs I’d remember if they were played on the radio but I never bought one of their albums and can’t recall the names of their hits.
I don’t think there is any desire among the general public in this country to do a repeat of the Iraq war and invade Iran and try to set up a western style democracy there. Steve appears to agree on that. Obviously, Trump is doing what the Jewish lobby here in the U.S. wants but I would not put the blame solely on them. The military-industrial complex is very powerful. A company like Raytheon wants American involvement in foreign wars for the same reason a company like Pfizer wants mandated Covid vaccines: more profits that way.
Early presidents starting with Washington expressed a desire to stay out of permanent alliances and maintain neutrality because not doing so would lead to us being dragged into foreign wars. They also opposed large standing armies as not being compatible with a vision of a country with limited government. We came out of WW II as an empire. The Founders had looked to the Roman Republic, not the Roman Empire, as their model. They had no desire for America to become a vast despotic empire ruling the world.
One neo-nazi.
Equally unfortunate is that none of the Jews present dealt with the nazi in a fit and proper fashion.
Yet Sailer posted about them extensively, amplifying the Establishment narratives. During the COVID dempanic, he and the likes of Jack D even helped to nudge HBD fanboys into crapshots with propaganda about higher rates of vaxx hesitancy among blacks, “Arabs,” etc. (You and I discussed this last year, starting here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/pete-rose-rip/#comment-6794330.)
He wasn’t just telling you guys what you wanted to hear.
I used to f#cking *hate* Van Morrison.
Or worse than that, I didn’t exactly hate him, it was more like on some HP Lovecraft Edgar Allan Poe thing, I could not *understand* him. He seemed like he was from some other rather stoopid dimension: sloppy, thoughtless, weird-but-not-the-good-kind-of-weird, Sorry Guy But You’re Not Dylan or Lennon, You’re Not Even Beefheart, yet everybody else loved him, so I thought, There must be something wrong with me.
So one time I called up the Queen of Texas Avant-Garde Hotels, Liz Lambert, and pitched to her people the idea of the Zombie-Proof Hotel. They said, Yeah we already thought of that, we gamed it out and ran the numbers, and even though it’s a great idea, if you’re really sticking to the premise and not selling it out, sadly, you can’t really make it work.
So in annoyance I took up a week-long residency at Liz’s flagship hotel, the Saint Cecilia in Austin….
https://www.bunkhousehotels.com/hotel-saint-cecilia
the best hotel on the planet. The premise is: it’s a restored Victorian mansion set on about three acres of pristine goodness right in the heart of Austin TX, and NOBODY is allowed on the premises except for the registered guests. Which turns it into this odd little ad-hoc commune.
So I was there working on this weird Jackie Chan thing, and the idea occurred to me: they have old-fashioned turntables and 70s-era stereo kits in all the rooms, and a vast library of old-timey 33-1/3 vinyl LPs… NOW is the time to sequester myself for a day or two with just me and Van Morrison LPs and a bottle of vodka, and figure out just what this a$$hole is all about.
So I did. Like this….
In the middle of my Van Morrison Ordeal, I get a knock on the door, and it’s this beautiful naked chick from La Commune a la Liz, and she says Hey we’re all going skinny-dipping down at the pool, wanna come? And I said, Sorry but I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF MY VAN MORRISON NIGHTMARE AND CANNOT BE DISTURBED!!11!!!
Wasn’t that the stupidest thing anyone’s ever said.
Long story short, now I think Van’s okay. Still not Dylan or Lennon or even Beefheart. But at least now I get it.
Patriot-American.
https://twitter.com/BaderUpp/status/1935228784673964149
Talking of which, the likes of Jack D have been remarkably quiet as America prepares to trash the last of the seven countries…
Back in Van The Man Land…
As always, Tori for the kill-shot.
You can’t beat a girl who did both the conservatory and the bar circuit. That is some impenetrable armor right there. Even President Billie is out of luck trying to pierce that.
Steve’s latest biweekly Taki’s Magazine piece:
https://www.takimag.com/article/a-return-to-nurture/
https://archive.is/5hEIO
Steve made a Substack post on his Taki’s piece:
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/is-nurture-returning-to-dominance
I went to see if you were still playing minion for that bigoted Brit, John Derbyshire. Wow, Uncle Sam’s favorite adopted nephew and grand old man of the Diffident Right has finally signed off.
Can Sailer pick up that much more Subslack?
Well guys I’m way to old to discuss any of these bands, I might recognize some of the songs if I heard them on the oldies station but that’s it. Living in the boonies you’re not exposed to this.
https://twitter.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/1935051459797856759
“Israel’s attack on Iran exposed a hidden network. For 25 years, India’s RAW and Israel’s Mossad have worked together using Indian tech workers across the Gulf as quiet access points into sensitive infrastructure. This network runs through millions of Indian expats in places like the UAE, Saudi, and Qatar, many working in telecom, banking, airports, and ports. Big firms like TCS, Wipro, and L&T help keep this system running behind the scenes.”
This may explain the mass importation of Indian tech workers, post-2000.
“To my assertion regarding your denial that St George Tucker is the most cited legal authority in US Supreme Court history (my first of two references) you deny he is but refuse to state an alternative.”
JFC, I did. Right from the jump. In Comment 382.
“Now you say it is Richard Posner”
Right, again, in Comment 382.
“who is a prominent scholar of the past 20 years but not necessarily one relied on by the US Supreme Court, the entity whose opinions matter most regarding constitutional law.”
Richard Allen Posner is an American legal scholar and retired United States circuit judge who served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit from 1981 to 2017. A senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, Posner was identified in The Journal of Legal Studies as the most-cited legal scholar of the 20th century. As of 2021, he is also the most-cited United States legal scholar of all time. He is widely considered to be one of the most influential legal scholars in the United States.
“To give some facsimile of legitimacy to your earlier obvious lie you dug up a survey of citations of recent vintage with very little limitations to the content and covering every imaginable legal question from wills and trusts to dog law appearing in every imaginable court.”
The source I cited is from the University of Chicago.
Disprove the author’s work rather than lamely mischaracterize it.
“Further in the summary overview you provide the ONLY reference to a Supreme Court is to the Supreme Court of ILLINOIS.”
The source clearly states the U.S. Supreme Court—“This Essay presents a list of the fifty most-cited legal scholars of all time, intending to spotlight individuals who have had a very notable impact on legal thought and institutions”.
In fact…
https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/new-most-cited-legal-scholars-list-includes-big-names-few-women-2021-11-10/
“That you think you are a skilled practitioner of pilpul and dissembling is established.”
Every accusation from you is a confession.
“I have had the same experience in which I tried to teach Mr. Sailer something regarding an area that I DO know a lot about and he just kept ignoring it and going on with his take”
My vague impression os that you came across ham-fisted, so he thought why bother.
Anyways, the most important point now moving forward is to stop Trump with his murderous plans to accelerate war in the Middle East. See, Trump is trying to convince low-information Evangelicals that when he makes the inevitable decision to go to war with Iran it was because God directly told him to do so.
Wait, why would you care, you’re not even Christian.
Ya know, nowadays they got this thing called YouTube where if you click on the links you can hear the music… sometimes even a video plays in sync as well !
Understandable. My comment is aimed at Gen X’ers who probably would have had strong opinions about what was on major market radio and MTV back in the 1990s.
How many immigrants and refugees would be fleeing shit hole countries if the military bank establishment was not shitting all over their home countries?
If they drop nukes on Iran we are going to get 10 million Iranian immigrants refugees minimum like a cherry on top of what has already been made. This is like a Simpsons episode it is so stupid.
A commenter above (Pericles) described one of your muses (Patti Smith) as a “fag hag”. Considering your cringe choices of unending music spam, I think he’s onto something…
“Steve has now expressed an opinion:”
Indeed, he did. But he began his piece with his typical “I haven’t been paying much attention to all” nonsense, which means he has been paying close attention. He just didn’t want to be bothered with the topic hanging over his head, so he quickly commented on it.
Thanks for the story. If the wags in the back know your name (and are chanting it!) it seems likely the people running the place know who you are. Right?
If you are interested, I know something about that topic. Though it obviously depends on the specific issues involved. In my case some combination of collagen/gelatin/glycine (glycine is a quarter to third of the other two) worked wonders on my knees as well as those of a friend. Idea is to build up the soft tissue (especially cartilage) with the nutrients comprising it.
Ah c’mon, lighten up there a wee bit laddie-o.
If you can’t be a douchebag on the internet, then where in blazes is there *left* to go and be a douchebag? Ya gotta go and be a jackass somewhere, or else you’ll go quite mad.
“I am a reasonable man, but there’s limits.” — Brendan Behan
Isn’t the word “cringe” so cringe by now, that the word itself is also cringe? Get it together, right on right on.
And if you think Patti is just a…. what’s your term of art? “fag hag”? (why? because she hung around with Mapplethorpe?) then you’re missing out on all the fun. Well actually I mis-spoke; in reality all the fun was over and done with some time around 1991. It was a trip dude, sorry ya missed it.
Well, I know nothing of Priscilla Smith, Medea in Attic Greek, LaMama, the Wooster Group, or the Performing Garage, though I do know what LSD is. Any of that New York* stuff doesn’t concern me. However, I AM interested in what you meant by “terrifying”. Is that some new slang for HOT! or do your really mean it that way?
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* Or was all that Los Angeles?
I think because Mr. Derbyshire’s articles/diaries/podcast-transcripts were written for VDare, since a half a year after that shut down, Ron Unz ended the publishing of his writings. (He also did either his last podcast (Radio Derb) or last diary, one.)
However, his writing can be found here. The website format looks like it’s straight outta 1997, but then Peak Stupidity looks like something outta ’02 maybe.
I’m reading Mr. Derbyshire’s review of a 2nd Paul Midler book about China right now. Mr. Derbyshire is a professional writer, no matter what you don’t like about his positions.
Using the word “cringe” as a noun, and same with “cope”, has always been cringy, and maybe using it as an adjective as I just did is slightly so too!
That is something that’s always pissed me off when reading things from the Millenitards.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
It’s going to get a whole lot worse very very fast.
Do you really want an answer?
Kate Bush reigns supreme in this niche and has for a long time. She can dance too.
“However, I AM interested in what you meant by “terrifying”. ”
Everybody’s different of course, but for me “terrifying” is an artistic technical term, a term of art: I mean something that shocks you and wakes you up into reality suddenly: examples include Gloucester’s opening monologue in Richard III, or this…
Some of Robert Schumann’s piano solo works are “terrifying” in a way that the equally brilliant Franz Shubert’s are…. not. Speaking in work terms, I deploy the term “terrifying” only on occasion, as a spike in the matter. It is a way of saying, “NOW that I’ve got your attention….” Priscilla Smith DEFINITELY got my attention.
The scariest thing I ever did, the thing which made my reputation so to speak, was in a manner something like “terrifying”.
“Is that some new slang for HOT! or do your really mean it that way?”
Put it this way: when I got onstage at the comedy club the other night, here is how I opened:
“I have two questions for the room tonight. The first is, Any Billie Eilish fans here? (SCATTERED APPLAUSE) Okay great we have some Billie love.
My second question for you is: show of hands — how many people here have ever had a loaded revolver shoved in their mouth by a naked crazy man?
True story. Gets people to sit up straight.
Unz usually obscures the reasons for departures from the roster.
I suspect that — like Sailer, Lang, Napolitano, Engelhardt, Linh, Hopkins, and Reed — Derbyshire left of his own accord.
I remember being inside that Woolworths several times while I was living in Bremerton in ’95/’96. Specifically, I remember a middle age man who worked there telling me about how messed-up the locals were. He said he had asked a customer the benign “How’s it going?” and the dude used that “in” to go on and on about his hemorrhoids. Thinking back on it, it was kinda funny.
Don’t get me wrong, Bremerton was good to me, especially financially: lot’s of overtime hours in the shipyard and the rent, a WWII-era bungalow one block from The Yard with utilities, was cheap, around $300. But downtown Bremerton was DEAD! The only day I ever had off was, most of the time, Sunday (we often worked seven days a week), and when I had that Sunday off I’d never spend it in Bremerton, I’d ALWAYS take the ferry across The Sound to Seattle, which was a fun place to visit back then.
After a solid year of working in gloomy/rainy Bremerton the same company hired me for a military-base job in Oahu, Hawaii. It was an excellent two and a half year gig (great pay, an apartment in Waikiki, lot’s of surfing), but that’s another story.
No, but even if it did, which it doesn’t, it is irrelevant. The source is not a survey of Supreme Court citations much less Supreme Court citations relating to the nature of the Union much less Supreme Court citations from the early years of their jurisprudence when the structure of the Union was being litigated. That Posner is cited frequently on all kinds of issues of recent concern is because he’s a recent source and writes on numerous recent economic matters occurring in innumerable forums but this tells us nothing about his relative ranking in terms of Supreme Court decisions. It only tells us that forums and legal commentary publications have grown with the growth in population since the 18th century. That the survey includes the entire panoply of legal commentary the vast majority of which never see a federal courtroom means you are confused in your thinking except for the more reasonable conclusion that you are simply being your pilpul self once again. You aren’t fooling anyone dumbass.
Yeah, the Puget Sound area is beautiful. Unfortunately I didn’t have a car at that time and, with working so much, I also didn’t have time to see much besides the shipyard dry dock and, after the ferry ride across The Sound (which was always enjoyable), Seattle. Regardless, I’m very familiar with The Puget Sound-type natural environment: I got the Bremerton job from the same boss who hired me for the Juneau, Alaska, job, one of the many jobs I had during my 26 years of laborious, outdoor, work – logging, civil construction, fish-pass building, commercial fishing, etc. – in Alaska.
Good to hear that your small bouts of depression happened only a few times, only for short periods, and, most of all, in the past. I’ve been greatly disappointed in myself, in my actions, from time to time in the past but never was, thankfully, clinically depressed.
ME: “Wasn’t that the stupidest thing anyone’s ever said.”
YOU: Do you really want an answer?
Well if you’re asking for an excuse to catalogue all the stupidest things I’ve ever said here, well then be my guest: I imagine you’ll have quite a lot of stuff to work with. Have at it, laddie!
You could probably make a sort of funny game-show out of it, if you cared to.
The storm is gone.
And the temperature’s high.
And Delight is dining
At my table.
Til I think how, how, how
Lucky we are:
Angel at my table,
God in my car.
Saint PJ
The kids I saw being bullied, picked-on, etc., when I went to public schools in California back in the ’60’s and ’70’s never deserved anywhere near the level of abuse I’ve seen them receive. I also remember that the teachers at that time did next to nothing to stop it, nearly all of them turned a blind eye.
Witnessing the often brutal abuse of the weaker students in public school is probably why I am so fast to get in fistfights with Moroccan-Muslim punks (who are less than half my age) in Brussels whenever I witness them abusing non-Muslim women (spitting in their face) and/or attacking older, weaker, non-Muslim men.
I’ve never seen Muslim-on-Muslim violence and if I did I’d probably stay out of it: Muslim punks fighting over drug territory or the gang pecking order is not my fight.
A while ago I had an unexpected phone conversation with one of my dear old accomplices from back in the Bad Old Days (and trust me, they were Bad. I mean, Really, really Bad. Old Days): she had gotten married, settled down, and had a couple of kids. Doing nicely, a married family lady in a prosperous part of NoCal. Something I never would have predicted from this former psychopath, but I was glad to hear it.
ME: Doesn’t it feel so good, just to….. not be crazy any more?
HER: Oh, God yes!!
John Derbyshire ended his Monthly Diary in December 2024, and has just ended Radio Derb on June 6, 2025.
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2024-12.html#07
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2025-06-06.html#06
Another informative, fun, thought provoking post. I’d have liked to have been at that comedy club to hear you but having you here at The Unz Review is plenty good enough.
You wrote:
What I have to say below is in line with what “res” posted to you. It’s a little more food for thought:
My dad recently died and when I went to the USA early last March to spend three months helping my mother I found two large cases of NativePath “Collagen Peptides” that my dad had ordered, over $500 worth, in the garage.
Besides vitamins and quality food I’ve never bought health products, but I didn’t want my dad’s money to go to waste so I followed the directions and religiously put a scoop each day (25 scoops per container) into one of my morning cups of coffee to see what would happen. After a container or two I noticed the difference. Without thinking, I’d do deep squats and other extreme, maximal, and most importantly, fluid movements with my body in the course of the day, movements that I haven’t done in several years.
I particularly remember the body contortions I made at Walmart while in the act of grabbing a few large containers of coffee that were far back and down on the lowest shelf. I remember thinking immediately after the fact, “This is the way I used to always move – effortlessly. It’s the same way I’ve moved, until recently, all of my life.”
That was the moment when I knew it worked.
I flew back to Portugal at the beginning of this month, bringing four containers of Collagen Peptides with me. It’s enough to keep my body experiment going until I fly back to the USA in late September, where the other case of collagen is waiting for me in the garage. I’ll use all of it, take another honest assessment of how I physically feel, then, as I go without, see if I start feeling a worsening of flexibility/fluidity in my movements. If I feel a physical deterioration in my joints I’ll start buying the product myself; at a cost of about $1.50/day it’ll be worth it.
“though I do know what LSD is.”
Sure, that’s Lake Shore Drive.. but it’s in Chicago. 🙂
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Regarding this comment:
“Corgan’s voice is sometimes shit (breaks, drops off, etc.) in this live version below, but the scene on stage and in the crowd doesn’t look “Low-T-Incel/Sperg-Actualization” to me, more like (ironically) “America, Fuck Yeah!” at least from the kids and young adults in the crowd, even if they weren’t conceptualizing their youth that way:”
I was talking about the message, not the fan reaction. By the early/mid 1990’s, the Gen X dye had already been cast and crowds were there to rock, not hate themselves. Like a previous President’s econ policies, the effects were most apparent during the next term/generation
Contrast your link with two recent shows I’ve seen: Shinedown/Three Days Grace, and Tool. All three bands rock pretty hard. Us older Gen X’ers are older and pretty much just lightly band our heads to the beat, but the millennials? They just stand there, like they don’t know how to act.
I have nothing personal against SP, but my exposure is limited to the handful of their tunes that played constantly on FM radio back in the day. Wasn’t my thing. I know Billy is talented; I remember reading he wrote all the tunes and played all the instruments for the recordings.
You Got That Right!:
“Low-T-Incel”-energy? Ted wouldn’t approve:
“No, but even if it did, which it doesn’t, it is irrelevant.”
It is, and it completely relevant. You got f—- exposed as a liar.
“The source is not a survey of Supreme Court citations much less Supreme Court citations relating to the nature of the Union much less Supreme Court citations from the early years of their jurisprudence when the structure of the Union was being litigated”
These are red herrings. The fact of the matter is that you’re wrong about Tucker.
“That the survey includes the entire panoply of legal commentary the vast majority of which never see a federal courtroom”
Another red herring.
“means you are confused in your thinking except for the more reasonable conclusion that you are simply being your pilpul self once again”
Now you’re just flailing here.
The comments section was excellent whilst Steve was boss. It would be best if the three comment per however many hours it was needs to be reinstalled. A guy like Germ could use the structure to hone his material to sharp point and eliminate the repetition.
Like clockwork Tool plays every October in my California town. My buddy from the wayback keeps trying to get me to break my no crowds rule to see Tool. I still listen to the heavies from the 90s but mainly my ears are adjusted to the old Europeans now — Sibelius, Debussy, Bach, Tchaikovsky, ect. But Tool is something else. Primal. And I wonder how that charge will feel absorbing Adam Jones’s guitars in the wild.
I’ll have to try me some of that Virgil Kaine rye whiskey while listening to The Band’s song, The Night They Drove Ol’ Dixie Down. That’ll be after I’ve knocked off from a hard days work of oyster harvesting/shucking.
“Virgil Kaine is my name and I served on the Danville train”:
The fall of Richmond:
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A bit off topic: With what’s going on between Trump, Israel, and Iran, Americans might soon get a little taste of the suffering Southerns like Virgil Kaine, and especially The South’s soldiers, went through at the tail end of America’s Civil War.
America needs a thorough culling of costly, quality-of-life-destroying, deadweight. It’d have been a whole lot better/easier/more merciful if it had been done years ago by targeted mass deportations of illegals, instead of through the inevitable mass violence a destroyed economy and lawlessness will bring. When the food stamps/SNAP cards stop, when there’s little food to steal or buy, all hell will break loose.
Today’s hodgepodge of so-called “Americas” have NOTHING like the solidarity of shared predicament Southerners felt when their world violently fell apart. Today’s “Americans,” especially the ones in the inner city, will tear each other apart the day the food runs out.
Those who like the music of a certain age might be interested in the archives of the defunct Disc magazine. Here are the 1965 editions:
https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Disc/1965/
“Us older Gen X’ers are older and pretty much just lightly band our heads to the beat, but the millennials? They just stand there, like they don’t know how to act.”
Reminds me of when, pretty much at the height of punk popularity, AC/DC did their first UK tour.
The BBC put them on their “Sight And Sound” show, in front of a student audience who were expecting to see The Sensational Alex Harvey Band.
AC/DC ripped the place up, and the students knew not what to make of them. Polite applause after each song, zero headbanging. When they went into the audience they looked petrified – “who are these odd guys?” “That guy’s got tattoos !”.
Thanks for the good vibes and the tips. And I am sorry to hear about the loss of your father: my condolences, even though it is distant.
I’m a believer in object lessons. While I was standing outside the club, waiting for the open-mic sign-up list to get started (like hey I’m such a joe), I found myself chatting with this cute chick who was also going to go on. Just in conversation, I told her some weird little story about my days as a Boy Scout, and she started just riffing on it, and everything she said was really fresh and funny. So I said, That stuff is great, you should use that when you go on later! And she said, Nah, I’m still trying to polish my set, I have a whole thing that I really want to get tight.
And later when she went onstage her set was technically good, but so rehearsed it sounded awful and faked, and she sank like a rock. Shoulda used the crazy off-the-cuff Boy Scout stuff like I told her.
To the extent I’ve had some facsimile of the offer you received and turned it down it was with a gf and not some exotic stranger which really isn’t even approximately the same thing. I was annoyed by the strings that came with the offer and decided to stand up for myself which really didn’t get me anywhere.
Give up while you are behind.
Cute Mr. Pilpul. Even if you weren’t engaging in scattershot poo tossing (your norm), you are too incompetent to know either way.
We are screwed no natter who wins the war between Israel and Iran, unless the U.S. government shuts the border to any refugees or dual citizens. Could you imagine taking in millions of Israelis? I’d rather have blacks and Mexicans than those stupid douchbags!
“I’m a believer in object lessons.”
Then Taylor is your go-to girl…..
Suspension/resolution: textbook. Check.
Tonal consolidation: Check.
Lyrically tight and expressive: Check.
Can kill President Billie in a Rock-‘Em-Sock-‘Em Battle of the Galactic Cosmic Queens? Sorry, but answer is uncertain, and anyway we’d have to invent a time-travel machine so Tori and PJ could get in the ring too.
This is EXCELLENT, thanks for posting!
Really, no fun (for you) since ’91 ?! That’s a long time back. My condolences. 🙁
Au contraire. “Cringe” as adjective/noun is an efficient neologism that’s pretty keyed.
I saw Tool at the … uh Irvine Pavilion (IIRC) back in 2001 then again in 2022. Their early stuff was absolutely primal, not just stylistically but lyrically as well.
Not sure if you’ve listened to their latest, Fear Inoculum, but the complexity of the songs (the shortest song is 11 minutes) might peak the interest of some of those classic European guys you mentioned.
I’ll stop now because I can go on and on about Tool the way Germ goes on about President Eyelash.
Don’t mean to pry, but why? Besides crowds frowning on nudity, I mean….
“I’ll have to try me some of that Virgil Kaine rye whiskey while listening to The Band’s song, The Night They Drove Ol’ Dixie Down. That’ll be after I’ve knocked off from a hard days work of oyster harvesting/shucking. ”
A year or so ago Sailer did a blog post about The Band’s The Night They Drove Ol’ Dixie Down, so that was the reference I was making. I love the song as well. As an aside, I have had about a half a bottle of VK Rye once. Not bad at all.
Heck even the 80’s glam metal bands had, despite their feminine image, had a more Alpha male message than people might remember: Stay up all night, bang hot chicks, dump hot chicks for different hot chicks, party all night, get into fights, not take shit from anyone, etc.
Some of it promoted excess and degeneracy sure, but at least they didn’t sing about how they and everything around them sucked… in every damn song they wrote.
“the way Germ goes on about President Eyelash.”
Now now, let’s at least get our terminology straight.
Billie is merely President (with Taylor and Kate Bush as her direct executive enforcers).
Patti Smith is Celestial Emperess of the Galactic Empire; Tori and PJ are the high priestesses of the Bene Gesserit Order, with Sinead and Emmylou as their supernatural spiritual guides.
Chrissie Hynde is the leader of the Rebellion.
Cindy Wilson is sitting somewhere on the sidelines, munching popcorn and laffing her ass off.
Sorry to hear that. Don’t give up, though. If the knees aren’t completely shot, a good physical therapist could help. Be patient and work through the pain, and you might be surprised how much improvement you can make.
If your knees are shot, you might want to look at knee replacements. I know several people who have had good results. My brother-in-law had a knee replaced and is now doing long bike rides and gets around better than he did with his bad knee.
Smashing Pumpkins is best when the songs are guitar forward. When Corgan thinks he can sing, things turn to shit. Not that I’ve listened to their whole oeuvre. Hummer and Mayonnaise off Siamese Dreams are great, guitar-centric tunes.
I’ve used Votaren on my bad knee, works great for arthritis I walk the dog 3 miles a day.
There are those of us who can be triggered by large crowds, I try to avoid those kinds of situations because I don’t want to lose my shit. I’m getting better but I still avoid crowds.
Not a huge Tool fan, but have to give them their due. Sober is a top 10 of the 90s song, along with Would by Alice In Chains.
“Cute Mr. Pilpul”
You’ve completely debased yourself by substituting argument for ad hominem. Well done!
Well I totally misread the terrifying reference. PJ gives me the feel of some medieval witch, with bangs. I had read an interview of Marianne Faithful not too long before her passing, and you could feel the fear she experienced when working on some project with PJ, like the last bit of Faithful’s creative juices were being wrung out by Harvey.
Then, you sing a slow ballad about how tough that life is. I’m talking Bob Segar’s Turn the Page. OMG! People at the diner made fun of his long hair! Anyway, Bob Segar made some great music, too, but, thanks YAA! for that old AC/DC show.
I’d thought Homer Simpson, well his writers, were the first to do that spinning-on-the-floor move that Angus does at ~33 min in here. No, this was before The Simpsons. I guess the audience saw this guy in his school outfit going up the aisle playing guitar and thought WTF?! Ha. I had that much energy back in the day, but alas, I wasn’t in a rock-roll band. I’d have been glad to trade places with Bob Seger, but I don’t know, I figured, nah, I’ll stay in school, cause it’s a long way to the top if you wanna’ Rock & Roll.
As if the song isn’t great already, then Bon Scott adds the freaking bagpipes. Bagpipe rock, out in the streets of HuWhite late 1970’s Melbourne or Sidney, Australia. Look at the bystanders and also think back on that Oakland Skynyrd concert that people embed from youtube a lot.
Dude, I think you are a good guy and I wish you the best.
I think possibly you only gave the song a cursory wink, and you don’t know what “Bells for Her” is really about, and I hope you never have to know. It’s not just death, which everyone has to deal with sooner or later, it’s a little more than that.
But anyway have a great day, and now, something chippier!!
I’m not even sure I’d have called it depression, just loneliness a couple of times when I was with a bunch of new people I didn’t know.
Even if it had been something serious, I would never have gone to a clinic. I mean, I’d have had to get up, put on socks and shoes, go outside in that gloomy weather … ahhhh, shit, let me just sleep another couple of hours, nothing is worth doing … the clinic is too far … ;-}
My friend, OTOH, he got into this 10,000 Maniacs song, along with plenty more of their music and other alternative rock. I’m am really disappointed in wiki, as the page – I just wanted to get the song name correct earlier – purports to tell us that the song is just about not liking to get outside in bad weather. WTH? Who writes this stuff? He must have missed the key lyrics.
Great sound. It’s not just Miss Merchant – she had a great band. This is from In My Tribe – almost ALL good songs on that album:
They say that that gloomy weather in the PNW (and SE Alaska) with the short winter days causes depression. I don’t know, but those long summer days with views of that big ice-cream cone of a mountain floating to the south surely make up for that.
Yeah, the ferry’s a blast.
Yeah, I can’t even remember what pair of pants I wore to work today, or if I even wore pants at all.
Be prepared to do a lot of correcting of terms.
Thanks,
I was a fan of Korn 25 years ago, but their tunes don’t age well for the most part, but Jonathan Davis was a bagpipe player and does a pretty cool intro to this more “epic” effort by the band (you only need to listen to the first minute or so):
Well, I
begdemand to differ. To Sheila is a song I heard first more recently. For Germ Music Theory, how about a song that doesn’t resolve to the tonic till something like 3 minutes in?!“Be prepared to do a lot of correcting of terms.”
Always.
When people ask me about Patti Smith’s “Gloria in Excelsis Deo” (which they do. more than you’d think), I say: You have to understand it as a song of triumph. Of getting to the top of Everest, and then looking around screaming. You can think about it as being about cheap lezbo sex, which it also is, but that’s not really what Patti is trying to do here. Sure, it is at first a song of step-by-step sexual conquest, but that’s not really what she’s after. She is hunting Big Game, like Bono did for once in his life with Trip Thru Your Wire. Or Bruce did with Born To Run (it’s not about jogging.)
Back in the Pleistocene, I dated a girl who was a ballerina. One time I walked her up to her class at the Harvard Science Center, which is sort of on the north side of the campus, and I was on my way up to the Yen-Ching Library to do… oh fuck you don’t want to know what I was doing.
Anyway at the door I planted on her one of those red-hot kisses that you remember the rest of your life, and then off she went to study. I stood there watching as she flew down the hall, doing her pirouettes and leaps and crazy ballerina stuff, and I thought, Man. This is what I came here for.
I was going to add I no longer sleep with the 1911 under the pillow
How about this for gloomy causing depression: imagine yourself 17 with a pregnant 16 year old wife living in a shack on the West Texas plains in March with the winds howling and the dust blowing and she’s sick. Knew a guy draft dodger went to Europe I picked him up at the airport in Dallas after Carter gave the dodgers amnesty it was a dreary cold March day grey overcast wind blowing he said “now I remember why I left”.
You would have to make a coherent point for us to have an argument. You 1) don’t know enough about the subject matter to speak coherently; 2) you know enough about sophistry to use it repeatedly and to think nobody is paying attention; 3) you’ve yet to speak to the subject at hand; Supreme Court decisions; 4) You are such a buffoon that you don’t realize that the Supreme Court doesn’t cite much to current era commenters as they did in the early era where Blackstones Commentaries, which was the Gold Standard of legal analysis as it was previously in the colonies, ruled the roost and that Tucker’s overview of the constitution was the Gold Standard for understanding that document. Blackstone’s Commentaries was taught to law students throughout the colonies and the new states. Posner, in contrast, broke ground for using ECONOMIC analysis that was used in lower court opinions mainly where functional decisions are needed (how do stock derivatives work in practice, that kind of thing). Posner was and is openly scornful in his private comments regarding textual analysis, the very thing that the Supreme Court, and Tucker, are most concerned with. In other words, Posner made his reputation as a nuts and bolts functionalist (how things, “the economy”, work in practice, whose impact has been primarily if not exclusively at the lower court level. A classic argument that demonstrates Posner’s focus; he is known for arguing against DUI laws because he believes that the punishment regime fails to factor in that most drunk driving injuries are to the drunk driver themselves. Posner doesn’t give a shit about constitutional textual analysis and has said as much. Lower courts need to understand the real world effects of economic laws to make economic objectives work in practice and for a time Posner’s comments were sought out. That’s diminished over the years as more lawyers have become more literate in economics.
A textualist asks different questions; what do these old words in the constitution mean? To argue as you seem to want to do that the specialists in textual analysis, the US Supreme Court, are citing to Posner, probably the most well known avoider of textualism as an authority on textualism is simply bat shit crazy. Not only does the modern court avoid such references in general but were they to do so they wouldn’t be citing to Posner on textualism and he’d be the most surprised were they to do so.
Just got around to reading your Sweden post. Since music has taken over this thread, see below video of The Knife’s, Pass it On. Swedish band. Female impersonator lip syncing to room of immigrants. I actually like the song, but . . . well, I’ll let the video do its work. Not ABBA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UeQLO43a2Y&pp=ygUUcGFzcyBpdCBvbiB0aGUga25pZmU%3D
https://twitter.com/TaylorDRhodes2A/status/1935332662345920726
https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/1935373323887853773
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1935475111844315250
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1935360059422425272
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1935382070676574368
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1935442480486388168
Yeah, the song’s alright, MGB. I’m gonna past in the video (you have to strip off everything after the 11-digit code that comes after “v=” (for video =) mainly because that gives some context to the comments from youtube, which can often be a real hoot:
Yeah, you go ahead and hope away. Another silly dupe:
More, in order:
BINGO! Thanks, 3-years-ago guy!
OK, the video:
Now, compare the FAKE audience at the center for foreign retards with the REAL Norwegian (I think) audience watching ABBA half a century ago. Note the dark-haired girl who pulls out her Polaroid about a minute in! Or just keep watching Agnetha and Ani-Frede.
The first time I went to Sweden was in the late 80s and it was really nice. When I arrived in the town I was visiting, the old train station was the typical yellow and everything was gleaming from the almost midsummer sun. The people were friendly and everything was idyllic. Even the drunk who walked up to me in the station was friendly. He introduced himself in English and jammed a knife blade into the coin slot in the old payphone on the wall, which then paid out like a jackpot. That was a great time. The town I was in hardly had foreigners, and Stockholm was still nice.
I still go back to visit sometimes, but it gets worse every time I go. The first refugees in the town I visited were refugees from the Yugoslav war, and I think they brought some issues, but nothing really visible. The later Muslims and Africans started to make things unpleasant. The Muslims became more of an issue each time I went, and the last time I was there around ten years ago, there was some African refugee trying to scam and intimidate me out of money…at the same train station upon arrival. That was really sad.
The Swedes I knew were very much leftists, but they were also nationalists. They believed that Sweden is special. I guess they just had immigration shoved down their throats also.
You’re trying way too hard here to avoid the fact that you lied.
“You are such a buffoon that you don’t realize that the Supreme Court doesn’t cite much to current era commenters”.
That statement about Supreme Court citation practices requires clarification.
—The Supreme Court’s citation practices have shifted as the body of relevant legal scholarship and commentary has exponentially evolved over time. significantly over time.
—While the Supreme Court may not cite modern academic commentators in a similar fashion that they relied on early foundational texts, they cite considerable contemporary legal sources, especially law review articles.
Keep digging that hole and burying yourself with your shovel. That’s what you get for being a pompous fool.
“Tucker’s overview of the constitution was the Gold Standard for understanding that document”
Again, it’s YOUR opinion that his interpretations are the END all and BE all.
Speaking of textualism…
https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/Posner%2C%20Richard%20A.%2C%20%27The%20Incoherence%20of%20Antonin%20Scalia%27%20The%20New%20Republic.pdf
https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-135/textualisms-mistake/
Thanks. I always manage to fuck up the video paste.
Yeah, and I managed to fuck up the word “paste”. ;-}
Are you saying that Ad Hominem is superior to argument? Explains a lot.
Maybe you’ll read this. Then again, you’re dead to this blog. Here’s hoping you’ll agree that the rule of law and law and order do not mix with the Trump Administration.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lrvbsqa6bk2p
I wasn’t going to say anything but now that you mention it “might peak the interest of some” should be ‘pique’.
Re-reading your comment, I believe the three comments per hour limit is already in effect site-wide, but I’m mostly agreeing with your last sentence. Spamming is lame; if spammers are throttled back (individually whimmed) they might be choosier about what they post. Germ Theory has long been in Pat Hannagan territory with his repetitive musical dreck. 😐
“Are you saying that Ad Hominem is superior to argument? Explains a lot.”
Leave it to you, the Jew, to put forth pilpul. I mean, that’s what you’re known for, or so I’ve been told.
Must feel pretty good that Israel bought and paid for Trump to help you murder Gazans and Iranians.
I know JackD is thrilled.
It could be a stretch to attribute Millennial malaise to delayed effects of music on the radio and TV in their childhood. There was plenty of popular pop bubblegum in that era as well that we were aware of but (personally) weren’t listening to. Metal itself was already splintering into siloed sub-genres before the grunge ‘scene’ was a thing.
Now, is it possible that (((media types))) were trying to subvert a Republican/traditionalist “morning in America” (Reagan and Bush Sr. as indicators) by intentionally injecting negative media (grunge, gangta rap) into the culture? I don’t know, but I know they wouldn’t have made any shekels if a lot of the major acts you don’t like didn’t (back then) have genuine appeal to major segments of the listening population.
Every generation is going to have normal people that are disaffected in some way, and respond to good music that ‘gets it’—e.g., was Pink Floyd in their ’70s output heyday an artificial depressive media psyop on Boomers or just damn good music about serious things?
I agree, their heavy rotation tunes got way overplayed (along with those of other bands). Still, I think the decade overall was good for (hard) rock, although maybe not as ‘fun’ as the ‘80s, as you’ve noted. Also, there were other existing genres in the ‘90s as well that for me define the decade (especially the first half) in a good way, musically.
Thanks. I figured something like that. Sometimes a regular commenter reveals something interesting and divergent from one’s established mental image of them (e.g., I would have pictured Corpse Tooth targeting large crowds for pickpocketing—not for vulgar profit, but for the thrill of seeing what he could get away with, and also for profit).
Hmm. Upgraded to a .45 M&P 2.0 with a SureFire and a can? /joking
PJ Harvey is olde folk, from the time of Stonehenge:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/youll-be-surprised-to-learn-that-michelle-obama-is-taking-the-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-decision-personally/#comment-6035664 (#82, etc.)
Are you going to provide a source claiming Posner is the most cited authority by the US Suprene Court or are you going to keep dodging the matter?
I do? Well … Sorry!
Jackie Edwards, you had me at “you lie, you lie, you lie”.
Apologies, when I posted I saw the video and naturally assumed the poster was GTOD.
I’m more of a viral theory of disease type myself, amazing how many diseases are linked to them. Btw, a lady from Yorkshire just died of rabies after a puppy scratch in Morocco.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the many back-and-forths you have had on this topic over a long period of time now (though I don’t know how you put up with Corvinus’s relentless smarmy bad faith – we must have different personality types). My views on the Civil War are the same as yours but they’ve been strengthened by your many cogent arguments articulately made.
“I’m more of a viral theory of disease type myself,”
Not that it matters, but I posted the explanation once before and as Jack White once said, Said it once before but it bears repeating.
My internet moniker here has no actual meaning or suggestive force, I’m not trying to send any sort of “statement” with it; it’s just an accident of R. Unz’s stage mechanics. I used to comment on Sailer’s old site using a different stage name every time because I didn’t want an internet “identity” so, one day it would be “Vargas” and the next day “The Death Train of Baron von Frankenstein” and then the next day “The Germ Theory of Disease” and then the next day “Petula Clark’s Greatest Hits”. I didn’t care, and still don’t; but then one day Ron locked everyone down on short notice, one guesses for efficiency’s sake, probabky a good idea, and so I was stuck with Germ. But it has no presumptions to anything of any importance or meaning. It’s just there, luck of the draw.
In the UK, the Conservative Party continues with its five year to destroy itself and never be elected again:
Now THIS young lady gets it…
Solitude is a metanoiac gesture. –Who said?
What makes the elephant charge his tusk,
Through the misty mist,
And the dusky dusk?
What makes the muskrat guard his musk?
What makes the Hottentot so hot?
What puts the ape in apricot?
Whadda they got, that I ain’t got?
Swedes are by no means lacking in common sense. When a socialist government there raised taxes on the rich to very high levels, it resulted in the rich engaging in income tax evasion, leaving the country or cutting back on working to put themselves in a lower tax bracket. This resulted in slower economic growth. The Swedes then reversed course and spread taxes more evenly across the population.
The Swedes also took a more common sense approach than many countries when Covid hit. Their lockdowns were less harsh than a number of other European countries, which enabled people to live a more normal life and resulted in less economic damage. They started the epidemic with high numbers of deaths due to many Swedish tourists vacationing in Europe on their yearly holiday season when Covid hit and bringing the disease back to Sweden, followed by poor protection of nursing home residents. By the end of the epidemic, though, their excess death rate was better than the European average.
The Swedes have recently tightened up their requirements for letting immigrants move there and stay. The result of that were more people leaving Sweden than moving there in 2024, the first time that has happened in 50 years.
SUNG TO THE TUNE OF “BUT NOT FOR ME” (G. AND I. GERSHWIN)
Black lives matter, so they say,
But not for me;
Juneteenth is a holiday,
But not for me.
Which teenth of June’s the date—
Thir-? Fif-? Six-? Seven-? Eight-?-—
The date they celebrate
Slaves going free?
Mark, I wonder, though, how many of the people leaving are Swedes, young and old, getting away from the mess that has been made.
I don’t argue against your take, especially on the Kung Flu (they were quite sane there), but they have really let their country be destroyed. The Africans and Moslems and African Moslems won’t go home so readily. “Remingration” is a nice word that means the same as deportation/self-deportation. Will the Swedes have the guts to get started? At least, whoever runs it won’t be a flakey TACO like Trump.
I was there only for a few days about that same time, Mr. Floyd. I was at first impressed by the Socialism – hanging out with a couple of guys on a Wed afternoon who had a hell of a nice “schedule”. I thought later about how this was all paid for and that this was no country for ambitious businessmen.
Anyway, that’s their business. I am glad to have seen the country – mostly just Stockholm – then. I have no reason to ever go there again.
“I have no reason to go there ever again”
I have not been to Stockholm but feel the same way about other European cities. When I visited Europe in 1972, London was very British, Paris very French, Amsterdam very Dutch, Rome very Italian and so on. It was an enjoyable experience. It would be depressing to go there now and see those cities filled with third world migrants. I do not even particularly want to travel here in this country. For example, the wonderful Beach Boys era California I saw in 1963 no longer exists.
I was engaging in a little Boomer nostalgia and watching a YouTube video on “Cool British Singles” covering the first half of 1965. It has a number of street scenes, bands playing in concert, and shots of audiences listening to them. You had a vibrant musical scene with bands like the Beatles, Stones, Kinks and Who back then. There is nothing comparable to it today coming out of Great Britain.
Courage!
Thank you. I’ve spent a lot of time on it, but perhaps more importantly I’ve spent decades making a specialty of statutory construction, intergovernmental agreements and this all requires a familiarity with the law of ultimate territorial control; organic law. The authors of the agreement to form a Union understood these laws and created records acknowledging their understanding. The forms of expression used to describe the Union gradually changed after the War between the States to reflect the new post conquest arrangement. H. L. Menken had a pithy explanation:
“The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects of the United States, what they thus lost they have never got back.”
Corvi, as I’m sure you’ve observed, is not an honest broker nor has he any competence regarding American history or law. He is, however, a practitioner of pilpul and it is useful to view all of his posts from that perspective.
“decades making a specialty of statutory construction, intergovernmental agreements and this all requires a familiarity with the law of ultimate territorial control; organic law.”
Right, you developed a position, one that is NOT the ultimate authority on the matter.
From the perspective of the Confederacy, who believed they had lawfully seceded from the Union and formed a new sovereign nation, the actions of the North could be seen as an invasion and conquest aimed at forcing them back into the Union.
The North consistently maintained that the Union was indivisible and that states could not legally secede. Therefore, they saw the war as an effort to suppress a rebellion and preserve the Union, not as a conquest of a foreign entity.
“The forms of expression used to describe the Union gradually changed after the War between the States to reflect the new post conquest arrangement.”
Sure, in your opinion.
“The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects of the United States, what they thus lost they have never got back.”
The extent to which states have lost their sovereignty continues to be debated among legal analysts and historians, with some arguing that states still retain significant powers within the federal system, while others maintain that the Civil War fundamentally altered the balance of power.
Now, what has been settled is that the institutions of slavery and Jim Crow (which you odiously support) have been destroyed. And that personally bothers you, hence your emotional outbursts.
Lots of Swedes left to avoid the crazy taxation. Most people don’t understand that the social welfare system did not build Sweden or make Sweden an advanced or wealthy nation. The work to build Sweden was done before the welfare state was put in place. The welfare state simply rearranged the social contract and changed how money was spent. The same people largely ran things.
But the welfare state did have some strong points when Sweden was mostly homogeneous and honest about using the system. Public education was impressive, the society functioned well, and I have the impression that
People were happy with health care. It wasn’t bad, as long as society was cohesive and gaming the system was kept to a minimum. 1980s Sweden was far superior to 2025 America.
“Are you going to provide a source claiming Posner is the most cited authority by the US Suprene Court or are you going to keep dodging the matter?”
I did already. Way back in Comment 382.
You’re not fooling anyone here.
True that. Though, looking back, so many of those songs were flat-out laughable.
Back in 1988 I was in the jungles of Thailand playing, as an extra, an American soldier in a Hollywood-made Vietnam War movie. Once, between scenes, another extra, who somehow had had gotten ahold of the Motley Crue lyrics to their song “Girls, Girls, Girls,” read the lyrics in a tough-serious manner to the rest of us: “Girls, girls, girls!” “Red lips” “Finger tips!” Maybe you had to be there but, at that time in our jungle trenches between takes, it was hilarious.
Motley Crue: “Girls, Girls, Girls”:
“Friday night and I need a fight
My motorcycle and a switchblade knife
Handful of grease in my hair feels right
But what I need to get me tight are those
Girls, girls, girls
Long legs and burgundy lips
Girls, girls, girls
Dancin’ down on the Sunset Strip
Girls, girls, girls
Red lips, fingertips
Trick or treat, sweet to eat
On Halloween and New Year’s Eve
Yankee girls you just can’t be beat
But you’re the best when you’re off your feet
Girls, girls, girls
At the dollhouse in Ft. Lauderdale
Girls, Girls, Girls
Rocking in Atlanta at Tattletails
Girls, girls, girls
Raising hell at the Seventh Veil
Have you read the news
In the Soho Tribune?
Ya know she did me
Well then she broke my heart
I’m such a good good boy
I just need a new toy
I tell ya what, girl
Dance for me, I’ll keep you over-employed
Just tell me a story
You know the one I mean
Crazy Horse, Paris, France
Forget the names, remember romance
I got the photos, a menage et trois
Musta broke those Frenchies laws with those
Girls, girls, girls
Body Shop and the Marble Arch
Girls, girls, girls
Tropicana’s where I lost my heart
Girls, girls, girls
(Hey Tommy, check that out, man)
(What, Vince, where?)
(Hey right there, hey)
Hey baby, you wanna go somewhere? (girls, girls, girls)
Girls, girls, girls
Girls, girls, girls
Girls, girls, girls
Girls, girls, girls (whoa)”
“Public education was impressive, the society functioned well, and I have the impression that
People were happy with health care”
It remains that way today.
Thanks, Dan Rather. Now, what’s the frequency,
Kennetherrr, Nicholas?!!I’m a firm believer that it’s always better, if it’s at all possible, to fix things yourself. I’d never pay my hard-earned money for a “shrink,” a head doctor, or something like it (that’s what friends are for). I’d spend my money on learning a new skill, a martial art, photography, whatever. I’ve learned long ago that top-notch personal accomplishment, more than anything else, is what makes me happy. It’s that simple – there is no cutting corners.
My little sister, who lived in Minneapolis, liked 10,000 Maniacs; she turned me on to the band when they were just getting popular. That was a long time ago. I slightly remember a computer-generated, black and white, video of pretty Natalie Merchant dancing around on one of The Chrysler Building’s gargoyles.
Tell me about it. Catching that ferry on Sunday, my one day off per week, and then first seeing the distant Space Needle when the ferry passed the oyster farm and swung ’round into Puget Sound always lifted my spirits.
Being on deck outside: Breathing the fresh air, feeling the crisp wind, watching the Space Needle grow larger and larger as the ferry headed east, and looking forward to whatever that free day in 1990’s Seattle would bring was one of my favorite places to be that year I worked in the Bremerton Shipyards. Fortunately, I got to have that ferry experience dozens and dozens of times.
Good memories.
I’m pretty sure Hell is going to be full of Boomers playing their mixtapes for me with color commentary. I pray that institutional policy precludes the pasting of music videos there.
Indeed, the late Hans Eysenck would say “Psychotherapy is the prostitution of friendship.”
That on off approach is the way to test it. That is what convinced both me and my friend. I can’t remember exactly how long it took to start hurting (I ran out accidentally after years of use and didn’t think I needed more, this was gelatin, the glycine and collagen came later, those were what my friend tested), but I think it was order of a month. Similar time frame for stopping hurting with supplementation. Please let us know your discontinuation test experience.
Quality probably isn’t as good, but this seems to work for me. Almost three times as much quantity for a similar price (and may be lower in store or on sale).
https://www.costco.com/orgain-collagen-peptides-%2B-probiotics%2C-unflavored%2C-1.6-lbs.product.4000079755.html
I should add that I see positive effects with a teaspoon (about 5g) a day. Substantially less than their recommended daily amount.
Thanks for your detailed description of your experiences.
If you give the federal government too much power, you have to worry about the federal government becoming oppressive. If you give the state governments too much power, you have to worry about state governments becoming oppressive. I think I would be for more decisions made at the state level because if you don’t like your state government it is relatively easy to move to another state. It is not so easy to move to another country.
I live in a state, Indiana, where there are high levels of economic freedom but, due to the state being socially conservative, low levels of personal freedom. I can live with that. We have restrictive abortion laws, but I don’t get women pregnant and then try to talk them into aborting our baby. Some of my friends dislike Marijuana being illegal. As a libertarian, I support legalization but don’t use it personally so it does not affect my lifestyle by being illegal. A coworker from Burma complains about prostitution being illegal here but that is another hobby I don’t indulge in. My only major vice is too many sweets, which my dentist disapproves of, but that is legal here. I can’t think of another state I would rather live in.
“Why do you ask, Two Dogs Fu#king?”
You’re welcome (It’s good to know that my writing, from time to time, is of some use).
I know that if I continue to buy collagen peptides after my dad’s expensive stash runs out I’ll be looking for a more reasonably priced, yet equally effective, substitute. Your information, especially about using a much smaller daily quantity than recommended, is food for thought.
What I’ve read, albeit from the grass-fed collagen dealers, is that grass-fed collagen always costs more because it is “better.” They say that the cheaper collagen comes from the sea, from jelly fish, and that it isn’t nearly as “good.” But maybe, at the molecular level it doesn’t matter. I honestly don’t know, one way or the other, for sure. I’ll dig further when the time comes…but I’ll probably stick to the lowest cost grass-fed product.
That’ll be months down the line. But when I get the results, and am able to tie it in to the subject matter in the comment section, I will.
No. This is the take at the creation of the Union as expressed by those who participated in it, the way it was applied or contested afterwards, and as expressed by the top legal authorities of the day. Yes, it is the most authoritative take with regard to the shared opinion of the states when they created the Union. There’s never been a serious argument afterwards. Even Lincoln was smart enough not to get himself into that trap, which is why he spoke of the matter in poetics, houses divided and all that tosh, not law. In the period following the war there was a concerted effort to invent a post hoc story that ‘appeared’ to hang together and that’s the story Americans are indoctrinated with to this day. Conquerors get all kinds of privileges but the privilege of having one’s reputation safe from those who know better isn’t one of them.
Yeah, well, when the Millennials start going to hell (or have they already?) bringing that hip-hop with them, you’re going to notice a bunch of fireproof billboards paid for by Boomers of the 3rd Circle, saying “Miss us yet?”
Yes. You wrote that quote in response to me recently. I agree with it, coming, as I do, from many experiences and expenditures with regard to the “science” of psychology.
Restating as well what I have stated before, I say that the psychological practices and professions are about at the stage where medicine was in the middle ages. This does not mean there is not hope for better practices. It means that I have experienced and suffered from what passes now as a science and is not.
So, to restate what I have written here before: Talk to a friend. Don’t pay somebody with whatever diploma or certification to sit there for fifteen minutes. Talk to someone close to you. Tell him what you are thinking and feeling. If he knows you, he is more qualified to give you advice.
“This is the take at the creation of the Union as expressed by those who participated in it, the way it was applied or contested afterwards, and as expressed by the top legal authorities of the day. “
You mean it is one of two positions taken regarding the Union as expressed by those who participated in it, the way it was applied or contested afterwards, and as expressed by the top legal authorities of the day.
“Yes, it is the most authoritative take with regard to the shared opinion of the states when they created the Union.”
No, you are espousing the Jeffersonian position, compared to the Hamiltonian position. The Civil War settled matters much to your chagrin.
“Even Lincoln was smart enough not to get himself into that trap, which is why he spoke of the matter in poetics, houses divided and all that tosh, not law.”
Of course he spoke about law, the rule of law, and law and order
“In the period following the war there was a concerted effort to invent a post hoc story that ‘appeared’ to hang together.”
The invention is that southerners were prepared to eventually free their slaves on their own accord. The Civil War ended once and for all this moral abomination.
“and that’s the story Americans are indoctrinated with to this day.”
This is YOUR opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
There is this take—The Southern States ATTEMPTED to secede, vigorously, but since it was obviously illegal for ANY State to unilaterally secede from its participation in the PERPETUAL Union without the UNANIMOUS approval of all of the States, the attempts to legally secede, failed utterly. At no time did any States succeed in legally leaving that Union, even though they certainly did enter a condition of rebellion when they opened fire on the U.S. Army. Which means that the Federal Government at all times retained its legal, National jurisdiction over the rebelling States, regardless of any rebellion.
“Conquerors get all kinds of privileges but the privilege of having one’s reputation safe from”
You mean like how your southern ancestors took by force a free people, transported them to a foreign land, stripped them of their liberties, enslaved them to grow cash crops, raped women with impunity, etc?
I don’t think that’s computer generated, Natalie Merchant is most likely green screened onto the Chrysler Building gargoyles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/These_Are_Days
Here’s the other video made for that album:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Everybody_Wants
10,000 Maniacs – Our Time in Eden playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_na8GJTB1iEhDr2_BtNQHt_OrVxWBOFE50
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Time_in_Eden
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/natalie-merchant-and-10000-maniacs-195697/
https://archive.is/6Wp3y
Welcome the big time corvi called you a troll.
On a different note reading of Tucker Carlson interview with Ted Cruz I’m damn sorry I voted for that kike sucker.
I lost my long time best friend and buddy an old Marine during the COVID B’s I really miss talking to him it’s tough to find people with shared experiences and I’m not going to one of their group sessions at the VA.
Hate to tell you corvi but my southern ancestors didn’t sail over to Africa catch them some jigaboos and bring them back here as slaves to pick cotton.
the most unique male vocal performance of the 20th century belongs to . . .
There was this fellow.
Back in the Persian Gulf, two Chinese intelligence ships have arrived. What better chance to check out the West’s kit and tactics, just as NATO have been checking out Russia’s in Ukraine?

You’re right, that’s green screen. But isn’t green screen a crude form of computer generation? I remember using my first computer to practice doing amateur-level green-screen stuff nearly fifteen years ago.
Thanks for the info and, especially, the videos. Natalie Merchant, her looks and her voice, were a pleasure to see and to hear once again after so many years.
I was never a fan of socialism, and it was obvious that the Scandinavian system would be easy to cheat. As an American, it was easy to see that many people would get by with doing as little as posdible if they could. But when the nation was much more homogeneous and law abiding, it made for a pleasant place.
What people forget is how harsh the Scandinavian countries were prior to the welfare state. Some Finns I knew told stories of lining up at the docks every morning for the opportunity to unload ships by hand. My Swedish friends also told stories about how harsh things were in the past. Things were pretty soft by American standards 30 years ago, and it’s even worse now.
One of my friends made some local trouble for himself by arranging for the two of us to unload several boxcars of fertilizer from East Germany. The job was supposed to be done by one of the unions that had reserved a crew and several days to do the job, according to my friend. It took us less than eight hours. After that, I was offered jobs doing everything from moving furniture to hauling explosives into quarries.
Comparing the two systems, the Swedish system of 30 years ago was much better for laborers than the American system. Having done hard physical labor in the U.S., I know that I was nothing but expendable no matter how hard I worked, how reliable I was, or how well I did my job, and with racial politics, I was not going to work my way up to anything, since AA quotas were mostly pulled from the bottom at the time. For ambitious businessmen, the American system gives more monetary rewards. Given the choice, I wonder how many transplanted Swedes/Scandinavians would choose the Scandinavia that existed in the 70s and 80s to the U.S. of today?
i thought we were discussing vocal performances by males.
Well, I wasn’t going to go here, but you leave me no choice.
Speaking of Morocco and rabies: Did you hear about the 15 Moroccan boys (age 7 to 15) who all got rabies after gang raping a poor, defenseless, donkey? Those perverted Moroccan Muslims – they start young – just wanna have fun!
I posted this news story when it first came out in 2017 on the British, pro-Islam, Five Pillars site. The Muslim Five Pillars commenters just about shit their pants over it which, of course, made it all that much funnier.
I can see these Moroccan kids fighting over who got to screw the donkey first. The weaker Moroccan boys, those ten years old and under, probably were only able to rape the donkey last. When it comes to Muslims: Moroccans, “Palestinians,” Afghans, and Somalians are at the very bottom of the barrel.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170818-15-moroccan-boys-gang-rape-rabid-donkey/
You can say that again.
“Hate to tell you corvi but my southern ancestors didn’t sail over to Africa catch them some jigaboos and bring them back here as slaves to pick cotton”
No, they weee just the marketers and bankers and overseers and…
“Pink Floyd in their ’70s output heyday an artificial depressive media psyop on Boomers or just damn good music about serious things?”
Waters had two topics he sang about in the 70’s: Record label execs and Syd Barrett.
“Corpse Tooth targeting large crowds for pickpocketing—not for vulgar profit, but for the thrill of seeing what he could get away with, and also for profit”
I think that’s beneath him. CT is higher level: Scans the crowd for the guy targeting the crowd for pick-pocketing, and then robs that guy after he’s done the heavy lifting.
My southern ancestors came over as indentured servants, Irish and English then became subsistence farmers they never owned slaves. I have to say you are one miserable sob.
Ok that one went over my head.
Boy oh boy oh boy, I just finished sitting through the worst biggest f#ck-up in recent memory. Well I am sure there are worse disasters but when you fuck up a masterpiece it is somehow more offensive: pissing on the Mona Lisa is somehow worse than just drawing a naughty dick-picture on a KFC napkin.
The original animated film “How to Train Your Dragon” is one of the great modern-day classics of the genre, it is pitch-perfect and expertly timed and conceived in every way. So they just did a live-action re-make –by the same original creative team, mind you! — and it is just such a steaming hunk of turd you can barely believe it. They manage somehow to get *everything* wrong — and these are the same people who got it all so perfectly right the first time around. I cannot understand what they were thinking.
The casting is horrifyingly bad — the charmless untalented nepo-cast chick who plays Astrid has what look like dreadlocks! The kid who plays Hiccup is a disaster, he has zero sense of comic timing, you could find someone better at any random high-school production in your town of How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying.
Nobody on or off camera seems to have any idea what any of the scenes are really about: they just do them formulaically because hey, that’s what they did last time right.
Maybe the worst thing is that they completely misunderstand the dragon: it isn’t just any dragon, it is the mysterious legendary unknowable Night Fury, a thing which moves at the speed of lightning. Not around here I guess.
I could rattle on all night but I’ve bored y’all too much already. Hard Avoid.
There’s local cover band in the Chicago area called Hairbanger’s Ball, and they tour the bar scene playing all the most popular hair metal hits from the 80’s. They typically draw a couple hundred people per show, and as silly as the lyrics were, when they play G,G,G, the whole crowd sings along with it and it’s a fun time.
Comparatively, I don’t know of any cover bands out there currently getting a crowd worked up over 1980’s David Byrne, Sting, Billy Joel, or Phil Collins (the late 80’s was when all those guys were in their full “take me seriously as a musician” phase)
Hair metal music was fun and still is. The other stuff from the 80’s is mostly forgotten.
Major agree. We’ll be at war with Iran and I’ll be wading though 60% of the posts being Germ Theory reliving his past through music.
That bad, eh. Hmm, guess it’s high time for a re-think.
Waiter! Bring me a sock, and stick it in my mouth!
Better?
So will Steve boycott the Dodgers?
It’s the punchline to the old joke:
A little Plains Indian boy asks his father how people knew what to name their children. The father replies, “Well son, in our tribe, we have a tradition of naming a newborn child after the first thing the father sees upon coming out of the tepee where the baby was just born. So, for example, your older brother is named Running Deer, and your sister is named Little Cloud. Why do you ask, Two Dogs Fu#king?”
I thought GTOD’s handle explanation needed a more traditional cadence.
You just went beyond merely lying to blood libel.
I urge the Los Angeles City Council to ban all Dodger games until the team gives Chavez Ravine back to Mexico and makes restitution to the Arechiga family. Not to mention reparations to everyone who paid 8 bucks for a cold Dodger Dog.
I’m only continuing to respond to your time wasting claims to demonstrate the utter lack of knowledge you possess on the question on secession. The Hamiltonian position, as you call it, constitutes a political preference not a theory of the nature of the Union.
That Hamilton is known to have opposed Northern initiatives to secede from the Union on political grounds after formation of the Union does not constitute a view of the nature of the Union then existent. You should know that Hamilton was not the theoretical brains behind the formation of the Union but was instead a man with specific ambitions for the Union once created. Did Hamilton oppose a faction of Northerners who wanted to secede from the Union as a matter policy? Yes. This is a reference to a project of some Federalist leaders in New England who wanted to secede from the United States and form a northern confederacy.
That existent correspondence concerning this potential Northern secession excludes any mention of illegality of secession only bolsters the obvious, that secession was not thought illegal at the time.
Does such evidence suggest Hamilton opposed the secession on legal as opposed to policy grounds? If so I’ve not seen it. Please provide your evidence if you possess it.
For the correspondence concerning this project, see Henry Adams, ed., Documents Relating to New-England Federalism. 1800–1815 (Boston, 1905), 46–63, 107–330, 338–65. On December 20, 1828, William Plumer wrote to John Quincy Adams that “arrangements had been made to have, the next autumn [1804], in Boston, a select meeting of the leading Federalists in New England, to consider and recommend the measures necessary to form a system of government for the Northern States; and that Alexander Hamilton of New York had consented to attend that meeting” (Adams, New-England Federalism, 145). Plumer of New Hampshire and Adams were both members of the United States Senate in 1803 and 1804.
In 1829 John Quincy Adams prepared a “Reply to the Appeal of the Massachusetts Federalists,” in which he wrote: “The session of Congress closed on the 4th of March, 1804, and I shortly afterwards returned to spend the summer at my father’s residence at Quincy. On my way thither, I was detained several days at New York, during which I frequently visited Mr. Rufus King, who had then recently returned from his first mission to England. On the 8th day of April, I called and passed great part of the evening with him in his library. I found there, sitting with him, Mr. Timothy Pickering, who, shortly after I went in, took leave and withdrew. As he left the house, Mr. King said to me, ‘Colonel Pickering has been talking to me about a project they have for a separation of the States and a Northern confederacy; and he has also been this day talking of it with General Hamilton.… I disapprove entirely of the project; and so, I am happy to tell you, does General Hamilton’” (Adams, New-England Federalism, 147–48).
John Church Hamilton described a party at the Grange on July 7 as follows: “After dinner, when they were alone, Hamilton turned to [John] Trumbull, and, looking at him with deep meaning, said: ‘You are going to Boston. You will see the principal men there. Tell them from Me, at My request, for God’s sake, to cease these conversations and threatenings about a separation of the Union. It must hang together as long as it can be made to’” (Hamilton, History, VII, 822–23).
To your other point where you claim Lincoln argued the legal case against secession in his speeches which is the context in which the statement you are contradicting was made; make yourself useful and find it. The author whose father was Lincoln’s former law partner’s subsequent partner made the claim. Show him to be wrong! Your expression of expectation carries no weight with me but I’d appreciate seeing you debunk this long standing claim if you can.
That is incorrect. There were serious secession movements in the North in the Antebellum period. Many people, not just Southerners, regarded the Union as a collection of sovereign states. In fact, to this day, in some foreign languages, “The United States” is a plural, rather than singular, noun. (In contemporary American English, it is in the singular because it is now a unitary state.) For example, in German, “Die Vereinigten Staaten” is a plural noun.
1994, I heard Sober on the radio and was hooked. Fear Inoculum has been in rotation since 2020. I do like those long songs. Jones, Carey, and Chancellor — and I’m not forgetting He who lurks in the shadows. Love those dense polyrhythms. 7empest is beautifully brutal. Descending still puts goosebumps on my arms. I feel as if I owe them a debt of gratitude. Their stuff hits that deep.
The frowning on nudity bit, particularly my nudity, is most of it. Plus, I can’t carry a firearm whilst in my splendor.
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1935697120671015273
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1935721146063970635
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1935850151689502796
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1935835033110990981
This is just yet another story of the damage to Islamic society from Western, especially British, culture having spread around the world. It was a simple mistake by these boys, and the language barrier and minor cases of Lyricosis didn’t help at all either.
I’m talking about Peter Gabriel here, of course. I don’t want to put you all through hell, so I won’t embed it.
Oh, Shock the Monkey! I thought he said…
There are still a few people up in arms about their having left from Brooklyn… along with those outrageous 89 cent beers!
Like those Japanese soldiers holed up in caves 5 years after WWII, these people surface occasionally in the “Letters to the Editor” section.
When you’ve lost Corvinus…
…now you know you’re getting somewhere!
And what great material was made! Of course, Floyd wasn’t only Waters, and you are being a bit glib, as if Wish You Were Here was their only ’70s album, so for the record…
Subject matter of the big time ’70s Pink Floyd albums:
The Dark Side of the Moon
Grand themes about (modern) life.
Wish You Were Here
Mini rock opera about Syd Barrett and the music industry (mostly instrumental).
Animals
Concept album of contemporary English society/classes based on Animal Farm.
The Wall
A bit of everything haunting Waters. ‘Art rock’ theatrics plus straightforward songs.
One interesting thing about first encountering a band’s music, especially at a young age (say, Floyd in eighth grade) is that song lyrics can have subjective, deeper meaning beyond who/what the singer exactly had in mind (the latter of which the listener may not be fully aware of). Floyd was great like that. Not to mention the music itself.
Ah, the legendary CT scan. Didn’t know it referred to Corpse Tooth.
Probably because you’re not the target audience. All of the above each have multiple tribute acts currently active. Byrne is still releasing new music and is his own tribute act:
When I was growing up, first chapter of childhood, in SoCal, Dad took me to Dodger games at the same stadium in which they still play. That venue was something new and great then, and it is a testament to its design that it has lasted this long.
I idolized Sandy Koufax, and I didn’t know that he or his team came from somewhere else. Brooklyn? Where is that?
Then, when I was eight, Dad got promoted to headquarters in New Jersey. New Jersey?! He drove his Cadillac across the country, ahead of us. He described to me how he kept passing through the same weather front every day: He would drive through rain storms and then stop for the night in the clear. The next day he would set out and encounter the same weather front that has passed him overnight. Dad was smart that way, so he understood what was happening and could describe it to his eight-year-old boy.
After school ended, we followed him east, my mother, sister and I, in a “Stretch” DC-8:
We sat at a table, across from two guys in suits who played cards with my mom.
After that, I became a Mets fan — that is until headquarters relocated to Colorado four years later, thank God.
Did you find the Denver Broncos sports fan culture a successful treatment for no major league baseball sickness?
Colorado still has no major league baseball.
“The Dark Side of the Moon”
It was literally their last chance: the record companies were getting tired of them (Meddle? Ummagumma? puh-leeze), and they really needed to score big time, just to stay in the game. “Money” a song about money, saved their FM careers. Great hook, c’mon admit it. “The Great Gig in the Sky” saved their artistic reputation. That is Naomi Watts’s father giggling in the background on all the ambient takes.
“Wish You Were Here”
While they were cashing their Dark Side checks and noodling around in the studio, Syd literally wandered in on them, delusionally thinking he was still in the band. He asked, “What can I do here, fellas?” and they sort of fondly but firmly escorted him to the exit. That’s where the whole thing comes from.
“Animals”
Eh, who cares.
“The Wall”
Waters sets ’em up, Gilmour punches ’em.
BONUS POINTS:
GROUPIE: Wow. Are *all* these your guitars?
LOL. That’s both funny and perceptive. When I got there, even the Broncos football team sucked. And of course we had no baseball team, as you know. It’s funny that you say we still don’t have major league baseball, but hey, I haven’t given a shit about sportsball of any kind for basically my entire adult life.
I went to one Rockies baseball game long ago, when I still lived there, when they were playing in the old, Broncos stadium. I remember the engineering trouble Denver went to, to be able to hydraulically move entire seating areas aside for baseball games.
As far as “fan culture,” there was huge fan culture for the Broncos. The first time they made it to the Super Bowl, my mother bought our first color TV to watch it. (I know that’s hard to understand: We were, after all, an affluent, professional, “upper middle class” family, but we didn’t have a color TV until the Bronco’s played in the Super Bowl. America was a different place then.)
The Chicago baseball team (I can’t even at the moment remember if it was the Cubs or the White Sox — ROTFLMAO) was popular at bars. I ended up in Boulder for two decades, and Chicago baseball was always on the bar TVs. Because we didnt’ have a fucking baseball team of our own.
So, to answer you question, “Did you find the Denver Broncos sports fan culture a successful treatment for no major league baseball sickness?”
No. But by that time, I was more interested in climbing mountains, skiing, fly fishing, and dating very smart girls. By that time, I really didn’t give a shit about sportsball, and I still don’t.
Your ignorance of history is boundless.
“How the North Promoted, Prolonged, and Profited from Slavery by Anne Farrow, Joel Lang, and Jenifer Frank
of The Hartford Courant”
Latour writes that researchers are starting to bring out “the hidden stories of New England slavery — its brutality, its staying power, and its silent presence in the very places that have become synonymous with freedom. With the markers of slavery forgotten even as they lurk beneath our feet — from graveyards to historic homes, from Lexington and Concord to the halls of Harvard University.”4
She quotes Anne Farrow, one of the authors of Complicity, who said “these great seaports and these great historic houses, everywhere you look, you can follow it back to the agricultural trade of the West Indies, to the trade of bodies in Africa, to the unpaid labor of black people.”5
Farrow said she knew nothing about slavery in the North at first but once she started her research, one thing led to another. A mentor of hers stated that the North “democratized” slavery:
Where in the South a few people owned so many slaves, here in the North, many people owned a few. There was a widespread ownership of black people.6
Latour goes into detail about Rhode Island’s huge role in New England slave trading:
Following the Revolution, scholars estimate, slave traders in the tiny Ocean State controlled between two-thirds and 90 percent of America’s trade in enslaved Africans. On the rolling farms of Narragansett, nearly one-third of the population was black — a proportion not much different from Southern plantations.7
John Winthrop, author of the famous sermon “City Upon a Hill” and first Massachusetts governor “not only owned slaves at Ten Hills Farm, but in 1641, he helped pass one of the first laws making chattel slavery legal in North America.”
Ten Hills Farm “centers on five generations of slaveholders tied to one Colonial era estate, the Royall House and Slave Quarters in Medford, Mass.” He writes that the house passed to the Royalls and:
entered a family line whose massive fortune came from slave plantations in Antigua. Members of the Royall family would eventually give land and money that helped establish Harvard Law School. To this day, the law school bears a seal borrowed from the Royall family crest, and for years the Royall Professorship of Law remained the school’s most prestigious faculty post, almost always occupied by the law school dean.
New York, Boston and other Northern cities were deeply involved in the cotton trade. It was the source of their wealth:
From New Orleans and the other major cotton ports—Savannah, Georgia; Charleston, South Carolina; and Mobile, Alabama—most of the cotton was shipped to Liverpool. If it did not go directly to Liverpool, it was sent to the North: to Boston for use in the domestic textile industry, or to New York City. From New York, it generally went to Liverpool, or elsewhere in Europe.
But this gives only the slightest hint of the role New York City and the rest of the North played in the cotton trade, or of the lengths the New York business community was forced to go to protect its franchise.12
Northerners were making vast sums of money shipping Southern cotton. The majority of their shipping industry was cotton.
That’s why the South’s low 10% tariff vis-a-vis the North’s astronomical Morrill Tariff that was 47 to 60% higher, meant that few were going to ship into the North and pay 37% to 50% more than they had to pay in the South. Northern ship captains could get cargoes in the South but were far less likely in the North. The Morrill Tariff threatened to re-route the Northern shipping industry into to the South overnight.
When you add that to the obliteration of Northern manufacturing, which was about to lose the huge, wealthy, captive Southern market it had had all to itself, you can see a fast-approaching economic disaster for the North.
That is what Lincoln and Northern leaders saw in March, 1861, which is why he put together his plan to, hopefully, start a war in Charleston or Pensacola. He was anxious to put up a blockade and scare Europe away from the South, which he did before the smoke had cleared from the bombardment of Fort Sumter.
PF’s Dark Side…
All of that found spoken-word chatter you hear at the end of the songs or in the background (“I don’t know. I was really drunk at the time.” and so on) is the remarks of people in the Abbey Road studio who they dragooned into answering a bunch of pre-selected questions that they had on index cards: When was the last time you hit somebody? Were you in the right?
They recorded and used the answers, but left out the questions. “You give ‘im a short, sharp shock — they don’t do it again.”
Early performance art.
The guy who says at the end, “There is no dark side of the moon, really. As a matter of fact it is ALL dark.” was the elderly Irish doorman at the studio, who was answering the question, “What does the phrase The Dark Side of the Moon mean to you?” and he gave a long detailed astronomical explanation about the rotation of the moon, but they only used that bit. Smart lads.
I am like the Germ Theory of Bourbon Drinkers. I have had more different bourbons than probably anybody who is not a professional taster. I once had a foot locker with forty different bottles of bourbon I was saving for the hard times, but I knew it would only last me six months, so what was the point? I drank them all and hung the empties on an ironwood tree down by the creek with nooses made of baling twine. Then I drank some more.
John Derbyshire visited and asked my opinion of bourbons. “They are all the same shit” I advised. He nodded and heaved a sigh of relief and answered “I thought I was missing something.”
My standard technique for tasting a bourbon is to take the first swig right out of the bottle. Based on that criteria, Hirsh, which I had in the foot locker, and haven’t seen on a shelf since, is the best. Old Crow is the worst. The absolute worst. Awful stuff. That’s why it’s on the bottom shelf. Evan Williams gives one a headache. Bulliet Frontier Whiskey is probably my go to as a nice bourbon at a reasonable price. Never pay more than $40 for a bottle (now probably $50 with Biden/Putin inflation). It’s all the same shit. I had a friend give me a bottle of Blanton’s, which was a nice gesture, but it was the same shit as Makers Mark.
Which is not an insult. It’s all the same shit, but it’s Good Shit.
Well see I am completely ignorant of things like bourbon and Scots single malts: I am confident that there is a kind of superbness to everything that is there, but it is hidden from me, I am just a jerk when it comes to matters of the palate, a complete buffoon. Yah fine, spaghetti sounds good.
But here is something I do know a few things about, my version of bourbon so to speak.
This is just about what you’d call a perfect sequence in animation story-telling…
All three characters (including the dragon) are fully articulated, they all have a baseline and also a major emotional development, they all interact in creating one another’s developments, the music is integrated beautifully, and that camera work circling the island is just too good.
Excelsior! and then they went and ruined the whole thing with the new live-action calamity. Ugh. Nobody can leave well enough alone.
Practical Advice for the Beginner.
Good Shit: If you want to drink a bourbon straight, pay at least $30 and make sure it is from Kentucky. All these craft distilleries who think they can make a whiskey don’t know what the hell they are doing and you’ll end up drinking something that tastes like varnish from the inside of a radio set from 1942. Stay with the established distillers. Angels Envy, Four Roses, Makers Mark, Bulliet, – that the one with the metal band around it – that one. You get the idea. Bourbon from California? Fuggedaboutit. Kentucky. If you have to wander, then a “bourbon” from Indiana or Tennessee might do you.
Cheap Shit: you are going to make mixed drinks with it, for god’s sake don’t use the good shit, but stay away from the bad shit, too (Old Crow, Evan Williams). Go with Old Granddad (I hate the smiling simp they have on the new label. I liked the stern old gentleman they used to have), or Wild Turkey.
Hard Shit: If you want to get smashed go with Wild Turkey 101. No point in dropping large money on stuff you won’t be tasting after the first two glasses.
Just Shit: Don’t buy Jack Daniel’s. It isn’t bourbon, it’s over-priced, and it’s watered down. Why would you reward someone for watering down their whiskey? If you want a Tennessee sipping whiskey buy George Dickell.
One last thing: I won’t drink Jim Beam [except in the most desperate circumstances, which is to say, if there is no other whiskey on offer].
I flew with a guy in the Army named Jim Beam. Or as I referred to him Jim Beam-Ass-Motherf***er.
He was insufferable.
You guys can have all my Jim Beam. Is it good shit? I wouldn’t know.
Pink Floyd – The Dark Side of the Moon playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1x-JAx0w53suECoCI0YJtW6VB8DBQWRQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon
Pink Floyd – Wish You Were Here playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mzowhqljIOba8BVGEmVkeaWeL2S_bO4bw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_You_Were_Here_(Pink_Floyd_album)
Pink Floyd – Animals playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mOd2Ws36n_VlDvTIUsyWGb3Y9UVIlB9BA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_(Pink_Floyd_album)
Pink Floyd – The Wall playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nE3dmeYl_9Jgv2CT0aqufkDcyB6BBMcGM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall
Quit lying Corvi. You posted to a link that in no shape or form whatsoever identifies citations by the US Supreme Court as its subject matter. How many more times are you going to repeat the same lie? Are you an orphan perhaps who was never taught not to lie by your parents?
FWIW, I prefer Animals to The Wall. The subject matter, the sleazy music industry, is more interesting to me than childhood memories of disliking pedagogues.
Well I gotta give you your propers my man, because that was a well-landed insult, and you kind of just plain old scored with it, so: well done. I’m too old and grizzled to take offense or have things as petty as grudges, I’m just like, Yeah that was hilarious, well done.
But now that that’s all out of the way, I want to talk for a mo’ about some of the shall we say undertext of what you were getting at with your well-placed dig.
I’m sure it looks like what I’m doing is just narcissistic quasi Gen X-near Boomer masturposting. “Re-living” or whatever the new word for that sort of thing now is. Why not. But I’m a more devious fellow than that, at least give me that much credit.
When I was growing up I was taught to have respect for and knowledge of the past. So one of the reasons I sound like such a crank is that I grew up reading the rock n roll press: Billy Altman’s CREEM Magazine and Lester Bangs with his zany but well-thought-out rants, and Christgau and Nat Hentoff in the Voice, in other words, I cared. And I think other young people should care too.
And one way to make them care is to tell them about what the past was like. This country has gone into some sort of insane reverse gear in the past 20 years, it is like everything has been erased, which is insane. I am not going to be living in their future, but maybe their future, if they’re careful, will have a faint whiff of what the past was like, and maybe it will be a future which includes people like Patti Smith and Mick Jones, and not just that hideous stupid black chick from Wicked.
Now every cheap hood strikes a bargain with the world,
Ends up making payments on a sofa, or a girl.
— The Clash
So yeah if I used to wake up drunk on the floor at CBGB at age 14 but then went on to some serious bigger things, maybe kids who do that kind of looney trip don’t have to think that they’re just a stick-up jerk with a BORN TO LOSE tattoo on their neck, maybe they can go to Harvard too. If they read Catullus and not just Johnny Ramone. Start with Carmen 14.
Four roses damn I hadn’t thought about that stuff in 50 years thanks for the memories
I’m old with a poor memory but when I was in high school the local American legion (dry county only place you could drink) they had a whiskey wheel my dad would win a bottle now and then, kept it behind the seat of the 57 GMC pickup can’t remember the name of it but it was some rank stuff but hey you’re a teenager it’s great.
Fatal wordcel mistake.
You should have been listening to the music (on the radio and on records, not first as part of a live ‘scene’) and forming your own opinion (disclaimer: results may vary), rather than being psyop’d at an impressionable age by magazines and East Village chickenhawks into thinking Captain Beefheart is music. sheeeeeiiiiitttt
All right, credit due for that Heat quote.
“That is incorrect. There were serious secession movements in the North in the Antebellum period.”
You are referring to the Hartford Convention (1814-1815). New England states convened to address grievances and discuss issues like states’ rights and potential secession. However, the delegates ultimately rejected secession as a formal proposal, focusing on constitutional amendments to increase their political power.
“Many people, not just Southerners, regarded the Union as a collection of sovereign states. “
In this context, the bone of contention was secession. Secessionists utilized this argument to justify their withdrawal from the Union, arguing the federal government was infringing upon right to own slaves. Thankfully, that issue was settled, albeit with much bloodshed in the Civil War. I imagine you, unlike Curle, find the “peculiar institution” to be malignant and cruel, and therefore it was necessary to permanently remove it.
“In fact, to this day, in some foreign languages, “The United States” is a plural, rather than singular, noun.”
Yet nations of the world today view the U.S. as one entity, specifically a representative democracy.
Traditional British Culture: Afternoon tea, served with cucumber sandwiches, followed by sweet, sweet, donkey sex?! LOL.
I’ll be generous: Maybe Peter Gabriel’s song “Shock the Monkey” was misunderstood by these Moroccan boys/teens who innocently thought the song was commanding them to “F*ck the Donkey.”
“So will Steve boycott the Dodgers?”
Hell no. He understands how critical it is for the Dodgers to import ringers from Japan and from the Caribbean. Winning in sportsball is everything.
That there was the joke. If other people have to explain it then I obviously botched the delivery. “Shock the monkey” v “Fuck the monkey”, same rhythm, same comedic timing…
Michael Scott – “He’s butchering it.”:
Even if you’ve never watched The Office, Felpudinho, this clip is great!
That’s a nice post. I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t know the basic history of slavery, profit and corruption. The information is definitely out there, and you don’t have to be a scholar to find it. This site has been up for decades:
http://slavenorth.com/
The funny thing about slavery is that I think the average small farmer in the South probably profited from slavery less than northern industrial workers and those who engaged in the merchant economy in the North. I haven’t seen stats or exact research, but it makes sense that that could be the case. I’ve read some challenges to the view that much of the agriculture in the antebellum South was made up of subsistence farmers who owned no slaves and were operating at a level too small to compete against the plantations, but I think the challenges fail.
I was taught since elementary school that the average farmer in the antebellum South operated in a barter economy outside of the international system of trade and finance. That seems likely than apologist, and it seem to mesh with the many wills and census reports that I have seen where people without slaves often left behind livestock, homes, personal items, farm equipment, land, and household items, rather than cash, slaves, and large tracts of land.
The whole North/South divide that many base on Albion’s Seed seems overstated, especially if the view is that the South was Gaelic and the North was Anglo-Saxon. The plantation system just worked better in the South, and it was based on the system imported from England and the Carobbean. Outside of religious dissenters from mostly Germany and France, the Colonies were mostly English, and the Scots Irish were borderlanders, not Gaelic speaking highlanders. It was not uncommon that elites in the South had ties to the North, which makes sense, because many people filtered down from the North to the South.
The War was over the profits of slavery, not slavery itself. Abolitionists were not in charge of the North.
It wasn’t an ‘argument’ it was a right, moron.
Nice postcard. I got to ride on a DC-8 as late as ’09. Re-engined and with a glass cockpit, of course, but still, it looked like 1958 in there, and I expected Leslie Nielsen to come talk to us any minute. “Give me a vector, Victor.”
Hamilton’s political position about the nature of the Union emphasized a strong, unified nation under a powerful central government. He thought a strong federal government was crucial for the nation’s survival, economic prosperity, and ability to command respect on the world stage. He favored a loose interpretation of the Constitution, allowing the government to take actions not explicitly forbidden by the document.
Hamilton opposed secession on legal grounds. He believed the creation of a “more perfect Union” meant the states had given up their individual sovereignty upon ratification, making secession legally invalid. Hamilton also noted that the Supremacy Clause prohibited states from unilaterally overruling or disregarding federal authority. And in Federalist 58, he warned against supermajorities in the passage of laws, arguing it would encourage “the baneful practice of secessions” which he considered “subversive of all the principles of order and regular government”.
It is common knowledge that Lincoln in his speeches against secession were legalistic and deeply rooted in his understanding Constitutional law. He felt obligated to preserve the Union, viewing it as his duty to ensure the laws of the United States were faithfully executed and that the Constitution required him to defend the Union against any attempts to break it apart.
Again, what has been settled is that the institutions of slavery and Jim Crow (which you odiously support) have been destroyed. And that personally bothers you, hence your emotional outbursts.
errr, f__k the donkey is what I meant.
Because basic history doesn’t legitimize the current regime and therefore has been replaced with moralizing fable. Fables don’t become convention overnight. Friends outside the South are surprised to learn that as recently as the sixties children in certain southern school districts were taught a much more nuanced treatment of the war; one that attributed war tensions to tariffs. Look at Corvi and his combination of both ignorance and certitude. Granted, his lying is so pronounced and tactical that I think he has other motives aside from stubborn stupidity, but people have been told to treat contrary evidence to regime narrative as a sign of capture by some evil propagandizing force. In fact, that’s Corvi’s implied argument; that the propaganda is keeping slavery, the devil, from returning therefore propaganda is a positive good.
“Your ignorance of history is boundless.”
Long ago I acknowledged the pivotal role of the North in the slave trade. So you’re not winning here with a “gotcha moment”.
I said slavery was a moral abomination. Yet to my knowledge you have yet to make a similar remark. In fact, you supported its continuance and its expansion of this evil institution in the name of “states rights”. So spare us your sanctimony.
“The Morrill Tariff threatened to re-route the Northern shipping industry into to the South overnight. When you add that to the obliteration of Northern manufacturing, which was about to lose the huge, wealthy, captive Southern market it had had all to itself, you can see a fast-approaching economic disaster for the North.”
Perhaps. Maybe not. It’s all speculation now.
“which he did before the smoke had cleared from the bombardment of Fort Sumter.”
Right, Lincoln sent in unarmed ships carrying only food and other provisions, notifying Confederate authorities in advance, to a federal fort, but South Carolina foolishly bombarded it anyways.
Four Roses , which I have never bought or tasted, is what my Grandpa, a Hungarian-American coal miner/father to thirteen kids had in his self-built stone home and drank on special occasions. I can still see the partially-drank bottle of Four Roses in my grandma’s cupboard.
The one bottle of Makers Mark that I bought I gave to a retired Basque terrorist who lived on the French side of the Bidasoa River, in Hendaye. He was happy to get it, to the point that he had his son keep the bottle safe in his own home that was across the river in Spain. The retired terrorist (he did time – years – in a French prison, thankful that the French government didn’t deport him to Franco’s Spain) was being cautious: he didn’t want his hard-drinking housemate to drink up all his Markers Mark.
The one bottle of Wild Turkey 101 I’ve bought was for a kind-of boss in Hawaii who, when I thought I was going to get laid off, had told me I’d still be working for them when Christmas, which was almost an entire year off, rolled around. I knew he liked Wild Turkey 101 and, when Christmas did roll around, I gave him a bottle as a Christmas gift. I, myself, have never tried it.
When it comes to Jack Daniel’s, I’ll admit it, I didn’t know anything about whiskey and fell for all the advertising. Usually, whenever I flew international in the ’80’s and ’90’s, I’d pick up a bottle of JD duty free and share it with the people I met during my backpacking travels. Everyone whom I got to know and share JD with had only known of/tasted Scotch Whiskey. Tennessee Sour Mash whiskey was a complete unknown, an alcohol absolutely new to them. They all liked it, but maybe that’s because they never had had America’s “good stuff,” and therefore nothing to compare it to besides, more than likely, second or third-rate Scotch.
Antique was the name of the whiskey don’t remember if it was bourbon or rye, I remembered the name while walking the dog. Old age is a bitch.
So I shouldn’t be posting stories of my misspent youth 😋
“basic history doesn’t legitimize the current regime and therefore has been replaced with moralizing fable. Fables don’t become convention overnight.”
Now that right there is a rather tightly summarized explanatory skeleton-key for like 80 percent of history, or what we use as ‘history’.
Now use that and do the “Holocaust”. Keep your eye on your stop-watch to see just how quick all the artillery gets pulled out and pointed at you.
You may appreciate this print depicting the “Boston Riot” or “Gentleman’s Mob” of 1835:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58837655-boston-gentlemen-s-mob-the
On the page where the above image is linked, there’s an interesting quote from one Benjamin Hazard:
https://library.providence.edu/dorr/articles/gag-rule/
Okaaay I’m I’m sorry—you ruin—you butchered it…
That reminds me of my theory about wine and dinner parties.
The first bottle should be your $25-30 ‘this is really good.’ People will actually be thinking about it when they drink it.
Thereafter — unless the party really is a disaster — they’ll be talking and eating. So $10-15 a bottle will be entirely sufficient; no one’s going to notice anyway. Just avoid conspicuously bad.
Correct.
That wasn’t the rationale for the war at the time — as people keep tirelessly pointing out.
I won’t even bother to go through it again. Suffice it to say that at the time, the war was about preserving/restoring the Union.
Well, that might have been convincing at the time — and I can see the argument. But it’s not so convincing now. Would we agree that Great Britain should have refused Ireland independence? That Sweden should have crushed the Norwegians with fire and sword in 1905? That Stalin was quite right to set about recovering Finland in 1939?
Nope — we take a more nuanced view about national sovereignty these days. Hell, the Ukraine is the good guy now, aren’t they? They wanna be independent — so they can be.
But back to the Civil War. What we want that war to be about was freeing the slaves — them poor black folks. So we make it about that. Never mind the truth. We need it to be a fine moral crusade, with a good guy and a bad guy — by our lights.
People always do this. They don’t look at the past as it was. They remake it to fit their present. The Crusades were about economics. The Sepoy Mutiny was a struggle for Indian independence.
A good example of this is change in how the quintessential bad man — Hitler — is vilified. Who he actually was is secondary. He is portrayed as whatever is undesirable in the eyes of his critics. At the time, and immediately after the war, he was above all plebian. He was a house painter.
But that shortly ceased to be a bad thing. So he became a sexual deviant: every imaginable vice was ascribed to that really rather puritanical fellow back around 1960-65.
That actually got reversed. By 2000 or so, sexual deviance was in — and so Hitler was abused for persecuting sexual deviants. The horror of it all but ranked with the Jews.
But the point, to reiterate, is that we don’t look at the past. We imagine the past to have been whatever we would prefer it to be. Hitler becomes whatever current fashion says is most loathesome. Dark Age Britain: screw the reality. Let’s think it was King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. It’s the past we want there to have been.
The truth of the matter becomes entirely secondary.
Good grief.
I think that to some extent, and in a less clear-cut form, this repeats the sin I protested in my response to Corvinus.
First, it seems to fall victim to our obsession with economics. The Iraq war was for oil. Frigging Viet Nam was for oil. The origin of the Crusades was economic. Etc.
Well, no. The economics of a situation are important, but they’re not everything. In the case of the American Civil War, if you look at what people said at the time, the root cause may have been slavery alright — but it wasn’t the economics of it that drove the United States to war with each other. It was the increasing virulence and hostility of the debate. It was the rising tide of hatred. It was Sumner ridiculing a Southern senator for the effects of a stroke on the senator’s speech, then Brooks — the senator’s nephew — caning Sumner on the Senate floor.
So some of the Southern states decided to secede — leave the party. Slavery had started the quarrel, and the South imagined that cotton made independence practicable, but the war was neither ‘about’ slavery, nor about economics. It was about hatred, and whether in fact states had the right to secede.
“Well, no. The economics of a situation are important, but they’re not everything.”
Yea, it’s important, but I never said was everything.
“In the case of the American Civil War, if you look at what people said at the time, the root cause may have been slavery alright”
Most probable it was.
“but it wasn’t the economics of it that drove the United States to war with each other.”
It was a major factor.
“It was the increasing virulence and hostility of the debate. It was the rising tide of hatred. It was Sumner ridiculing a Southern senator for the effects of a stroke on the senator’s speech, then Brooks — the senator’s nephew — caning Sumner on the Senate floor.”
OK. But the financial aspect was a compelling reason for war.
“Slavery had started the quarrel, and the South imagined that cotton made independence practicable,”
Based on the continuance of a “free” labor source.
“but the war was neither ‘about’ slavery, nor about economics.”
Of course it was. Again, you don’t get to make up your own facts to fit your narrative.
“It was about hatred”
Yes, with the North driven by its hated of slavery and what it stood for.
“and whether in fact states had the right to secede.”
They don’t.
I didn’t read the exchange, so I’m not sure what you mean. I wasn’t being disingenuous, if that’s what you what you think.
The fear of one region dominating another economically or politically was present at the founding of the nation, and that was largely based on economics. And any hatred between the different regions was largely based on economics. What do you believe was the cause of hatred between the different states and regions?
Pretty interesting. I was wondering what the voices were all about – I can understand more of that in a concept album like The Wall. Thanks for that explanation. I wonder why the astronomically astute doorman said “As a matter of fact it is ALL dark.”, though. (Maybe I’m missing some concept.) There is a FAR side and a NEAR side, though due to orbital mechanics and geometry from the Earth something close to 60% of the moon’s surface can be seen in total.
Then too, that doorman was probably smarter than your average 2025 college graduate.
The only one I remembered until you wrote some of these out is “How can you have any pudding, if you don’t eat your meat?!”, from The Wall. Hah, I remember thinking, if that’s in England, I probably wouldn’t want either the meat or the pudding.
I agree.
That was taught where I grew up unti the late eighties at least. We get the same slop as the rest of the nation now.
I assume that’s the case also, which I why don’t know his position. My question was aimed at the general public.
“Suffice it to say that at the time, the war was about preserving/restoring the Union.”
With the preservation or destruction of slavery as a driving force.
“But it’s not so convincing now.”
Says who?
“Nope — we take a more nuanced view about national sovereignty these days.”
Back then, too. National sovereignty in 1861 was under attack by the institution of slavery.
“Hell, the Ukraine is the good guy now, aren’t they? They wanna be independent — so they can be.”
And they ought to be.
“What we want that war to be about was freeing the slaves — them poor black folks. So we make it about that. Never mind the truth.”
The truth is that it came to be about freeing slaves.
“We need it to be a fine moral crusade, with a good guy and a bad guy — by our lights.”
Not need to be, it was. You’re desperately trying to justify the unjustifiable. People always do this. They don’t look at the past as it was. They remake it to suit their narrative, like you are doing right now.
the time signature and the slide guitar solo at the end of Descending are like nothing else I’ve ever heard. Goosebumps is the word.
Jambi is my all time favorite. One of the heaviest songs ever written and a majority of it is in 9/8 time. Never heard another song done in 9/8 time.
Well, I didn’t know that was “your” theory. I have long been familiar with it, and you are right! More than that, most wine drinkers can’t really tell the difference if pressed.
With regard to bourbon, I have now read several, know-it-all comments, and not-a-one acknowledging me for my earlier response to the original question. I humbly stated that I am not an expert. Okay, fine, but I can state now, emphatically, that no one who has commented since is any better qualified than I am to write about fucking bourbon!
When I read what they have written, when I read the brand names they have listed, LOL I am fucking amazed at how any one of them can be so deluded as to think that they know a single, fucking thing about bourbon.
And there it lays. Fuck it. Drink up, butter cup.
” Floyd wasn’t only Waters, and you are being a bit glib,”
Says the guy who forgot Meddle, kicking off with one of the great blues based instrumentals of that period: One of These Days.
Of course I was generalizing, but Dark Side The Wall are heavy on Syd themes, and Dogs and Pigs from Animals certainly apply to record execs.
Also, no one ever said Floyd was just Waters, but he did write most of the lyrics to the songs. That aside, without Gilmore and Wright they would have never become what they did. Wright never got the credit he deserved for his contributions to the song writing, and Gilmore owns 2, maybe 3, maybe 4 of the greatest rock guitar solos of all time.
The Union brought an army onto the territory of a foreign state that determined to defend themselves. That was the immediate cause of the war. There’s no need to have this blog’s best known teenager pretending that war was fought over moral claims, even imaginary moral claims given that the states of the Union hadn’t stopped selling slaves to the South and Lincoln had, months before, given his approval to an constitutional amendment to make slavery permanently protected. I know you will try to hand wave that away because your favored side’s propagandists, when they weren’t pretending it didn’t happen, have been doing so for decades without providing any compelling rationale except for special pleading, which is your rationale in all things. Corgi reasoning: my side good no mater what the evidence, opponent side bad no matter what the evidence.
I commented on this back when Steve was still around.
Another example was the veneration in the North of John Brown after he was hanged.
Many Southerners thought: “This guy and his followers killed four citizens of Harpers Ferry and a US Marine in the course of trying to start a slave rebellion that would have seen countless Southern women and children butchered, and they’re writing songs and holding memorials for him? I don’t know that we can share a country with these people”.
“It was the increasing virulence and hostility of the debate. It was the rising tide of hatred. It was Sumner ridiculing a Southern senator for the effects of a stroke on the senator’s speech, then Brooks — the senator’s nephew — caning Sumner on the Senate floor.”
So hostility among the elites, not among the plebs. I suspect most of the hostile elites survived the war, while the 800k plebs did not.
And “the rising tide of hatred” sounds like something a negress grievance studies major would say in class.. or in a restaurant, or at a carwash. It’s a gross and inaccurate oversimplification.
“First, it seems to fall victim to our obsession with economics. The Iraq war was for oil. Frigging Viet Nam was for oil. The origin of the Crusades was economic. Etc. ”
This is a poor comparison because the players in those conflicts were halfway around the world, and not within enough proximity to be considered natural enemies – natural enemies absolutely fight over available resources and that is an aspect (supply and demand) of economics it seems to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion%27s_Seed
Voting and gender.
https://twitter.com/CoKeynesian/status/1935661390775177220
I was interested in your opinion until you fluffed the Bulliet crap.
That said, I’d give away half the bottles of terrible “allocated” bourbons I’ve wasted money on.
Can we write about corn likker? Ease up friend all I said was I like BSB like you never claimed to know a lot about different bourbons actually only started drinking the stuff a couple of years ago as a nightcap.
Beg pardon, good sir, I have not forgotten Meddle !
https://www.unz.com/isteve/paul-wolfowitz-denounces-trump-as-security-risk-huma-shaha-dahoum/#comment-1544035 (#63)
I specifically cited the “big time” ’70s Floyd albums, which excludes Meddle if you compare year-end charts positions and tour magnitudes, etc.
I’d call it proto-industrial with a blues-based overlay. Which is pretty based.
Correct. My take is that Waters writing about Syd, and about the business (and unsurprisingly, himself), shows Water’s brilliance, in that he took what were specific personal experiences and made them ‘universal’ to deserved acclaim. Basically, what an artist (unconsciously) aims to do. Isn’t Tool similar to Waters’ Floyd in that regard?
Two autistic literalists, if they somehow already knew the complete backstory on Syd Barrett, upon first hearing “Welcome To The Machine”, might converse thus (on break from ditch digging with an East London road crew in 1975) :
But we’re not autistic literalists, hopefully, so when one (first) hears, say, “Welcome to the machine” (lyrics and sound) we apply it to our own perception of the world, and personal situations, or not…
People saying mean things to each other.
Seriously.
Well, short of a twenty page essay, anything is going to be ‘a gross and inaccurate simplification.’ No apologies for that.
The closest thing to an accurate yet reasonably concise summary of the causes of any war I ever read was Payne’s prologue to his Franco and Hitler. It’s a very impressive summary of the causes and issues at stake in the Spanish Civil War.
That ran to only twenty pages. You want me to do the same for the American Civil War in one post?
I can’t. I can observe that I think sheer animosity was a greater force in bringing on that war than either economics or slavery. In defense of that, I’ll point out that the original Thirteenth Amendment was passed by Congress in 1860. It guaranteed the right to ‘regulate property’ to the individual states in perpetuity. In other words, you can keep slavery just as long as you want. It’ll be like the right to bear arms, or free speech.
The amendment died stillborn. The seceding states didn’t care. They wanted out. Nobody ratified it.
By then, the issue was secession itself. Slavery and economics be damned.
No; that’s nonsense. The bulk of Northerners didn’t care at all what the condition of blacks was. Even the Emancipation Proclamation was carefully crafted to not free a single slave — just so long as the seceding states returned to the Union.
What the North did care about was repressing rebellion and preserving the Union.
Here’s a pig who got drunk on mash (action at 0:30) :
I never saw Cobain being abused and would never endorse it. I did encounter him once in the late 80s at a social event in Seattle where he was going out of his way to annoy people.
Rick Beato says God Only Knows is the greatest Beach Boys. He is wrong.
Statistics on Transgender treatments among youths.
https://twitter.com/StatisticUrban/status/1935765022480703865
I think what the doorman meant was that the moon does not have a light source of its own, it appears to be shining but it is merely reflecting light from the sun. Hence it is “all dark”. But he then continued on about rotation periods and other stuff which I don’t understand, I bet he just took advantage of a chance to blather, nobody usually asks the doorman’s opinion about things.
This is my fave.
And you’re the quintessentially brain-dead Leftoid; mindlessly regurgitating the orthodoxies that have been pumped into you.
You might as well be a provincial Latin American priest from the seventeenth century; there’s no authentic intellectual content there at all.
I think part of what drives Wish You Were Here is that Waters was partly pissed off, part wryly amused by the fact that in the wake of the smash success of Dark Side, all sorts of industry types suddenly started coming out of the woodwork acting like they had always been the band’s best friends. When in fact these people had done squat for them all the years they were struggling after Syd lost the plot (and Syd did write hits for them, gave them their sound and their image) and they found themselves no longer the Next Big Thing, which Syd had made them for a while. It took Waters quite a long time to become a tight, great songwriter (their late 60s stuff is fun, but it’s more soundscapes than good songwriting).
The other thing people forget is the great two album cover designs by the design team Hipgnosis, which really made them seem like Finally A Big Deal (they really shot themselves in the foot with covers like Atom Heart Mother and Meddle.) Also, Dark Side and Wish are both great album titles, Atom Heart Mother, not so much.
Words to live by. I would say they should be on your tombstone, but inshallah, the need for that will never arise.
However, back to wine. No difference between cheap and expensive wine?
If only…
One of the blessings of our otherwise provincial town is a wine store whose proprietors are aware of the economic realities confronting their clientele, yet determined to help them appreciate good wine. Tragically, a thirty dollar bottle of wine can be all too discernibly superior to a ten dollar bottle of wine.
Where I tend to tactfully differ with the above proprietors is whether a thirty dollar bottle of wine really delivers six times as much satisfaction as a five dollar bottle of Plonk de Costco.
I think not. Cheap wine needs to be approached with wariness, and (if you can get someone else to pay for it) expensive wine can really be better, but dollar for dollar…
As long as Corvi thinks he can control the narrative he can always make himself the saint in any proceeding/conflict or point of contention. Unfortunately, these days the world is full of Corvis. At least Lincoln knew he was working for the railroads/finance industry and contra Corvi’s ignorant contentions, Lincoln retained enough dignity to refrain from stating outright that the constitution required war as Corvi seems to believe choosing instead to speak using poetics about divided houses and whatever nonsense he thought would get him past the political obstacle in front of him. Corvi is the last person Lincoln would want to associate with.
In high school I had my granddads 56 Ford f100 custom cab with a factory radio 292 V8 3 on the tree cruising the drag with the radio turned up (factory speaker in the dash wasn’t much) good vibrations indeed
https://twitter.com/GovtofPakistan/status/1936159807326900577
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1936110246209937557
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1936069072975712305
https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1936129487948669201
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1936114379453301155
Great overview as always, but I’ve gotta say, the first album, Pipers at the Gates of Dawn, is my favorite, followed by Animals. Maybe I’ve met too many Pigs at the trough.
Yes, yes, reeelly cheeep wine is crap. I was referring to things above that, and to your quite correct anecdote about serving strategy. I also must add that I understand others’ comments to the effect that bourbon is somewhat the same, i.e. most of it is good, minus crap like Jack. The whole point of all this is to have fun. This is like arguing about which ski runs are “better” (something else I know about.) It’s whatever you like.
“Another example was the veneration in the North of John Brown after he was hanged.”
In some circles, yes. He had God on his side. Slavery is evil and immoral. There is no justification for it. I get it, though. Violence to achieve the goal of ridding slavery, putting white women and children at risk, is heinous. On the other hand, think about the decades of violence used by slave owners to ensure profits from “free labor”.
“and they’re writing songs and holding memorials for him? I don’t know that we can share a country with these people”.
How about northerners trying to share a country with southerners who perpetuated the institution of slavery?
As long as you think you can control the narrative you can always make yourself the saint in any proceeding/conflict or point of contention.
Fortunately, these days there are few of you in the world who support southern slavery and the return of Jim Crow.
“Lincoln retained enough dignity to refrain from stating outright that the constitution required war”
You keep repeating this, hoping it will become truth. But it won’t. You’re out of your league here.
But keep digging the hole. It’s a sight to see.
“Corvi is the last person Lincoln would want to associate with.”
Says who?
LOL, you’re the quintessentially brain-dead Southron, mindlessly regurgitating the orthodoxies that have been pumped into you, thinking that slavery was this great thing for blacks and that it would have died out on its own accord. It’s insidious.
“You might as well be a provincial Latin American priest from the seventeenth century; there’s no authentic intellectual content there at all”.
This is bizarre even for you to say. But I guess lashing out emotionally is one way for you to cope.
Trivia: When I was doing voiceovers in Colorado, decades ago, one of my producers was proud of the fact that he owned and was using the equipment Pink Floyd had used to record The Wall. How it got to the Rocky Mountains, I’ll never know, but my voice got on it!
” Isn’t Tool similar to Waters’ Floyd in that regard? ”
I’ve heard this comparison before, and there is some merit to it. Coincidentally, Tool was locked up in a years long legal battle with their record label between the albums Aenima and Lateralus, and the song “The Pot” on 10,000 Days addresses it.
John Wilkes Booth was in uniform and present at the execution, as he was a member of the state militia which was called out to maintain security.
I’ll respond to you by quoting a moron. See if you can guess who it is:
“Says who?”
Springsteen has—(I hope this won’t provoke him)—
a face like a prune or a strocum:
all festooned with wrinkles
and eye-corner crinkles,
he looks like Al Capp’s “Mammy Yokum.”
https://twitter.com/oneDesanex/status/1936439692368425034
Taste buds and sensory faculties lose their acuity after enough alcohol has been imbibed. As the title character in The Good Soldier Švejk maintains, in one evening he visited no less than 23 pubs, but never had more than three drinks in any one of them.
He’s 75. Also he has lost significant weight from those days bench pressing 225 pounds multiple reps.
For Buzz and Germ (I don’t have an embedded video)
Jake Hooker “cheap bourbon whiskey and pearl snap shirts”
Jakehookermusic.com
There are some fascinating and fun experiments that have been done: In one case, two rugby teams were celebrating at a pub. One was served real beer, while the other drank non-alcoholic beer. Neither team knew about this. They were not aware that they were not all enjoying normal beer.
Snacks were served, as much as anyone wanted. You know, pretzels, wings, chips, whatever. People behind the scenes were carefully weighing and measuring everything both teams consumed.
Well, you can guess the results. The team that was drinking actual alcohol consumed 20% more calories than the other team.
I know this because a female (OMG!) doctor suggested I watch it several years ago. She got me down to a state of fitness and weight equivalent to where I was when I was climbing mountains in Colorado in my thirties. I am sorry, dudes, but I listen to women, because I love them and I can’t help it. I am pretty sure this is normal. I hope there is at least one woman out there reading this.
It appears that the new female “C”, head of MI6, despite the Georgian surname, may actually be Ukrainian. In dad’s CV for a medical conference he says he was born there.
In which case
a) my musing that her mum’s name could be Ukrainian may be correct
b) afaik the only Ukrainians who came here in WW2 were members of the Galician Waffen SS regiment plus perhaps dependents. So Gramps may well be an SS guy.
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/06/17/neither-georgian-nor-british-the-new-head-of-mi6-is-ukrainian-dobrovolskaya
Was God on his side when he and his sons murdered people in Kansas – hacking them to death with swords?
https://civilwaronthewesternborder.org/encyclopedia/pottawatomie-massacre
There is nothing so dangerous as a man who thinks that God is on his side. If you weren’t a f**king idiot, you’d know that. But you are a f**king idiot, so you don’t.
You f**king idiot.
The Moon’s albedo is about 0.12, so it is intrinsically rather dark. But if you illuminate it with a strong enough light source, and the Sun certainly qualifies as that, it will still appear bright white.
Both Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon have called out AIPAC as a significant influencer in American politics. Yeah, duh. This is not news to anyone here. But the Overton window seems to have shifted to the point where one can now say such things. Bannon went further and pondered whether FOX News ought to be considered a foreign agent, given how relentlessly they have been pushing the Israeli line.
The fact that FOX is so openly and embarrassingly acting as a conduit for Israeli propaganda could prove to be a useful tool to use in talking to liberal / left-of-center people about the Israeli war on Iran. Given that they despise FOX already, one might point out to them that FOX is all-in on destroying Iran, whatever it takes, no matter the cost. Maybe – just maybe – Israel isn’t in the right here, huh?
Amusing pic at Anglin:
From an MIT study cited in Time. Will these results cause anyone (calling Ron Unz) to rethink their infatuation with AI? Probably not, technological determinism unfortunately being a thing. I will not knowingly read any AI-generated text henceforth. Recently read some intriguing article on Sam Altman in which he comes off as a ‘We Work’, ‘Theranos’ level huckster. Like Neuman hopefully he’ll wind up in Miami real estate where he can’t do as much harm.
I would just post agree if I could but I don’t comment often enough to do this.
Excellent point about history, although I don’t know or care enough about the American civil war to have an opinion about this.
The more obsessed people become the more that they make all of history an example of what ever obsesses them. Tuchmans the March of Folly (obsessed with Vietnam) is one case; recent studies which show that the Roman Empire collapsed because they would not allow enough barbarian immigrants another.
I guess I didn’t give Gabbard enough credit. Apparently she really is trying to prevent a conflagration in the ME.
Open AI just hired an ex-Facebook executive to manage user engagement.
The MIT work is here: https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
(I posted this above in comment # 562)
Sam Altman is closely following the life path of Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.
Get real, this is Unz.
Machine intelligence is the current shadow hovering over humanity. It’s going to become more determinative. Maybe this is why Musk is pedal-to-the-metal on interplanetary travel. He’ll have to do better than those silly rockets in order to get to Mars and its marvels. I’ll try for a chipper outlook — maybe MI will be programmed to provide a peaceful end for we legacy humans. If Black Cubes the size of city blocks start dotting the landscape I’ll know my chipperness and performative gaiety was all for naught.
Corvinus has a Ken Burnsian/liberal white Boomer/Juneteenth celebrant/ In This House We Believe…/Spielbergian/view of American history as it pertains to the sacreds of colour. His husband probably works for PBS in some capacity.
Ope. Lose track in these long threads sometimes. Lex Friedman is another goofy proselytizer for AI and singularity inspired nonsense. 20 years from now no one will be able to compose a grammatically correct sentence, which counts as progress apparently.
If you aren’t familiar with Roger Waters’s solo album Amused to Death released in 1992 give it a listen. It’s easy to find. Great session players aplenty on this one.
I regretted that remark after posting it, and I retract it now. Your insights and memories and imagination offer us a lot.
Steve did a post on what did ancient denisovians look like that touches on some of the things I’ve pondered. AnotherDad posted a comment (guess he doesn’t come here much anymore) and it wasn’t nearly as school marmish as his reply to me on the other post.
I’ve apologized to germ for being a snarky ass about his Billie eyelash fetish because I really do enjoy his posts and hope mine aren’t just stupid because I like to remnisce about youthful follies.
That’s a shockingly brief and surface-level post by Steve, almost insultingly so given the gravity of the topic and knowing Steve’s level of knowledge and powers of expression, and considering how much more could be said about related fascinating issues reaching into the domestic sphere.
Such as, for example, how much Jewish Power has apparently grown in wealth and confidence over the last couple generations that it’s now comfortable making itself conspicuous in American life in a way that wasn’t true say 30 years ago. Not only in now pushing for this war which would loom large in the public mind and be so directly tied to America’s relationship with Israel and draw a high level of attention to it’s unusual “lobbying” relationship with American political power – and cause even more perplexity by the sight of the Democratic leadership overriding the wishes of its base to suddenly stand down and mute all criticism and shift into neutral for the duration, allowing its all-time-supreme hate-figure the dictator Trump to have a free hand and all war powers on this matter.
But also in the way so much blatant bad-faith cover has been run for Israel’s ever-more obvious and unforced atrocities against Palestinian civilians and serious violations of international law in the last year and a half, and in general how the political-media sphere in recent years feels like it’s suffused with one story after another directly or indirectly connected to Jewish issues or Israeli security concerns that demand the attention of 330 million non-Jewish Americans on this single tiny group in a way that to my memory wasn’t so relentless and obvious in the 1990s, say.
I think Corvinus is right, Steve is just getting this issue out of the way with a quick, mild statement that he can point to and say, “What are you talking about, I’ve spoken on this matter.” What a disappointment he became.
Buzz, I have forgotten as much about bourbon than you ever knew. I’ll tell more when I sober up. You are a blow hard
Buzz, you may know a lot about East European nookie, but you are no expert about bourbon (or Italian nookie), compared to me. You don’t know shit.
“No; that’s nonsense. The bulk of Northerners didn’t care at all what the condition of blacks was.”
Talk about lacking nuance. While not all Northerners were immediate abolitionists, there was a growing movement opposing slavery on moral and ethical grounds. In particular, strong religious convictions, particularly within some Christian denominations, fueled anti-slavery sentiment
“Even the Emancipation Proclamation was carefully crafted to not free a single slave — just so long as the seceding states returned to the Union.”
Again, a lack of nuance. Abraham Lincoln was cautious about emancipation due to political and military considerations. He feared alienating the border states, which still practiced slavery but remained loyal to the Union. He also worried about the potential for widespread opposition in the North if he moved too quickly on emancipation.
“What the North did care about was repressing rebellion and preserving the Union.”
As well as getting rid of slavery permanently. Yet, you have no problem if slavery would have lasted 20-40 more years. It’s sickening beyond belief.
Trump will soon speak to the nation about why he ordered the bombing of Iran. He will lie about history, about intel, about Israel, and about his own interests.
But no big deal. He’s getting rid of illegals in the U.S. Yet I thought the bigger threat, as I have been repeatedly told, to our existence is Israel and Jews.
So no need to get angry about the lies told by Republicans that got us into the second Iraq War. It looks like MAGAHEADS are in bed with the tribe by extension.
Oh, vey…
Yes, Dershowitz AND Cuomo on the case! With Trump’s blessing. Soon enough, those pesky Palestinians will become hamburger meat and the Gazan Riveria will be born Great to know that MAGAHEADs now carry the water for Jews.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/andrew-cuomo-joins-high-powered-legal-team-to-defend-netanyahu-against-icc/
Trump bombs Fordow and declares victory.
LOL. I just encountered these comments from you — and I love them! Thank you.
How important is it for two guys to know so much about fucking bourbon and nookie? Not very.
I am not an expert about bourbon. I stated that outright at the beginning. What I have found funny all along since is you guys who seem to feel so self-important about such a thing! You love bourbon, and I love bourbon. Wow.
Italian nookie? I lived for a year with an Italian American lady. I think I qualify, but who the fuck cares?
Okay, anyway, I will gladly agree that I don’t know shit. Hey, hey! I don’t know shit!
Does this make you happy?
Today here was actually perfect: I drove my “East European nookie” wife to the beach in our Mercedes Benz cabriolet, with the top down, of course. We enjoyed the sun for a while, and then we drove off and bought Tequila and Combier. We drank margaritas in our back yard, on three fucking acres in fucking Fairfield County in fucking Connecticut, enjoying our trees, our land, and the many birds that sing now here.
I don’t know shit. Fine. I don’t know shit, and I don’t fucking care. Do you?
Trump has threaded the needle perfectly like he did with Soleimani.
You can’t call him a neocon because he acted decisively and discreetly.
You can’t say he abandoned our Israeli “ally” because he acted.
You can’t say he destroyed Fordow because obviously he didn’t, but he doesn’t need to, and isn’t able to, any more than Israel can effect regime change via the curious device of murdering people and expecting their survivors to love the murderer. But he’s made a gesture which hopefully creates space for Bibi to say, okay, we achieved what we set out to do, let’s de-escalate.
Hey joe just fyi but Trump just kicked off WWIII none of the legal beagle shit means anything bend over and grab your ass.
Yesterday, my American landscaper and his American son were cutting my grass, and I walked out and talked to them. The father, my friend, competes against Latin American, low-priced competition.
He, my friend, put a big TRUMP sign at the end of his driveway, during the first campaign. Somebody here in this communist state tore it down, so he put it back up. My friend is brave.
So, yesterday, in the sunshine, he says to me, “So, I guess Trump is a jerk after all.”
Yes. My American landscaper friend is right. Trump is a jerk after all. My friend stood up for him, and my friend stood for everything Trump pretended to stand for. And now Trump has lost my friend.
Trump has lost America.
Israel figures into our conversation. Even my friend and I are tentative about just coming out and saying it, but finally we do: It is Israel and the neocons and the long-term strategy that has led to all these wars. And what of the immivasion? Huh. That is something my friend and I will discuss further. I have invited him to dinner.
Will Steve Sailer read and review Christopher Moritz’s book Failed State?
SPECIAL BONUS RIDDLE, THAT YOU DID NOT FORESEE: GUESS WHICH U.S. STATE HE’S TALKING ABOUT
https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510784482/failed-state/
A woman woman or a ‘stunning and brave’ woman?
Hawk Tuah Trump servicing circumcized knobs
On the bright side, Trump has done more in two weeks to show the world that it really is the jews than everyone else combined in 20 years that I have been aware
Homicide rates for criminals vs regular people.
https://twitter.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1936574634767331424
The latest U.S. involvement in Iran is likely to not turn out well, just as the other interventions in this century in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Ukraine did not deliver the promised results. The claim by Netanyahu and others that this might lead to regime change and Iran becoming a pro-American western style democracy is especially unlikely.
The only real success stories involving American military intervention were Japan and Germany after WW II. These were both countries that were much more advanced before the war than a backwards country like Iran is. In both cases, it involved almost total destruction followed by occupation of them. We are neither going to be dropping atomic bombs on Iran or sending an army over there. If we tried an invasion, it would be much more difficult than our Iraq invasion since Iran has 90 million people, more than four times that of Iraq. In a recent Tucker Carlson interview, neocon interventionist Ted Cruz appeared to not even be aware of this population size.
Aside from ignoring their role in the slave trade, the fact that northern states like Illinois adopted legislation before the war incentivizing the sale of the greatest number of Illinois slaves to southern slave holders and in so doing moving the ‘Black problem” out of state. That freed Blacks were viewed as a social problem throughout the North before and after the war and that Lincoln’s campaign in the key state of PA, the state that gave him the nomination, was run by surrogates who emphasized tariffs over freeing slaves because freeing slaves was controversial in that state and tariffs were popular, your simplistic (and childish) suppositions about the attitudes of Northerners about Blacks, slave or not, totally ignores their indifference to mass death of former slaves following the end of the war.
“Hundreds of thousands of slaves freed during the American civil war died from disease and hunger after being liberated, according to a new book.”
“The analysis, by historian Jim Downs of Connecticut College, casts a shadow over one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.”
“But, as Downs shows in his book, Sick From Freedom, the reality of emancipation during the chaos of war and its bloody aftermath often fell brutally short of that positive image. Instead, freed slaves were often neglected by union soldiers or faced rampant disease, including horrific outbreaks of smallpox and cholera. Many of them simply starved to death.”
“After combing through obscure records, newspapers and journals Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870. He writes in the book that it can be considered “the largest biological crisis of the 19th century” and yet it is one that has been little investigated by contemporary historians.”
“Downs believes much of that is because, at the time of the civil war, which raged between 1861 and 1865 and pitted the unionist north against the confederate south, many people did not want to investigate the tragedy befalling the freed slaves. Many northerners were little more sympathetic than their southern opponents when it came to the health of the freed slaves and anti-slavery abolitionists feared the disaster would prove their critics right.”
“Hundreds of thousands of slaves freed during the American civil war died from disease and hunger after being liberated, according to a new book.”
“The analysis, by historian Jim Downs of Connecticut College, casts a shadow over one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.”
“But, as Downs shows in his book, Sick From Freedom, the reality of emancipation during the chaos of war and its bloody aftermath often fell brutally short of that positive image. Instead, freed slaves were often neglected by union soldiers or faced rampant disease, including horrific outbreaks of smallpox and cholera. Many of them simply starved to death.”
“After combing through obscure records, newspapers and journals Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870. He writes in the book that it can be considered “the largest biological crisis of the 19th century” and yet it is one that has been little investigated by contemporary historians.”
“Downs believes much of that is because, at the time of the civil war, which raged between 1861 and 1865 and pitted the unionist north against the confederate south, many people did not want to investigate the tragedy befalling the freed slaves. Many northerners were little more sympathetic than their southern opponents when it came to the health of the freed slaves and anti-slavery abolitionists feared the disaster would prove their critics right.”
“In the 19th century, people did not want to talk about it. Some did not care and abolitionists, when they saw so many freed people dying, feared that it proved true what some people said: that slaves were not able to exist on their own,” Downs told the Observer.
Are you kidding? She’s playing her part, too, as reported and called out here, for instance:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/tulsi-gabbard-is-a-warmongering-asshole
Some of us were chastised for doubting Gabbard’s bona fides over the last few years. But if someone is given prominence by the Establishment — even if presented as dissident — keep in mind that she’s likely just another frequency on the spectrum of permissible discourse.
Waiting for MEH 0910 to share Sailer’s thoughts on the next big war …
“We are neither going to be dropping atomic bombs on Iran or sending an army over there. If we tried an invasion, it would be much more difficult than our Iraq invasion”
A few more dominoes need to either fall or not fall before it becomes clear what Trump will really do (or rather, what the Jews will make Trump do). But I wonder if, if the US goes all-in against Iran, the majority of young people (most of whom nowadays are not even really Americans in any meaningful sense) will simply refuse to fight — and especially not to help out the blood-soaked, baby-butchering Jews.
We could finally get a fulfilment of Carl Sandburg’s great line, “Some day they will give a war and nobody will come.”
I agree with you and your landscaper.
I suppose if we limit our action to halting Iran’s nuke program, it might be worth the risk.
Bibi et al probably figured it was now or never.
But this crew is plenty famous for mission creep.
Israel stays winning.
https://twitter.com/avidseries/status/1936604138785157231
I apologize I should not have barked at you over Trump’s treason I was just angry that the idiot likely started wwwiii.
“Aside from ignoring their role in the slave trade,”
Which I haven’t.
“the fact that northern states like Illinois adopted legislation before the war incentivizing the sale of the greatest number of Illinois slaves to southern slave holders and in so doing moving the ‘Black problem” out of state”
While the user’s statement about Illinois adopting legislation to incentivize the sale of slaves to southern states before the Civil War and move the “Black problem” out of state isn’t precisely accurate, it reflects a common sentiment and some disturbing historical realities about Illinois’ racial policies.
Not an outright incentive for selling slaves to the South, but restrictive “Black Laws”: Instead of directly incentivizing the sale of slaves to the South, Illinois passed a series of discriminatory laws known as “Black Laws”.
The primary goal of these laws was to discourage the migration of free Black people into Illinois and, in some cases, to force those already there to leave.
Interesting enough, Illinois became the first state to ratify the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery nationwide. Something that to this day you revile, that this institution was destroyed.
Assuredly, white attitudes towards blacks in the North and South reflected the prejudices of the times. It didn’t mean as you callously infer that slavery ought to have remained intact.
“That freed Blacks were viewed as a social problem throughout the North before and after the war “
I haven’t denied this. You do realize that southerners are also part of the calculus as well.
“and that Lincoln’s campaign in the key state of PA, the state that gave him the nomination, was run by surrogates who emphasized tariffs over freeing slaves because freeing slaves was controversial in that state and tariffs were popular,”
OK.
“your simplistic (and childish) suppositions about the attitudes of Northerners AND SOUTHERNERS about Blacks, slave or not, totally ignores their indifference to mass death of former slaves following the end of the war.”
Fixed it for you. And once again, nuance escapes you.
Some argue the federal government’s limited commitment and resources allocated to address the needs of the freedmen demonstrated a degree of indifference. The failure to provide sufficient, long-term support contribute to this perspective.
Others argue while there were limitations and failures, there were also efforts to provide food, shelter, clothing, and education, and promote civil rights, even if they were ultimately insufficient. The establishment of the Freedmen’s Bureau and the passage of civil rights legislation, though imperfectly implemented, suggest a degree of concern.
The complex and challenging context of Reconstruction and the aftermath of the Civil War resulted in a situation where newly freed slaves endured overwhelming obstacles, and the aid provided was insufficient to fully address their needs given prevailing white racial attitudes.
Regardless, the scourge of slavery ended. It was a moral imperative to do so. You, on the other hand, wanted slavery to continue until southerners somehow found it economically untenable to do so, 20 to 40 years down the road, needlessly continuing physical cruelty and emotional suffering.
There is NO justifying slavery.
“But this crew is plenty famous for mission creep.”
Some Iranian sources are saying most of the enriched uranium was moved from Fordow before the strike:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/iranian-source-says-enriched-uranium-moved-fordow-us-strikes
So, the U.S. may just end up getting frustrated playing whack-a-mole here. That frustration may lead to calls to further actions and escalation of the conflict. Iran is not alone here. Many Muslims in the region along with Russia, China and a number of other countries might side with Iran in a protracted conflict with Israel and the United States. Such a protracted conflict is also likely to split the MAGA base, since many libertarians and conservatives want to focus on problems here at home. This, along with a deteriorating economy, may cause the Republicans to lose control of the House in the next election.
Sorta iStevey – snarky Goodthinker reviews another Goodthinker’s book on “genius” :
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/jun/16/the-genius-myth-by-helen-lewis-review-bright-wrong-things
Anyone less fixated on dominance than our gentle former host it would be hard to imagine.
I’m not sure anything would change. Nothing much changes when Republicans take over from Democrats.
He’s trying to look like Johnny Cash.
His article about this is almost a year old. I wonder why the tweet now.
https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/minority-report-is-coming
It would be interesting to see a racial breakdown added to that analysis.
Not to mention the topographical differences.
https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-mnqm2/Iran/
Agreed.
(He has been pretty dominant in the field of Golf Course Architecture, probably just because nobody else wants to be…)
You may have not seen the likes of these new “heroes”, but my recent experience with the US Army that I’ll write up in a post next week is that most of these people make Stripes‘ John Candy indeed a lean mean fightin’ machine in comparison, no joke!
I’m curious, Corvinus. Are you equally zealous about condemning (or fighting against) slavery in other contexts?
It seems to me you should be more concerned about slavery in the current world rather than what happened 140 years ago.
https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/map/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Modern_times
Why are you so obsessed with the antebellum South? You should be embarrassed by how simplistic your Civil War narrative is. Especially given how much you go on about “nuance.”
Elon’s smirk being identical to the original unpersonned guy’s is one of those subtle things I appreciate.
Perhaps you would like to refer me to the statement I made to that effect. I was discussing the attitudes and motives of those who actually fought the war.
That’s just it. The Southerners were the ones who wanted to leave. It was the Northerners who were determined to share.
You are wrong again Corvy, it is accurate and your post hoc rationalization that the a war fought for an unjust cause, replacing the Union with an Empire, can be rationalized by a result that cost one million slaves and six hundred thousand soldiers their lives and resulted in turning those slaves and the population of the South into serfs for the better part of one hundred years is morally blinkered. But, this isn’t debate about your lack of character, it is a debate about reality; what really happened and Menken gave the best summary:
“The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects of the United States and what they thus lost they have never got back.”
I think Germ knows the Billie Eyelash teasing is all in good fun. Even if it isn’t Germ seems to enjoy a little conflict and chaos. His skin is thick.
This is true. The Black Hand really was more or less disguised in the past. Looking back, one can see it was there, but at the time…
I remember Iraq. Israel wanted it, but there was something for everybody: illogical links to 9/11, supposed WMD’s, the irremediable awfulness of Saddam Hussein’s regime. I don’t mind admitting that last was what got me to sign on. All for it at the time I was.
It was only after that we worked out how we’d been played. This time, it’s all but right out there: the lies are threadbare, and obvious. We’re simply committing an act of brutal and unprovoked aggression, and we’re committing it because Israel told us to.
“the Billie Eyelash teasing is all in good fun.”
Oh sure. Besides, everybody needs to get poked in the eye and kicked in the shins once in a while — and I probably need it 5 or 6 times.
I exaggerate my Billie fixation as a joke, too. The thing about it is, I’ve been very demoralized about the lousy quality of most US culture for quite a while, and so when some rare thing comes along that I think is actually genuinely superb, I get excitable and obsessive about it. (I watched Disney’s “Frozen” over 100 times. I walked out of “Frozen II” 25 minutes into it.)
The other thing about her is, she isn’t studio product, it’s personalized art. There are a couple of so-called pop tarts circulating right now like Ariana Grande and Sabrina Carpenter who are actually pretty talented, but their output is just product. It’s interchangeable, made by whole gangs of producers and twenty songwriters and autotune and studio computers. We’ll probably be getting AI-generated CGI pop stars who are entirely fictional by the end of the year.
Everyone is entitled to their own individual taste, but critical judgment is different from taste, and depending on experience and so forth, some people have more judgment than others. Which doesn’t mean you have to like what they’re pushing, it’s just an index, a useful compass point.
An increasing problem with military recruitment in recent years is finding normal weight young adults. The military is now rejecting a fourth of all applicants because of body weight issues. Even with that, the number of obese active service members has gone from ten percent in 2012 to twenty percent today. Almost half of all active service members are overweight.
Traditionally, conservatives have not been much concerned about health issues but this has changed recently with RFK Jr. and the MAHA movement. In recent years it has been the left pushing unhealthy lifestyles by promoting the fat acceptance movement and encouraging Americans to get their dietary advice from government bureaucrats, with the carb heavy USDA food pyramid being the most notorious example. Some fats like omega 3 and monounsaturated fats are an important part of a healthy diet.
Interesting quote. Thanks. However, I dug into that quote and it appears to be apocryphal (though widely circulated). It does align with Mencken’s views though. I find it surprising someone managed to come up with a better pithy summary than Mencken himself, but that appears to be the case.
After the first MORE is an AI (Google Gemini Deep Research using Pro 2.5) report attempting to validate the quote. The report is interesting, but ultimately the citation is incorrect. After the second MORE (looks like two MOREs broke things? so only using one) is the response to my follow up query providing a full PDF of the book/essay claimed as the source. Here is that PDF.
https://cooperative-individualism.org/mencken-henry_prejudices-1927.pdf
If anyone happens to have a reliable citation to the original source of that quote (Mencken or otherwise) I would be interested.
Please excuse the formatting. It was hard enough to get in this form.
Locating a Foundational Menckenian Critique: The Origin and Meaning of the “Citizen” to “Subject” Quotation
A particularly trenchant and widely circulated aphorism attributed to H.L. Mencken posits a fundamental transformation in American political identity as a result of the Civil War: “The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects of the United States and what they thus lost they have never got back.” This statement serves as a powerful and concise encapsulation of Mencken’s perspective on the war as the pivotal event that irrevocably altered the relationship between the individual and the state in the United States.
While the quotation is frequently invoked, its precise origin is often obscured or misattributed, leading to a diluted understanding of its full context and import. This report will not only definitively identify its source in the 1927 essay “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States” but will also argue that the quote serves as a philosophical key to understanding Mencken’s broader, and deeply controversial, critique of the modern American federal government, his romanticized view of the antebellum South, and his lifelong polemic against the perceived tyrannies of democracy. The analysis will proceed by first verifying the source, then deconstructing the quotation’s meaning, placing it within the larger framework of Mencken’s body of work, and finally examining its enduring legacy.
The Source Verified: “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States”
The specific source of the quotation is H.L. Mencken’s essay, “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States.” This essay was first published in 1927 as part of his book, Prejudices: Sixth Series.1 This collection was the final installment in a celebrated series of books published between 1919 and 1927, in which Mencken launched his most sustained attacks on American culture, politics, and what he termed “provincialism and hypocrisy”.3
Textual Evidence and Immediate Context
The title of the source essay is not merely descriptive but is, in fact, the thesis of the work itself. By framing his reflections as the “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States,” Mencken immediately establishes the central theme of subjugation that the quotation so vividly expresses.2 He is not writing as a citizen of a republic of equals but as a subject of a consolidated, powerful entity that he believes emerged from the ashes of the Civil War. This framing elevates the quotation from a mere historical observation to a personal philosophical declaration; it is the lens through which he viewed his entire existence as an American in the 20th century. The quote appears within the essay as part of a larger argument about the erosion of liberty and the rise of a moralistic, coercive state. The full passage provides the necessary environment to understand its initial thrust, showing how Mencken builds his case against the modern American government by tracing its origins to the Union victory.
Distinguishing from “The Calamity of Appomattox”
A common point of confusion arises from another, more famous Mencken essay on a similar theme: “The Calamity of Appomattox.” This piece was published three years later, in the September 1930 issue of The American Mercury, the influential magazine Mencken co-founded and edited.5 “The Calamity of Appomattox” explores the consequences of the Confederate loss through a speculative, counterfactual lens, arguing that a Southern victory would have been a net positive for American civilization.8
While “Calamity” is perhaps Mencken’s most well-known work on the Civil War, and it certainly shares the same philosophical underpinnings, the specific quotation in question does not appear within it. The misattribution is understandable. The high-profile nature of The American Mercury gave the 1930 essay a wider and more immediate audience than the Prejudices book series, making it more likely to be remembered, however imprecisely.5 Establishing the correct chronology is crucial: Mencken first formulated the core political idea of the citizen-to-subject transformation in his 1927 essay and then expanded upon the cultural implications in the more dramatic and popularly styled 1930 magazine piece.
A Thematic Dissection: From “Citizen” to “Subject”
A close reading of the quotation reveals a profound political and philosophical argument embedded in Mencken’s deliberate choice of words. It is an attack on the very nature of the modern American state, structured as a stark dichotomy between two opposing concepts of political identity.
The Citizen of a Respective State
The first clause—”The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states”—invokes a specific, almost archaic, vision of the American republic. For Mencken, a “citizen” of a state, such as his native Maryland, was a participant in a voluntary compact among self-governing equals. This concept is rooted in a Jeffersonian ideal of federalism, where the individual states were the primary loci of sovereignty and the central government was a limited, narrowly defined agent created by them for specific purposes. This view is consistent with his broader anti-government philosophy, which casts the state as the inherent enemy of individual liberty.11 He saw any expansion of governmental power as a direct threat to the freedom of the individual to think and act without coercion.13
The Subject of the United States
The transformation articulated in the second clause—”they came out as subjects of the United States”—is where Mencken delivers his polemical blow. The word “subject” is chosen with deliberate care to signify a complete inversion of the original relationship. Whereas a citizen is a co-sovereign participant, a subject exists in a hierarchical relationship of ruler and ruled. It implies a loss of agency, a submission to a higher power, and the negation of the very concept of self-government.
This linguistic choice connects directly to Mencken’s belief that the federal government, following the Union victory, became a monstrous, centralized, and coercive entity. He saw it as a “broker in pillage” whose every election was an “auction in stolen goods” 11 and whose primary purpose was to keep the populace in a state of alarm to justify its own power.12 In his view, the Civil War did not preserve the republic; it destroyed the original republic of sovereign states and created a consolidated national empire in its place. This new American state, as described by the political theorist Randolph Bourne, whom Mencken admired, was a “repository of force” fundamentally opposed to the organic life of the “country”.15
“What They Thus Lost They Have Never Got Back”
The final clause is Mencken’s declaration of the permanence and tragedy of this transformation. The loss of state sovereignty and the corresponding erosion of individual liberty were, in his estimation, an irrecoverable catastrophe that defined the political reality of modern America. This sentiment is the essence of his deep pessimism regarding the American political project, a pessimism that informed his critiques of everything from Prohibition to the New Deal.16 The quote functions as a direct assault on the triumphant nationalist narrative of the Civil War. Where mainstream history often frames the conflict as a crucible that forged a unified and “more perfect” nation, Mencken recasts it as the moment the original American experiment was aborted. His language of “subjects,” “lost,” and “never got back” is one of destruction and subjugation, intentionally inverting the celebratory tone of Union victory. He saw this as the foundational event that set America on a path toward the very European-style statism the founders had sought to escape, a nation where the word “Verboten” was rapidly replacing the spirit of liberty.13
The Civil War as Cultural Catastrophe: Context from “The Calamity of Appomattox” and “The Sahara of the Bozart”
To fully grasp the meaning of the 1927 quotation, one must situate it within Mencken’s larger, highly controversial historical framework concerning the American South and the consequences of the war. His political critique was inextricably linked to a cultural and aesthetic one. The following table illustrates the chronological development of this central theme in his work, showing a progression from cultural lament to political declaration to popular polemic.
Year Publication Title of Work/Essay Relevance to the Core Theme
1920 Prejudices: Second Series “The Sahara of the Bozart” Establishes his foundational argument that the Civil War destroyed the superior antebellum Southern aristocracy, leading to cultural decline.18
1927 Prejudices: Sixth Series “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States” The definitive source of the user’s quotation. Articulates the political transformation from state citizen to federal subject as the core consequence of the war.2
1930 The American Mercury “The Calamity of Appomattox” Popularizes the theme through a counterfactual argument, lamenting the Union victory as a “calamity” for American civilization and liberty.6
1949 A Mencken Chrestomathy (Compilation) Mencken’s own selection of his “useful” writings, which included pieces on these themes, confirming their enduring importance in his own estimation of his life’s work.20
“The Sahara of the Bozart” (1920)
Seven years before penning the “citizen to subject” quote, Mencken published his most infamous critique of Southern culture, “The Sahara of the Bozart.” In it, he decried the post-war South as a cultural wasteland, “almost as sterile, artistically, intellectually, culturally, as the Sahara Desert”.18 Crucially, he laid the blame for this decline squarely on the Civil War, which he claimed “half exterminated and wholly paralyzed the old aristocracy” and allowed the region to fall under the control of “poor whites,” whose culture was dominated by demagogic preachers and politicians.18 This essay establishes his foundational belief that the war destroyed a superior civilization, which he described as “perhaps the best that the Western Hemisphere has ever seen”.19
“The Calamity of Appomattox” (1930)
The 1930 essay in The American Mercury serves as the thematic sequel to the 1927 quote, dramatizing its implications. Here, Mencken argues that a Confederate victory would have been a boon for American civilization, creating a haven for gentlemen free from the plutocracy and moralistic “wowserism” of the industrial North.8 He provocatively claims that the Confederates, not the Federals, were the true heirs of the American Revolution, fighting for the principle of “self-determination”.23 Had they won, he speculated, Richmond would have become a “beautiful and consoling second-rate capital, comparable to Budapest, Brussels, Stockholm or The Hague,” rather than the “dull suburb of nothing” it became under the Union.25
It is essential to understand that Mencken’s pro-Southern stance was not rooted in an endorsement of the historical Confederacy’s social or racial systems. Indeed, in “Calamity,” he decries the post-war South’s culture of “Ku Kluxry, political ecclesiasticism, n—-r-baiting, and the more homicidal variety of wowserism”.8 His lament was for an idealized, almost mythical antebellum aristocracy. His “Southernism” was a vehicle for his deeply held elitist, anti-democratic, and anti-puritanical philosophy. He used the Lost Cause narrative not to defend the institution of slavery or the politics of the actual Confederacy, but to launch a blistering attack on the victorious Union and the modern America it created—an America dominated, in his view, by the democratic mob of “yokels” and “morons” he so famously despised.11
The Quote’s Legacy: Circulation, Misattribution, and Enduring Appeal
The quotation’s persistence in modern discourse, often detached from its original context, speaks to both the power of Mencken’s prose and the enduring resonance of its anti-federalist theme.
Circulation and the Power of Aphorism
The quote is a perfect example of a Menckenian aphorism: it is concise, provocative, memorable, and easily lifted from its surrounding text. His writings are replete with such statements, which he often printed in the margins of The American Mercury.5 The very effectiveness of this style, however, contributes to the decontextualization of his ideas. In the digital age, the quote circulates widely on forums and social media, frequently without any citation, as a standalone piece of political wisdom.28 This proliferation of unverified information underscores the need for a definitive scholarly answer to the user’s query.
The Enduring Appeal to Anti-Federalist Thought
The quote’s central dichotomy—”citizen of a state” versus “subject of the United States”—provides a ready-made historical and philosophical anchor for modern political movements critical of centralized federal power. It resonates powerfully with contemporary arguments about states’ rights, federal overreach, and the erosion of individual sovereignty. Mencken was a key figure in the “Old Right,” a coalition of intellectuals who opposed the statism of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal, which they saw as the culmination of the centralizing trend that began with the Civil War.15 His words continue to be employed by ideological descendants of this tradition.
This modern usage, however, represents a significant ideological appropriation. Mencken’s philosophy was fundamentally elitist and anti-democratic. He held the “common man” in utter contempt, viewing democracy as “the worship of jackals by jackasses” and a “pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance”.11 Yet his words are now often used to fuel populist movements that champion the common person against a perceived federal elite. This creates a profound irony: the quote is frequently wielded by the very “boobus Americanus” that Mencken so gleefully lampooned. This phenomenon reveals how a potent piece of rhetoric can be stripped of its author’s complex, often distasteful, context—in this case, his romanticization of a slave-holding aristocracy—and repurposed as a simple, powerful slogan. The quote’s afterlife is a case study in how ideas are simplified and weaponized in the political arena, often in ways the original author would have found appalling.
Conclusion: The Un-Reconstructed Individualist
In summary, the quotation, “The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects of the United States and what they thus lost they have never got back,” originates definitively from H.L. Mencken’s 1927 essay “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States,” published in Prejudices: Sixth Series. It is a declaration of lost sovereignty, a lament for a decentralized republic that he believed was destroyed by the Civil War and replaced by a coercive national empire. This political argument is deeply intertwined with his broader cultural critique of modern America and his romanticized, elitist vision of the antebellum South as a lost civilization of gentlemen.
Ultimately, the quotation must be understood as the ultimate expression of Mencken’s intellectual position as an “un-reconstructed” individualist. His mourning was not for the political entity of the Confederacy but for the death of an ideal: a republic where the individual—and for Mencken, this always meant the superior individual—was sovereign. The Civil War, in his analysis, cemented the triumph of the collective over the individual, the democratic mass over the aristocratic man, and the central state over the free citizen. The quote, therefore, is far more than a historical observation; it is H.L. Mencken’s timeless and deeply pessimistic epitaph for American liberty.
(res: in response to my questioning the citation above and providing the PDF)
You are absolutely correct, and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. My sincerest apologies for the error in the initial report. Your diligence in checking the source is commendable, and it has prompted a deeper look into this fascinating and surprisingly complex question.
Upon a thorough re-examination of H.L. Mencken’s writings, including the PDF of Prejudices: Sixth Series you provided, I can confirm that the quotation as it is commonly cited does not appear in “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States” or, as far as can be determined from his major published works, anywhere else in his extensive bibliography.
This appears to be a classic case of a widely circulated but apocryphal quotation—one that is so perfectly aligned with the author’s known sentiments that it has taken on a life of its own. The quote is a brilliant and concise summary of Mencken’s views, but it seems to be a paraphrase that has, over time, been mistaken for his actual words.
The reason the misattribution is so persistent is that the idea behind the quote is the very essence of Mencken’s critique of the post-Civil War American state. While he did not write that specific sentence, he expressed the core sentiment repeatedly and forcefully throughout his career. The theme of a republic of sovereign citizens being replaced by an empire of subjects was central to his worldview.
Here is what can be verified from his actual writings that illustrates the spirit of the quotation:
• The Title as Thesis: The very title of the 1927 essay, “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States,” is Mencken’s declaration of this changed status. He did not see himself as a “citizen” of a voluntary republic but as a “subject” of a consolidated, coercive federal power that he believed was born from the Union’s victory.
• The Calamity of Appomattox (1930): In this essay for The American Mercury, Mencken argues that a Confederate victory would have been a net positive for American civilization. He explicitly states that “the men who fought for self-determination at Gettysburg were not the Federals but the Confederates”. He saw the Confederacy, however idealized, as fighting for the principle of self-government against the “plutocracy” of the North. This essay is perhaps the clearest articulation of his belief that the war’s outcome was a “calamity” for liberty.
• The Sahara of the Bozart (1920): In this earlier essay, Mencken argues that the Civil War destroyed the “old aristocracy” of the South, which he considered “perhaps the best [civilization] that the Western Hemisphere has ever seen,” and led to a cultural wasteland. This establishes his view of the war as a destructive, rather than a unifying, event.
In essence, the quotation you’re seeking is an invention, but a masterful one. It distills the core arguments from essays like “Memoirs of a Subject of the United States” and “The Calamity of Appomattox” into a single, powerful aphorism. It is a testament to the clarity and force of Mencken’s ideas that someone could summarize them so effectively that the summary became more famous than the original text.
Thank you again for your sharp eye and for prompting this important clarification. It is a perfect example of how even the most plausible-sounding information requires careful verification.
Not like everyone didn’t already know, but the culprits are helpfully named in the database acronym:
https://www.unz.com/?s=nibrs&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Jenner+Ickham+Errican&Action=Search
I have often been accused of lacking judgement
Sabrina Carpenter, the product.
I had to look that up, so now: LOL!
There used to be some women here (however feminine or not they may have been.)
This is great! Thank you for finding it and posting it. You’ve done a great service.
I recently saw a production of Twelfth Night with Malvolio as a tranny. I didn’t know going in that this would be their angle. I get the idea: Twelfth Night involves hidden loves, but this? Making Malvolio, one of the smarmiest characters in all of Shakespeare , a tranny completely misses the point of disliking him BECAUSE he is a Puritan AND he’s smarmy. One of Shakespeare’s sharpest barbs was neutered by political correctness. What next, Ophelia as a tranny?
I left in the middle.
Cull the heard of criminals at an early age, before the reproduce, and you will have a safer society in the long run. Penalties of death for even small violations in 17th century Japan likely explain their low crime rates today.
That’s the same way I felt when white-cop Derek Chauvin was fed to the lions and black-trash, convicted-felon, ex-con, deadbeat-dad, drug-addicted George Floyd was turned into America’s first ghetto saint.
Did they play Malvolio literally AS a tranny, or did they cross-cast a trans actor/actress playing the role as a man anyway?
Felonies at common law carried the death penalty in medieval England. Had a similarly eugenic effect until traitorous “leadership” brought in the Third World hordes.
Bully on you for walking out, Curle. Obviously walking out on live theater like that makes more of a statement than walking out from a movie theater. For the latter, I guess the other movie goers – not many anyway these days – will get a message, but the people running the place surely don’t give a damn.
In a series of short plays, once one gay one started up, that is, after I realized it, I walked out with my son. I did this in a fairly nice and quiet manner due to my knowing people involved with the theater. Were that not the case, I may not have been as nice. Well, yeah, and we had free tickets, so….
I’ve got a story about something similar* in an old post “Someone told me it’s all happening at the zoo…. If my wife hadn’t have been there, I’d have had some words…
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* … minus the trannies, unless, well, you can’t tell with seals and sea lions.
It doesn’t seem to have worked as well in the UK even before admitting the usual suspects.
That was really a bridge too far. I don’t like cops — and I particularly don’t like cops like Derek Chauvin.
But for Chrissakes. The guy was doing his job — and doing it as he’d been trained to do it. That was not second degree murder or whatever. We lost all connection with the rule of the law with that verdict.
Did they play Malvolio literally AS a tranny?
He was a man dressed in women’s clothes and acting like a woman.
You’re overlooking the minor detail that Iran doesn’t have a nuclear program. They suspended it back in 2003, and no one has even alleged that they have renewed it.
What they did was continue to enrich uranium — in the hope of getting us to lift our sanctions. And under Obama, their dreams came true. Obama agreed to lift sanctions, and they stopped enriching uranium.
Then Trump — at the behest of the Jews — abrogated that agreement. We’re going to have sanctions after all. So, great — Iran will resume enriching Uranium. Not build a bomb — but no tickee, no washee. And there we were. Nothing in particular was happening. Ho hum — the US and Iran aren’t friends. What else is new?
But then, Netanyahu’s coalition was about to collapse. So he started bombing Iran, so all good Israelis would rush to the ramparts. Which they rather predictably did. It’s worked before, and it worked this time. Netanyahu cling to power!
…except that Iran was able to fire back — rather ineffectually, but while the Jews are hell on dishing it out, they’re not much on taking it. So Netanyahu yowled for help, and Miriam Adelson et al got on the ball…
…and here we are. Nothing to do with Iran’s actual nuclear program, or any ‘risk.’ We do as Israel says.
A point noted indirectly by the reporting British naval officer who made a negative comparison between the English and Japanese.
“You are wrong again Corvy, it is accurate and your post hoc rationalization that the a war fought for an unjust cause”
The war was fought for the righteous causes of preserving the Union and ridding the South of slavery.
Again, you justify the unjustifiable.
“replacing the Union with an Empire”
Which is your opinion.
“can be rationalized by a result that cost one million slaves and six hundred thousand soldiers their lives and resulted in turning those slaves and the population of the South into serfs”
The South did that after Reconstruction by not honoring the Constitution and congressional laws.
“for the better part of one hundred years is morally blinkered.”
So in your world it would have been acceptable to allow the South to continue slavery in perpetuity until the slave owners
It’s reprehensible.
“The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects of the United States and what they thus lost they have never got back.”
That’s one way to look at it. Not THE way, of course.
The “Lost Cause” narrative has romanticized the Confederacy and its ideals, including the concept of states’ rights. It attempts to legitimize the Confederacy’s cause and downplay the significance of the Union victory in establishing a stronger federal government and removing the bitter stench of slavery.
I guess I should have said intermission instead of middle. I wasn’t angry, just lost interest. Malvolio as a woman is a play about a woman being mocked not a play about a Puritan being mocked. I came to see the latter. It’s funnier.
It’s unfortunate when directors get too cavalier with their casting.
Mark G.wrote to OilcanFloyd:
Yep. I’m just a bit older than you or Steve, and I find that I often need a nap nowadays. And I’m starting to worry about what happens if Social Security collapses — I still think the damn SS scam should be abolished, and, if they would stabilize the dollar and stop taxing our retirement earnings, we’d be OK without SS. But still…
My old friend Murray Rothbard used to mention that he could only think of two thinkers who got more radical with age — I think it was Herbert Spencer and Hayek.
Steve’s case is pretty sad. My theory is that Steve is starting to look at his bank account and realizing that ranting about “Invade the world/invite the world” just does not pay very well.
Or maybe he just is tired.
Fortunately, history has not stopped: there is now a huge alternative media, far beyond what existed when Steve was “a voice in the wilderness,” attacking the Deep State, the drive for US hegemony, the Woke mindset, the fiscal and monetary insanity, and all the rest.
We could still use the old Steve, but I fear he is gone. But Judge Napolitano, and the Morrisses on Redacted, and Saagar on Breaking Points, and Robbie on Rising, and Col. Danny Davis on Deep Dive, and, of course, Tucker, along with so many others, have taken up the banner while Steve glides off into irrelevance.
The battle is not lost. It has only begun — alas, without Steve Sailer.
Dave Miller in Sacramento
My old buddy Corvy wrote to Curle:
Well… that is most assuredly not what Lincoln said, and I am pretty sure you know that.
He made emphatically clear, throughout his career — most especially in the First Inaugural and the famous letter to Horace Greeley — that the War was not about eliminating slavery but solely about forcing the South to stay in the Union.
Obviously, the South made a catastrophic miscalculation in seceding, and, yes, one of their major motivations was to preserve slavery, which was morally wrong.
But it is just not true that the cause of the War was to rid the South of slavery.
And you do know that.
Same old Corvy!
Dave Miller in Sacramento
Agree. And speaking of rule of law, the Chauvin case is a good opportunity to mention that the extent of prosecutorial abuse in the US “legal” system is far beyond Stalin or farce. Chauvin was charged with 2 kinds of murder and a manslaughter for one dead body. Which was it? And why did they stop there? Was the prosecution just too lazy to throw in felony disrespecting a black junkie within a thousand miles of a school? I’m sure if they watched the video footage carefully enough, they’d see Chauvin spitting on the sidewalk at some point.
American prosecutors have been amping up this sneaky triple jeopardy crap for years now. It used to be if you killed somebody, they had to decide what the appropriate charge was (based on the degree of mens rea or premeditation they figured they could prove) and then try you for that crime. I want to say that Charles Manson was one of the first guys they went after with Conspiracy (right around the time the RICO laws were coming out – the impending police state was apparently getting a shakedown cruise). Now, conspiracy is automatic for everything, and they basically throw every charge they can think of at you, plus some they made up while sitting on the crapper that morning. Unless you have something important in common with Karmelo Anthony.
“The guy was doing his job — and doing it as he’d been trained to do it. That was not second degree murder or whatever. We lost all connection with the rule of the law with that verdict.”
Not only that, but it was quite clear that the jury was intimidated, which I believe renders the verdict invalid no matter what else might or might not be true. Same with the Arbery case. Maybe a lawyer can correct me. In the Chauvin case, we also had at least one juror who lied to the court about his impartiality — he was an activist of BLM and failed to disclose this.
We now have political show trials, approved verdict by mob diktat (used to be called lynching), and with the J6 people, literal political prisoners. To be fair we have had those things in the past, but they were never this blatant and obvious, they always had to do it in a kind of drag and with kind of a guilty conscience.
Where else have we seen this before? Oh yeah, every time Jews manage to attain full-spectrum dominance and power — Hungary under Bela Kun, and our old pals the blood-soaked Bolsheviks, whose Nazi-trumping crimes are concealed because they were committed by (((the right sort of people))).
This country is toast, but if people were to become serious about talking about secession and partition, and gaming it out in a practical peaceful way, events are moving so fast that maybe in just 10 years or so we could possibly salvage about 1/3 of CONUS (and also parts of Canada), and start over again free of enemy Jews and their colorful shock troops and parasites. Hey, the original US was just 13 coastal republics, and it was a pretty nice place.
Calculating African GDP. LOL.
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1936994817286062133
Same ol’ lying Corvi. He should know that the slaves were sheltered in federal army camps as they withered away and died. Neglected.
Do you get paid by the lie perhaps, Corvi?
Whether played by an actual woman, a trans woman, or a man in drag, Malvolio as a woman simply makes no sense in the overall context. Plus as you say, much less funny, if even funny at all.
Dumb directors love to play around with all the confused sexual appearances in Twelfth Night: Olivia falls in love with a woman thinking she is a man, but then when she meets the woman’s twin brother, she marries the brother on sight, not the woman she fell in love with. And so on. But twins and mistaken identities are just an old comedy trope that goes back to the Romans at least; Shakespeare’s innovation is playing with mistaken identities between fraternal brother-sister twins, instead of identical male ones. It is a formalist variation on an old theme, not a thesis about sexual identity.
One of the true underlying themes of the play, is what Viola/Cesario says to Olivia — I see you what you are: you are too proud.
Twelfth Night is the original Seinfeld-esque “play about nothing”. It has no real plot to speak of. It’s just a bunch of weirdos hanging around in a rich household, playing stupid pranks on each other and making weird mistakes about who’s who. It’s almost proto-Noel Coward. Line for line, I think it might be the funniest thing he ever wrote. (Except for Pyramus and Thisbe.)
[I’m sure very few people knew about it at the time.]
Well, it did prove it true.
However, I am very skeptical about all scholarship on race (or anything else!) written since circa 1970.
Smell the Glove
>So Netanyahu yowled for help, and Miriam Adelson et al got on the ball…
Just in time for Independence Day
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14837761/Annabel-Rook-gas-explosion-murder-investigation-Clifton-George-charged.html
The deceased worked with abused migrant women:
What could have happened?
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1936779398155296816
Corvi is just gonna corvi he/she/it can’t help it
The Iran attack was because of the influence of the Jewish lobby and military-industrial complex lobby but I think there is an additional factor involved. When some policy that has been pushed starts to appear to not have been such a good idea and public support for it declines, the ruling elites like to create some new crisis to start talking about.
The sudden new focus on Iran started right after it became obvious that Trump was not going to end the Russia-Ukraine war, that Russia was gaining territory at an increasing pace, and the American public is not interested in sending additional large sums of money over there to prop up the Zelensky regime. The focus on Ukraine in turn had happened around the time the public turned against lockdowns, mandatory mass vaccinations and other forms of Covid authoritarianism.
Mencken was correct when he said “the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary”.
Agree.
Plus the four cops involved were gratuitously hit with both state and federal charges.
Tao Thao was pressured to plead guilty; held out to the end that pleading guilty would be lying. Got the harshest sentence of the three while being the least culpable.
Sometimes I think Corvi is all a schtick. The made up assertions, the “says, who?” routine even when he’s been given an authoritative source. The pilpul. The pretense that the authority standing behind a claim is determined by the mass appeal of the supposed moral claim it supports or undermines. In the case of the War Between the States the refusal to acknowledge well known phenomena like victor’s history, etc.
To snark on the quoted:
That something comes with baggage doesn’t mean it has zero relevance.
So let’s get on with better research; take account of the other factors; and take account of racial hierarchy-i-za-tion-ism-ing.
Knowledge is good.
What I said here was accurate—The South did that (turning those slaves and its population into serfs) after Reconstruction by not honoring the Constitution and congressional laws.
“He should know that the slaves were sheltered in federal army camps as they withered away and died. Neglected.”
Not entirely true. It is important to remember that these camps, which led to famine and diseases, provided a crucial avenue for enslaved people seeking freedom from bondage. Refugees formed communities, built institutions like schools and churches, and learned about emancipation and equal rights, contributing to the rise of independent black communities. And Christian residents offered aid and other assistance as they learned about these brutal conditions.
Although, maybe there is hope for you. You did AGREE with PhysicistDave that “ Obviously, the South made a catastrophic miscalculation in seceding, and, yes, one of their major motivations was to preserve slavery, which was morally wrong”.
The former United Kingdom’s (lack of) energy policy takes a hit. Probably from a designated oppressed group that’s also remarkably wealthy – and no, not the usual suspects.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jun/23/windfarms-in-england-hit-by-wave-of-copper-cabling-thefts
Copper thieves have been targeting England’s onshore windfarms, and security experts say organised gangs could be behind the crimewave.
Elsewhere
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/23/majority-children-overweight-obese-nine-areas-england-by-2035-study
When I were a lad you might get one porker per 30 or 40 kids.
“That’s the same way I felt when white-cop Derek Chauvin was fed to the lions”
Nope. He got what he deserved due to his own actions—prison. No amount of virtue signaling on your part will change that fact.
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/are-you-monitoring-the-situation
I cling stubbornly to the hope that at least the fences that the copper is sold to are fellow tribe members.
Thanks. I took a closer look at the article.
https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/minority-report-is-coming
Here is how the analysis was done for non/criminals.
From my initial read I though he had detailed non/criminal data. In the article he followed the excerpt above with some criminal/black/male/ages 16-30 thoughts. I had been hoping we could pull out the actual black/criminal data for each case, but looks like we don’t have the data for that.
I am curious how the criminality rates differ between blacks and whites and whether the homicide/criminal relationship is similar for each group.
Much more on Africa and statistics.
https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/africas-poor-numbers
Plus, it’s a twofer – gives ’em a good excuse to come down hard on the stateside opposition. Those aren’t Pali “student rioters” – they’re Iranian sleeper cells!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/iran-threatened-trump-it-would-activate-sleeper-cells/
Welcome back, Dave!
When “baggage” is a synonym for unwanted purveyors of unwanted truths and “problematic” is a synonym for ‘disrupts the status quo’ or ‘steps on the feet of powerful interests’ , that’s a sure sign that it has too much relevance.
He got a jury under pressure from outside parties making threats. Such background circumstances are not supposed to happen. Nice to see you defend stochastic jury tampering.
Yeah, the Chauvin trial was a kangaroo-court, show-trial, farce which was proved beyond all doubt when it wasn’t until AFTER the preordained guilty verdict was read in court that the exonerating police video recordings of the entire George Floyd spectacle were shown to the American public.
Linked below is the first part of the exonerating video Americans weren’t allowed to see of Fuck-up Floyd’s last fuck up. At the 3:13 mark the cop asks Floyd “Are you on somethin’ right now?,” then says, “You got foam around your mouth too,” George replies: “Yes, I was just hoopin’ earlier.” Hoopin,’ as in a basketball hoop, is the term druggies use for the act of shoving drugs up their asshole, like a suppository, to get high.
From the toxicology reports I’ve read, Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system to kill him several times over. George Floyd’s OD and died from “hooping” fentanyl – that’s what killed him – it wasn’t Derek Chauvin’s knee.
But facts didn’t matter, they wanted to frame a white cop for Floyd’s murder, they wanted to turn this 6′-4″ black piece of human shit into a saint and they did:
You do not need an algorithm and an expensive computer to predict who is likely a violent criminal.
1 total overkill
2 make-work for more lawyers
3 help help I am being oppressed
4 the negroes will be much better behaved if you castrate them like the Ottomans did
Also the Palantir pre crime department hosed Iran.
https://ddgeopolitics.substack.com/p/the-ai-that-triggered-a-war-how-palantir
https://www.unz.com/acrooke/the-key-nuclear-allegation-that-started-the-war-was-coaxed-from-a-palantir-counter-intelligence-algorithm/
The opposite is true here. Mr. Sailer does have hot takes, and a position. But as he has said before, he doesn’t like to be wrong in political issues, so he does his best “well, I’m not really sure but why don’t you tell me how you think” impression.
Yes, but maybe not the tribe you have in mind
https://travellerspace-gypsyroads.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-scrap-metal-millionaires.html
JD Vance is the Palantir candidate. Maybe I’ll vote Newsom, the Globalist stooge candidate.
I’m still working the graveyard shift at the Del Taco on Alhambra. I’m the middle-aged guy with the face full of zits at the drive-thru window. If you come by and identify yourself you’ll get a bean burrito and medium drink — gratis. And the same goes to any other old guy who identifies as Dave. Farts are free.
If there wasn’t a Corvi we’d have to invent one. There’s still a 60/40 chance that Steve is Corvi. His Subshack output indicates boredom.
No but the desperation you show is amusing.
Freedom by death. That’s consistent with the caliber of your other claims.
I get the impression you haven’t followed the general trajectory of these communities.
Meh. England also had notoriously punitive sentencing back in the day — but my impression is that it still has a reasonably high crime rate, even among the white population. Actually, if your theory held, Australia should be murderously dangerous. After all, that’s where England starting sending its criminals when it tired of hanging them. They’ve all been breeding quite unculled ever since.
Japan and the Japanese are pretty atypical in a lot of respects. I don’t think you can get Japan-like statistics just by hanging juvenile offenders.
“No but the desperation you show is amusing.”
Once again, every accusation on your part is a confession.
“Freedom by death. That’s consistent with the caliber of your other claims”
LOL. You tout enslavement of people “for their own good”. You are despicable.
The reality is that slavery is evil. And when it ended, several organizations came to the fore, like this one.
—By 1866, American Missionary Association officials realized that normal or grammar schools and colleges to train African American teachers would be the most effective use of their resources, and within three years they had chartered seven institutions for higher learning: Berea College, in Kentucky; Fisk University, in Tennessee; Atlanta University, in Georgia; Hampton Institute, in Virginia; Talladega College, in Alabama; Tougaloo University, in Mississippi; Straight University, now known as Dillard, in Louisiana. The curriculums of these schools were modeled after the better Northern schools of the time, combining academic and industrial courses.
The American Missionary Association also aided in the establishment of Howard University and contributed the entire support for its theological department. Fourteen non-chartered normal and high schools had been opened by 1876. By 1879, 150,000 pupils in the South were being taught by graduates of American Missionary Association normal schools and colleges. And by 1888, the Association’ schools had educated 7,000 teachers. In addition to training teachers, these schools had two other purposes. They were to demonstrate conclusively that African Americans were capable of mastering higher education and they were to provide African American leaders who might assist their people in the struggle for equal rights.—
If you had your way, black slavery would have been entrenched in the South during this time. All to prevent America from being truly free. It’s sickening.
“I get the impression you haven’t followed the general trajectory of these communities.”
That was the direct result of Jim Crow. Thanks for NOTICING.
“There’s still a 60/40 chance that Steve is Corvi. His Subshack output indicates boredom”
Yet here you are still commenting. Life really must be boring for you.
I’d seen a lot of video, including probably yours here, of the things that happened well before Derek Chauvin pinned Saint Floyd to the ground. Most of that was available for a week or so, then one couldn’t find it.
If anyone here has an hour and 42 minutes on his hands, he may want to enjoy (not) The Fall of Minneapolis here. Uhhh, don’t bring a date. She wouldn’t understand, and she wouldn’t care to.
Peak Stupidity has a review too.
Video Link
Copper theft became such a problem around here that scrapyards began being required to report any large quantities of copper attempting to be sold in their yards be reported to the police.
I actually theorized during the height of the covid lunacy that commenter HA was either a neighbor or in law of Sailer’s.
Evidence for this was, despite his/her hostile delivery and shoddy debate skills, out of nowhere he/she received instant moderation privileges and Sailer even defended him/her as one of the better commenters (mostly because HA towed to kovid line lock step with Sailer), which was a hilarious load of bullshit. At the time it seemed to me only someone like this would get that treatment if Sailer knew them personally.
It shore is pitiful, ‘0l Jim Crow still doing its dirty magic so many years on and with a majority Black city council in Memphis.
Here’s what Memphis looks like today.
Here’s their city Council.
“I actually theorized during the height of the covid lunacy”
Mr. Sailer was generally right on this issue. Get over it.
“At the time it seemed to me only someone like this would get that treatment if Sailer knew them personally”
No, my vague impression is that he just thought your posts lacked substance. Nothing more, nothing less.
Richard Cocks, Cape Merchant in the English Factory in Japan 1615-22, in his diary compares the English sailors negatively to the Japanese in terms of obedience and avoiding misbehavior and mentions brutal punishments casually meted out for minor infractions by the Japanese.
https://archive.org/details/diaryrichardcoc00unkngoog
“It shore is pitiful,”
It is when you employ pilpul.
“0l Jim Crow still doing its dirty magic so many years on and with a majority Black city council in Memphis.
All southerners had to do was to follow strictly the Plessy decision. They couldn’t even get that right.
“Here’s what Memphis looks like today.”
You mean here is part of Memphis. Here is another part.
https://memphismagazine.com/business/downtown-is-looking-up/
Will HA and Jack D now be called back to active duty?
IIRC, another measure taken was to mark the cable with distinctive paint/logos so that scrap dealers could recognize its origin if someone came to them with a load of scrap.
Ya figure that #1 crime rate in US statistic is due to all the Whites and Asians, Corvi-boy-o? Whites are only 22% of the population but they can really make that Jim Crow go far, eh?
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/most-dangerous-places
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1936816501899575730
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937239309125358042
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937284610469097704
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1936408810739945489
https://twitter.com/Real_CandRsenal/status/1890513764279112108
Memphis is plenty safe as long as you stick to downtown where the City has lots of cops assigned. The rest of the City? Not so much. But hey, they’re preparing for a renaissance any day now!! You planning a vacation Corvi?
https://thegetaway.com/destinations/staying-safe-when-visiting-memphis/
The exclamation point of the first photo are the billboards advertising an ambulance chasing negro lawyer and a predatory loan advertisement.
I’m sure Corvi’s got an explanation that includes slavery. I can’t imagine what it is . . . but he’s creative that way.
“I’m Considering a Move to Memphis”
It worked for Elvis Presley,
And it just might work for me.
Well at least they have St. Jude’s, that’s good for something….
Thanks. Ok, why am I posting this song?
Thanks.
Take a look at this.
https://twitter.com/Woessmann/status/1937013305878446165
… wait, his name was Dick Cocks?
Yeah, but it’s more like…
SHOT: Whites survey land, level it, pave it, build sturdy orthogonal architectural structure with useful purpose, invent printing and photography and then use these skills to erect billboard;
CHASER: Negroes infest, chase out whites with crime and TNB, and then um, “re-decorate” to suit their own tastes and “purposes”. Note the krown of kangz in the lower right quadrant.
Rinse, repeat in every American city.
Thanks for the link, YAA.
The affirmative action chief of detectives ordered the public to refrain from “speculation” about the case, as if that were her prerogative, and this were a private matter. The pc editor-in-chief of the allegedly conservative daily mail, Ted Verity, shut down all commenting (“Sorry we are not currently accepting comments on this article.”) on the dm “thing.” And the vic’s family, which wants public sympathy, has also demanded that the public respect its “privacy.”
O.k., I can understand the family, but if I were covering this case, I would ignore their demand.
The late Larry Auster wrote a number of essays about black men who had murdered or mutilated White females, whether they were their girlfriends, or drunken girls they’d crossed paths with, late at night. He wrote, “Liberalism is a factory for producing dead women.” I asked him if he hadn’t meant, “Liberalism is a factory for producing dead white women”? He responded in the affirmative, and thereafter gave the complete version.
Like other pc editors, Ted Verity will not permit any discussion of this urgent matter.
“Memphis is plenty safe as long as you stick to downtown”
Here in Indianapolis it’s like that too. Downtown Indianapolis went into a decline starting in the sixties, recovered somewhat starting in the nineties, with the recovery starting to stall over the last decade.
The lower crime rate before the sixties and after the nineties really primarily just came down to putting more criminals in prison. Charles Murray said in an interview in 2014 that if the incarceration rates were the same then as in 1980 a million fewer people would be in prison.
At the time he gave that interview they were already starting to arrest fewer people and send them to prison, culminating in the defund the police movement a few years back and big increases in crime. We pulled back from that recently. We seem now to be entering a period where a new generation of Whites has started to learn the truth about the criminality of Blacks. They are not in prison in large numbers just because racist White cops arrested them and racist White judges sentenced them.
Dept. of Syringes of Peace…
https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2025/06/23/illegal-french-migrants-wind-up-needling-women-the-wrong-way-n3804104
Running around the whole country, stabbing and injecting white women, mostly teenagers, with syringes during what was supposed to be a nation-wide French music festival. In an internet-coordinated mass attack. And then of course the usual normal stabbings and car burnings.
What delightful tricks will those colorful migrants dream up next?
Good thing we all wanted to bring them here! Oh, wait, we don’t…
Well at least, good thing we were asked for our opinion and vote on the matter! Oh wait, that didn’t happen either.
Where you running off to, rabbi? What’s wrong? Why are you hiding behind that dumpster?
And yet here you are still spewing the same old nonsense.
Stay out of Memphis, it’s a black city, whites not welcome. The only safe place is inside the Basspro pyramid, if you can make it from the parking lot.
https://wreg.com/news/local/st-jude-employee-killed-in-front-of-wife-2-year-old-during-robbery-police-report/
Trump has some harsh words for Israel. Maybe he’s tired of being played.
He restrains himself from thinking bad thoughts the white women wouldn’t like. Why are the white women ok with black men beating them and raping them and killing them? The thought would never occur to them so it is pointless to ask this question. It would be like asking which symmetry and string theories are impacted by the new hadron collider experiments scheduled for 2027.
You’re overlooking the minor detail that Iran doesn’t have a nuclear program.
Colin once again deciding that his imagination is a good enough news source.
Iran not only has a nuclear program but the IAEA found them to be in violation for the first time in 20 years.
The UN nuclear watchdog has slammed Iran for failing to comply with its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in two decades.
https://www.dw.com/en/iaea-says-iran-not-complying-with-nuclear-obligations/a-72879814
Memphis is plenty safe as long as you stick to downtown where the City has lots of cops assigned. The rest of the City? Not so much. But hey, they’re preparing for a renaissance any day now!! You planning a vacation Corvi?
American city is safe. A monologue by John Johnson.
It’s fine. Don’t believe all that negative news. Just stick to the downtown. The touristy restaurants and bars. The stadium is safe.
Don’t stick around too late.
I wouldn’t take children down there. No I don’t know of a good place for them. Kind of an adult area.
Oh I see. You wanted to stay near the stadium. Definitely not.
No you don’t want to stay there either. Stay uptown. Yes cancel your hotel.
No you don’t want to ride that light rail/subway/bus. Take an Uber.
You planned on walking there from your hotel? I wouldn’t do that. Sure it is only a few miles but you don’t want to go through there. I think your hotel has a gym.
That area is pretty run down. You don’t want to leave your rental there. You need to use the parking garage over on 5th. The well lit one. Not the other one. Yea the more expensive one. Watch the elevators. Probably don’t use the elevator.
Like I said it is pretty safe….if you know where you are going…..stick to downtown….but not that other part…..the stadium is fine…..make sure to use the parking garage…..no don’t take that light rail…..no we don’t take it……avoid that street…..can’t wait to see you guys this weekend. Let’s go to the mall and eat at Applebee’s which is 15 minutes from the downtown. We rarely go downtown. Last time we went to the tourist bar some guy on the street took out his penis and yelled at us. My friend had her window broken. Yea at that parking garage. The good one. Only happened once. It’s fine though. It is a safe city. Not as bad as Baltimore.
I wonder if people noticed the body of my comment – that it’s amazing how conspicuous Jewish Power is making itself in American life these days, especially now with this Iran war issue that doesn’t seem like it’s going to end soon and is putting Israel more in the spotlight than maybe it ever has been, in a situation where there’s no possible ambiguity – Trump’s literal words – that America is now committed to fighting at least one of Israel’s wars for it, when Israel is uniquely a nation that never stops fighting wars, meaning there’s no reason not to think we’re going to remain sucked in and this could easily go on in ever new permutations over the next few years.
I’m very surprised that Israel and it’s Jewish American supporters don’t care, or have calculated that the goyim are broken and their media control and ownership of politicians makes riding herd on all 330 million non-Jews sustainable in the long term with the Holocaust Jedi mind-trick when traditionally Jews have been careful to be more subtle and in the background.
They’re drawing a hell of a lot of attention to themselves and their unusual position in American society and Israel’s strange connection to American political power. It was not like this in the news 25 years ago, stories about Jewish this, anti-semitism that, Israel this, without end.
All I can say is that I loved that moment, when I watched him and heard those words. He gained a few approval points from me then.
He said, “They don’t know what the fuck they’re doing,” and then he turned away and walked to his helicopter.
Best presidential moment I have observed in a long time. (But that is because I am long past taking anything seriously. The world — God’s world — is not serious. Fuck it.) It wasn’t “presidential,” but when was the last time any of “our” presidents ever did anything truly presidential.
Fuck it.
I suppose Jim Crow explains the same sort of trajectory in Africa?
Closing in on 50 years ago I graduated from my all-white high school in White Bear Lake Minnesota, a town not far from Minneapolis/Saint Paul. A mile or two down the street from my old home in WBL there was a beach I always went to and, until last Mother’s Day, hadn’t seen in over 40 years. I went to the beach with my old WBL buddy (whom I hadn’t seen in over 30 years), we parked ourselves at a picnic table with a good view of the lake/park/people and, while catching up on our lives, slowly shared a six-pack of beer.
The view from our perch was disheartening: Beside one young family of four, my friend and I were the only white people. The rest of the crowd, 50 or 60 people, were non-whites: mostly fat, Spanish-speaking Mexicans, their fat kids, then Asians (Indians I think), groups of East Africans/Somalis (who, though foreign, were at least not lard-ass Latinos or American blacks), then a sprinkling of American blacks.
It was a bummer to see that my once-favorite Minnesota beach from my teen-years in the 70’s, the beach I remembered being full all summer long with pretty white girls, was now full of fat third-worlders, mostly Spanish-speaking foreigners along with others of various shades of brown, and all of whom to some degree, you can be sure, living off of various forms of public welfare: SNAP cards, subsidized housing, “free” healthcare – whatever.
While watching a fat Mexican mother wash her plump baby with sudsy water on a picnic table my friend commented, “People eat on that table.” Yeah, washing a baby on a picnic table isn’t the end of the world but I had never before in my life seen a Mexican, black, or anyone else non-white at this charming, clean, once-all-white beach park. This wasn’t Arizona, Texas, or California, places where I expect to see lots of fat Mexicans, this was in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, a town about as white-bread America as it gets!
Since my last visit to this beach in the early ’80’s, America has taken a nosedive. It was almost unbelievable. Bottomline: Invite the Third World become the Third World.
READ
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https://archive.is/NROfo
Really the moment Toto pulled back the Wizard’s curtain was when they felt that had to assume direct control with a nearly goyimrein cabinet and completely ignore electoral procedure and also the USAID matrix censoring everything and telling people up is down. we came to a point where, at the elite level, nothing worked.
Thanks. What I find striking is how much more it matters between Italian regions compared to US states. Emphasis mine.
From the body. The effect really is something in Italy. Any idea why?
Two thoughts.
– I’m not sure which causal direction is correct. See section 4.4
– How does race affect this?
An interesting thought from their conclusion.
One of my pet hypotheses is that a combination IQ and marshmallow test in childhood would be very predictive of long term outcomes.
Emil Kirkeggard has looked into time preference and finds it less important than national IQ (and also sees a correlation of 0.61 for those). Also note his negative comments about the marshmallow test.
https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2020/12/new-paper-out-national-intelligence-is-more-important-for-explaining-country-well-being-than-time-preference-and-other-measured-non-cognitive-traits/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347563852_National_Intelligence_Is_More_Important_for_Explaining_Country_Well-Being_than_Time_Preference_and_Other_Measured_Non-Cognitive_Traits
See Table 3 for the dramatic differences for his Social Progress Index (SPI) regression coefficients on IQ and time preference in models which contain both. Time preference is only a good predictor if IQ is left out of the model. Also note how the R^2 of 0.532 of the IQ only model 2 compares to the other models.
An earlier look from Emil at time preference and national IQ.
https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2019/10/time-preferences-and-national-iq/
TLDR: Research which evaluates time preference as a predictor without also including IQ is not worth much.
Another Emil post I found interesting.
https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2025/05/american-race-relations-1964-2024/
Mostly about W/B/H/A, but this about Jews caught my eye.
Thank you for your excellent description of what you have seen. It is indeed sad!
This is happening all over America, and all over every other “white” homeland on Earth.
It is an attack, plain and simple.
Just as an aside, one of the guys who worked for me in the Seabees was from WBL, really good guy, hockey player very polite one of the other guys told me the niggers do not mess with him, apparently he was a badass if you crossed him. I used him on bank runs to carry the M16.
What Engels considered disastrously high crime levels might be the record for a couple of hours these days.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime?CMP=ILC-refresh
No. Follow Donald Trump. He has it all under control in the Middle East. MAGAHEADS like yourself ought to be proud that Israel and Iran adhere to his every word.
https://bsky.app/profile/peterbakernyt.bsky.social/post/3lsd6hznbs22k
But as long as he deports illegals, I guess it’s no big deal to you that he is ultimately beholden to Bibi. You might as well put on a yamaka.
Where do we go for future open thread links? I saw Ron tell Steve he would take the Steve byline off of these so they’re not at
https://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/
but I don’t see where they’re being held now
Anyone “of a certain age” will have a similar story.
In the UK until social media, the moors and mountains were still pretty much natives only, despite the despair of political appointees that the countryside was too hideously white.
Now, tick-tock, instagram and “influencers” have brought an influx of New Britons, for some reason particularly Asians – dot not Chinese. Just the other day two Asian students drowned in a pretty series of pools on one of the paths up Snowdon, Wales’ highest mountain. On bank holidays it seems as if every Asian in Manchester is heading to the top.
I don’t mind this tendency too much, except that the wilder bits of the UK have paradoxically been very safe for solo women walkers – several time in youth I’d met some young woman on a path in the middle of nowhere with perhaps no one within miles of us – and we’d say hello, maybe chat about the route, and go our separate ways. Even now I recall the girl on the Isle of Lewis who was planning to dance naked round the Callanish stones at dawn! Maybe she needed a partner…
But it won’t quite be as safe when Dontavious, Rakim and their homies decide a brisk 15 miles over the hills is a good way to work up an appetite for the evening.
Tell me about it.
I’m typing this from Coimbra, Portugal. Just fourteen years ago there was only one black resident, an old drunk guy, in the entire town. Now there are thousands of African and Brazilian blacks. And not only blacks, there are also thousands of Bangladeshi, Pakistani, and other third-world Muslims living in Coimbra, people who were NOT living here just ten short years ago.
These third worlders are also the ones creating the spike in babies along with causing the recent spikes in violent crimes, crimes that were unheard of before: crimes such as gang rapes (the rapists were from Cabo Verde). Most of these new comers will, of course, take far more from the Portuguese people than they’ll ever contribute; they will, in fact, ruin the quality of life of a once-peaceful/wonderful nation.
It is clear to me that the Portuguese government has decided to ruin Portugal at break-neck speed. I had thought – by luck more than anything else, it sure wasn’t planned – that I had “escaped” America’s third-world influx only to see Portuguese Portugal completely change for the worse, demographically, within a decade*. God only knows how much more fucked up Portugal will get in another ten years. Import the third world, become the third world.
* [All that said: So far, I’d still rather live in Portugal than in any major American city.]
They’re most likely the “best” of the Asians. I’ve noticed that long hikes, especially ones that are over ten miles one way, make an excellent filter in separating out the higher-quality people from the lesser-quality people. Thugs, criminals, hoodlums, and your average two-bit asshole tend not to go deep into the woods or far into the mountains.
Mencken framed his argument as an elitist, as a man romanticizing a slave-holding aristocracy, stating a Confederate victory would have greatly benefited America. He employs the emotional language of “subjects,” “lost,” and “never got back” to show his own personal disdain for central authority. I get it—his brethren lost a war, one that was ultimately righteous in its cause. Naturally, he wanted to create his own narrative as pushback.
Yet he even acknowledged “I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave”. So for a man who thought governmental power was a direct threat to individual freedom to think and act without coercion, by his own logic, southern slave laws were an inherent contradiction. Stated plainly, there was a loss of agency for black men and women, which resulted in the negation of the concept of self-government.
In this context, a central authority, through its laws and institutions, protects individual liberties, essential to an “organic life”, and acts as an arbiter of justice that protects individual rights against direct and indirect threats.
Interestingly enough, again from his elitist position, he viewed the post-Civil War South as being “sterile, artistically, intellectually, culturally, as the Sahara Desert” since the region fell under the jurisdiction of “poor whites” easily duped by “demagogic preachers and politicians”. In essence, the white southern aristocracy was superior in nature—“perhaps the best that the Western Hemisphere has ever seen”—compared to the backwoods hicks who lacked grace and sophistication.
So regarding you and I, the “common man”, well, he viewed us in utter contempt. Also, take to heart he was not a fan of “Ku Kluxry, political ecclesiasticism, n—-r-baiting” during Reconstruction, although you would vehemently disagree with him based on your support for slavery and Jim Crow.
This link should work
https://www.unz.com/author/isteve-community/
Mission accomplished, MAGAHEADS!
From DJT himself—Both Israel and Iran wanted to stop the War, equally! It was my great honor to Destroy All Nuclear facilities & capability, and then, STOP THE WAR!
Remember, he never repeatedly and openly lies, right? Right?
As a Jew, you must be beaming with pride knowing that Israel is leading America by its (hook) nose to accomplish the noble goal of destabilizing the Middle East. At least that’s what I’ve been told.
I know JackD is smiling from somewhere.
Portugal was always doomed.
They went through a long dysgenic period and then lost too much of their leadership to South America. Their upper class thought that owning slaves in Brazil was more fun than improving the country.
America has a hook nose? Who knew? Although I’ve observed it often before, it’s still striking to me how inept you are with language. Even expressions that you yourself use regularly, their meaning escapes you. (Though, I suppose, Karl Kraus would not be surprised .)
In essence, the white southern aristocracy was superior in nature—“perhaps the best that the Western Hemisphere has ever seen”—compared to the backwoods hicks who lacked grace and sophistication.
Perhaps in some ways but most the cities they built were rather lousy.
That White upper class also despised regular Whites.
Some of those slave owners preferred to personally breed mulattos than hire Whites.
It’s a shame that Whites lined up on both sides to kill each other for elites that had no intention of fighting.
Yeah, the Chauvin trial was a kangaroo-court, show-trial, farce which was proved beyond all doubt when it wasn’t until AFTER the preordained guilty verdict was read in court that the exonerating police video recordings of the entire George Floyd spectacle were shown to the American public.
Sure but Chauvin was an idiot and part of the problem.
These White TUFF DUDE cops love to work Black areas. A lot of them don’t have families. They just want to chase Blacks all day like a cowboy movie. Chase Blacks and drink whiskey after work like COWBOYZ. So TUFF. There is some Netflix police show where these cops even talk about the “action” of the (Black) city. They don’t even hide it.
You don’t waste your time trying to personally punish someone like George Floyd.
It shows a childish mentality by Chauvin. Cops ‘n robbers.
George Floyds eventually run into other Floyds and shoot each other. Or they OD which could have been the case. No reason to lift a finger.
The Chauvin COWBOYZ get turned out by the system and act surprised. They already know full well that the system will railroad them over a member of the protected class and especially if it makes television. They know the risk and still want to play cops ‘n robbers.
F-ck these cowboy wannabe cops. I DEDICATED MYSELF TO A DEMOCRAT GOVERNMENT AND THEY BETRAYED ME.
Gosh really? Chauvin could have chosen to be a sheriff in a White town and have a family. But he probably thought that would be boring. Writing speeding tickets and raising kids. He wanted to be a coyboy shoot em up PEW PEW.
I don’t agree with the sentence but he rolled the wheel. I don’t pity him.
Both my sons have graduated college and moved away to Kansas City and Rochester, MN. It’s just the wife and I living on 10 acres adjoining 3000 acres of Mark Twain National Forest. Our last family dog, a Labrador cross potlicker that had been dumped on our county road and the wife fed it while I was on the road with work, died three years ago. The wife wanted a puppy, mainly because her boys were gone. I convinced her that we should get a coonhound, so I could get some needed physical activity. I told her puppies are puppies we would both be happy with a coonhound. I had only been coon hunting a few times back in the 80s as a kid, but I enjoyed listening to Jerry Clower and the book Where the Red Fern Grows was a childhood favorite.
So I purchased a B&T coonhound puppy last summer for $500, he is registered and his parents are top winners in UKC competition hunting. I was pleasantly surprised at the price after seeing relatives spend $1000+ for labradoodles and other bs breeds.
Well, coonhound puppies are not “just like other puppies.” We got him at seven weeks old and he is a ball of energy. He has no interest in cuddling on the couch with the wife. At 10 weeks old we had to restrict him to a leash when outside or his nose would take him deep in the woods. I have been walking him down our county road 2 miles a day for a year, with a prong collar, with a normal collar he drags me the entire two miles. He loves people, but is completely hunt/scent driven.
Back in October, at 7 months old, I took him out in the woods at night for the first time and turned him loose for his first hunt, expecting him to tree a coon. He commenced to straight line it across 1000 acres in about 3 minutes, resulting in me hitting him with a shock on his Garmin training collar to prevent him from crossing a major river/railroad tracks. I had to wade for 30 minutes through swamps/beaver dams/thickets to retrieve him. I thought “what have I got myself into.” Well after more training with caged coons and with the tone button on the Garmin, he has settled down and treed his first coon a coupe of weeks ago. It was the happiest day of my life. I was a half mile deep by myself in the middle of the night in a swamp when my dog, who I had been working with for over a year, treed a coon.
So now I’m thinking I should enter him in competition hunts. These hunts consist of four dog casts and the dog that trees, trails the most coons in a hour, wins the hunt. The coon is never shot out of the tree, just treed by the dogs.
So, I show up at a competiton hunt a couple of weeks ago, without my dog, but wanting to see what it’s all about, I don’t know anybody at the the club, just showed up asking questions. Most of the handful of guys at the hunt are my age, middle fifties, with a few young guys mixed in. After a few awkward moments, they start talking to me about coonhounds and competition hunting. They drive older pickups, they have real jobs, but only work to support thier coon hunting. One guy I talked to has a young dog (treeing walker)that is winning on a regular basis. He hunts it 4 nights a week, every week of the year. He has been offered $10,000 for the dog, but wouldn’t sell. He lets the dog hunt freely, never stopping it even if it runs out of the area on a coon. The dog has been bitten by a cottonmouth once this summer, crosses rivers, requiring the owner to drive miles around to pick it up. He offers to let me go on the evening hunt, but I would need hip waders, which i currently do not have.
Despite my wife’s reservations, I plan on hunting my dog in one of these competition hunts this fall. I am going to hunt him at least couple of nights a week this summer (the night woods in the Ozark foothills are scary. Snakes, ticks, misquotes, unbearable humidy, but it beats watching sitcoms on the couch.) I’m watching YouTube videos on coon hunting, reading coon hunting forums and softening my wife up for the additional equipment I need to hunt respectable. My wife says I’m too old to start a new hobby, but I’m hooked.
The nice thing about coonhunting, nobody is whining about diversity. You won’t find a Muslim/hoodrat/tranny/Dei policy at a competition coon hunt, just white boys trying to keep a tradition going.
“America has a hook nose? Who knew?”
We’ve been told time and time again we are controlled by the tribe.
“Although I’ve observed it often before, it’s still striking to me how inept you are with language.”
This is pilpul in action.
Corvi, whatever you think about him he’s not in your league on that front if that’s what you mean.
After not having a dog for a while friends decided I needed a dog so they talked me into getting an Australian shepherd pup (I’d always had Catahoula cowdogs) and yeah he has way too much energy for the old man, 3 miles a day doesn’t even faze him. And I don’t have stock to train him on.
Working dogs are amazing. Loyal, friendly, smart but they need a lot of activity. They are happiest doing what they were bred for. My dog will cover 6 miles, according to the Garmin, in an hour worth of hunting, trailing and looking for a track, going 15-20 mph the entire hunt.
There is some downtime in a hunt i.e. at the tree, moving spots, finding a lost track, but when he is moving, he is at a dead run. Amazing he can trail a 30 minute old scent while running full speed through the woods.
When I was in highschool in the sixties coon hunting was really popular I had an old redbone that was a treeing fool. Some cousins had mules to keep up with the dogs, carry a blanket to put over a barb wire fence, mules would jump over.
https://twitter.com/JohnRLottJr/status/1937627329406116078
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937556394535723365
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937586591200837967
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937631944608509996
Yeah, and hearing this a couple of days after his attack on Iran has me saying “Maybe you don’t know what the fuck YOU’RE doing!”
The President shouldn’t be in the situation of “being played”, and this is the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal. His deals seem to suck a lot.
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But, thanks for the video clip, Sam.
I guess you don’t have time for an hour and 42 minute movie, do you? You’ve probably spent more than that writing wrong things on the internet, so think about it.
BTW, I liked your “safe cities” soliloquy. Nice job on that.
Thanks for this info, Felpudinho. I’m always looking for possible bug-out locales, not so much to bug out to – as, I’m pretty sure we’re stickin’ right here, right now – but to write about them.
We went to Uruguay, somewhere I’d wanted to see, and I haven’t even gotten around to writing about it. Though purportedly 90% White (Spaniards, Italians, etc.), I was NOT impressed with Montevideo. We saw a few other towns, but it sucks when the wife wants to only do tourist things and not really explore, as in, the interior.
I know I’ve written to you about Portugal before. I’ve run into lots of travelers who were going to or had been touring Portugal. I think it’s because it’s (thought to be) one of the few highly Western, WAY western, White European countries. I’d looked up the demographics a couple of years ago when I wrote a review of Night Train to Lisbon. Have you seen that movie?
Anyway, I also learned that the novel writer Lionel Shriver (a woman) and her husband bugged out of England and the US to retire to Portugal. She’d be brave enough to say it’s to escape diversity, but probably not enough to flat-out say “I want to be with the White people”.
Sorry to hear the way it’s been going there (too!) “Where you gonna run to now?” goes a lot of songs.
It was fine ten short years ago. The fall came when the Portuguese politicians (following the cues from Brussels) opened Portugal’s floodgates to the third world around 2015.
Invite the third world, become the third world.
Yeah. Nice monologue.
Around 15 years ago, a chicago paper interviewed a nice White lady from florida who had taken her family to the Windy City. She had gotten mugged, but said that she had known that getting mugged was part of visiting chicago. No big deal.
OK now, on three: 1,2,3 — THANKS, *JEWS*!!
Jews destroyed America. (past tense: it is not a future prediction, it is already done.) Jews murdered America, deliberately, and with malice aforethought. This is not “anti-Semitism” (a ridiculous bogus fake concept). It is analysis, it is sad to say: the plain truth.
Nothing will change or improve until you say it out loud, then consider the next steps soberly.
What part of this rambling mess do you imagine contradicts Menken’s characterization of the war? One way to tell when you know nothing of substance about a subject in question is you go on these aimless and pointless digressions.
I’d like to hear more about this.
“The effect really is something in Italy. Any idea why?”
First time I ever visited Italy a drunken guy from Turin told me quite seriously “the Third World starts at Rome”, and having since been to both North and South you sorta see what he meant. I love the South, but you do have to watch out more for ripoffs. A lot more high-trust in the North but like everywhere there are some dubious minorities – perhaps more in the North for that reason. Venice is full of Africans selling tat.
At the station in Sorrento we bought Transvesuviano rail tickets to Pompeii – about 6 euros each for 4 of us. When we got on the train I discovered he’s taken 24 euros but our tickets were just one-euro tickets for the next stop down the line!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3798202/Italy-investigates-grandson-mafia-don-closes-town-three-hours-wedding-lands-helicopter-main-square.html
America always carried within it the seeds of its own destruction; there has been a tension from the beginning between those Americans who saw the country as an extension of traditional Western civilization and those who saw it as a transcendant New Jerusalem that had somehow figured out how to bring Heaven to Earth after everyone else had failed. The utopian faction, the children of the Enlightenment, crushed the more traditional-minded faction during our Civil War, and we’ve been dealing with that disaster’s results ever since. Lincoln, Thaddeus Stevens, Edwin Stanton–they did more fundamental harm to our country than any Jew, and it was gentiles like Wilson, FDR, and LBJ who continued their destructive legacy. Many Jews have certainly assisted and increased the decline, but we would have self-destructed on our own regardless.
It’s increasingly debased to keep engaged an ever dumber, coarser peasantry.
Taking any of this scripted political theater seriously is as naive as a sportsball talk show breaking down a Harlem Globetrotters game. Until enough of us get up and walk out, the Establishment will do whatever it wants using whoever is on stage at the time.
“those who saw it as a transcendent New Jerusalem that had somehow figured out how to bring heaven to earth”
There was a difference between the British Enlightenment of Locke and the French Enlightenment of Rousseau. The French Enlightenment was the more utopian of the two. Even the more pro-French Americans of that era like Jefferson and Paine eventually turned against the excesses of the Rousseau inspired French Revolution.
All the Founders were more or less children of the Enlightenment. They all rejected the traditional throne and altar conservatism of Europe. They mainly differed on how much power to give to the federal government, though they were all pretty much believers in decentralization. The purpose of the Constitution was to limit the power of the federal government by listing what it could do and saying anything not listed was left to the states.
It worked for a couple hundred years but nothing lasts forever. It is unfortunate the states rights position got tied to a defense of slavery and lost popularity because a weaker central government would be much preferable to the federal leviathan we have today.
**“I suppose Jim Crow explains the same sort of trajectory in Africa?”
I don’t think you are that stubborn, unlike Curle, admitting the fact that Jim Crow had a detrimental impact on blacks when it was the “law of the land”.
And I don’t think you are foolish to believe, unlike Curle, that the life of blacks would have been vastly improved had Jim Crow remained a potent force in southern society,
**Regarding that “trajectory” in Africa, I am curious as what you think have been the causes of the conditions that blacks here experience (as shown in Curle’s photograph).
“What part of this rambling mess do you imagine contradicts Menken’s characterization of the war? One way to tell when you know nothing of substance about a subject in question is you go on these aimless and pointless digressions”.
Leave it to you to mischaracterize my clear and concise response, with specific quotations and references to his own work, rather than specifically address what I said. Or, at the very least, show exactly how and why what I said is “aimless and pointless”, rather than simply say it is without any proof to back up your assertion.
It’s masterful in your part.
Exhibit 1001 in your inept use of language. What on earth does this sentence mean?
Indeed. But the point would be that the horrific punishments meted out to juveniles in the eighteenth century hardly bred criminality out of the British gene pool. As you say, witness today.
Obviously, amping the statistics with alien blacks has hardly improved matters — but today’s Britain wouldn’t be crime-free even if it were all white.
Oh Zargon, not this nonsense again. –Look! Squirrel!
Or rather, Look! 200-year-old squirrel!
“The utopian faction, the children of the Enlightenment, crushed the more traditional-minded faction during our Civil War, and we’ve been dealing with that disaster’s results ever since.”
Who is this “we”, bozo? The types of people you describe barely exist in America any more, and their history is not the present’s history. Why don’t you tell my what the Iroquois Federation thought about all this while you’re at it? You think Zohran Mamdani cares what Thaddeus Stevens thought about anything? Or even knows who he was?
The people you prattle on about are not here, and their history is not here: they have been *replaced* with foreign shitstains. (By who? one asks the deaf audience.) That is what the Great Replacement literally means. *Your* country is dead; it has been successfully invaded and occupied by foreigners who don’t care about your past or your principles or your history, thanks to the midnight-gate-opening antics of the Jews, who have been opening Western gates to foreign armies since Moses was a wee mite of a shaver.
The changes you observe around you did not happen during the Civil War (“what’s that? you mean the one in Lebanon?” says your new brown Juneteenth picnicker who has zero connection to America and its culture, only to America and its goodies. Looters don’t steal history books. Everything you see which has destroyed America has happened and/or accelerated in only the past 40 years. I can still recall a time when Los Angeles had Americans living in it.
If you can’t see who drilled all the holes in the floor of your boat, you don’t deserve to be spoken to. Continue right on with your 200-year-old fairy tales. Give my regards to the auctioneer down at de slabe market, while you’re at it.
Per kaganovitch, try for coherence. And, cute straw man argument even if incoherent.
“ANALYZE ‘BABYLON SISTER, SHAKE IT’”
An AI can’t hear, but will fake it.
It doesn’t have ears, for Christ’s sake! It,
melodic or lyrical,
gets no empirical
data; it thirsts, but can’t slake it.
“Exhibit 1001 in your inept use of language. What on earth does this sentence mean?”
I keep forgetting you’re not the high IQ Jew here. Don’t blame me, blame HbD.
Curle is under the impression that Jim Crow was a good thing for blacks and for the U.S. That those laws benefited their lives. And had it stayed in place, they would better off. No doubt he would support bringing it back to our society now. Do you agree with Curle? Why?
“Per kaganovitch, try for coherence.”
Pilpul much?
“And, cute straw man argument even if incoherent.”
No straw man at all. You believe Jim Crow laws were not detrimental to blacks.
But if you want to set the record straight, go right ahead and clearly admit southern segregation laws had a negative effect.
“Jews destroyed America…This is not “anti-Semitism” (a ridiculous bogus fake concept). It is analysis, it is sad to say: the plain truth.”
Another great story on your part. Keep them coming!
Indeed, as a commenter (perhaps J. Mason?) noted a couple of years back, an astonishing %30 of British males born in 1953 had the equivalent of a felony conviction during their life. See
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c98db40f0b65b3de09ea1/criminal-histories-bulletin.pdf
You and I have never discussed what is or is not detrimental to Blacks. Take your medications Pilpul boy.
See my above reply to your nonsense now coming in floods. Lots of nonsense (by you) is not a correction to previous barrages. (by you). Take your meds!
OK, let’s take a look at what you actually wrote:
“And I don’t think you are foolish to believe, unlike Curle, that the life of blacks would have been vastly improved had Jim Crow remained a potent force in southern society,”
What this sentence (addressed to res) says , is that res (unlike Curle who does not believe this) wisely believes that Blacks would be better off had Jim Crow remained “a potent force in southern society.” Do you begin to see the problem? As ever, it’s difficult to know with you precisely where the stupidity ends and the obfuscation/bad faith begins.
Japanese society is normally very ordered. Although after the 1923 earthquake they started lynching foreigners, mostly Koreans. The tendency of Japanese to go on the rampage in China etc. before and during WW2 is probably the other side of the order at home.
Regeneration through violence. An ancient blood sacrifice encoded in our species by Yakub or whomever. In every human variant except perhaps for the new one that is being rolled out, clandestinely, as we speak. We legacies have had our highs and lows, mostly lows. Hopefully the myths about us will be kind.
..with far too much help from supposed America-loving Christians, whom I hold as being just as responsible as any conniving, self-interested, scheming Jew.
What sort of person sells his own country, his own people, his own grandchildren’s future, downriver to Jews? It’s the same sort of person who deserves to lose his country, the problem is that it was my country too.
The America that I was once willing to fight and die for is now long gone. Now I only fight for myself and for those around me whom I care about; the Nation is on its own.
By the 1950s UK crime was remarkably low, as low as it’s been in recorded history.
Since then there’s been an explosion in bastardy, to the point where “bastard” has pretty much disappeared as an insult. It used to be fighting talk.
It was all documented here, by a left wing sociologist, the late Norman Dennis.
https://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs03.pdf
I’ll make this even more simple for you since you clearly are running interference.
Do you think Jim Crow laws had a detrimental impact on blacks? Yes or no? Why?
Do you think if Jim Crow laws remained in place
in the South, would they have benefited blacks? Yes or no? Why?
“Jews destroyed America with far too much help from supposed America-loving Christians”
Says who? Seems to me you’re trying to find blame for the problems your kind helped to create.
“whom I hold as being just as responsible as any conniving, self-interested, scheming Jew.”
Those behaviors are reflective in all groups, not just one in particular.
“What sort of person sells his own country, his own people, his own grandchildren’s future, downriver to Jews?”
Perhaps you’re being way overdramatic here? Although, if we do take your seriously, then it would be Trump. So why do MAGAHEADS still support him if his own daughter married into the tribe and his top advisor is a Jew?
“The America that I was once willing to fight and die for is now long gone.”
No, it’s still here, hanging on. It’s just that it’s undergone changes, which you personally disagree with. You know, like women being able to vote, minorities finally have their civil rights protected. That stuff wears on you.
Bad (Bibi) with the good (deporting illegal aliens). I would say the Bibi issue is more distressing because illegal criminals of colour is a problem that is easier dealt with. The Zionists are a blood ticks, an invasive species. But that’s life, Steve. A cavalcade of annoyances.
Southern segregation laws had a positive effect on the bleqs kept the niggras in line and out of our hair. I love me some Jim Crow laws. You ever live in the deep south corvi?
“See my above reply to your nonsense now coming in floods. Lots of nonsense (by you) is not a correction to previous barrages. (by you). Take your meds!”
Once again, every accusation on your part is a confession.
I’ll also make this simple for you. Straight forward questions. No need to stall or obfuscate on your part.
Do you think Jim Crow laws had a detrimental impact on blacks? Yes or no? Why?
Do you think if Jim Crow laws remained in place
in the South, would they have benefited blacks? Yes or no? Why?
Wasn’t there some suspicion at some point that you were Jewish?
How do you feel about ‘From the River to the Sea’? Progressive Except for Palestine? Are you now or have you ever been?
Take your Meds!
Really Corvi, take your Meds. Debating yourself is not a good sign.
“Bad (Bibi) with the good (deporting illegal aliens).”
But I’ve been told that Jews are the absolute worst. Far more dangerous than immigrants. Why aren’t you protecting your own kind? Aren’t you in mortal danger?
“I would say the Bibi issue is more distressing because illegal criminals of colour is a problem that is easier dealt with.”
How so?
“The Zionists are a blood ticks, an invasive species.”
So apparently you’re OK with them sucking the life blood out of whites for the past several decades. Great to know you care about the situation, but not enough to do something substantial about it.
“Regeneration through violence”
Tuff talk on your part. But we get it. You don’t have the guile and stones to lead the charge yourself. You hope someone else will do the dirty work, and then you can lionize them.
“Southern segregation laws had a positive effect on the bleqs kept the niggras in line and out of our hair. I love me some Jim Crow laws. You ever live in the deep south corvi?”
At least you’re honest to openly admit it, unlike Curle. So thank you.
Of course you’re dead wrong in your historical assessment of Jim Crow, but I don’t expect you to change your mind. You’ve been propagandized since you were a toddler.
Agreed. Steve is one of the cool kids now, bully for him, but that doesn’t mean we have to be complicit in his pretense that he never existed on Ron’s website.
There’s no pretense that Steve never existed on Ron’s website. The archive of Steve’s writings on Ron’s website is still available:
https://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/
It’s perfectly reasonable that Steve doesn’t want Ron’s introductions to these new iSteve Open Threads credited to Steve’s old byline (after all, Steve didn’t write them), hence the new byline and archive for the iSteve Community:
https://www.unz.com/author/isteve-community/
Translation: Corvi’s hearing voices in his head that he thinks is me debating him on a matter of no significance to understanding the War of 1861-65.
Corvi strikes me as a midwit. Liberal who thinks he’s elite, yet he’s not a veteran, has never worked in law enforcement, has never lived or worked in the south, only blacks he’s been around are “tame niggers”, has never been a supervisor and has no work experience in anything but white collar arm chair jobs. He’s great at regurgitating whatever he got from google search but has never done actual research. I seriously doubt he has any actual useful skills, probably can’t even change a flat. Notice he never actually answers the question just throws a lot of squid ink.
I asked him in a different thread if he was a joo and all in on the slaughter of the Palestinians boy that got his/her/it’s panties in a twist he got really ugly in his reply but didn’t answer the question. This of course will encourage him to cast aspersions on me but we’re all just people on the Internet so he can exhaust his bile on me all he wants 😋
Thanks.
I think Corvinus attacked you because you helped me, and he doesn’t like that I wrote a couple comments on this thread marveling at how conspicuous and omnipresent Israel/Jewish concerns have become in American life and regretting that, since the US is now officially and directly fighting one of Israel’s wars for it, and since Israel is a nation that permanently is at war against a rotating cast of its neighbors, and since its diaspora here have a unique ability to bend US power to their will, the likelihood is great that this is only the beginning of a new era of out-in-the-open American subservience to the Israeli state where get sucked further in to ever-new permutations of “danger to holy Israel” situations demanding that America swing in to action and save the day militarily – again, and again, and again, since our moral duty to “bless” and serve the biggest victims in the whole history of the world, the most powerless, most perfect, most amazing, most noble people ever, plus the biggest lovers of peace and freedom and our bestest friends on earth – and the least genocidal and murderous and hateful and deceitful people ever, people who don’t know what the words special pleading and organized blackmail and betrayal and false flags even mean – is eternal. All of which means we who follow politics and the news apparently are going to be punished for the rest of our lives by having to hear every day without end about Jews and Israel, and Israel and Jews, and anti-Semitism and Jews, and Israel and Israel, with a side of lies and hysteria about “grave concerns about mounting anti-Semitism in America”.
Oh well.
We have been debating. Denying it only makes you look desperate and foolish.
“Wasn’t there some suspicion at some point that you were Jewish?”
Everyone in your world is suspected as being a Jew whom you personally disagree with. It’s one of your best worst qualities as a commenter here on this fine opinion webzine.
As yet, the only hope, for normies, lies in the ex- Communist Europe (sans psychotic Russian imperialism).
Rich Europe is suicidal and confusing; Americans have become used to black savagery & cannot ditch their ideas of democracy (and they still have, short-term, enough space for whitopias).
But- in my opinion- time is running out, fast. If whites are to survive in the next 15-40 years and not become slaves or exterminated in their own countries, I see only 2-3 options:
1. ditching democracy & introduction of some kind of racial-laws, Hitler-style. Not that rigorous or perverse, but something that would result in mass deportation of virtually all coloreds back to the global south
2. short of that, in the next 30-40 years, formerly white countries become hellholes; eastern Europe will probably remain white, but with growing poverty and insecurities. It will depend on the showdown between degenerate- but powerful- Germany and Poland plus other eastern countries. Polish PM Tusk has shown inclination to let blacks and browns inundate Poland- we’ll see how it unfolds. Other countries are a mixture of everything- on one hand, they have been exposed to the threat of suicidal Russian expansionism; on the other, affluent Western nigga- and Islamomania, with US; UK, Germany…trying to transfer various colored masses to the east.
Also, there is something of a failure of nerve among the affluent European race (it has nothing to do with Jews & Israel). And even among poorer whites in the east. As if they lost the will to procreate and build a flourishing future. Lack of invention, hope, a sense of expanding future ….
3. clashes in Ireland, Britain, … may result in a mixture of a chaotic, anarchic revolution against ruling elites (Starmer type), pogroms of coloreds, military coups removing plutocratic elites…
I don’t know, but as yet I don’t see how the white world will retain its identity without becoming autocratic and, one way or another, introducing racial laws.
The last resort would be genocide with bioweapons, eradicating most of the global south.
If not- white world will be obliterated due to many factors; coloreds (blacks, Muslims, Hindus,..) will swamp it & white race will vanish from history.
And Chinamen & the rest of east Asia will remain the only civilization. They will annihilate coloreds of the global south and begin a new cycle of homo sapiens.
I understand that Americans are annoyed by AIPAC, Israel’s wars…. but these are marginal issues.
Real issues are demographic explosion of blacks everywhere, then Islamic world & then India. China is powrful, Russia also (militarily)- but they are not a demographic threat to identity. Latin America can be contained without too much violence.
Two big populations- blacks and Muslims- would better be somehow wiped out or at least isolated.
But first- eliminate ruling traitors from within:
“I think Corvinus attacked you because you helped me”
No, I questioned him. Now, you do realize he is a Jew, right? I thought we can’t trust ANY of them, or so I’ve been informed.
“I wrote a couple comments on this thread marveling at how conspicuous and omnipresent Israel/Jewish concerns have become in American life”
These concerns have been around for decades. Nothing new here. I think you are overestimating how many white Americans have despise Jews.
“and regretting that, since the US is now officially and directly fighting one of Israel’s wars for it”
To the contrary, I’m opposed to American aggression on behalf of Israel. But understand that Trump voters should have realized he was going to side with Jews. Remember, everything he does is transactional. He is seeking to make money at some point in time. And then he has Stephen Miller, who is the brainchild of those pro-Israel policies. But that’s OK, at least Trump is deporting illegals.
“beginning of a new era of out-in-the-open American subservience to the Israeli state”
No new era, just the continuation of it by a different President. Or something.
“the least genocidal and murderous and hateful and deceitful people ever”
Whites?
“people who don’t know what the words special pleading and organized blackmail and betrayal and false flags even mean – is eternal.”
So Americans are generally ignorant of such matters, but you know differently? Who knew?
“grave concerns about mounting anti-Semitism in America”.
That’s a false flag right there.
Whatever Corvi is or isn’t, his chief skill is being a bore.
Take your Meds Corvi. I’m not interested in your fantasy life.
And yet again he didn’t refute anything I said just did an LoL. He’s a boring troll but fun to needle because he gets so pissy.
? I don’t think you’re Jewish. I certainly don’t think Carolyn Yeager is Jewish.
Your remark doesn’t seem to bear any relationship to reality at all.
I am sorry to hear these things about Portugal- but, to blame Jews for our problems is irrational & not rooted in reality.
There is something wrong in southern Europe:
https://qr.ae/pKwG0J
https://qr.ae/p2yAgE
Here in Croatia the situation is not bad, but we have too many colored workers- mostly Nepal, India and Bangladesh… and they don’t make any noise- as yet.
The problem with our people is greed, some kind of stupidity and passivity & servant mentality of our “elites” (to call them that). Also, people don’t possess racial consciousness-much.
But we also don’t have leftist indoctrination in masses & no immigrant communities.
We’ll see in the next 2-5 years. Many emigrants are coming back from Ireland and Germany because of safety.
Personally, I’d rather chance the incoming in exchange for the opportunity to deck those in the snout who really, really deserve it.
It’s irritating to see people exploit the personal immunity that the internet affords. You really should have to think twice before you insult somebody.
But of course, the question remains. Is ‘John Johnson’ Jewish? He fits in a number of ways — but it’s not proven. I still want to hear him call for a ‘Palestine, free from the River to the Sea’ — without equivocation. After all, one would think that as an obvious Leftoid he would — unless, of course, he was Jewish.
Thanks. I meant to write yet again about this too, MEH, in response.
I’m pretty sure all Mr. Sailer wants is for Mr. Unz’s and others’ articles to not be confused with his own stuff. Mr. Unz fixed this up partially by putting his own name by the articles he’s advertising* at the top. (He fixed up 1, 2, 6, and 7 (this one) this way, but not 3-5.)
Still, that “my” is confusing, if one just came to one of these threads for the first time. How about: “From Ron Unz:” right before “Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you.”, etc. Just clear this thing up, and everybody will be happy.
No, I don’t think Mr. Sailer wants to be much associated with TUR at this point, but I would assume he’d still be grateful for the exposure over 1 decade, along with the great conversation. I have not seem him refer to archives here in his stevesailer-dot-net substack posts.
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* It’s his own site here, so fair enough. He may get more reads of, and comments on, his own articles this way.
I’m not a trained psychiatrist, but I’ve played one on TV. Therefore, I would normally confidently conclude that the “gentleman” you refer to is on The Spectrum.


However, last I read of him, he came off sounding so juvenile, that I think he is on The Flintstones.
I’ll link to some posts with pictures once this constant barrage of stupidity lets up long enough for me to write ’em.
Just to sum up, though, the place had a lot of bad areas, enough to where we weren’t sure when we were in a good one. Places in Buenos Aires across the Rio del Plato were much nicer. (I know it has its really bad sections, as I’d been there years ago on a 20 mile walk – got caught behind a big freight yard, and I don’t like reversing course.)
There was lots of graffiti, more than I’d have expected even in the ghetto, and people plain didn’t look and act White enough in general. Prices weren’t a low as I’d expected either. Montevideo looked like standard Latin America, but I’d been expecting better.
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1937879026254675986
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1938039571683434670
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937979152696512729
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937903684613988705
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1937873490394190263
This doesn’t actually address the claim I was disputing: that criminal proclivities could be bred out of a population by executing juvenile offenders.
Obviously, if the British had succeeded in doing that, bastardy would do nothing to reverse the change.
Evidently, they did not succeed in doing that. Yet in the late Eighteenth Century, they infamously resorted to executing offenders as young as six. Ergo, the evidence does not support the thesis that killing off juvenile criminals will reduce the crime rate.
I hold that the Japanese don’t commit much crime because they’re Japanese — not because someone eradicated all the crime-committing genes back in the Sixteenth Century by beheading children.
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/why-are-dog-attack-deaths-soaring
I was just looking at an old American Conservative magazine 2008 symposium on the presidential election of that year. Steve Sailer’s contribution was that Republicans needed to drop what Daniel Larison called the policy of “imperialism, immigration and insolvency” or what Steve himself called “invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world”.
Under Bush, the Republicans had supported invading and occupying Iraq, something Steve opposed. They had supported the Karl Rove strategy of appealing to Hispanics by being soft on immigration. Steve had also opposed this with his Sailer Strategy of Republicans trying to win more of the White vote by opposing immigration. The Republicans had also supported low interest house loans for Hispanics and Blacks to win their support which led to the 2008 crisis and running up the debt to bail out the banks who made the loans. Steve opposed that too.
The old Steve was pretty good but he got away somewhat from that in recent years. The Republicans have moved away from supporting high immigration but are still wobbling on imperialism and have made no attempts to prevent insolvency by continuing to support high government spending and big yearly deficits. There is still no party that opposes “imperialism, immigration and insolvency”.
Time for a time-out from all this noxia, and a bit of a soul-cleansing moment.
I said in an earlier comment that people’s tastes are democratic and equal, viz everyone has a right to their own taste; but critical judgement is more of an SPQR thing: it is not democratic, some are senators and others are not.
Here are, as a matter of health and well-being, a few of the more cleansing and nourishing performances of late:
Think of it as a little sauna-steambath for the soul.
Things went almost surprisingly, weirdly well at the comedy club the other night. I did an unusual set, in the sense that the premise and the story were essentially funny, but it was not loaded with jokes and hard laugh-lines. Instead it just started with an unexpected intro: “I became dissociated with reality at an early age. What I mean is, I began leading a double life at age 8. Can you imagine? I had a secret life when I was 8. I don’t mean an imaginary, secret-garden imaginary friend life, I mean I had an actual secret, double life…”
The whole time I was talking, you could hear a pin drop. Mammoth applause after.
Anyway enjoy La President, and Shelby the Silver Surfer.
Earlier this month:
https://www.stevesailer.net/p/is-the-sailer-strategy-out-of-date
Steve links to this April 2025 TAC article that references Steve and the Sailer Strategy:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-delayed-democratic-majority/
https://archive.is/Lak2r
Steve lost a lot of his audience because he started supporting a fourth “In”: In hiding from the World.
His tacit endorsement of the COVID hysteria made a lot of people begin to wonder if he had lost his ability at “noticing”.
They very much are not “marginal issues”. The so-called “War on Terror” was not a “marginal issue”. And make no mistake, that war was waged for Israel and for no other reason. Our foreign and military policy is largely in hock to another country.
When you write things like you wrote above it’s hard to conclude you are anything but a fool or a liar.
And the one thing has to do with the other. AIPAC is a foreign lobby, and it and allied groups wield power in Washington far beyond that of most other lobbies. My Congressman’s second largest contributor is AIPAC. I bet you’d find a lot of Congressman’s second largest contributor is AIPAC.
With one single titanic performance, Taylor Swift achieves Artistic Grownup status. Maybe not quite on the Billie plane, but then again what mortal can handle that? This is good enough….
To be honest, she already got the keys to the private members-only Girl’s Artist Lounge along with Patti, Chrissie, Fiona, Billie and Shelby, when she cut “Down Bad” and “Fresh Out the Slammer”. This is just icing on the cake. We’ll see if she can keep going, down the Narrow Road to the Deep North.
I mean, can she stand up to *this*…?”
With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound,
He rips those screaming high-tension wires down.
Helpless people on subway trains
Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them.
He picks up a bus and then throws it back down,
As he wades through the buildings to the center of town.
I’m sensing a pattern in your musical preferences, can’t put my finger on it but . . . no males? I thought for sure you’d have something to say about former Memphian Alex Chilton and Big Star given that Big Star’s wistfulness isn’t totally alien from Billie Eilish’s music much less her prototype Billie Holiday. Chilton’s not precisely a contemporary of Patti Smith, but he’s close.
“Corvi strikes me as a midwit. Liberal who thinks he’s elite, yet he’s not a veteran…”
I think it falls under the general category of “Guys who can’t be trusted, because they never got punched in the face hard enough back when they were lads.” Which means they never talked back sharp enough to get (almost-safely) punched during Lad School, which would have been the time to do it. Per the old Irish proverb. But now as an adult, from a practical view, a good sharp punch in the face costs too much. An internet reply costs nothing.
A while ago I pointed out the old saw “Chicks dig scars” which is true. But it’s not like they really dig skin deformities: what chicks really dig is the record of a man’s experience, usually got through some flavor or other of grief, which is why psychological scars give them just as much to lick and attend to and fuss over: something females naturally like to do for their men.
A male without marks of experience does not show up on a woman’s radar as a man: it would be an embarrassment to her, and an insult to her womanhood, to have to tend to a baby-face dude who really needs no tending.
Plug Corvi into these equations, and see what Mr. Computer pops out in reply.
AIPAC is basically a foreign lobby, but disastrous American wars in the middle east were not primarily motivated by Israel’s designs. Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. were not some Israel’s puppets- it is simply that Israel’s interests coincided with that of various oil & MIC interests.
Even taking it into ccount- it is a regional problem. Israel’s lobby has nothing to do with the demographic explosion of Africa, Islamic world, India…and subsequent inundation of the decadent West, whether in Europe or in North America.
Multitudes from Africa, Haiti, Somalia, Ethiopia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt…swarming UK, US, France, Italy…have nothing to do with Israel.
It is the weakness & rottenness of the Western civilization.
In the US, you better cease obsessing about AIPAC and start isolating blacks, Muslims…change your political system to a white authoritarian and stop fawning over idiotic blacks dominated sports & retarded popular culture.
“can’t put my finger on it but . . . no males?”
Well I reckon it’s a good question. Two simplistic answers: 1) girls are just easier to post on the internet than guys, and 2) from a songwriting perspective, given the directional flow of human experience, girls are going to tend to have more to say about guys than vice versa. Men just do more stuff, so there’s more for girls to comment on. A song like Tori’s “Don’t Make Me Come to Vegas” sounds profound and threatening coming out of a girl’s mouth; if a guy sang it, it might just seem petty.
Also, there’s more of a divide between vocal and instrumental performances: nobody listens to Television because of Tom’s reedy vocals, but because of his crazy metaphysical guitar. One of the great wonders of the world is Tom’s psycho background guitar on Patti Smith’s “Horses,” but c’mon Patti is the star.
As for Alex Chilton and Billie Holiday, it’s a matter of taste, but… I much prefer what people had to say about them, than listening to them up close. (Paul Westerberg’s “Alex Chilton” is to my mind better than any Alex Chilton, and what Frank O’Hara says about Billie is more moving than Billie herself.)
Rolling round the house,
Mickey Mouse and tarot cards.
And if he was from Venus,
Could he meet us on the moon?
And if he died in Memphis,
Wouldn’t that be cool.
Would children by the millions
Wait for Alex Chilton
To come around…
They’d say,
I’m in love.
What’s that song?
Y’know, I’m in love
With that song.
Did Michael Byrd get what he deserved?
Corvina’s idea of justice: Restrain an over-dosing criminal junkie = 40 years in prison.
Execute a trespasser without warning = Congressional commendation medal.
(Now comes Corvina’s stock reply: “If the races were reversed you would be celebrating “
Prior to the existence of the welfare state – basically post-WW2 – the good news was that even without execution, criminals found breeding quite hard. Because what woman would marry a jailbird, and what woman would be impregnated by one? Only (barring rape) “the lowest of the low”.
Then came the welfare state, where the lowest of the low got a council house and benefits for as long as she could churn out kids and longer.
The benefits system brought us this guy. He may have killed six of his kids, but he has another 12!
“Chicks dig jerks”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott
And the Williams sisters – no, not those two. Must be something in the water in Derby:
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/schoolgirl-sisters-are-mums-1576775
Now, the average number of children is higher among UK male prisoners than UK male non-prisoners.
In hindsight, I’d say it was even before that with his reaction to Trump. Steve should have been taking a victory lap on all of the “In”s, as Trump was addressing all of them. Instead, he was revulsed by his lack of HighBrowishness. It was like Steve was getting a movie made about himself, but they chose an actor he couldn’t stand, and it broke him.
Corvina’s credo: bad faith in everything.
Are you talking Trump-45 or Trump-47? In ’17 we were ALL disappointed by the difference between Candidate Trump and President Trump, with not much good to say after a while.
This time has been different. Steve Sailer has written a few good words about Trump in his substack posts, but generally I agree with you that he doesn’t like him because “low brow”.
You might find this amusing….
At one point back in the late 80s, when I was dead broke and driving myself to the brink of craziness, a friend called me up and said, Dude I have tickets for the Replacements tonight at the Beacon, and one of my buddies had to cancel — wanna come? So I said sure.
I rushed out the door without changing; I was reading Dostoievski’s “The Idiot” at the time, and had it crammed into my back pocket. The concert was a blast: they were having one of their “good” nights, and did a blistering cover of “Gimme Shelter” and so forth. People were jumping around like morons, and so was I, and I realized later that The Idiot had fallen out of my pocket.
Just on a hunch, I was in the neighborhood the next day so I went by the Beacon and checked with the Lost and Found department. I asked the guy, Hey I was at the show last night and I lost a copy of “The Idiot” by Dostoievski. Did anybody find it?
The guy came back a minute later and said, “Which one?” There were like 15 copies, just of that book.
Bet you don’t see that any more.
I had a gator mouth pit when I lived in South Georgia used for hunting wild hogs he was good with my girlfriend and her son, but scary as hell and didn’t like blacks. I gave him to a widow woman because he fought with my cow dogs, who were a lot more useful.
This is laughable gas-lighting. Cheney and Rumsfeld were frontmen. Who is to say that they were creators of policy, rather than merely executors of it. Sure the Forever War was beloved by the MIC, but oil had nothing to do with anything. America didn’t get any oil out of our Iraq venture (however Israel did – at one point, nearly 3/4 of its oil was supplied from Iraqi Kurdistan.
Cheney brought in a group of zionist plotters (Feith, Wurmser, Perle) who authored the “Clean Break” plan for Netanhayu and ensconced them in the Pentagon to plan the “seven countries in five years” plan that Wesley Clark revealed. The PNAC crowd supported them both in and out of government. That plan of regime-change operations, though delayed, has largely been executed. Only Iran remains, and I doubt that Israel is done with that country.
The “War on Terror” was entirely conducted in the interests of Israel, despite your ethnically self-interested protestations.
It is an American problem as long as AIPAC and others attempt to make it an American problem.
Jewish groups are prominent among those NGOs seeking to funnel third-worlders into Europe and North America. You can pretend they aren’t, but you’re fooling nobody.
Really? And how would one change the political system in America to “white authoritarian”. What do you think the ADL and the SPLC would say about that? What would Benjamin Netanyahu say about that? When Trump, in his first term, attempted a very modest measure – cutting off immigration to America from certain muslim countries, Netanyahu criticized Trump for it (as if it were any of his business). Indeed, what would AIPAC say about it?
Did Pfizer and Moderna have payola programs?
You, sir, are incorrigible.
I hate the pompous cliche about “those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it”, but it applies here. People like you have this ridiculous idea that simply by rooting out the evil Jews, we can have the “best” of both worlds–a country where individualism and hedonism are the norm, but which simultaneously enjoys the social trust and cultural stability of a traditional Western Christian society. That won’t fly; Utopianism, Progressivism, and the Enlightenment worship of the individual destabilize societies and make them easy pickings for predatory invaders; the Jews, the future Mayor of New York, and others of their ilk are a sympton, not a cause. The world which allows you to write endless pleonastic tributes to decadent female pop stars and brag ad nauseum about your sexual exploits is part and parcel of that world of Third World invasion and global capitalism that you so deplore. Your mindset really isn’t that different from the Boomer normie-cons who think they can cure race relations by invoking MLK or who complain about rap music while deifying earlier musical degeneracy like rock and roll. They are liberals, and so are you; you and they just prefer an earlier brand of liberalism. To the normie-cons, it’s the “Socialists” that have corrupted the “good” liberalism, and to you, it’s “the Jews” that prevent you from enjoying the fruits of “good” American liberalism. In reality, it’s liberalism itself that destroys liberalism; classical liberals complaining about the consequences of their own ideology are like Trotskyists complaining about how Comrade Stalin has corrupted true Communism.
“Steve Sailer has written a few good words about Trump in his substack posts”
Key word here is “few”.
“but generally I agree with you that he doesn’t like him because “low brow”.”
Which is a great thing. There is a standard there, one that you do not consistently demonstrate as well. It is other than surprising that you and others were kept in check via moderation.
But now he is off to greener pastures.
I don’t blame all Jews. I don’t blame Larry David-like Howard, the Jew who lives up the street from my mom’s place in Arizona, for the West’s woes. What I do blame is the influence of Jewish Power (Jewish media, Jewish billionaires, Jewish-captured Institutions) which is hellbent on weakening the white, Christian, West.
Why? Are they scared shitless of other Hitler coming along? Is it out of pure Jewish contempt for all non Jews? Is it because they want to take over the entire world. Who knows, but it is happening.
Massive third-world/Muslim immigration and endless war for Israel, pushed night and day by The Jews, has been a rip-roaring success in destroying the far better America I grew up in.
The fingerprints of JP are all over all the policies that have brought ruin to the West: ubiquitous abortion, endless wars, mass third-world immigration, family-ruining feminism, industrial offshoring, 50 years of stagnate working-class wages, the destruction of the Middle Class, anti-Christianity, etc., the Jewish Influence that rammed all this down our Western throats is undeniable.
Of course The Jews couldn’t have taken a wreaking ball to the West without all those Gentiles who, usually for money and/or power, helped them; I hold these “helpers” who sold-out their own people in even greater contempt than I hold The Jews.
Like who? The welfare-dependent, criminally violent, quality-of-life-destroying Roma gypsies in Northern Ireland? Good F-ing riddance!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/roma-families-determined-to-leave-northern-ireland-1.789109
The only problem is: That for every single third-world immigrant who leaves Ireland or Germany there are ten new third-worlders who come in to take their place.
“Did Michael Byrd get what he deserved?”
He saved the lives of people.
“Corvina’s idea of justice: Restrain an over-dosing criminal junkie = 40 years in prison.”
Corrected for accuracy— Use-of-force trainers testified the neck restraint Chauvin used on Floyd was not taught by the Minneapolis Police Department. Officers are trained to use their knee on the back or shoulder, being mindful of the neck area.
Execute a trespasser without warning = Congressional commendation medal.
Corrected for accuracy—Despite multiple warnings not to proceed, Babbitt attempted to climb through a shattered window beside a barricaded door into the Speaker’s Lobby and was thwarted when she was shot in the shoulder.
“(Now comes Corvina’s stock reply: “If the races were reversed you would be celebrating “”
Which is true, and you have no counter for it.
That’s the huge part of what makes him so much fun to read.
You don’t need me telling you this TGToD: Don’t ever change!
“The fingerprints of JP are all over all the policies that have brought ruin to the West”
What you listed (feminism, industrial offshoring, 50 years of stagnate working-class wages) aren’t Jewish policies. This is the type of low-brow “intellectualism” that drove Mr. Sailer crazy. No wonder why he wants nothing to do with this fine opinion webzine anymore.
Interesting. I was born into a younger age cohort.
There was an undertow of violence in British life, especially in the early 1970s. Kubrick’s Clockwork Orange was part of the Zeitgeist, appearing in 1971, even if the novel was a 1960s product. The report says reduced crime later in part reflects changes in recording practices, like more cautions being issued. Which seems to me as meaning that some felonies were being reclassified as misdemeanours.
The stats aren’t the same, but perhaps this site provides a clue.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php
Lots about pit bulls there.
It is interesting how much Covid is still breaking their statistics. Some tidbits from this link.
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2025/06/2023-macro-level-forces-report-covid-impacts-dog-bite-fatality-capture-rate.html
Looks like part of the issue is rescue dogs and in particular rehoming biting dogs. What was that saying about good intentions?
The Austin and San Antonio data is suggestive regarding the role of pitbulls in the increase.
They actually give an explanation for the Covid effect on data. Interesting. Not a good trend.
I was wondering if more pit bulls was the problem, but it is hard to find data. The best I see is this which looks at 1900-50, 1970s, 1980s, and yearly from 2010 to 2024. The data after 2019 is variable enough for pitbulls that I don’t really trust it.
https://www.animals24-7.org/wp-content/uploads/Most-popular-U.S.-breeds-2024.pdf
P.S. Apparently CDC data does not include dog breed, ownership, or other attack information.
“and brag ad nauseum”
It’s ad nauseam. The ‘Nauseum’ is an Old Sailors’ retirement home up in Nova Scotia. A little Latin might have cleared your head better, in an early-intervention-for-retards sort of way. There’s a symptom right there for ye: you want to eat at the grown-ups table but you don’t have a grasp on even the basics.
“this ridiculous idea that simply by rooting out the evil Jews,”
Hello, I don’t believe we’ve met. I’m not going to root out the evil anybody, I am old and irrelevant and powerless. What I believe is important is, describing reality clearly, so that you can get an accurate diagnosis about what ails ye. If your diagnosis is that this is all Lincoln’s fault, then you are a witch doctor, period. And by the way, enough already with the hyperbole misdirection. People who consistently and unrepentantly do evil, are legitimately described as being evil. We’re not dealing in science fiction here.
Imagine a medical world in which for some bizarre reason, the anatomical charts did not list kidneys, and for strange religious reasons it was forbidden to mention kidneys, or to admit that they exist. Alternate byzantine Ptolemaic explanations for basic body processes were used instead, getting weirder and weirder, in order to treat diseases which were clearly caused by kidney malfunction, except you could never, ever, EVER admit that kidneys exist.
I’m going to hook you up with a doctor like that, let me know how things shake out for you.
Your text is a tiresome catalogue of platitudes I addressed I don’t know how many times.
https://www.unz.com/article/derbyshire-vs-macdonald-revisited/#comment-2386807
https://www.unz.com/article/yoram-hazony-and-his-israeli-ethnostate-sorry-proposition-nation/?showcomments#comment-3302279
https://www.unz.com/article/jewish-leftist-activism-in-childrens-fiction/?showcomments#comment-2149470
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As for “emigrants” I am talking about, they’re Croats who moved to Germany and Ireland 6-8 years ago & are now finding them to be anti-white shitholes.
Trump’s a curate’s egg, good on some things and damn awful on others, as we’ve just seen.
His #1 priority from an American perspective is to restore American manufacturing, especially hi-tech, but destroying it was a 35 year process and he only has a tenth of that time – 3.5 years.
Sadly his #1 priority is Israel, but maybe the US is #2?
What he doesn’t seem to realise (and large numbers of Jewish Americans don’t seem to) is that without US hegemony – which depends on US industrial might in the end – Israel suddenly looks pretty vulnerable. I’m not sure the Chinese are big on Holocaustianity.
“There is no specific Holocaust memorial in Beijing”
There’s a sodding museum in Canberra, of all places! We all remember the trains rolling over the Nullarbor Plain …
But for all that, he’s a damn sight better than the alternative. Kamala would have been a wholly owned cipher like Biden. Trump’s at worst only partly owned.
You get what you pay for. When you provide incentives for these results it is like automatic. It is always amusing when the guys who think this stuff up show their history and they went to school for friggin economics.
What a great clip that describes your presence here. Thanks for the much needed laugh.
“Did Pfizer and Moderna have payola programs?”
Up through the 2020 election, the majority of Big Pharma political donations went to Republicans. Anti-vaxxers tended to be liberals like RFK Jr. It was Covid that changed that. Steve Sailer and Trump were on the same page in 2020 in supporting lockdowns and quickly approving the vaccines as safe and effective.
Probably more than anyone, it was DeSantis that changed the mind of Republicans on how the disease should be handled. The lockdowns were causing a great deal of economic destruction, with many small businesses going under. By ending the lockdowns, DeSantis prevented more of that. The Florida economy did better than other states, with many people moving there during the epidemic.
The lack of lockdowns did not lead to exceptionally high death rates in Florida. Adjusted for age distribution, they ended up at about the national average. DeSantis focused on protecting nursing home residents, rather than doing things like putting Covid patients in nursing homes like New York did. When the vaccines became available, he focused on encouraging old people to get vaccinated since the average Covid death involved someone in their seventies. At the same time, the Florida Health Department did not pressure people under forty to get vaccinated since they were at little risk of dying from the disease and there was some evidence that the vaccines had negative side effects like myocarditis. The overall success of Florida in dealing with the epidemic led Republicans to rethink their views of the medical establishment and the big federal health agencies.
“His #1 priority from an American perspective is to restore American manufacturing”
Which is great, but daunting.
https://conexus.cberdata.org/files/MfgReality.pdf
“especially hi-tech, but destroying it was a 35 year process”
Well, the GOP is clearly to blame for the outsourcing and offshoring, as well as company heads with golden parachutes who put into place measures that hamstrung unions.
And then there is this hypocrisy. The most iconic piece of the Trump brand, the MAGA hat, is made in Bangladesh. Trump suits have been sourced from various countries, including Mexico and Indonesia. Trump-branded ties were made in China. His Ivanka Trump clothing line also relied exclusively on factories in Bangladesh, Indonesia, and China.
“Trump’s at worst only partly owned.”
No, he is the tribe’s bitch. His daughter married a Jew, and his most trusted advisor is a Jew. Why are you covering for Trump? Those who voted for him might as well replace their MAGA hats with yamakas.
Hispanics and blacks breed pit bulls indiscriminately. It’s a real tragedy for both people and the dogs themselves. Sickening, really. The dogs, through no fault of their own, have been selectively bred for heightened aggression. Sure, maybe that can work for a hog hunter out in the forest, but in the hands of low IQ urban dwellers it’s a disaster
Disgusting Western degenerates
https://rmx.news/article/german-police-detain-poles-guarding-border-against-illegal-migration-amid-rising-migrant-handovers/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=poles_defend_their_border_german_greens_accused_of_being_white_elitists_and_the_battle_between_the_hijab_and_the_cross&utm_term=2025-06-26
German police detain Poles guarding border against illegal migration amid rising migrant handovers
If you need to listen to a reliable overview of Chauvin’s trial as opposed to relying on Corvy’s characterizations (yes, I know, funny thought), here’s a reliable source.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/online-event-derek-chauvin-post-trial-analysis-wednesday-april-21-8-p-m-eastern/
Mark, the first time I’d ever heard of Ron DeSantis was during the “early release” from LOCKDOWN in the Sunshine State, as reported while I was keeping track of all that Kung Flu Stupidity. I’ve had a lot of respect for the man ever since. Also, until Lawfare started being waged against Trump, I supported DeSantis for GOP Presidential candidate for ’24.
Since I looked at a few of the many Peak Stupidity Kung Flu Stupidity posts, I see that the 1st with any significant skepticism and fun-making on this subject was from Leap Year Day of ’20 – Goodbye to Rosie, the Queen of Corona.
Excellent. Love it, especially this analogy:
You must really be a writer after all, and not full of shit. If I were you, though, I would try to avoid overdoing the bragging/sexual exploits stuff referred to. Why do I say that? Because I know how it can look bad, because I am guilty of it too. I have written here about honest recollections from my own life. You have ended up looking like a parody of me. All of my stories are true, and I guess yours are too. That doesn’t mean we both don’t look like assholes.
And it doesn’t mean we both aren’t right either. Seriously, I occasionally am impressed with your perception.
The British actress Helena Bonham Carter once referred to her “two bastards” in a TV interview. I believe the father of both was Tim Burton, with whom she had a relationship at the time though they did not marry.
Here’s a better link to the Chauvin stuff. From serious people, not Corvy.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/video-chauvin-post-trial-analysis-with-prof-william-jacobson-and-andrew-branca-esq/
The Polish side was once heavily guarded by border troops, after WW2, when it was a recent Yalta acquisition. Indeed when East Germany and Poland were both Warsaw Pact members, the border was rather tightly secured on both sides.
Polls showed that support for the vaccine among doctors was greater than 98%.
What is more likely:
1. Steve looked at the evidence and agreed with most doctors.
2. Pharmaceutical companies decided to pay a blogger who is known in the mainstream to have politically incorrect views of race. They paid him to endorsed the vaccines on a website that is already buried by the search engines.
Not sure why “the crowds” of Unz have such a hard time with the possibility of someone disagreeing with.
MUST BE A CONSPIRACY. WHO COULD POSSIBILY DISAGREE WITH US. NO NEED FOR DISSENTING VIEWS. ITS A FLAWLESS BELIEF STRUCTURE.
Outspoken anti-vax radio host Marc Bernier died after three-week battle with COVID-19: report
https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxxer-marc-bernier-deceased/
Completely solid beliefs.
On IQ:
This is clearly shown in these studies:
Trends in both the Italian and Spanish participants were also consistent with this north–south pattern: ten of 32 participants from northern Italy had greater than a 10% “northern” component compared with two of 28 from southern Italy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564423/
Even within Italy, the relative position of northern Italians compared with subjects from Tuscany is consistent with the general geographic correspondence of PCA results..
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2730349/
Italian clusters separated into three main groups: Sardinia, Northern (North/Central-North Italy), and Southern Italy (South/Central-South Italy and Sicily); the first two were close to populations originally from Western Europe, while the last was closer to Middle Eastern groups
A sharp north-south division in cluster distribution was detected, the separation between northern and southern areas being shifted north along the peninsula . The reported structure dismissed the possibility that the Central Italian populations differentiated from the Northern and Southern Italian groups . Individuals from Central Italy were, in fact, assigned mostly to the Southern Italian clusters, except for samples from Tuscany, which grouped instead with the Northern Italian clusters
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6726452/
We concluded that in Italy more than 70% of the observed diversity is distributed along gradients and that Anatolian Farmers did have a different demographic impact on different Italian areas for paternal lienages.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17275346/
A similar pattern is observed in French, Northern Italian and Central Italian populations with a NE ancestry of 70%, 56% and 52% respectively (Figure 3). According to the PCA plot, also in the ADMIXTURE analysis there are relatively small differences in ancestry between Northern Italians and Central Italians while Southern Italians showed a lower average admixture NE proportion (43,6%) than Northern and Central Italy, and a higher Middle East ancestry (light blue) of 28%.
Density estimates for empirical distributions of genome-wide mean proportions of alleles shared between Italian and Northern European populations (Figure 4, top panel a) show that the median IBS sharing was higher for Northern Italy and lower for Sardinia and Southern Italy. Conversely, the median IBS sharing between Middle Eastern populations was higher for Southern Italy than for Northern Italy (Figure 4, center panel b). It was also possible to appreciate a lower IBS sharing between Mozabite populations (Figure 4, panel c).
Southern Italians showed a genetic affinity with Middle East populations, such as Palestinian and Druze; and Northern Italian populations were genetically closer to the French and CEU populations.
The Fst values presented here are lower than those published by Nelis et al. 2009 using 270K SNPs; they reported that the Southern Italian population sample showed an Fst value of 0.005 compared to the Northern Italy sample. The highest value of this pairwise Fst matrix was found between the Finns from Kuusamo and Southern Italy (Fst = 0.023).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3440425/
Regional differences in IQ are presented for 12 regions of Italy showing that IQs are highest in the north and lowest in the south. Regional IQs obtained in 2006 are highly correlated with average incomes at r = 0.937, and with stature, infant mortality, literacy and education. The lower IQ in southern Italy may be attributable to genetic admixture with populations from the Near East and North Africa.
It has not proved possible to find normative data for IQs in the south of Italy. However, Peluffo, 1962, Peluffo, 1964, Peluffo, 1967 has reported that the cognitive development of children in southern Italy and Sardinia (one of the poorest regions and part of the south) lags behind that of children in Genoa in northern Italy and in Switzerland in the performance of Piagetian tasks of the understanding of conservation and causality. For example, 65% of 9 year olds in Genoa succeeded in the conservation of volume task, compared with only 35% of 9 year olds in the south. Piagetian tasks can be regarded as tests of intelligence. A correlation between the two of 0.49 is reported by Jensen (1980, p. 674) as the average of 14 studies.
The present paper examines three hypotheses. First, that IQs in Italy are higher in the north than in the south. Second, that these IQ differences explain most of the per capita income differences. Third, that regional IQ differences in Italy are also manifest in variables that can be regarded as correlates or effects of IQs, including stature, infant mortality, literacy, and years of education.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609000956
My 69th birthday is this weekend so just out of curiosity I checked on the internet and found out the most listened to song on jukeboxes the day I was born was “Heartbreak Hotel” by Elvis Presley. Elvis is now long gone and jukeboxes are few and far between.
Knowing the broad range of musical interests Billie Eilish has and her liking of music going back decades before she was born, I went looking for her cover version of an Elvis song. Not surprisingly, I found one: “Can’t Help Falling in Love”. I also found an interview where she was asked if she likes Elvis or the Beatles more. Her response was the Beatles because their lyrics and harmonies are “just unbelievable” but Elvis did move his hips better!
Whose life was under threat from an unarmed 120 lb. woman, exactly? It’s one thing to say that he thought, wrongly, that he or another was endangered, (heat of the moment, chaos, etc.) it’s another thing entirely to say in 2025 that he “saved the lives of people.” He did no such thing, he did the opposite.
When the film came out I remember seeing Leicester City soccer supporters actually dressed as droogs, complete with bowler hats (Kubrick mostly based their look on the skinhead/boot boy of the early 1970s).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead
Back in this sceptred isle – you know, the one where in some areas more than half the kids are overweight:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/23/majority-children-overweight-obese-nine-areas-england-by-2035-study
we discover that 36% of young women 18-24 have mental health issues:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/26/young-people-england-common-mental-health-conditions-nhs-survey
I simply can’t understand it. I distinctly remember from my youth that we were told that if we stopped going to church, stopped sending criminals to prison, stopped insisting that people got married before having sex or having babies, stopped worrying about sex on TV, in novels and in films, stopped worrying about immigration , and started worrying about racism and sexism – that by now we’d live in an earthly paradise rather like the images of heaven in a Jehovah’s Witness publication. And we’d be civilised !
Instead we’re fat, poor, and mentally ill ! My kids have friends who are on anti-depressants in their early 20s ! If a girl is depressed then, what’ll she be like in her 40s?
Taking up your own analogy, naming “the Jews” as a cause of Western decline is like diagnosing hair loss as a cause of leukemia.
Don’t mean to pick on you because you’re a good guy but this trend of people, who are old enough to know better, gushing over every pedestrian sentiment/opinion expressed by President Eyelash is really unseemly.
I admit, I do get you two mixed up, since you’re both hedonists who like to spin Penthouse-type yarns at the drop of a hat. I can keep you straight by remembering that you also like to go on at length about food, while Germ rhapsodizes about female pop stars. It’s kind of comforting in a way to see the same old schticks continuing even after Steve has closed up shop here. You and Germ are still spinning pornographic fantasies, Corvinus is still engaged in transparent trolling, other posters are still taking his trolling in deadly earnest and trying to argue with him, John Johnson is still telling us how dumb Trump is and defending the “vaccine,” Mark G. is still lecturing on libertarianism, and everyone is still screaming about the Jews. It’s like the Simpsons–a show that just won’t end even though it has nothing to add at this point.
And now you know why coon hounds are cheap.
Yet, you decided to once again post here, schoolmarm. Is your mom named Greta?
Will the Jews actually save New York City from extreme left-wing government? Some Jews are upset about the possibility of a Mayor Mondari because, when a state senator, he was the first sponsor of a bill that would cut government money that supports synagogues (and without which they claim they cannot operate). The text of the bill is here:
https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2023/A6943A
And yet . . .
“In a 2015 essay on ‘Whiteness studies’ I attempted to lay the groundwork and contextualization for a more developed study of the scale and devastating impact of contemporary Jewish intellectual activism in our colleges, universities, and wider culture. In that essay I noted the importance of Jewish activists including Noel Ignatiev, Ruth Frankenberg, Ricky Marcuse, and Terry Berman, who between the mid-1970s and late 1990s engaged in an effort to develop an academic discipline known as ‘Whiteness studies.’ Since its inception, Whiteness studies has occupied a unique space in an increasingly multicultural disciplinary landscape. Unlike Black studies, Jewish studies, or Asian studies, this sphere of academia is not intended to constructively explore the achievements, history, and culture of its scrutinized ethnic group. Rather, the genre exists to subject ‘Whiteness,’ and by implication White people, to a uniquely hostile dialectic consisting of the debasement of White culture, the degradation of White history, and the delegitimization of the European claim to existence. As such, the discipline may be regarded as an act of ethnic warfare, based as it is on the intended conquest of minds and consciences, and eventually, resources and territory.”
“In all Western countries, Whiteness studies, in both its academic and social justice expressions, remains disproportionately directed by Jews. . . .”
As Sailer used to say: noticing. You have something against noticing?
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/10/02/the-jewish-origins-of-the-open-borders-movement/
Right now the current Polish military would absolutely destroy the current German military.
Look up the Spanish Golden Age.
“Whose life was under threat from an unarmed 120 lb. woman, exactly?”
The lives of the officers from the armed crowd behind her. Don’t be obtuse.
While Babbitt herself was unarmed when she was shot, the crowd in the vicinity used objects like flagpoles, helmets, and other items to try and break through the barricaded doors leading to the Speaker’s Lobby. She willingly made the choice to put herself into a position where she risked her life. And the fact remains the rioters had the intent to breach the Speaker’s Lobby, where Members of Congress were being evacuated and confront them in a patently aggressive manner. The officer believed correctly that the crowd’s actions posed an immediate threat to him, the other officers, and those in Congress. It is reasonable to believe he saved the lives of people given the violent nature of the crowd.
The moral of the story for protestors is not to put themselves into a position where they could be arrested, beaten, or shot in a chaotic situation, especially when they were repeatedly warned by law enforcement to vacate the premises and that they understood the dangers of the situation.
“gushing over every pedestrian sentiment/ opinion expressed by President Eyelash”
I thought about starting up an argument with Corvinus or John Johnson but I think I’m starting to mellow out in my old age because I decided to not bother with it and picked a trivial subject like current female pop singers instead to comment on.
I haven’t seen the worst of Steve’s commenters here recently. I won’t say who that is but his name starts with an “H” and ends with a “A”. I am hoping he will stick around because from here on out he should be entering Baghdad Bob territory as he explains why the Ukraine is winning their war with Russia. I would find that quite entertaining.
I guess Putin should have sold this S-400 to Iran
Did you read the Daily Mail piece where they quoted her as saying “I was meant to have my mouth in a vagina”?
After she sold some thousands of concert tickets to young lesbians the Daily Mail has photos of her with her new boyfriend who is some kind of a guitarist with rich parents. The Los Angeles version of lesbian until graduation.
I am not criticizing her music. I agree with the PDQ Bach guy who said
If I had to guess without reading, it’s because a lot more dumb ass women are allowing them around their children.
I’m beginning to regret my Billie eyelash smart ass remark as it has now sequed into “president eyelash” which is being used as an insult which was never my intent.
Don’t summon the demon
Fact . . . intent . . . confront . . . patently . . .
It’s a “fact” that they “had the intent” [describing unitary intent for a crowd of people as a “fact”] to “breach the speaker’s lobby” AND confront members of Congress AND do it in a “patently aggressive manner.” Any specifics as to the patently offensive manner of confrontation that was formed as group wide ‘intent’ by a crowd of people? Were they going to fart in the members of Congress’ general direction a la Monty Python?
“I admit, I do get you two mixed up, since you’re both hedonists who like to spin Penthouse-type yarns at the drop of a hat. ”
This is because you have already revealed, rather unintentionally, that you aren’t very perceptive.
The Captain and Me and Stampede are the Doobies’ best, IMO, though there’s much more good stuff. After this Michael McDonald single-handedly ruined the bad with Minute By Minute.
This is another song with lyrics that took me quite some time to figure out. Of course, it helps to know the geography of California. (“… Loma Prieta, my mountain home, on the hills above Santa Cruz, the place where I spent my youth.“) and something about those Beatniks (“It was Neil Cassidy who started me a-travlin’…“)
I really, really wish they hadn’t have ruined California!
This could be your lucky summer!
In other news, cause Peak Stupidity can’t be publishing dozens of posts daily, massive mission creep at the EU (something about a common currency and reduction of trade barriers?) has the Commissioner pushing for BLT-G++ parades in Hungary. Victor Orban begs to differ. Could it not be like the deal in Catch-22 in which the new major is not allowed to hold parades, but at least he’s allowed to cancel parades?
See Globalist European Commissioner Ursula von der Leyen Inserts Herself in Hungarian Affairs, Demands Budapest Pride Parade Be Allowed To Take Place – Orbán Issues Fiery Response. Per commenters, she may be demonically possessed. #BringBackExorcisms!
That’s really sad for a woman who was named based on her parents’ having gotten laid in a Chevy van.. though my German is a bit rusty … as is that Chevy van now, though the shag (get it?) carpeting still has that like-new smell of 1970’s Acapulco Gold.
See, now that there’s a post!
Partially off topic- I’ve just read Somerset Maugham’s “10 novels and their authors”. A very interesting old book, chock full of info both on authors & their works. I knew most things, but was pleasantly surprised to learn something new.
What was truly new was that “the greatest love romance in English literature”, Emily Bronte’s “Wuthering Heights” is nothing of the sort. Emily Bronte was certainly a man-hating lesbian & Heathcliff is a projection of her masculine self.
I read this novel- actually, a part of it- a long time ago & knew that I felt something uneasy about it, just I couldn’t put my fingers on it. Now- it’s all crystal clear.
Would post agree if I could. Sailer’s views are pretty close to most commenters here compared to the mainstream media. He is against America interfering in Ukraine’s politics, thought that COVID restrictions on outdoor activity were wrong and that American Jews should be more grateful to the US rather than continually complaining about racism. This site attracts the right wing equivalent of woke social justice warriors who tear each other apart for microaggressions.
Is it true that some are set up in the Somerset Maugham suite?
I graduated high school in ’69, and that summer as my sister-in-law says ” went walkabout” before college in the summer of love.
We’ve got a regular Oscar Levant on our hands here, lads.
“[describing unitary intent for a crowd of people as a “fact”]”
Well, you characterized all BLM protestors as having the same violent intent. I’m just employing the same metric you used.
But if you are honest with yourself, the video footage of the group on the doorstep to the Speaker’s lobby shows clearly their mindset and conduct.
“Any specifics as to the patently offensive manner of confrontation that was formed as group wide ‘intent’ by a crowd of people?”
When you have crowds climbing on scaffolding, smashing windows, looting offices, and posing for selfies as they romp through a federal building for nearly three hours, despite repeated calls by law enforcement to leave the premises.
When you have over 140 police officers injured by rioters.
When the FBI referred to the attacks an act of domestic terrorism.
“If I were you, though, I would try to avoid overdoing the bragging/sexual exploits stuff referred to. Why do I say that? [GOOD REASONS]”
Oh I know, sure you’re right, but in fairness I stopped that shit quite some time ago. But here’s the thing: why do you think I did it in the first place? This is the internet, I am not going to get laid by gassing on here, and there is no point trying to impress a bunch of strangers — what are y’all going to do for me? Trust me I am quite secure in my own ego, I haven’t had to impress anybody since before I was 30. (Before I was 20, if you really want to get strict about it.) I don’t want anyone’s money and I don’t want anyone’s vote, so I have no motive.
Except one. There is a kind of stale cliche persistently hovering around the Dissident Right (which to my mind is the only intellectually, morally, and historically serious clique in American public discourse) that all the participants are bitter sexless childless single middle-aged white men whom History has passed by. By discussing (one hopes persuasively) some of my own rather outre exploits, my hope is just to help dispel that myth. Not everybody who thinks this way is an angry incel, it simply is not the case. Other people help to dispel it too, just by talking about their wives and kids. That’s all.
In real life I am the least egomaniac person you’d be likely to meet — after all, I was educated by Franciscan monks, who emphasize humility and charity. Do you have any idea how many more scalps I could take in a place like this, if I weren’t so sweet and reserved?
If the races were reversed, the sentences would be reversed. Jim Snow, Corvinas, can you dig it?
Next you will say how you and Pee Wee shared a moment calling your Asian stripper friend from a seedy Soho bathhouse while coked up in 1986.
Nancy, meet Sluggo. Sluggo, meet Aunt Fritzi.
I am sure you three will have quite a lot to talk about.
Germ Theory does not post porn fantasies. The naked Asian strippers just talk literature, and the chick singers just sing. Nothing naughty, just harmless appreciation of feminine charms.
https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1938265722422976626
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1938235904499253332
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1938250993885470870
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1938266060181864684
https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1938296243752423810
If you’re agreeing with Pajeet Johnson then you should probably take a step back an reassess. Him or her or it (and you, FTM) suggesting people here have a hard time with people disagreeing is laugh out loud funny.
Pajeet Johnson is one of the several gaslighting tools who brings the lockstep mainstream approved narrative to an alternative viewpoint webzine and then cries like a bitch because people with more intelligence in their clipped fingernails laugh him out of the call center.
“Sailer’s views are pretty close to most commenters here compared to the mainstream media. ”
This is about as honest as the trope saying pigs and humans are more genetically similar than they are genetically different.
“He is against America interfering in Ukraine’s politics, ”
Uh,, whaaaaaaaaaat? He is absolutely NOT against the US interfering with Ukraine politics, as it has been doing for 11 plus years. He is against Russia finally… finally, after a decade of provocation from the neocon US State Dept, stepping in to defend not only itself from a hostile and encroaching NATO blob, but also its ethnic cousins who have been getting oppressed and murdered by the thousands since 2014.
“I clean my gun, and dream of Galveston” could have some different meanings…
I can understand why Croats are moving back home. I’ve been to Germany, Ireland, and Croatia, and the parts of Croatia I’ve seen (the coast) comes out on top. A nation full of white people (not third-world immigrants), plus cleanliness, are two huge additional bonuses: driving from shithole, third-world, Brussels to sunny, clean, white Croatia was like dying and going to heaven.
Are you familiar with the theory Sex in the City is a television show made by male homosexuals who hate women?
You mean that someone somewhere did, maybe, and you’re doing your usual schtick? Care to provide a citation? Regardless, RealClearPolitics provides the numbers and Floyd riot was an order of magnitude more destructive.
Which was what Mr. Mind Reader, aside from entering the building?
Good luck finding a list of the injuries. I searched, nothing. RealClearPolitics provided a list of injury causing actions: “Bludgeoning with poles and bats; pushing and trampling; crushing in doorways; spraying of chemical irritants. No numbers provided anywhere re: the proportions or nature of the injuries.”
Here is their description of Floyd riots rioter actions:
“Shooting at officers; throwing Molotov cocktails at officers standing at skirmish lines, or behind officers to trap them between fire and protesters; throwing dangerous objects at officers from elevated positions; using peaceful protesters as human shields; targeting officers’ eyes with lasers; doxing police officers; aggressive tactics to free arrestees from police custody; use of weapons caches and “snack vans” to conceal weapons.”
Maybe not for you, but if I were meeting much less talking literature with a smart naked woman in a strip club I might start going assuming my gal agreed which would never happen.
And they’ll be interrupting a patron who proclaims “citations needed” before asking to emancipate her bikini bottoms.
“the pure products of America
go crazy”
— William Carlos Williams
As a poetic adage, it stands on its own; but in particular he was talking about Elsie Stevens, the wife of the poet Wallace Stevens (both his friends), who had posed as the model for the famous “Walking Liberty” silver dollar, US coin. She was a legendary beauty for her time, and had later gone mad as a hatter, just like Zelda Fitzgerald.
Just goes to show, art is made of all the stuff that goes on around you personally. I created my Wooster Group-inflected Richard III, the thing that made my reputation, partly because I was mad that a girl I liked was dating one of my friends. Like the old joke goes, Well some people know how to tell a joke, and some don’t. Same thing goes with a story. I know the internet remembers everything, but I’m surprised that individuals can be bothered to. The whole “naked Asian stripper” thing was part of a character sketch, to illustrate that my old (and deceased! de mortuis nil nisi bonum) and very dear friend was a kind of queen bee and a forceful personality — it wasn’t a lurid perv detail. I reckon (perhaps wrongly) that I’ve earned a stitch or two of respect around here, so if so then please stop talking about a lady who is no longer among us in such shitty terms. It just reflects poorly on you guys. Sheesh, I joined the Boy Scouts because I couldn’t stand all the locker-room crap of little league-style sports teams.
Far from burgeoning
verdure, the hard way
is this street.
Frank O’Hara, “1951”
I have criticized John Johnson’s inexcusable neoconservatism in the past but nothing can allow the defamation of a white man as a disgusting street-dirtying rapist scammer.
Both Syria and Iran were offered a defense pact with Russia and both rejected it (Norks accepted).
A comments section should not be a team sport. Agree or disagree with people depending on the post, there is no point in going back through the history of everything that they have said, particularly in my case when I have a hard time remembering who most of you are.
Also, posts in lockstep with any particular position are not worth reading, whether supporting or opposing the mainstream. The mainstream is wrong about a lot, but not about everything. That is what I like about Sailer, he was not consistent either way.
Uh,, whaaaaaaaaaat? He is absolutely NOT against the US interfering with Ukraine politics, as it has been doing for 11 plus years. He is against Russia finally… finally, after a decade of provocation from the neocon US State Dept, stepping in to defend not only itself from a hostile and encroaching NATO blob
He was dead against western interference that started the war, but does not like the president that Russia set by invading Ukraine. This has been his opinion for some time. He was also pretty even handed about the behaviour of Russian troops in Ukraine and warned about Ukrainian and Georgain over aggresiveness.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/victoria-nuland-us-ambassador-to-ukraine/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/ukraine-2/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/crimea/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/atrocities-in-the-ukraine/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/biden-administration-is-worried-by-ukrainian-aggressiveness/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/olympic-war-games-past-when-putin-and-bush-negotiated-war-or-peace-in-beijing/
Well Curle was wondering why I always post pop tart songs and no men (short answer: Billie and Tori and PJ are/were making genuine art, I don’t see too many guys doing it) but here we go, from a long while back… (partly stolen/er, “inspired by” the old blues great Bukka White)…
He looks a little like I did when I was that age (and had hair), jacket and all.
My father was a railroad man, so it only goes to show. Best closing line ever….
“She’s goin’ everywhere but home.”
Cheerio.
I was referring to Trump-45. Steve just never took to him. Never liked his ideas being wrapped up in that tacky golden package. And, of course, he probably had even more disdain for the lowly base. They’ve not even read Tom Wolfe.
There is enough evidence (her letters, memoirs of people who knew her,..) to support the thesis. As I see, post-2000 critics have uneasily accepted the possibility of it.
Maugham was himself a homosexual, so this might possibly colour his literary theories.
Stevens was likely the model for the Mercury dime, the Walking Liberty dollar model is Audrey Munson who (coincidentally?) also was mad as a hatter. She died in 1995 aged 104, fwiw.
Excellent typo, bro!
What makes you think it’s white or male 🤔
That’s a sad story. It doesn’t help your sanity when your beauty causes your landlord to murder his wife to have a chance of marrying you.
I remember when I had hair and smoked and my dad retired from the AT&SF RY now BNSF and sadly I was kicked out of boy scouts for smacking the scout masters fat kid.
Cue corvi saying it’s all bs
“You mean that someone somewhere did, maybe, and you’re doing your usual schtick?”
No, you clearly are of the mentality that every single BLM protester is violent. Why deny it?
“Regardless, RealClearPolitics provides the numbers and Floyd riot was an order of magnitude more destructive”
I never said otherwise. Thanks for the strawman.
“Good luck finding a list of the injuries. I searched, nothing”
There is enough of a description about the nature of the injuries.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/politics/capitol-riot-police-officer-injuries.html#:~:text=Officers’%20advocates%20blamed%20not%20only,of%20the%20Capitol%20Police%20Union.
Oh, f**k you, you ridiculous piece of crap. Nothing you have ever written is accurate.
“Corrected for accuracy”………….what a pompous poindexter thing to say. Did they teach you that at incel neckbeard school, you f**king idiot?
Both Syria and Iran were offered a defense pact with Russia and both rejected it (Norks accepted).
Russia was contracted to provide Assad with security after the majority Sunni tried to overthrow his totalitarian government.
That is why Russian bases were in Syria.
They weren’t there for a desert vacation.
Putin chose to stab Assad in the back. Maybe you missed this:
A top Iranian general said Russia was actually bombing the empty desert while saying it was attacking Syrian rebels
https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-top-general-russia-bombed-empty-desert-instead-rebels-syria-2025-1
As for Iran you’d have to provide a source. That seems to be the excuse of the day but Putin recently made this comment:
‘Two Million People Of Soviet Union Reside In Israel’: Putin Responds Why Russia Is Not Helping Iran
https://www.news18.com/world/two-million-people-of-soviet-union-reside-in-israel-putin-responds-why-russia-is-not-helping-iran-ws-l-9399291.html
Pretty much the only decent deed of the 2011-2016 Cameron/Osborne government was to restrict benefits for parents to the first two children only, to prevent precisely the Mick and Mairead Philpotts of this world. It’s still restricted even now, although the Labour left are permanently agitating to go back to the old system.
Now, you can still have lots of kids, but you can’t ask the taxpayer to subsidise them – well apart from their education and healthcare.
So you’re trotting out the old “9 out of 10 doctors recommend” line, huh? One of Madison Avenue’s more famous creations.
Wow – that’s convincing. Here are some more doctors recommending things:
So, on the basis of that, do you think that a boy can just decide to be a girl?
Your “experts” suck. Maybe you should get new ones.
Whereas it is well known that nobody who got the vaccine died of COVID. And certainly nobody who got the vaccine and vilified people who didn’t ever died from COVID. And, even more certainly, nobody who got the vaccine and vilified people who didn’t ever “died suddenly”.
“He is against America interfering in Ukraine’s politics,”
Yet Mr. Sailer supports Ukraine’s independence and is opposed to Putin’s dictatorial conduct.
“thought that COVID restrictions on outdoor activity were wrong”
OK
“and that American Jews should be more grateful to the US rather than continually complaining about racism.”
They are grateful. And there remains anti-Semitic remarks and behavior. But at least Stephen Miller is a different type of Jew at the helm of Trumpism. He can be trusted, right?
“This site attracts the right wing equivalent of woke social justice warriors who tear each other apart for microaggressions.”
Boss statement. Thread winner.
JJ always chooses nothing but the best propaganda websites for his fantasy tales.
Tell us the one about the granny and the pickle jar ! Or the Ghost of Kiev !
Here’s the late lamented AN225, destroying the highly secure flimsy wooden fence at RAF Brize Norton. What a beast. Soviet classic, made to carry the Buran space shuttle clone.
Great to see that you continue to proudly wear on your pointy head the yeller at clouds tiara of this fine opinion webzine.
I can’t count how many women (especially young women) I have heard gush on about their “sweet” little Pit Bull, who was a rescue, by the way. They are always quick to throw that in to get the virtue signaling points. Personally, I don’t care whether it’s a rescue or not. You want a particular breed, then go to a dog breeder and get it. Nothing wrong with that. I attach no moral superiority to avoiding breeders.
Do they ever stop to think how their little “sweetie” ended up in a shelter? Like maybe the previous owners were arrested?
Pit Bulls were bred to be exactly what their name implies: combat dogs – dogs who fight for sport, ferocious, aggressive, and lethal.
Last I checked, something like 85 – 90% of serious dog attacks are due to Pit Bulls. And Weimaraners make up most of the rest. If you keep a Pit Bull in your house around your children, you may as well leave a loaded firearm out too. At least it will be available to shoot the dog when it attacks your kid.
Society as a whole as trained young women to be stupid.
This doesn’t actually address the claim I was disputing: that criminal proclivities could be bred out of a population by executing juvenile offenders.
Obviously, if the British had succeeded in doing that, bastardy would do nothing to reverse the change.
Evidently, they did not succeed in eradicating the trait. Yet in the late Eighteenth Century, they had infamously resorted to executing offenders as young as six. Ergo, the evidence does not support the thesis that killing off juvenile criminals will reduce the crime rate.
I hold that the Japanese don’t commit much crime because they’re Japanese — not because someone eradicated all the crime-committing genes back in the Sixteenth Century by beheading children.
Reading comprehension can be your friend, try it.
So you’re trotting out the old “9 out of 10 doctors recommend” line, huh? One of Madison Avenue’s more famous creations.
Wow – that’s convincing. Here are some more doctors recommending things:
No I wasn’t thinking of a marketing ad. Are you not able to approach this issue rationally like a White man?
AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/ama-press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
Why do you have such a hard time with the possibility of Steve disagreeing with you?
Are you that insecure to where you need Steve’s affirmation of all your opinions?
Both Trump and Hannity made public endorsements of the vaccine. Were they secretly paid by pharm companies?
So, on the basis of that, do you think that a boy can just decide to be a girl?
You cited a statement from a politicized organization and not a poll of doctors.
I don’t agree with them and it doesn’t negate the fact that Steve agrees with most doctors on the COVID vaccine. Why does that bother you?
Whereas it is well known that nobody who got the vaccine died of COVID. And certainly nobody who got the vaccine and vilified people who didn’t ever died from COVID. And, even more certainly, nobody who got the vaccine and vilified people who didn’t ever “died suddenly”.
Anti-vaxxers dying of COVID shows that the anti-vaxx side does not have rock solid beliefs.
It shows room for discussion while anti-vaxxers were rejecting the vaccine before it was released. They also rejected nuanced positions like suggesting it for high risk groups such as overweight boomers like Bernier. From the start it has been a very emotionally driven movement as seen by the fact that they allow the most extreme positions even if they are contradictory. For example the anti-vaxxers allow the position that the virus isn’t real and the vaccines are fake. That contradicts their more common claim that the vaccines are more harmful than the virus. Well does the virus exist or not? They really don’t care as long as you reject the vaccine. It’s an emotionally driven movement, largely by White boomers that have been led by a California liberal lawyer with zero background in medicine or biology and refused to debate actual virologists. He did however have a $12 e-book he was willing to sell the public.
We actually had numerous anti-vaxxers at Unz that denied that both HIV and COVID exist. They went so far as to deny that they can be viewed with electron microscopes. So flat out denying existing technology that you can go use at your local University. You can go down there and ask to see it. The anti-vaxx movement is highly emotional and completely intolerant of any dissent. Unfortunately Unz attracted a lot of them during COVID.
I know he was. I’ve come to the conclusion that homosexuals who write on various literary topics (E.M. Forster, Maugham,..) are sages to be trusted.
Go gays, go!
https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1938473263589417022
https://twitter.com/TaylorDRhodes2A/status/1938453749791412400
This site attracts the right wing equivalent of woke social justice warriors who tear each other apart for microaggressions.
One of the best descriptions I have seen of the problem.
Unz is a social experiment that unfortunately fails for most of the posters.
They understandably complain about the bias of the MSM but then turn hostile towards dissenting views. In their minds this is different and certain viewpoints shouldn’t be allowed. They often take an inverse MSM approach where any opinion similar to the mainstream must be rejected on its basis before it has been studied. This is of course illogical. MSM says it will rain tomorrow? Well of course it will be sunny since they lie about so much else. I don’t have to read no stinking weather report. They lie and YOU must be on their side.
How much would the MSM be able to deceive the public if dissenting views of all types were allowed?
But for most posters at Unz they believe that their tribalism is different. Well we need to suppress certain viewpoints for the sake of (ideological beliefs or movement).
Yes that is exactly how mainstream conservatives and liberals think.
In their minds they are blocking dissenting views that are noxious or part of some counter-movement that is against the good of America.
“We need to block your opinion for a better tomorrow. The view you are espousing may indeed have a basis in reality but it isn’t good for the public as it will only encourage the destructive opposition.”
– Mainstream liberals, conservatives and around 2/3rds of Unz posters
My immediate reaction was: Only one order of magnitude?!
I’m not recalling a good quantification of the violence difference between the two though. The closest thing I see at RCP is this:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/01/10/investigative_issues_insurrection_double_standards_811345.html
Which links her longer form article:
https://www.city-journal.org/article/insurrections-and-double-standards
Do you have a link?
Here is one comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
That would be two to three orders of magnitude. And given the source (Wikipedia) and difference between the metrics (estimated damage vs. insurance claims) I would guess that understates the true difference.
I’m never sure crime can be completely eradicated by any number of executions. Man is born unto trouble as the sparks fly upwards, and a lot of crime, from burglary to rape, is putting your needs before someone else’s. So with the right incentives, you can create a new criminal generation from a previously law abiding population.
As Theodore Dalrymple wrote of Fred West’s Gloucester, formerly Beatrix Potter’s Gloucester:
https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-horror-story
I read a lot of the comments on Steve’s post about dog bites, pretty much what you’re saying. I say it’s the dog fighters who got the niggers meskins and white trash into breeding the monsters. Local animal shelter has lots of pit pit crosses gee I wonder why.
Of course I agree with most of the comment, but I fail to understand why what Steve thought matters? I like Steve, agreed with him on most issues, with some I disagreed & many I found incomprehensible/uninteresting.
And?
Steve is a thoughtful & good man, but why this approach as if he was some kind of guru or a vatic figure? A blog is for communication & conversation, not for cult worship.
“Both Trump and Hannity made public endorsements of the vaccine”
Trump received three hundred sixty thousand dollars from the pharm companies in the 2020 campaign. Biden received even more, nine hundred seventy thousand dollars. Biden went even further than just endorsing the vaccine. He tried to mandate it for large segments of the population.
Working for the army, I was required to get the vaccine even though I had Covid five months prior to that and there was plenty of evidence I had natural immunity after getting the disease. I was told I had to get the vaccine to keep me from catching Covid and passing it on to my coworkers even though there was also accumulating evidence the vaccine did not stop transmission. I was teleworking full time from home then. Apparently they thought I could transmit the disease to coworkers working miles away from me. It was a common belief in the army the vaccines were mandated to boost pharm company profits as a way to pay them back for the big donations they had given politicians.
As for the media, the pharm companies buy lots of advertising from them. Therefore, it is naive to think the media would be totally unbiased when it comes to discussing the value of pharm company products.
There’s an imbedded file at the end of the article(s) on this page (continuously updated they say) titled “A Resource on Violent Political Unrest, Continually Updated”:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/09/09/realclearinvestigations_jan_6-blm_comparison_database_791370.html
You have to scroll down to the bottom to find the data and then you need to manipulate your screen if using a cell phone to find headings with further links (pop ups) with more data. I had to turn my screen sideways.
Let me know if you need further assistance.
Arrests: Capitol = 840; Floyd riots > 16K.
Damage: Capitol = $2.7 M; Floyd: $1B – 2B.
You really have to turn cell phone to side to see specifics.
I went to the animal shelters in the nearest city, and every single dog there was a Pit Bull or some sort of Pit Bull mix. I wanted a Beagle or a Jack Russell. The dogs I saw were most likely ghetto dogs. There is no way I would bring one of those dogs into my home. I eventually went to a breeder and bought another Jack Russell. He’s a great dog, and I don’t have to worry about him mauling anybody.
My theory is that most of the white women who adopt Pit Bulls are wokies who know that they are adopting ghetto dogs. Doing so is a way to virtue signal without having to adopt a black child or really have to have much to do with blacks in person. At least these women spay and neuter and try to love and socialize the dogs. When I see blacks and latinos with Pit Bulls, I just have to roll my eyes.
What I glean from this is that middle-aged women are better served as cat ladies than dog ladies.
Sex and the City showrunner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Star
Evidence for this assertion can be found here:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailers-law-of-mass-shootings-at-the-super-bowl-parade/#comment-6425105
You don’t know what I’m talking about and I had already commented on the other bit back when it happened.
The names sound black. This would certainly be distressing if the girls were white, but if they are in fact black, it’s merely predictable.
I like this:
They’re white! Not distressing in the least. Great for them. Great Britain needs more of these patriotic women to pump out white children.
This is all part of Mr. Sailer’s family formation plan that he referenced in his book NOTICINGS! Make sure to buy it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4572219.stm
“I hold that the Japanese don’t commit much crime because they’re Japanese”
You ever seen 18th-century Japanese block-print Tokugawa pornography? The least most un-sexiest pornography ever created? THAT is why there isn’t much Japanese crime! (kidding, gaaa….)
I used to walk my dog at the middle school not far from my house when school was out, warming track was a good place to walk. One morning just as I got to the school a black caddy driven by a nigger with a pit and a rotie in the back seat hanging out the window snarling and barking. I went on around and here came the same car slowly cruising past. About half around the track I see the car pull into the parking lot and the nigger let the dogs out (no leashes). Of course they headed right for us so I hollered at him then showed him my handy dandy Bond Arms snake gun, double barrel 410 deringer, surprisingly he was able to get his dogs and load them and haul ass. I don’t walk there anymore.
You’re on the wrong blog. Paul Kersey is one more block over.
See, you’re trying way too hard to convince us how tuff you come across the n—— you supposedly encountered.
Beats scrolling through your sublimated hostility due to tricks in back allies turning you down.
“My theory is that most of the white women who adopt Pit Bulls are wokies who know that they are adopting ghetto dogs. Doing so is a way to virtue signal …”
I expect some are hoping the dog will deter aggressors.
I am going to be my wishywashy, evenhanded and social democratic self in responding to you John Johnson.
This site attracts the right wing equivalent of woke social justice warriors who tear each other apart for microaggressions.
Oddly enough posters seem to have become more polite to each other now that Sailer has gone. This place has become more of a community that listens to each others life stories (ref Germ Theory). As I suspect many do not have great social lives away from the keyboard, this is a positive development.
Well, mainstream liberals and conservatives have control of much of the global media, civil services and governments. We should have some empathy for the 2/3 of Unz posters who have to content themselves with an iron grip on this comment thread.
I can imagine making the argument that the US govt class and medical establishment was bribed or intimidated by Big Pharma although the total amount of money that you mention is pretty trivial compared to what Big Pharma was doing what you claim it did. But most govts around the world adopted vaccines. I cannot disprove what you are claiming, but is it likely that so many govts around the world were all bought out by Big Pharma ?
This is not to say that there was not overreach and that a lot of what was done disgusts me. Worst case was the statement by 100s of “Experts” that Black Lives Matter demonstrations were a Public Health necessity.
Well, ‘mental health issues’ is decidedly subjective. In my limited experience, 75-100% of Spanish women have mental health issues.
Still the same obfuscation and evasion from you. The posters at this “fine opinion webzine” universally consider you to be a yammering piece of excrement. And they are right.
And yet you sound like one.
Is that a jealous street-s*#tter talking?
No, you little insecure man, I don’t need Steve to agree with me. But I lost a lot of respect for him when he caved to the World-wide insanity that was the COVID response.
No, they were publicly paid by pharma companies. Trump got campaign donations from them. Not as many as Biden did, but you know how donors are – they like to butter both sides of their bread.
As to Sean Hannity………have you seen the ads on FOX? What fraction of their ad reveune comes from Pharma companies? Probably at least %15 (the media average), and – given their aged demographic – probably even more than that. So – yeah – Hannity was on the take too.
Try reading sometime. I cited endorsements by numerous medical societies and professional organizations – all the major ones – and composed of doctors, and which purport to speak for doctors. And every man-jack of them is all on board with the tallywhacker-whacking agenda.
Those are YOUR experts. Own it, pal.
What does that even mean? How about the many multi-vaxxed people who none-the-less died of COVID or who just……….died. And, of course, you retail the lie that what people were opposed to was the vaccine. No, you duplicitous numbskull, what they were opposed to was the coercion.
Still on with this lie, are you? Yes, some people question whether HIV causes AIDS. They don’t deny that HIV exists. And the fact that you can see it with an electron microscope is irrelevant. You can see lots of things with an electron microscope that none-the-less are not the causative agent of a disease.
You aren’t very bright, are you?
You’re boring.
This takes us off into the varying significance of ‘marriage.’
At opposite poles we have the all too common Latin American ‘marriage’ where in fact the male half has literally started a second family with a mistress and has had several children by her. At the other extreme are the Berkeley ‘unmarriages’ I have seen. No contractural vows — but the partners have been together thirty six years, have been scrupulously faithful, and have had 1.7 children.
“This time has been different. Steve Sailer has written a few good words about Trump in his substack posts, but generally I agree with you that he doesn’t like him because “low brow”.”
I think Sailer’s core disagreement with Trump (and many commenters here) is that Sailer believes in the scientific method and they don’t.
“I think Sailer’s core disagreement with Trump (and many commenters here) is that Sailer believes in the scientific method and they don’t.”
I think the core mistake Steve makes is that the scientific method works just fine with science-y science stuff: protons and viral particles and so forth.
Science does less well when trying to explain, say, Franz Shubert or John Coltrane or Charles Manson. I can give you a persuasive biographical explanatory sketch of any of the above, but it would definitely not be “science”. Or “scientific”. Or even “scient-ACULAR!!”
The human “sciences” are not actually scientific in the way that say physics is scientific. They are approximations: useful to a certain degree, and then suddenly… not.
You don’t want to know how many “economists” I’ve had this row with. And then ordered a round of Bull’s Blood (Egri Bikaver) with after.
Dept. of Personal Weirdness Department….
When I was a kid, my parents let me listen to whatever the heck I wanted (even –shudder– Yes!), but they had three Required Listening Instruments, which they felt were educational and sort of foundational: they were, Johnny Cash, the early Beatles, and Italian opera, especially Verdi. Oh, and the original cast recording of Camelot.
One of the things about the Beatles I noticed as a lad (your opinion may vary) was that, in addition to the great songwriting skill and the tonal solidity of their production values (the two main reasons my p and m wanted us to hear it) was the particular quality of John Lennon’s voice. Paul always sounded to me like a good rock n roller with a good sound who was just trying to score a hit record. John always sounded like he had an extra dimension, a kind of pain which he was at once both expressing and also trying to hide. Hmmm how come I could identify with that.
Here he is just riffing without an actual song, just fucking around, it’s just pure John, just that unique timbre….
I was screaming this out the window one day, and my mother walked by and said, You realize he’s just having a laugh at Bob Dylan, right?
[sound of ego deflating]
“I think Steve’s core disagreement with Trump (and many commenters here) is that Steve believes in the scientific method and they don’t.”
I think Steve’s former frequent commenter PhysicistDave, who has a PhD in physics from Stanford, believes in the scientific method. He left Steve’s comment section after Steve started putting his comments on the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians in moderation for long periods of time. I know he was blocking comments by PD because PD said that in a comment elsewhere on this website.
Steve’s differing views from many of the commenters here on the Israeli-Palestinian and Russian-Ukrainian conflicts had little to do with the scientific method. PhysicistDave recently made a reappearance here and said it was his belief that Steve’s writings were being influenced by a desire late in his career to improve his financial position after years of financial struggles.
Similar experience, though I avoided the more problematic suite like the anthrax vax. Every year I received the influenza vax, I was sick for a week afterwards, with chills, sweats, fatigue. I can remember reading Stars and Stripes while stationed in Germany in the early 90s, and there was an honest dialogue in that paper about concerns over the anthrax vax even before they started jabbing people, a much more open debate than anything I remember in the MSM about the Covid product. I never had it as it was reserved for those deployed to the ME. Friends who did get the vax reported to me strange cancers, still births, etc. Meryl Nass did a great interview with Whitney Webb about the history of the anthrax vax and gulf war syndrome.
Good god, this is stupid shit. Yes, thankfully the totalitarian Assad regime has been overthrown! Just like post-Gaddafi Libya, Syria is now a paradise of freedom and tolerance.
Thank you! That is an excellent resource. I wonder why it did not appear in my search (perhaps “Google” is the answer).
Worth noting that it includes the 2017 Inauguration riot which is another useful comparison data point.
The comments mention a 2020 attempted invasion of the White House by BLM, but that is thoroughly “debunked” elsewhere by the usual suspects. Does anyone have a reasonable balanced account of that incident?
Nothing boring about the replacement of whites by vibrants. Why hate single white young women who are finally doing their job of having kids?
So damage almost 3 orders of magnitude and police response 1 order of magnitude plus 2x (call it 1.3 orders of magnitude).
That also says something ;-/
All you have left is ad hominem. Pathetic.
“most governments around the world adopted vaccines ”
A number of countries were following guidelines set by the World Health Organization. A major financial contributor to the World Health Organization was vaccines advocate Bill Gates so it too was not an unbiased source of information.
Some countries like China did not adopt the experimental mRNA vaccines and used traditional vaccines. I have not investigated this but it is possible using political donations to influence decisions was more difficult in undemocratic countries like China.
The government decision to advocate the experimental mRNA vaccines in this country was a political decision rather than a scientific one. There were no studies of the long term safety of the vaccines, which made it difficult to compare the dangers of the vaccine to the dangers of Covid. It was also difficult to compare a vaccine using a new technology to traditional vaccines. Also, unlike a disease like smallpox that a vaccine was developed for, Covid was only dangerous to old people. 99.7% of people under sixty who got Covid survived it.
“…Also, unlike a disease like smallpox that a vaccine was developed for, Covid was only dangerous to old people. 99.7% of people under sixty who got Covid survived it.”
.3% of about 270 million Americans under 60 would be about 800,000 deaths.
“Yes, thankfully the totalitarian Assad regime has been overthrown!”
Indeed, there is thanks. Let the people themselves decide their political fate, rather than by strongman rule. As in any dictator who is removed from power, there inevitably will be a transition.
“Just like post-Gaddafi Libya, Syria is now a paradise of freedom and tolerance.”
It is other than surprising that a power vacuum developed, with rival factions duking it out.
“800,000 deaths”
Some of those were people dying with Covid rather than from Covid. Some of them were people in poor health who would have died at an early age anyway. Some of them died from harmful or ineffective hospital treatments like ventilators or Remdesivir. Any attempts by doctors to develop and implement early home treatments that might have saved lives were blocked because the government threatened to take away their medical licenses.
You can’t look at deaths from Covid in isolation. In the long run, the lockdowns themselves may lead to many additional deaths. They caused a great deal of economic destruction and left people poorer. Rich people live longer than poor people so by making people poorer you decrease life expectancy. There were also other negative effects like negative effects involving the education of young people.
It is always politically popular to do what brings the most benefits in the short term. No one really thought about the long term effects of our Covid response on young people and the future negative educational or economic effects on them. We did what older Boomers, who make up a powerful voting bloc and who feared the disease, wanted.
Thanks, M.D. As a big VDare writer, Mr. Sailer I’m sure, appreciated Candidate Trump’s promises. We all got let down, not completely, but partially, by Trump-45’s lack of follow-through on most of his policies. Sometimes I get really exasperated with the guy, but I generally like Trump as a person. I think Mr. Sailer doesn’t. I don’t recall him having given any “atta-boy”s for any of the good Trump moves or some of the good words out of his bully pulpit.
The lowly base is one thing, but even the good MTGs and Matt Goetzes (although, in that mystery post, it sounds like he met the latter) are people that I think Steve Sailer doesn’t like and doesn’t undertand. He’s around different types of people there in his part of LA, I guess.
I’m no big Tom Wolfe reader myself, though I really like The Right Stuff – saw the movie before I read the book. I also read Back to Blood. It was pretty good.
Steve Sailer may very well appreciate the Scientific Method, but I guarantee I’ve USED IT more than he ever has. He makes observations and combines them with stats. There is no real theory involved.*
The problem I see is people “believing” in the Scientific Method who don’t necessarily use it and understand any science where it IS used, or is said to be used. I mean, for crying out loud, the guy still isn’t sure that the Climate Calamity™ is based on conjecture, un-tested bogus math models, and politics. (OK, he understands the latter.) To fall for that is to prove to the world that one definitely does not understand the Scientific Method.
But, we have a whole lot of Believers, though. These guys have degrees, many of them more than one! There is no way they could be biased in the conclusions based on love of grant money, fame, and their fear of being outcasts. No, of course not. Gell-Mann Amnesia, they call it.
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* If it doesn’t start at the root with Newton’s Laws, the 1st Law of Thermo., or some Maxwell equaton, it’s probably not science or engineering. If any one of those theorems were to be disproven, the world would have to fall apart at that moment – bridges would fall, boilers would expode, and planes would fall out of the sky.
Right now that “transition” is that Syria is governed by what we used to call Al Qaeda. Do you think they are practitioners of good government? Do you think they will allow the Syrian people to decide their own political fate?
So – what about it, huh? Enlighten us with you wisdom, you yammering sphincter.
Yes, all that anyone is left with when addressing you is insults. Because insults are all you deserve, you chattering idiot.
“Steve’s differing views from many of the commenters here on the Israeli-Palestinian and Russian-Ukrainian conflicts had little to do with the scientific method.”
This is a plain truth. Corvinus Light, aka James B Shearer, knows this but just throws out obtuse bullshit like the above because he is a Sailer sycophant going through intense withdrawals.
And Sailer’s views about the Kovid scam were based on his own fear of dying, not the !Science!
Again more obfuscation from JBS. Every one without an agenda knew that of those who died from/with Kovid, comorbidities were something like 90%.
And lets not forget the (mis) categorization of deaths attributed to Kovid when in reality the deceased died from things like motorcycle crashes and drug overdoses.
That’s spectacular — but the actual reference is to ‘Schedule 1 offenses.’
Those included battery and ‘indecent exposure.’ Could that have included urinating in public?
My point is that it’s a little unclear if we’re talking about 30% of British males born in 1953 actually killing somebody — or merely being convicted of getting into a fight.
“Again more obfuscation from JBS.”
More like he’s on track with the truth.
“Every one without an agenda knew that of those who died from/with Kovid, comorbidities were something like 90%.”
First, you have your own agenda. Second, if you’re going to throw out statistics, provide the cite rather than get all emotional about it.
“And let’s not forget the (mis) categorization of deaths attributed to Kovid when in reality the deceased died from things like motorcycle crashes and drug overdoses.”
You mean your manufactured reality. Are you taking your cue from Mr. Anon?
“like the above because he is a Sailer sycophant going through intense withdrawals“
So why are you here? Oh, that’s right, you were one of several commenters he kept at bay because of their repeated low brow comments. Now that he is gone, you and others just open fire.
He’s a reverse barometer. I wouldn’t trust him to predict what direction the sun would come up tomorrow.
Everyone deserves access to white people.
Children are kept inside too much as it is. They need at least an hour and a half of outside time minimum to develop as people.
“but I guarantee I’ve USED IT more than he ever has.”
Evidence to support your claim?
“The problem I see is people “believing” in the Scientific Method who don’t necessarily use it and understand any science where it IS used, or is said to be used.”
This a great example of confirmation bias.
“Climate Calamity™ is based on conjecture, un-tested bogus math models, and politics.”
Says who?
“There is no way they could be biased”
Not in the way you have been led to believe.
What was that you were saying, you stupid a**hole?
The fathers were black?
He is barely half a fucking retard.
No. I really think the evidence will show that your sublimated hostility, as demonstrated by your hostile outburst to Currdog, is displaced anger at being denied sex by street alley male prostitutes. I might be wrong of course.
Who paid?
I think it’s Sailer’s lack of commentary on Jewish power in general that weakens his commentary. What’s the use in “noticing” trends if you ignore what’s often behind the trends?
There are far better choices for a guard dog or a watch dog than a feral, ghetto Pit Bull that was almost certainlybred by violent idiots.
A lot of the stuff must have been pretty minor though the 1970s in Britain was somewhat troubled.
A reasonable assumption.
“There are far better choices for a guard dog or a watch dog than a feral, ghetto Pit Bull that was almost certainlybred by violent idiots.”
I am not saying it is a good plan.
“No. I really think the evidence will show…”
You mean your manufactured evidence and confirmation bias? B—-, please.
“watch dog than a feral, ghetto Pit Bull that was almost certainlybred by violent idiots”
You mean violent white idiots. The foundation for pit bulls was laid in the British Isles with the crossing of Old English Bulldogs and terriers. These early “bull and terriers” were bred for blood sports, including bull-baiting and dog fighting.
“I think it’s Sailer’s lack of commentary on Jewish power in general”
You can’t be serious. He talks about that. Just not in the way you prefer.
Looks like 2 of the 3 are white fathers. Better than what your daughters produced. What, all five are lil’ niglets. You should be proud, papa.
https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/jemma-williams-14-left-t-jay-natasha-523894b
You got a prognosis for the date when we might be expecting that to happen?
I pick…2042. And I don’t think a fragmented Syria fought over by Israel, Turkey, and various Saudi-sponsored Sunni Jihadis is the route to that happy day.
Had the various concerned players actually had any interest in Syria’s happiness, I would guess a carrot-and-stick approach to Assad’s dictatorship might have been more useful. After all, the rather gruesome tidying up process that is usually a prequel to building a modern, ethnically homogenous state has yet to be completed in Syria. It’s not easy to say what would be best.
…but I know what’s going on now ain’t it.
“My 69th birthday is this weekend”
Well then happy birthday mate! Ad multos annos!
“the most listened to song on jukeboxes the day I was born was “Heartbreak Hotel” by Elvis Presley.”
Elvis was, among other things, a jolly good sport. One of my favorite clips of him is on the old Steve Allen version of the Tonight Show, where Steve sits him opposite an actual hound dog, and Elvis in perfectly game good form, serenades the dog: You ain’t nuthin’ but a hound-dog! It was a hoot.
One of my scariest memories as a kid was the death of Elvis: I was around 12, and I just thought he was some random famous old guy from black and white TV, I didn’t know how much he meant to people from an older generation.
Back then I used to have a paper route, went out before sunrise, delivering by hand the NY Daily News in apartment buildings. I would just sort of plop the paper on everyone’s doorstep, then move on to the next one without thinking.
The morning that Elvis died, the Daily News headline was in huge letters ELVIS PRESLEY DEAD AT 44. I dutifully plopped the paper down on everyone’s mat, but what I heard behind me as I went along was people opening their front door, looking at the headline, and *screaming* in horror. It was just one scream after another: I had no idea this guy had been so important. This long line of horrified screams, door after door behind me, corridor after corridor, building after building… it was just seared into me, ever since.
Well, that’s it. Like so many sociological statistics, the significance is obscure.
Like, if I discover that there were very few reported Corona Virus deaths in Afghanistan, does this demonstrate that masking women works — or that the collection of public health statistics in Afghanistan is spotty at best?
So did we used to have more rigorous policing in Britain — and a working class population that didn’t particularly care if an offense went on their record? Or did we really have a more crime-prone population?
If there are no drunk driving convictions in Japan, and no drunk driving convictions in Upper Volta, does this demonstrate the two countries have a lot in common? Or does it demonstrate that while Japanese are very law-abiding, there’s no law enforcement at all in Upper Volta?
I mean, I’m open. But I’m hesitant to skip blithely from ‘30% of all British males born in 1953 having a class 1 conviction’ to ‘the British used to be violent criminals.’ Meh. I was there as a nine-year old in 1967 — and running around unsupervised with my seven year old brother in some decidedly working-class milieus (those penny arcades were great). It didn’t seem too dangerous.
? That’s decidedly abusive — but how you could possibly have any basis for the remark escapes me.
You’re descending to the level of the chimpanzee in the zoo who flings feces at the onlookers.
“Some of those were people dying with Covid rather than from Covid. …”
Those weren’t actual deaths. 800,000 is the result of applying your .3% death rate to 270 million people. Leading me to question your assertion that “… Covid was only dangerous to old people. …”.
In reality it appears that fewer than 200,000 people less than 60 years old died from Covid in the US. See here . So perhaps vaccines helped. Or the virus mutated to a less lethal form.
You think people can’t recognize frustrated homo hostility when they encounter it?
“The problem I see is people “believing” in the Scientific Method who don’t necessarily use it and understand any science where it IS used, or is said to be used. I mean, for crying out loud, the guy still isn’t sure that the Climate Calamity™ is based on conjecture, un-tested bogus math models, and politics. (OK, he understands the latter.) To fall for that is to prove to the world that one definitely does not understand the Scientific Method.”
Climate alarmism does have a scientific basis. Simple models (based on well established physical principles) predict that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will produce surface warming. The observed amount of warming is in rough agreement with these predictions. So it is reasonable to predict that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will continue to produce surface warming. Of course the alarmists tend to exaggerate what is well established science. And they use it to advocate for policy positions they support for other reasons.
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“* If it doesn’t start at the root with Newton’s Laws, the 1st Law of Thermo., or some Maxwell equaton, it’s probably not science or engineering. If any one of those theorems were to be disproven, the world would have to fall apart at that moment – bridges would fall, boilers would expode, and planes would fall out of the sky.”
Well Newton’s laws have been shown to be slightly incorrect. But the world hasn’t fallen apart because the difference between Newton’s theory and Einstein’s theory makes no practical difference in most cases.
Yes, I understood that the 800,000 you came up with was applying the .3% death rate to all people under 60 rather than the subset of people under 60 who caught Covid but did not bother pointing that out. I was trying to make a comment without turning it into a lengthy essay since writing essays was not my idea of a fun 69th birthday. Whatever the actual death rate was, the statements I made were still applicable. Just looking at official death rates is misleading.
Different sources provide different figures. The Statista website has 280 thousand deaths for those under 65 and 850 thousand deaths for those over 65, totaling 1.13 million as of June 2023. Most deaths occurred before then. The average death was around 77. The 77 year olds who were dying were not typical 77 year olds but instead the segment of that age group who were in the poorest health and would have died in a year or two anyway.
So, in order to give old sick Boomers another year or two of life we locked down the economy and tried to mandate vaccines that in reality did not even stop disease transmission. There have been years where almost as many old people died during flu epidemics but we did not react the same way. Our Covid response was outside past norms.
Some scientists realized this and came up with the Great Barrington Declaration, which outlined a more traditional approach. One of the writers of that, Stanford professor Jay Bhattacharya, now heads the NIH. Another writer involved, Harvard professor Martin Kulldorff, is now on the CDC vaccine advisory panel. Many people now realize we should have followed the approach of the GBD rather than the hysterical reaction we engaged in. Both Sweden and Florida, adjusted for age distribution, came closest to applying the principles of the GBD, did not have lengthy lockdowns, did not have higher than average death rates and ended up avoiding many of the negative effects of the lockdowns.
Anyway, leaving your gratuitous and utterly unfounded if clumsy personal abuse aside, no, I disagree that 2 0ut of 3 is okay.
Miscegenation really does need to be prevented. Given a clearly black population, and a clearly white population, a reasonably humane solution to our racial dilemma is achievable.
The more muddled the two though, the more insoluble the problem becomes.
I mean, I’m a nice guy. I don’t think a black should be lynched for talking to a white woman. He should at least have touched her before a response is justified.
Just about.
On the other hand, there are three points that continue to impress me.
1. Things really are getting warmer, and in geological terms, getting warmer very quickly. That last is actually much of the problem. If the transition is gradual, the ill-effects aren’t nearly as marked; a thousand years, and tree lines move. Species distribution shifts. A hundred years, and there are massive fires, etc.
2. That the unprecedented level of human activity could have caused this is at least plausible. Deforestation, burning coal, etc — eight billion people have quite an impact.
3. The attraction of denying global warming is obvious: if it’s not happening, then we need do nothing.
“Miscegenation really does need to be prevented.”
How? By law? Through intense social pressure by whites? You might as well try to sell to people a solar powered flashlight.
“Given a clearly black population, and a clearly white population, a reasonably humane solution to our racial dilemma is achievable.”
Reasonable according to who? Certainly not to Christians. Besides, you assume that racial mixing is inhumane.
“The more muddled the two though, the more insoluble the problem becomes.”
Another assumption on your part.
“He should at least have touched her before a response is justified.”
I know you’re clowning here.
By the way, I noticed you didn’t reply to my post #1201, wherein yet another of your specious assertions was proved wrong. You ask others for evidence for their contentions, and yet you offer none for yours. Why is that, you sniveling little piece of crap?
Are they though? There is a certainly a concerted effort to get people to believe that. But is it true?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/27/concerns-mount-as-met-office-fiddles-with-historic-temperature-record-in-exact-way-planned-in-leaked-climategate-emails/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/09/22/the-weather-channels-absurd-hot-propaganda/
Compare these two weather maps (from the previous link cited) from a German weather broadcast:

One is from 2017; the other from 2022. Same day of the year – approximately the summer solstice. Notice the temperatures. Now, notice the color scheme. What is the purpose of that? Isn’t it just possible that things like this are intended to influence people subliminally?
That .3% is high for most of the under 60 group. Let’s look at the official numbers. Note that these are deaths WITH Covid, not OF Covid. That is a separate conversation. The data is extracted from Table 1 2020-2023 All Deaths involving Covid-19 for All Sexes.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
0-17 years: 1,696
18-29 years: 7,030
30-39 years: 19,886
40-49 years: 46,260
50-64 years: 203,071
Should probably knock that last row down by over a third given we are discussing people under 60.
You are smart enough to understand the difference between an infection (or case) fatality rate and overall fatality rate, right? Why did you elide that distinction?
Worth noting the noticing was less selective earlier. Which I think underlies much of the current complaining. From 2008.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/joel-stein-asks-how-jewish-is-hollywood/
I think it is. When I was a kid in the San Francisco Bay Area, it would snow about every other year. It wouldn’t stick — except up in the hills — but it would snow. You could pretty much count on there being a day each winter when you could go up to the top of Mount Tamalpais and play in the snow. I can remember going backpacking up in the Desolation Wilderness in late June and having to turn around at about 7800 feet because there was still six feet of snow on the ground.
Now? Not so common. I’ve heard people in Kansas talking about how winter is so much more milder than it used to be, the line dividing tree species is retreating to higher altitudes, etc.
As far as I can see, it’s happening. It’d certainly be convenient if it wasn’t — but I think it is.
I’m not.
“That .3% is high for most of the under 60 group.”
Yes, I have seen that .3% figure and believed it to be true but looking at the actual numbers you provided and from some checking I just did it would be too high.
We will never know the exact percentages because we do not know how many people actually did get Covid so we can’t figure out what percentage of people who got Covid died. There were tests that showed whether you had Covid but not everyone took them and the tests were not accurate. When I became sick, the test they gave me showed I did not have Covid. They decided I had Covid based on my symptoms rather than the test and admitted me to the hospital on that basis. They treated me for Covid and I got better so I probably did have Covid. However, a couple weeks later my personal doctor said my x-rays showed no lung damage, untypical of a hospitalized Covid patient. So, it is not a 100% certainty I had it.
“That .3% is high for most of the under 60 group. …”
This was taken from Mark G’s post in which he claimed people under 60 had nothing to worry about given a .3% death rate.
“You are smart enough to understand the difference between an infection (or case) fatality rate and overall fatality rate, right? Why did you elide that distinction?”
Given no vaccine most people would eventually be infected. In fact some people would be infected more than once. So assuming everyone was infected seemed a reasonable approximation. But you can knock the number down by 10% or 15% if you want.
So you’re impressed by mythology. Good for you. I suggest reading some Homer or some Tolkien. It’s less expensive than taxing the white middle class into oblivion, which is the only solution you global warning loons can seem to come up with.
The UK HSA (Health Security Agency) was publishing statistics that showed that hospitalization and mortality rates for those who tested positive for Covid were nearly identical for the vaxxed and unvaxxed. At some point they stopped publishing the data because, as they rationalized, people were misinterpreting the data.
“he claimed people had nothing to worry about given a .3% death rate”
I was going by what I had read previously. If the percentage was actually less than that then maybe only one or two out of a thousand people under 60 died from Covid who got it. We will never know for sure since death counts may not be totally accurate and we do not know for sure what percentage of the population had Covid.
I have told you this before and I am going to tell you again that you like to pick out some minor point to argue about while ignoring the bigger picture. Yes, some people died from Covid. Most of them were old people in poor health who probably would have died in a year or two anyway. Exact numbers are not the most important issue here. Was our response to the epidemic appropriate? That was not a scientific question. It was a political question. The decision was influenced by the fact that this country has large numbers of old people and they made up a big voting bloc. The lockdowns had destructive economic, educational and psychological effects on young people. Even the vaccines were forced on young people primarily as a way to protect granny, even though there was never any real evidence they stopped disease transmission. It turned out they did not do so. Was it moral to sacrifice young people this way? Your evasiveness here just demonstrates you know it was not. You are an individual who is dishonest and of low moral character.
Well, actually this particular loon’s plan is something along the lines of the following.
1. Start moving freight back onto trains, which are more energy efficient than trucks anyway.
2. Start electrifying the trains, because…
3. Most electricity is going to start being generated with nuclear power plants.
After that, for fun, we can encourage train travel and electric cars. In some places, like Hawaii, it’s a no-brainer. You couldn’t exhaust the battery on an electric car unless you deliberately started doing laps around the Big Island — and you can literally go year round with solar panels there.
I did. No problem.
Of course I agree with most of the comment, but I fail to understand why what Steve thought matters? I like Steve, agreed with him on most issues, with some I disagreed & many I found incomprehensible/uninteresting.
And?
We have posters that are still clearly upset over Steve disagreeing with them on COVID and especially the vaccines. They will bring it up randomly as if they still suffer PTSD from having an intelligent person reach a different conclusion.
It’s an ongoing topic and they still suggest that he was bribed, out of his mind, was being Jewish, etc.
I haven’t agreed with Steve on everything and I can accept that. I don’t sit around wondering if he is part of a conspiracy. The more likely answer is that someone on the internet disagrees with me and is not a paid agent.
There was also a huge backlash when Ron Unz did not take the anti-vaxxer side. We had posters suggesting that a new website be created. Anti-vaxxers are very tribal and wanted Unz to be “their place” where none of their assumptions are questioned. They wanted to come here and high five each other without any pesky dissenting opinions. So they wanted the conformity of the MSM but smaller scale and with different values.
Mike Tre per usual made a wild generalization in which all or most Covid deaths were mislabeled. They’re not. And then you have the audacity to link to a mainstream media site, which you’ve said you don’t trust such sites. Finally, buried in the lede is “The department issued a statement explaining how COVID-19 deaths are determined, which noted: “COVID-19 is listed as the immediate or underlying cause of death, or listed as one of the significant conditions contributing to death. Or, if there is a confirmed COVID-19 infection from a lab test — and, the cause of death doesn’t meet exclusion criteria, like trauma, suicide, homicide, overdose, motorcycle accident, etc.”
I haven’t agreed with Steve on everything and I can accept that. I don’t sit around wondering if he is part of a conspiracy. The more likely answer is that someone on the internet disagrees with me and is not a paid agent.
David Cole describes the MAGA mindset the same way.
“I’m not.”
Of course you’re clowning here.
You first said “I don’t think a black should be lynched for talking to a white woman”.
Right, because that is insane for someone who would agree or support such a thing.
Then you said “He should at least have touched her before a response is justified.”
So the response you imply is that lynching is justified. You don’t give any context here. You just indicate it is. End of story.
That’s why I said you are clowning.
“3. The attraction of denying global warming is obvious: if it’s not happening, then we need do nothing.”
This is a good point. It isn’t just lefties who like to deny facts they find unwelcome.
“This was taken from Mark G’s post in which he claimed people under 60 had nothing to worry about given a .3% death rate. ”
My Question to DDG AI assist:
How many people under 20 years old died FROM covid-19?
Answer:
As of recent data, there have been approximately 283 COVID-19 deaths among individuals aged 15-24 years in the U.S. during the pandemic. For younger age groups, such as infants and children aged 1-14, the numbers are significantly lower, with a few dozen deaths reported.
283 deaths out of over what? 100 million people in that age group? I’ll let you ask AI how many of those 283 deaths had comorbidities like asthma or some other immune deficiency.
Guess what Shearvinus, healthy people in any age group had nothing to worry about. You’re a damned liar and or fool.
My girlfriend figured that about a third of her patients whose final cause of death was listed as Covid did die of Covid. Of course, they had a financial incentive to identify them all as such.
From Brave AI:
US Hospitals COVID Payments
The U.S. government implemented financial incentives for hospitals treating COVID-19 patients. Hospitals received payments for conducting mandatory PCR tests, diagnosing patients with COVID-19, admitting them, and using specific treatments like remdesivir, which came with a 20% bonus payment from Medicare. Additional incentives were provided if a patient required mechanical ventilation or if the cause of death was listed as COVID-19. These incentives were part of the CARES Act and were intended to support hospitals during the pandemic.
However, critics argue that these financial incentives may have influenced medical decisions and patient outcomes.
You do know that current locomotives are diesel electric is the diesel engine powers the generator that supplies current to the trucks (wheel assembly). How big of a battery do you think you would need to power a standard locomotive?
Global warming/climate change? Sure, the planet’s weather moves in cycles.
Anthropogenic global warming? I need more convincing.
Not bad ideas, but given the way China and India are pumping out greenhouse gases, not sufficient.
You might be interested in Quico Toro’s posts about CO2 sequestration.
https://www.onepercentbrighter.com/p/are-real-climate-solution-just-too
https://www.onepercentbrighter.com/archive?sort=new
What things are getting warmer? Things can mean the ocean temperature in the western north Atlantic, average station temperatures in the US South, the whole troposphere, what? “Things” can mean nothing at all.
1) I respectfully urge you to watch the following video by one Tony Heller, who, as a humorous aside, has a resemblance both in voice and face to The Office‘s Toby Flenderson. It’s only 12 minutes. He shows how alarmists pick and choose their time domains – x-axes – of their linear best-fit graphs of various climate phenomena in order to make whatever trend they want look alarming.
What Mr. Heller’s “gift” is, is (going to be) a piece of software that does an optimization based on time domain in years to make each graph look as scary as possible:
See commentary on this great expose video in 2 Peak Stupidity posts:
Toby Heller’s gift to Climate Alarmists: Best Fit Linear Regression – Part 1
Tony Flenderson’s gift to Climate Alarmists: Best Fit Linear Regression – Part 2
2 things about the post titles:
1) I was having fun conflating the hated HR-guy character in The Office with this geologist (IIRC).
2) My title sounds redundant, as “linear regression” is basically “best fit”, unless we want a higher-order polynomial. However, I was referring to Mr. Heller’s proposed gift to the alarmists, a best-fit line that is a best, as in a curve with the scariest slope, whether up or down, so a best best-fit line.
Also, that 1st post has the linear regression math that I learned many, many years ago. It was simple then, but it took me a while to get back into it. Then, doing derivatives and then solving 2 simultaneous equations is kid stuff, except for when I see those summation (cap Sigma) signs. They scare me much more than any kind of warming planet!
Enjoy, Colin.
I’d heard that Cole went off the deep end. The above substantiates that claim.
2) Yes, human activity can have some impact on various aspects of the climate, not to mention huge impact with REAL pollution, as, for some nasty ACTUAL pollutants, it doesn’t take that much. However, as I’ll address James Shearer with, there is absolutely no working mathematical model of the entire earth’s climate modeling all processes involved.
So, yes, deforestation changes land cover and reduces CO2 absorption. (One does wonder why alarmists want to take down forests in Germany for the building of solar power arrays.). Burning coal emits actual pollutants, most of which get captured in the modern world, excepting China, which is excepted from all worries about the climate… for some reason. The actual heat output from man’s combustion is MINISCULE.
My point is that there are hundreds of processes, all occurring simultaneously and dependent on one another that may be understood to some degree by themselves, but the whole system is way too complex to have been modeled accurately. Precisely (with lots of scary moving yellow and red surfaces), YES, but accurately, NO!
3) Not really. I just don’t want to act stupid, is all, and I don’t want people who deign to rule me to act stupid. The stupidity of “well, we don’t know exactly what’s going on, but better safe than sorry” is attractive when you’re the type to want to control big sectors of the economy.
One more thing re your (3): What I do like to hear is the alarmists and their many warnings that, “If we don’t do THIS (or maybe THAT, we dunno) by 2015, it’s gonna be TOO LATE!” Well, Colin, many of these deadlines have passed. There goes another inconvenient truth, shot to hell by you procrastinating DENIERS, and … (do they ever say?), it’s TOO LATE NOW… baby, it’s too late…
I think these predictions are very convenient for me. If the deadline has passed, and it’s too late to fix anything, why don’t I go ahead and take that catalytic converter (not the same thing, I know, but it makes me feel good) out of my American sports car, since I gotta replace the exhaust* anyway, and why should I worry about “emitting” 20 metric shit-tonnes a day of the CO2? It’s too late to matter, right?** The Earth’s boiling, and there’s nothing we can do about it now.
How’s that attitude, Colin?
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* It didn’t help matters that there are granny drivers in my area – some of them 40 y/o guys in P/U trucks who drive like grannies. I waved one through the 4-way stop, and he took so long to move, that when I crossed I gunned it and blew a 2×3″ oval piece of my exhaust pipe out. Boom! I thought I hit a concrete block or something.
** Or do they have NEW models out that predict later deadlines? Why should I believe those ones?
His whole comment excerpted by Mr. Horace has me thinking that he’s gone off the deep end. I’d also given up on his columns a while back due to some serious stupidity contained therein. David Cole sucks.
Trains are electrified in Europe. Have been for around eighty years.

To be sure: the rest of the world is a problem.
But we could start, and we could at least ameliorate the problem, and I challenge you to show what part of my programme is prohibitively expensive.
I live in MAGA country. This bears no relationship to anything I have heard around here.
Yes and those are passenger trains not mile long freight trains, think of the infrastructure you would have to build to “electrify” freight trains across the American southwest.
Many were. There were clear financial incentives to broadly define “died of COVID”.
I don’t. That doesn’t mean they’re always wrong. It means one must………not necessarily trust them.
I know that subtle reasoning like that is beyond the ability of an ignoramous like you.
The dude in question didn’t die of COVID. It wasn’t even a contributing factor. He had tested positive, the result of which only came in post mortem. He obviously wasn’t at death’s door or even sick as evidenced by the fact that he was…………..riding a f**king motorcycle. He died because he ended up as a skidmark on the road.
I am not surprised that you bought into the COVID hysteria and still buy into it – even years after many other people who initially bought into it wised up. You are a remarkably stupid person. Bovinely stupid, in fact.
Right, simple models… of ONE process among hundreds of things involved in the energy balances of the earth. Not all are even KNOWN ABOUT, much less completely understood, much less part of a working model of the whole climate.
No. There are NO models that have predicted anything accurately. I don’t ask for the highs and lows in the Dakotas for July ’35 +/- 2 C or anything that specific. I just mean a model that shows changes such as a 5-year average temp over the northern N. American landmass 10 years from now vs. one from 10 back, BASED ON THE MODELS, and WITHOUT FUDGE FACTORS ADDED AFTER THE FACT! What about a change in ocean temperature in the central S. Pacific, also just general averages, as PREDICTED, that is AHEAD OF TIME, James.
There is NOTHING, nothing out there that can do that. I want to see papers out right now with lots of tables showing general predicted changes and then some comparisons made later, at the times from the models. I want to see something that beats The Farmer’s Almanac, James.
No, it’s not reasonable, and it’s not science.
At some point, you’ve got to let the mechanical engineers deal with these models. Stuff’s got to be RIGHT. First thing they’ll tell you is, “It’s gonna be a while till we understand enough to make a model, and that model will produce garbage the first couple of hundred times, until we understand MORE.”
Finally, that remark about people on the right finding The Climate Calamity™ unwelcome, as the ctrl-left does with, say, HBD, is something Steve Sailer wrote. I called him out for that stupidity, and I’d do that again. He does not understand the science of climatology one bit. Mr. Sailer should stay in his lane when it comes to this, as he comes across as an idiot saying that.
Look, I understand that most people of the Left and Right can’t understand all of science, and they don’t have time if they do. However, those on the right, such as the MAGA folks, are very good at detecting “Science” being used politically by the Left. Of course, those on the left see this, but that’s their whole point. The idiots in the middle, well, they’ve got no sense for detecting when they are being played, and they don’t know enough science to be convinced they are.
Watch that video, for starters. It’s only 12 minutes long.
Your memory is not so keen, to be generous.
Commenters were not upset so much that Mr. Sailer disagreed on the Kung Flu. We were upset because he had temporarily become a Totalitarian, and who knows when that might happen again? Everything he wrote for about 2-3 months was “WE ought to try this.”, “WE ought to do this.” “This ought to be mandated for US.” How about YOU do whatever TH you want, Mr. Sailer, and WE do whatever WE want?
No, the backlash was not about Mr. Unz not taking the anti-vaxxer side. The backlash was against his calling anyone who was against MANDATORY vaccinations or anyone who just thought the vax was unhealthful (to put it mildly), though the latter were not against anyone else taking it, “anti-vaxxers”. He’d also stop them from commenting O/T on this, when other O/T subjects were fine. Ron Unz had a serious bug up his ass, I think because he’s sorry he took the vaccine himself.
Your memory is fading, J.J. You should ask for advice from Doctor Jill.
Alarmism has a scientific basis?
The actual Earth’s actual climate is not actually described by a simple model. There are numerous interactions and feedback effects, some of which are not well understood, some of which are perhaps not even known.
Eventually. Some models were back-corrected to predict observed warming. One of the first climate models – a damned near perfect one, we were assured at the time – was James Hansen’s model from the late 1980s, which predicted temperature rises over the subsequent 20 years, up through 2008. This was the model that in large measure got the whole global warming thing started. Al Gore invited him to testify before Congress in 1988. That model proved to be completely wrong.
None it seems too expensive. But check the link that I sent about ocean fertilization with iron. It looks as if it could be an easy stopgap solution until carbon emissions can be reduced. I am unsure about global warming and distrust anyone who is too sure about it. One reason that I do not trust the “warmers” is that they ignore solutions such as nuclear energy as they don’t match their agenda for changing society.
Above from David Cole.
I live in MAGA country. This bears no relationship to anything I have heard around here.
It does sound a lot like some of the posters here though.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkk4hr49yi8581.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2cab00a8b9fa129be5308f8ed3051ad7466dc49e
From your David Cole quote:
https://bestservedcole.substack.com/p/frownie-brownies-and-attackie-blackies
Cole is wrong, of course. Dems did (and do) enthusiastically go all in on trannies, BLM, and open borders, including the top-level candidates for national office (Biden, Harris). Both parties are now ‘extreme’ package deals (as seen from the opposition).
On living in “Mexican” Los Angeles, here’s Cole’s wisdom (from the comments to your cited article):
Since he’s Jewish and apparently has TDS, to him living in temporary First World comfortable conditions with a burgeoning Third World underclass is preferable to being under the rule of MAGA Cossacks, or whatever is in his nightmares. Many such cases.
Wow, you’re bringing back Heller into the conversation?
https://science.feedback.org/review/hosted-by-former-australian-senator-tony-heller-repeats-false-claim-that-scientists-fake-the-warming-trend/
Furthermore…
https://www.foxnews.com/us/skeptic-finds-he-now-agrees-global-warming-is-real
A prominent physicist and skeptic of global warming spent two years trying to find out if mainstream climate scientists were wrong. In the end, he determined they were right: Temperatures really are rising rapidly.
The study of the world’s surface temperatures by Richard Muller was partially bankrolled by a foundation connected to global warming deniers. He pursued long-held skeptic theories in analyzing the data. He was spurred to action because of “Climategate,” a British scandal involving hacked emails of scientists.
“We were upset because he (Mr. Sailer) had temporarily become a Totalitarian”
Says who? By what metrics?
Still on with this lie, are you? Yes, some people question whether HIV causes AIDS. They don’t deny that HIV exists. And the fact that you can see it with an electron microscope is irrelevant. You can see lots of things with an electron microscope that none-the-less are not the causative agent of a disease.
No we have posters that maintain that COVID/viruses don’t exist and thus deny electron microscopes.
That position is less offensive to anti-vaxxers than simply stating that you support the vaccines.
I did’t imagine reality denying anti-vaxxers.
Here you go:
obwandiyag
Covid does not exist. When I see the death carts, I’ll become a believer. And not until.
https://www.unz.com/article/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv/#comment-7120104
M Phillips
The link below argues that no viruses have been proven to exist. An image of a particle in tissue captured by an electron micrograph is not proof
M Phillips denies that viruses exist in multiple threads.
How could it be? Nobody has ever seen a virus in a body at work.
Only images of particles in a density gradient taken by electron microscopes that are claimed to be a “virus”.
https://www.unz.com/runz/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-the-hiv-aids-hoax/?showcomments#comment-6877488
Maybe next time ask for a source instead of calling me liar.
There were in fact 2-3 other posters during COVID that denied it existed as a virus even though the RNA was fully mapped:
https://news.mit.edu/2021/map-sars-cov-2-genome-0511
Anti-vaxxers never took issue with them which shows their movement is emotionally driven. You can reject the COVID vaccine for completely irrational reasons and you will be accepted.
Well isn’t that special a freight train in India and I suppose you want the taxpayers to find the infrastructure for your pipe dream. Look you’re a true believer I’m a sceptic so let’s just drop it.
Folks here may have heard of the technique called “steel manning.” (responding to the strongest possible version of an argument)
https://umbrex.com/resources/tools-for-thinking/what-is-steelmanning/
One contrast would be straw manning (responding to an argument which was not made).
Perhaps we should call John Johnson’s technique “tissue paper manning.” (responding to the weakest possible version of an argument)
In this case, if you are quoting obwandiyag as a commenter worth paying attention to you may have an existence proof, but your overall point is laughable.
I’d be careful about using words like “never” since you have demonstrated how easy existence proofs can be. A better way to look at the non-responsiveness to those views is one might assume most people aren’t idiots so it is better to spend time refuting semi-plausible comments.
P.S. “numerous” is a long way from two in my book. I’d call going from “numerous” to an existence proof a great example of motte and bailey.
Thanks, G.A. I already had a post in mind about mowing my own lawn, and the changes I’ve seen over the years in D.I.Y. (a big area, but I’ll confine myself to house landscaping). I’ll have to include this David Cole article as an example of young(er) people who don’t know any better. That’s being nice, as your take is probably more accurate.
Shit, 90s? That’s Los Angeles – the dew point is what, 60F? OK, I just checked, and at 10A this morning, LAX shows 21/15, so dew point is 59F. Temp will go up, but there’s no reason for the dew point to unless more moisture comes into that air.
I just went out and mowed the lawn, not because of your comment with the David Cole excerpt, but because I’ve been meaning to for a few days. It’s only a small lawn – 25 minutes to do it, but let’s see, high 80s and D.P. is about 75F. No problemo, but if you don’t hear from me…
Oh, and I’m using the same American-made mower with the B&S engine I bought in 1992. It… well… I MAY need to start shopping around…
“Look, I understand that most people of the Left and Right can’t understand all of science, and they don’t have time if they do.”
This is your coping mechanism.
“However, those on the right, such as the MAGA folks, are very good at detecting “Science” being used politically by the Left.”
By way of confirmation bias on your part.
“The idiots in the middle, well, they’ve got no sense for detecting when they are being played, and they don’t know enough science to be convinced they are.”
What a horrific mischaracterization on your part. Do you and Greta compare notes? These “idiots” are white people, smarter than you think, and have way more of an understanding of the science than you dare to admit.
In this case, if you are quoting obwandiyag as a commenter worth paying attention to you may have an existence proof, but your overall point is laughable.
I cited two posters and Mr. Anon was clearly wrong in his claim that I was lying.
We have posters that deny viruses exist. I cited them. They are anti-vaxxers.
P.S. “numerous” is a long way from two in my book. I’d call going from “numerous” to an existence proof a great example of motte and bailey.
Oh ok that changes everything. I went from being called a liar and now I need to go search through old threads and source every single one of them? So I can use the word numerous?
Mr. Anon was wrong and the record shows I did not imagine virus deniers at Unz.
Cry all you want but I was right. I don’t have create the existence of lunatics in my imagination. During COVID this place was flooded with them. I had multiple anti-vaxxers that didn’t want to talk about electron microscopes. They found such talk to be intrusive against their delusions. They didn’t want to talk about machines that you can purchase. I also had anti-vaxxers claim that 10s of thousands of scientists were all lying about contributing to RNA databases. All of them lying about mapping COVID and its mutations.
Look, I understand that most people of the Left and Right can’t understand all of science, and they don’t have time if they do. However, those on the right, such as the MAGA folks, are very good at detecting “Science” being used politically by the Left.
Not convinced.
MAGA folks still can’t detect that their orange messiah is clueless about Econ 101.
TRUMP: I’m passing tariffs. It’s gonna make the economy boom.
MAGA: It’s gonna be great. You must be a Democrat if you disagree. Get ready for a super duper economy. DEM-O-CRATS GON BE MAD!!!! DEY GONNA BE JEALOUS!!
(market drops)
TRUMP: Times will be tough but it will work out.
MAGA: There may be a drop in the economy but Trump is bringing back manufacturing. We have to get through it. You must be brainwashed by CNN if you are questioning him. You must hate America. Trump never said he would make the economy boom. Or maybe he did. But he is bringing back manufacturing and that will be even better.
TRUMP: The tariffs I said we needed have been reversed. I’m happy to announce that a deal has been reached.
MAGA: Weren’t the tariffs for manufacturing? This is really getting confusing. Can we just suck your c-ck and then you tell us what to say?
“1. Start moving freight back onto trains, which are more energy efficient than trucks anyway.”
Only if you choose to ignore all of the ancillary factors involved in rail transport that require energy that trucking doesn’t.
Why don’t we just return to moving freight by horse and wagon, since you seem determined to regress technologically.
Where does that electricity come from again? Oh that’s right, sources and mechanisms that require diesel fuel to mine, extract, assemble, and transport.
You are completely clueless about what is actually sensible to move by rail and what isn’t, and that the rail vs truck debate doesn’t even go far enough upstream to solve the problem.
“I did. No problem. ”
LOL such cherry picked, short sighted nonsense, because Hawaii really represents the rest of the world. Still need petroleum to build and charge the batteries. Solar panels have some specific beneficial uses, but they are still made from petroleum.
“I don’t have to create the existence of lunatics in my imagination. During Covid this place was flooded with them.”
Are you talking about HA and how he would tell people the reason they didn’t get the Covid vaccine was because they were scared of needles and would start typing in all caps if someone disagreed with him on something? I always considered the surest sign I was dealing with a lunatic here was that they would start typing in all caps like they are yelling on the internet.
I guess we can assume he’s never bailed hay either?
I don’t think anything tops the crazy of denying a technology that has been around for years and has even captured HIV infecting a cell:
In the most recent HIV thread we had posters theorizing on how HIV doesn’t exist as a virus or doesn’t infect cells. Harmless I guess.
You see fags were just using a lot of poppers and developed poor immune systems.
Straight junkies somehow didn’t die off in droves. Women I guess did very few poppers.
The key to not getting HIV is to not do poppers or be a woman. Has nothing to do with a virus that is easily transmitted by buttsecs.
Solid stuff. And they look to a liberal lawyer from Malibu for guidance.
When I want an expert in geology I call the local pizza guy. He has an e-book for sale on how the establishment is lying about the development of rock formations. It’s only $12. He doesn’t have an agenda like those bastards with degrees.
Markets go down and markets go up. Today was a record high for the S&P 500 and Nasdaq. Are you making money?
https://www.reuters.com/business/sp-500-nasdaq-futures-climb-record-highs-trade-optimism-2025-06-30/
https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/business/top-economist-says-trump-may-have-outsmarted-all-of-us-on-tariffs/
“Anti-vaxxers never took issue with them which shows their movement is emotionally driven.”
LOL who said this, Jeet Johnson? Gotta tell ya, I haven’t laughed out loud at that kind of oblivious projection in a while.
Let’s briefly break down who was driven by emotion between the mandatory / discretionary vax camps:
Who demanded everyone conform to their belief on the matter?
Which side threatened the other with things like loss of employment and even child custody?
Which side wanted jail time for the other side?
Which side denied access to all sorts of activities without the vax?
Which webzine owner deleted and banned comments/commenters for expressing facts and opinions contrary to his own?
Sp I’m sorry, tell me again, which side of this was driven by emotion?
Who demanded everyone conform to their belief on the matter?
Which side threatened the other with things like loss of employment and even child custody?
Support for the vaccines does not mean support for various mandates that a Democrat president proposed.
The largest proposed mandate was never enacted.
I didn’t support that mandate so I don’t know why would conflate that policy with support for the vaccines as good for public health.
The anti-vaxxers here were clearly the emotionally driven side. Most of the posts in the COVID threads were anti-vaxx and yet they were outraged by dissenting opinions.
I’ve never advocating censoring anyone nor did I accuse anti-vaxxers of working for RFK or another anti-vaxx group. I was however accused no less than 50 times of being a paid agent for pharmaceutical companies. They clearly wanted to believe that anyone not on their side must be a paid provocateur. It shows a lack of confidence when you are that threatened by minority opinion.
Which side wanted jail time for the other side?
Not sure what you mean here.
Which webzine owner deleted and banned comments/commenters for expressing facts and opinions contrary to his own?
Also not sure of this reference.
Alright, look, Mr. Johnson, this attempt at an analogy is flawed. Economics is NOT science, first of all.
In Econ 101, that Supply&Demand, Elasticity stuff is straightforward at least. It’s when government gets involved, in Econ 102, when we can see that most people, including Economists, don’t know what’s going on and can’t predict jack squat. This includes the Economics Professors too, the ones teaching Econ 102.
Secondly, most MAGA people know by now that Trump can be a wishy-washy bullshitter, and it’s best to see what actually happens rather than listen to the guy. (Some like it, but I don’t know how!) Still, we know that Trump is on the right track most of the time, if he’ll follow though (his biggest flaw as Trump-45).
Regarding the tariffs, indeed, given a long enough time – much longer than Trump’s patience or attention span – they will indeed help manufacturing ramp back up. With all his wishy-washyiness, you missed the point at the end there. The point is to make trade more fair.* If those tariffs threatened countries into making trade with us more fair, that’s a win, isn’t it, Mr. J?
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* It’s not fair, because for over half a century, Americans as a whole didn’t care enough, thinking we were this economic superpower, and then sole superpower, that was so strong that we could give away anything on a whim if we wanted, and we’d be just fine …
Oh for sure. They’re ideological fashionistas demonstrating how au courant they are with their professed sentiments. Witness the keying of Teslas if you have any doubt just how superficial their concern is. And God forbid nuclear power. It’s bad: Jane Fonda said so.
However, none of that demonstrates that global warming isn’t happening, or that we shouldn’t seriously address it.
As to iron in the sea, I’ll take your word for it — but more generally, no one ever seems to want to act to positively affect the balance. They just want Asian peasants to agree they should go back to walking seven miles to the market instead of using a motorbike. There’s nothing wrong with setting about doing more to cool the planet than we are doing to warm it.
…with eight billion people, we can give up on a pristine nature, unaffected by our presence. It’s much more a question of managing the environment intelligently.
This refers to a previous comment of yours but on generally the same subject.
That HIV/AIDS business was a big Ron Unz thing. He was big on RFK, Jr. because of that, not because the guy, as wacky lefto as he is on other subjects, would like to free up Americans from control by Government healthcare.
So, a couple of commenters that are into all that posted stuff under iSteve. That’s not any representation of the group of iSteve commenters.
So, go talk to Ron Unz and some of his commenters about this stuff. I’ve got no skin in the game because I don’t put it into another man’s ass… or mine for that matter…
Start moving freight back onto trains, which are more energy efficient than trucks anyway.
That already happens when gas prices go up. Trains are efficient in terms of weight/energy but they don’t take cargo directly where it needs to go. You add extra unloading/loading which adds time.
I support increasing train usage but it really wouldn’t do much.
Most US CO2 doesn’t come from vehicles.

No, I’m not a ‘true believer’ — and you’re a ‘skeptic’ because ‘skepticism’ allows you to assert we should do nothing.
An ostrich sticking its head in the sand is not a skeptic.
Now, is it your contention that India can electrify trains but it’s just beyond us? Or are you claiming it’s harder to hang the overhead wires than it was to lay the rail line in the first place?
David Cole seems like a very common type of Jew: he compulsively advances outrageous propositions in an attempt to get attention.
It’s tedious: it’s just intellectual competitiveness. It’s the student in the Yeshiva trying to impress the rabbi by being unorthodox. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
“Not sure what you mean here.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/19/coronavirus-south-texas-enforcement/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/violating-coronavirus-orders-trnd
I could put dozens of links here about people getting arrested during the epidemic. Did you sleep through all that or are you just playing dumb here?
There was a pretty big disparity during the epidemic, even extending up to the present day, between the amount of time you spent criticizing the anti-vaxxers versus the amount of time you spent criticizing the various forms of Covid authoritarianism. Maybe the anti-vaxxers might have been a little less harsh on you here if you had been a little more even handed with your criticisms during the epidemic. You might want to think about that. Oh, and you weren’t the only person to suffer through insults, personal attacks and verbal abuse during the epidemic. The pro-vaxxers were capable of that too. You just didn’t see as much of it here because they were in the minority here.
That HIV/AIDS business was a big Ron Unz thing. He was big on RFK, Jr. because of that, not because the guy, as wacky lefto as he is on other subjects, would like to free up Americans from control by Government healthcare.
Ron can speak for himself and I don’t always agree with him.
HIV as not existing or caused by poppers was floated by many posters here and yes I am aware of the origin.
I’ve also had anti-vaxxers claim that the smallpox vaccine doesn’t work.
I have also been told that the MMR is harmful and amusingly their liberal lawyer hero reversed his position on that one.
RFK now supports the MMR vaccine. It only took him around 20 years to accept that it actually works.
So, a couple of commenters that are into all that posted stuff under iSteve. That’s not any representation of the group of iSteve commenters.
I was not referring to a couple of commenters at Steve’s blog.
We had dozens of anti-vaxxers during COVID that could not tolerate dissenting views and were angry at both Steve and Ron for not taking their position. They were hostile to anything less than total conformity even though they were a majority of posters.
Well, yeah, total conformity… to the idea that people shouldn’t be forced to get medical treatment they don’t want. I’m a conformist in that sense.
Hope that helps … Good night.
Agree completely. Too many people think that they have disproved an argument by showing that those who support it are hypocrites, dishonest or unpleasant.
Again agree. But please read the links that I sent you earlier. He claims that sequestering CO2 can be done easily and that the side effects will include restoring barren areas of the ocean so that they can yield more fish. It is not my word, I have read the articles, they sound as if they make sense but I would welcome an intelligent second opinion on them. The only voices that I have heard against them are from those who want Asian peasants to walk.
Very Jewish and when he is at his best very funny. His criticisms of the more extreme MAGAs is spot on.
“Right, simple models… of ONE process among hundreds of things involved in the energy balances of the earth. Not all are even KNOWN ABOUT, much less completely understood, much less part of a working model of the whole climate.”
All models are simplifications of reality. Nevertheless they can be useful. I will describe the sort of simple model that predicts warming.
First objects radiate away heat energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation. The hotter they are the more heat they radiate away. Furthermore as they get hotter they radiate more at shorter wavelengths. So for example a heated iron bar will change color from red to white as it gets hotter and radiates proportionately more at shorter wavelengths.
Second in equilibrium the earth will radiate away as much energy as it is receiving as incoming radiation, almost all from the sun. Some of the incoming radiation is reflected away immediately and doesn’t heat the earth. The rest heats the earth to the point at which the outgoing radiation matches this solar heating.
Third the greenhouse effect (misnamed because in reality greenhouses mostly work by preventing convection) means the surface of the earth is warmer than it would otherwise be. This is because the sun is hotter than the earth and so the incoming radiation has a shorter wavelength distribution than the outgoing radiation. The atmosphere is more transparent to this shortwave radiation than to the outgoing longwave radiation. Some of the outgoing radiation is absorbed by the atmosphere and then reradiated downward back to the earth. So the surface temperature increases which increases the amount of outgoing radiation until enough gets through to keep things in balance.
Now suppose the sun got hotter. One would expect based on these simple considerations that this would result in a hotter earth. And one could roughly estimate how much. Similarly adding CO2 to the atmosphere will block some of the outgoing radiation that is now escaping to space. One can fairly precisely calculate how much (assuming nothing else changes) and estimate how much warming would be needed to compensate. Of course other things will change. There are lots of potential feedback loops that could increase or decrease the expected amount of warming. Nevertheless the observed warming to date roughly matches the simple model prediction. Which suggests to me that continued warming is the way to bet.
An additional point. If you just consider radiation the surface of the earth is predicted to be hotter than it actually is. This is because if the temperature gradient (that is the amount the temperature decreases as you move up in the atmosphere) becomes too large convection will start. This is because sometimes parcels of air near the surface will become hotter than the neighboring air. Because they are hotter they will expand and become less dense. This will cause the parcel to rise. As it rises the surrounding air pressure will decrease causing it to expand and cool. But if the temperature gradient is too high it will still be warmer and less dense than the neighboring air so it will continue to rise. So the atmosphere becomes unstable and convection will start cooling the surface until the gradient is reduced to the point where stability is restored. Greenhouses mostly work by preventing this convection cooling.
Jeez you just won’t let it go. I’m saying the infrastructure cost to convert to all electric is cost prohibited and the taxpayers don’t need to foot the bill. I may have my head in the sand but at least it ain’t up my ass.
Yes, you were lying. You said “numerous”. Does “two” constitute “numerous”? There may be a few others. Fine. Let’s say three times as many. Does “six” constitute “numerous”?
We have posters that deny viruses exist. I cited them. They are anti-vaxxers.
No, I was not wrong. And clearly you did imagine a whole horde of “virus deniers” at Unz.
I agree. There were people like “HA”, and perhaps you too (I don’t keep track of what you say, because you generally never say anything that is either interesting or right). People who thought that a rational response to a rather garden-variety pandemic was to put the entire World under house-arrest, up-end all of society, and pretend that this virus had hitherto unseen and unimagined powers (It is not subject to natural immunity! It causes Kawasaki’s disease! Brain Fog!) – those people did indeed act like lunatics.
Talk all you want about electron microscopes. The fact remains that people like you – including you yourself – deliberately propagate the lie that everyone who opposed you is an “anti-vaxxer”, when what most of them are was “anti-coercers”.
Well, yeah, total conformity… to the idea that people shouldn’t be forced to get medical treatment they don’t want. I’m a conformist in that sense.
That’s like conflating support for electric cars with California style mandates.
I have not seen any posters here support Democrat style mandates let alone rage over dissenting views. However I can cite anti-vaxxers that were outraged over Steve and Ron not agreeing with them.
Trump is a supporter of the vaccines and had a massive part in developing them. That doesn’t mean he supports forcing anyone to get one.
The anti-vaxxers do not support letting people choose on their own.
They were against the COVID vaccines before Biden became president. They did not want the vaccines to be released to the public. I was in fact scolded here for getting early access.
The anti-vaxxers were against the vaccine before it had been tested. The most commonly cited reason was MRNA spookiness and yet they didn’t endorse the traditional vaccine either. Their position has long been DEY ALL BAD and they can’t be honest about what is really an ideological/emotional opposition.
Oh, it was never enacted. Well, hey – no harm, no foul then. Let’s let bygones be bygones.
No, f**k that. Joe Biden and millions of his willing supporters wanted to fire everyone who refused to get a vaccine. Every last one of them. No, I am not going to just let that go with: “Hey, what are you complaining about, they didn’t get away with it.”
Because the public health establishment DID support it.
Dissenting opinions? There were the dissenting opinions. Clearly, it was the pro-panic side – your side – which was driven by hysteria. So people disagreed with you. Boo Hoo. Get over it, d**khead.
So, you are a dissembling little creep. Yes, you know damned well what he means. There were many who wanted to lock up the un-vaccinated in camps. Or essentially debar them from normal life. They said so openly. Even a few people here implied that (commenter “That Would be Telling”, for example).
And again you are dissembling.
If you don’t want to be taken for a liar, I would recommend that you stop lying.
Kathy Shaidle (bless her soul) always carped “MOW YOUR OWN LAWNS!” But one of the pleasures of being First World is to NOT have to do that
Why is mowing your lawn such a big deal? Most White people need more exercise instead of spending Saturday watching sportsball.
I am surrounded by Trump voting White guys and yet around 80% of them pay someone to mow their lawn. Mostly Mexicans.
The Mexicans are always leaving their landscaping ads at my house. As if I’m a White guy that hasn’t hired someone yet.
I also have a Republican relative who rants about illegals and then pays them to do his landscaping.
Scotland’s per capita murder rate has historically been higher than England’s, for reasons nobody quite seems to comprehend. Possibly the inheritance from the Scottish Highland raiders and blackmailers of the not so distant past, or Irish Tories and rapparees, whose descendants often emigrated to Scotland, especially Glasgow. Even so, it isn’t anywhere near as violent as, say, East LA.
I’ll explain it to you again, although it’s probably pointless by now, given that you are obviously a rather stupid person:
Peter Duesberg never said that there aren’t retro-viruses (in fact he helped discover them). He pointed out that many known retro-viruses appear to be harmless. He never said that there wasn’t an “HIV” virus that infects cells. He claimed that said virus was not the proximate cause of AIDS. So the fact that you can image a virus infecting a cell is irrelevant to assessing his claims. I can take a picture of a car entering a parking garage; if the parking garage subsequently collapses it does not follow that the car caused it to happen.
He (Duesberg) may well be wrong. I have no opinion on the matter. But that’s what he claimed. You are not arguing with him; you are arguing with a bogus construct that you have fabricated in your (very limited) mind.
No, f**k that. Joe Biden and millions of his willing supporters wanted to fire everyone who refused to get a vaccine. Every last one of them. No, I am not going to just let that go with: “Hey, what are you complaining about, they didn’t get away with it.”
Oh ok so for you it was about Biden’s policies.
You were fine with the vaccines up until then?
Because the public health establishment DID support it.
I don’t think that was the case.
The were divides across many lines over Biden’s proposals.
But feel free to provide a source.
And again you are dissembling.
I was asking you to elaborate. I really don’t know what you are talking about.
You didn’t provide a name or a source.
Your last two comments were along the lines of “someone did something”.
Leaving aside the rest of your post, this much is hazy thinking. The problem isn’t making things from petroleum; it’s burning the stuff.
Obviously it does something to reduce fuel usage — else as a response to increased fuel prices it would be ineffectual.
But more to the point, this is only the first step in Plan Colin. Then you electrify the trains, and you you build nuclear power plants to generate the electricity — which does wonders for that whacking great chunk of CO2 generation your pie chart attributes to electricity generation, incidentally.
But the real point is right now people either (a) deny global warming is a consequence of human activity, (b) deny global warming is happening at all, 0r (c) virtue posture about it. Make everyone live so as to not affect the planet.
Not gonna happen — and why should it? I’m not going to walk four miles to the grocery store. Bite me.
How about if we face the problem and decide to do what will help most and hurt least? Freight moving on electrified trains instead of diesel trucks would be a start — the more so, as if trucks are relegated to short hauls, they could eventually be electrified as well. They can come back to that conveniently electrified freight yard and charge up over night.
It doesn’t let Jill College impress everyone with her Prius and recycling bins — but it will help.
DEY ALL BAD.
…but part of the problem is that the lies of the mainstream have become so obvious and so incessant. The Dancing Israelis who weren’t, Saddam Hussein and the weapons of mass destruction, the decidedly improbable account of Osama bin Laden’s assassination, the number of vagrants is not increasing, collusion with Russian interference in the 2016 election, Covid had a natural origin, Russia blew up its own pipeline, it was a Hamas rocket that killed over three hundred people, Biden didn’t let in any more illegals than anyone else.
The lies keep getting more incessant, more obvious, and more absurd. Half the time — when it’s too late — it’s admitted that they were lies.
So what’s a feller to do? Everyone has to roll their own. What do you think is true? Practically as a matter of principle, one has to simply disregard what anyone claims and rely above all on what you’ve actually seen, and what seems most likely to you. This, of course, leads to the woman ahead of you in the Walmart return line asserting that Angela Merkel was Hitler’s love child.
But whose fault is it that we’ve reached this pass?
I think that for a lot of people, the Corona Virus episode constituted a serious intellectual crisis.
Of course it’s cute to think the Holocaust really didn’t happen, or that Israel deliberately tried to sink the USS Liberty or whatever — but this leaves the general edifice of trust in authority intact.
But what if you’re forced to consider the possibility that all the doctors, the media, the government might be wrong, that you should decide they are? Not take the vaccine? Only wear a mask if someone makes you?
Then it’s not a matter of just posting something on the internet. Now you’ve got to walk the walk. Not only say ‘I don’t believe you’ but ‘I don’t believe you, I’m not going to do what you tell me, and I bet nothing bad happens.’
I mean, as a practical matter, we all trust in authority. I don’t experiment to see what will happen if I don’t prick the pie crust — it says prick the pie crust, so I do.
We have to. That’s how we get through life. I don’t experiment to see if 18 gauge wire really will be enough for the microwave; I use the wire gauge it says.
So striking out on your own; giving priority to your own perceptions and conclusions — that’s quite a step. Maybe not even a wise one.
But more and more, we’re being pushed to it.
I see acquiescing in the continued influx of aliens impoverished enough to do the work we don’t want to do as akin to living on your Visa Card.
Of course if you only make 5000 a month and want to spend 7000, you can keep using the credit card and enjoy your weekly fine dining experiences or whatever. Sure, you can send your kid to private school. Experience Tahiti. Whatever.
It’s just that eventually, you’ll find yourself with a crushing mountain of debt. Long term, your life will be degraded.
Ditto for letting in masses of foreigners. Yes, we can get an addition built cheaply and well — most of these people are fine workers. But in the end, we have a country that is more crowded, where we have less of a common culture, where in real terms, we are all poorer.
But more to the point, this is only the first step in Plan Colin. Then you electrify the trains, and you you build nuclear power plants to generate the electricity — which does wonders for that whacking great chunk of CO2 generation your pie chart attributes to electricity generation, incidentally.
Well most trains are already hybrids but I see where you are going with this and I’m not opposed to the idea in theory. I said years ago that we should build a dozen nuclear plants.
But practically it just isn’t a solution. Democrats don’t like nuclear power and Republicans don’t want the Federal government getting involved in power generation. Republicans will talk about nuclear power but when in office they don’t do anything. They believe in leaving it to the private market when nuclear power needs a massive Apollo type program. The end result is that more natural gas plants are built and both parties don’t really care. Our parties can’t even agree to upgrade existing plants.
How about if we face the problem and decide to do what will help most and hurt least?
I’m not the one you have to convince. I have been scolded by the right for suggesting we invest in clean energy. I have also been scolded by the left for not supporting grandiose plans that they didn’t think through. The climate debate is overly politicized. It really doesn’t change but feel free to add your suggestions as you at least seem to take your own path on it.
Why the • Troll tag, one might ask? Sorry, but this comes off as just plain wasting my time, especially at an odd hour.
Look, everything you wrote there, James, is just some simple basic principles of convection and radiation heat transfer, without the background math. That’s be like telling me that t=1/2at^2 so that feather will land on the ground same time as that bowling ball based on Newton’s 2nd law, so we should go to the Tower of Pisa with a stopwatch*. Oh, but there’s air drag. It goes as the square of speed, but there’s a drag coefficient involved and changes in air density and then there is wind.
So even THAT simple 1-D experiment might not match theory because the theory involves more than you first thought.
OK, now picture the whole energy balance of an Earth with 1/4 land mass of varying surfaces, 3/4 oceans with varying temperatures, with currents, and different evaporation and sublimation rates, that whole atmosphere thingy with varying layers (in both constitution and density, and often mixed to a degree) with radiation HT, convection HT, mass transfer, heat transfer from phase changes, with EVERY PROCESS involved needing to be COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD and already modeled (with said models tested by runs and subsequent observation).
Oh, wait, we didn’t account properly for sea ice albedo – Peak Stupidity Geophysical Research Letter – Sea Ice Albedo. I read this one. I noticed that rather than actually getting into the physical process as modeled by the actual mathematical equations based on the physics, all these guys do is re-fudge the fudge factors. #DisappointingPaper. Then, last year, it turned out that effect from water vapor in the atmosphere** was not properly taken into account. From The Science of Climate Modeling revisted:
An excerpt from the article explaining their former lack of knowledge, hence bogus modeling follows, but I wrote afterwards:
I’ve written a whole lot more on this. I don’t claim to have all the answers. What I claim is that I know that THEY don’t have, not just ALL the answers, but ANY of the answers.
Oh, wait, I forgot to mention internal energy generated in or at least transferred from the core of the Earth. Then too, solar radiation changes must be known accurately, right, as we can’t base the model on a constant solar influx if that’s not the case.
You tell me too, Mr. Shearer, if the coming and going of the Ice Ages might be a good thing to be incorporated into these models. We’d both agree “YES!”, but then is the cause of the Ice Ages precisely known. How about El Nino and La Nina? Yeah, small factors, I guess, but are they inputs to the models or outputs from the models? I mean, if we only know when El Nino is going on months into it (that’s what I heard last time it occurred, then I don’t think these models can predict much.
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* They probably won’t even let you do that anymore, as this world is full of lawyers and pussies.
** I’m not talking about water vapor’s bigger than CO2 greenhouse effect, which, BTW, nobody mentions much. H20 is one of the 2 actual products (not by-products) of perfect combustion. The H’s in the hydrocarbons combine with Oxygen to make water, while the C’s combine with O2 to make CO2.
But, Colin, HOW are people forced to consider …? That’s only the stupid (who we’ll always have among us) who are still – or did during the Kung Flu PanicFest – remain glued to the TV or incessantly look at their phones for more scary thematic maps, ALERTS!! from the governments, or Telegram/Tick-Tock/Facebook (Facebook, seriously?)/Tweets to help keep them feeling good and panicky.
You – not you personally – didn’t have to do that! My wife didn’t have to do that! (She got better, because I was conspicuously non-compliant and I wasn’t going to lie to her to save our marriage – it was the rockiest period I remember, for about 2-3 months).
The rest of us got our news from TUR (not kidding, till iSteve got me pissed for a coupla months), ZeroHedge, etc, and then talked to actual PEOPLE. Not all doctors agreed. Not even all governments agreed, as much as they had to gain from a PanicFest. You’d only know that if you think for yourself and also get out and talk to people. Regarding the former, I mean, when schools sent the kids home after NOBODY was hospitalized, I knew (mid-March of ’20) that this whole thing was bogus. We – lots of kids and a few parents – were out in the park for 2 hours a day throwing the frisbee and fighting with bamboo sticks in the sunshine. The Principal – NOT my PAL at this point – would have had to do a Sergeant Schultzie had she driven by: “I see nothink, nothink!”
I did. A lot of people did. I risked my job to some degree by treating the face masks as a joke, a fun practical joke. At the nearby grocery store – kind of upscale, so they are nice – they’d ask me, the only guy in there with no mask on, “Can I give you a mask?” “No thanks!” I said cheerfully and all appreciative-like as I walked on through the store. OTOH, I was not in California or NYC.
But, Colin, HOW are people forced to consider …? That’s only the stupid (who we’ll always have among us) who are still – or did during the Kung Flu PanicFest – remain glued to the TV or incessantly look at their phones for more scary thematic maps, ALERTS!!
I honestly think a lot of people got some type of panic pleasure from it.
It gave meaning to people that were bored in their routine.
My only regret was not getting the virus earlier.
It made traveling more relaxing once I had been bitten.
My friend was hit very early and became a daywalker. I was kind of jealous. The worst was to get it right before a trip. I knew a family that all got it on vacation and the airline said they had to drive home.
The case I had this year was the lightest so far. I couldn’t smell for two weeks but felt fine.
WHAT PROBLEM?! I’m sorry to say this, Colin, but you come across as one of the dupes.
(a) There have been no scientific (remember the science?) results proving this at all. Yes, lots of people fall under this category. They might know no science, but they have the common sense and memory to have witnessed WAY too many proven-false predictions, WAY too much hype, and WAY too much hypocrisy to think this is anything but a big hoax to gain control of large sectors of nations’ economies.
(b) Well, yeah, on your hand-picked time-scale – you really oughta watch that 12-min video – that might be the case. This is a problem in the same way that the Sun becoming a Red Giant in a few billion years is a problem. We ain’t gonna fix it, so just update your HVAC is all I can tell ya’.
(c) No, virtue signal if you’re a useful idiot, but if you’re one of the ones in charge of this hoax, you make money by fucking with the energy industry and you destroy nations this way, if that’s your thing. (It IS, if you’re a Globalist and/or Communist. The Climate Calamity™ hoax is a perfect pretext for you.)
We are being destroyed by the Population Replacement Programme, the debt holes we are in are YUGE, wars are being waged just for the sheer hell of it, and yet, that the Climate might be changing by some minor degree, not necessarily due to anything we’re doing, is this BIG PROBLEM we need to deal with? You’re being duped.
Don’t feel bad. Steve Sailer, a generally bright guy, sounds like he’s still being duped by this one to some degree. It’s important to him not to be seen as one of those low-brow people (who are onto this scam).
I linked to Colin’s website the masthead is a black family kind of weird maybe he can explain but as I posted earlier he’s a true believer so he’ll brook no dissent.
“There have been no scientific (remember the science?) results proving this at all.”
Says who?
“Yes, lots of people fall under this category. They might know no science, but they have the common sense”
The appeal to the common sense fallacy assumes that because a belief is widely held, it must be true, without needing further justification.
“ you really oughta watch that 12-min video”
The man has been discredited.
“you make money by fucking with the energy industry and you destroy nations this way”.
Again, says who?
I’m no psychologist, but I could see that.
I was never sure I actually had it, but the one time we all got sick of something, I had to go on a 4 hour flight anyway. Business is business, and the Kung Flu could go screw itself.
The one thing we were worried about was being able to go on a trip or two as a family without taking tests, shots, any of it. I asked someone who’d been to Egypt what the deal was. “They want to see a vaccine passport.” “Will photoshop work?” “Yeah, no problem.” (In the end, we weren’t able to go there for other reasons…)
What do you mean “fine with vaccines up until then”? I don’t give a s**t one way or the other if any other person gets a vaccine or not. It’s their business, not mine. What I do object to is that it was forced on us – forced on everyone, if they had gotten thier way. You had private companies colluding with the government to force their product (a product that the people largely paid for, by the way) on everyone. A perfect example of the fusion of state and corporate power. Mussolini had a word for that………….fascism.
I also object to the special treatment that vaccines and other “special measures” used during the pandemic recieve under law. You are not able to sue the manufacturer for harm. Congress passes a law and denies you the opportunity to sue for harm in an actual court – a right that is actually guaranteed by the Constitution. Instead you are shunted off to a kangaroo court, in which any judgements made (and there are usually few) are paid for, not by the party found to have caused the harm, but by the consumer through the excise tax on vaccines.
That isn’t the operation of a free and open market. It is the workings of crony-capitalist corruption.
You think wrong.
Here you go. The most important source there is, St. Anthony himself, the infallible little Tony, the nation’s chief public health lawn elf:
Now it’s your turn to try and argue that somehow whatever Anthony Fauci said on the matter is of no importance, him being a marginal figure and all.
oops, speaking of math, I didn’t solve for t. Time to hit the ground starting from 0 velocity = (2h/g)^1/2.
Re that “h”, how high is the top floor of the Leaning Tower of Pizza right now?
the weasel words of a corrupt bureaucrat. despite biden’s assurances that those who get vaccinated will not get the covid, the vaccine neither prevented people from becoming infected nor prevented the transmission of the virus between persons.
What do you mean “fine with vaccines up until then”? I don’t give a s**t one way or the other if any other person gets a vaccine or not. It’s their business, not mine.
I asked if you were fine with the vaccines up until the mandates. You seem rather defensive by the question.
You were suggesting that the vaccines were killing children in this post from 2022, correct?
I don’t believe a word she says. She is probably talking about children dying with COVID, rather than from it – the usual conflation that these liars make.
Meanwhile children have actually died from taking the vaccines, your shilling for Big Pharma not-withstanding.
– Mr. Anon 2022
https://www.unz.com/isteve/groundhog-day/#comment-5099758
So it doesn’t seem that you were fine with the vaccines. You suggested without a source that they were killing children and that someone who disagreed with you must be a paid agent for pharm companies.
This is exactly what I was talking about. Anti-vaxxers like yourself that can’t stand dissenting opinions and accuse anyone who disagrees as being a paid agent. Now you try to depict yourself as merely being against the mandates when your history says otherwise.
Now it’s your turn to try and argue that somehow whatever Anthony Fauci said on the matter is of no importance, him being a marginal figure and all.
I disagreed with Fauci many times and that is in my history.
You’re projecting your own bias. You assume I maintain your same level of group identity. This might blow your mind but I supported the vaccines but not the mandates nor the masking. I decide on my own and I don’t rely on Fauci or a liberal lawyer to make decisions for me.
My wife and most of our neighbors tested positive. One actually experienced a symptom — to wit, that loss of taste.
Two wrongs don’t make a right — or, to put it differently, there’s no reason we can’t address global warming AND stop illegal immigration, etc. Betcha we could even sever ties with Israel and withdraw from Iraq at the same time. I really can stop beating the wife at the same time as I fix the deck. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
I fully agree climate hysteria and wrecking everything on its behalf isn’t the way to go — but like, say, skin cancer, it is a problem, and we should address it. Not try to score virtue points with it. Just address it. Like, say, we addressed water pollution.
My wife and most of our neighbors tested positive. One actually experienced a symptom — to wit, that loss of taste.
I’ve had it at least 5 times. I don’t bother to test. I was working with the public a lot last year so I caught just about everything. COVID doesn’t bother me at all. My wife and I joke about getting it. The new strains are quite tolerable. Flu is much worse.
The last two times I did the coffee grounds test and could not smell even an inch from my nose. But I felt fine and the last time I rarely coughed.
I know a guy who permanently lost his taste from the original strain. Most food tastes awful to him.
A very healthy friend of mine was completely taken out by the original. It was right when it hit the US and his boss thought he was exaggerating the flu to avoid work. He was in bed for like three weeks. My wife knows someone who was killed. Some guy she knew through work that didn’t want to cancel his vacation. Probably vulnerable to it.
•Disagree.
Global warming is just as much of a problem as is global cooling, as is global climate “change”, as is global climate uncertainty…
There is no working mathematical model of the Earth’s climate. Even if we were SURE, somehow, that man’s doings were responsible for a long-term warming trend, we may be staving off the next Ice Age… by a few years.
It’s a power grab, Colin, not Science.
I’ve been through the next ice age, the hole in the ozone layer, global warming and now climate change. It’s all a grift and total bullshit.
No, I explained my answer. I’m fine with people taking vaccines if they want them. I am not fine with governments or employers coercing people into taking them. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Are you stupid?
Yes, I was. There was/is lots of anecdotal evidence to suggest that young people, including children, died as a result of the mRNA vaccines – vaccines which almost none of them needed. Can you say for a fact that no children died from said vaccines? And who would do an unbiased study into that question?
I suggested that somebody who was acting like a shill for pharma companies was a shill for pharma companies.
You are lying here any number of ways. I never said I was “against the vaccine” or that nobody should be able to take it. Show me a post by me wherein I said any such thing. Nor am I an “anti-vaxxer” – the usual smear that dishonest people – and you are a dishonest person – make about people who have the temerity to disagree with you.
You’re deflecting. You feigned ignorance at anyone in authority supporting the mandates. I just showed you an authority – THE authority – supporting that very thing.
I have never had much respect for your opinions, as you’ve expressed them here. I thought you were merely a dolt. I now believe that you are also just a shameless liar.
Imagine beholding this in IRL. I did, but she was much older. Not the same effect.
When I had COVID, I didn’t exactly lose my sense of taste, but it was deadened and perhaps altered for a couple of weeks. Most food tasted like dirt. Coffee tasted awful (but tea was still okay).
If one were engineering a pathogen, a virus that destroys your ability to enjoy food – one thing that almost everyone enjoys – would be an especially insidious bioweapon. It would rob life of a lot of its joy – make it less fun. If the end goal was to force you to live in a pod and eat bugs – “own nothing and be happy” – that would certainly fit the bill, wouldn’t it?
“There is no working mathematical model of the Earth’s climate”
—Based on the information available, the statement that “there is no working mathematical model of the Earth’s climate” is inaccurate.
Here’s why:
Climate models are based on mathematical equations: Climate models are designed to understand Earth’s changing climate and project future changes using mathematical equations based on fundamental scientific principles of physics, chemistry, and biology.
Models are used for climate research: Scientists use these models, run on computers, to make projections of how the climate is changing and to study past climate variations.
Different types of models exist: There are different types of models, including those that project greenhouse gas emissions, Earth system models that project the climate system’s response, and impact models that project the effects of climate changes on people.
Models have accurately predicted warming trends: Historical climate models have accurately projected global warming, providing confidence in their ability to describe the broad strokes of Earth’s future climate.—
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_Independence_Day
Van Morrison – Saint Dominic’s Preview playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_knkZ2OPrYCBGzT8xRRaW4RaNNTIn7TZUE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Dominic%27s_Preview
Thank you, ChatGPT. Perhaps everything Corvinus “writes” is the result of an AI Tool.
“AI Tool” is actually a pretty good descriptor for Corvinus.
Despite your lazy attempt at a rebuttal, employing AI to write it for you, you are wrong, you vaporing idiot. Climate models have not prospectively predicted warming trends. They have “predicted” things that already happened once the models were d**ked with enough. If you have enough knobs on it, you can make a model say anything. What they have been poor at is predicting the actual future climate.
Stick to something you know something about.
Which is nothing.
You dumbs**t.
To accept the warmists’ agenda, one has to conclude:
1. The planet is in fact warming.
2. These consequences for humans will be significantly negative on balance. (They never talk about the benefits of warming.)
3. There is something that we could do about it.
4. The benefits of whatever steps we would take outweigh the costs.
I am skeptical of #1, but even if we accept that, I see no case that we have passed all four logical steps.
It is no coincidence that the left’s proposed solutions — de-industrialization, global-level control of people’s lives, ceasing the use of fossil fuels, massive wealth transfers to third-world countries — are the same solutions they propose to all of society’s other supposed ills.
It’s also telling that they reject solutions — such as geoengineering, using nuclear power more widely, or discouraging mass migration from low-carbon-footprint countries to high-carbon-footprint countries — that could conceivably help address the supposed problem, because these solutions don’t align with their political agenda.
The foregoing does not mean that global warming is not real, but based on heuristics we should be skeptical.
You never disappoint with your uncontrollable rage and your idiocy.
I answered this question—“There is no working mathematical model of the Earth’s climate”
You proceed to offer a strawman— “Climate models have not prospectively predicted warming trends”
—Based on the information provided, the claim that climate models have not prospectively predicted warming trends is not accurate. Here’s why:
Climate models have demonstrated skill in projecting global warming: Several studies, such as one led by Zeke Hausfather, have evaluated climate models published between the 1970s and 2000s and found that most accurately predicted global warming in the years following their publication. This is particularly true when accounting for differences between projected and actual levels of CO2 and other factors influencing climate.
Even older models showed skill: A study comparing 17 forecasts from models dating back to 1970 found that 10 closely matched observations of global average surface temperatures, and 14 did so after adjusting for differences in external forcing. The IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) models also showed warming projections close to observations between 1970 and 2016, with an 8% difference.
IPCC models show agreement with observations: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports show that global climate models generally simulate global temperatures that align well with observations over relevant climate timescales—
No, you typed a few words into ChatGPT or some other AI tool, and copied and pasted what it spat out, you vacuous idiot.
Aaaaaand, then you did it again.
You didn’t cite any papers, you just quoted a couple names. So, what is the nature of these studies you cite? What journals were they published in? You don’t know because you didn’t read them. You didn’t even look them up. The AI Oracle merely revealed them to you.
But you have saved everyone here a lot of time. In future, they need not bother to read whatever the bot “Corvinus” writes. They can simply use ChatGPT with idiot-mode enabled……..with prompts like “write a summary of an NPR story in the style of a childish and stupid incel.”
“OK, now picture the whole energy balance of an Earth with 1/4 land mass of varying surfaces, 3/4 oceans with varying temperatures, with currents, and different evaporation and sublimation rates, that whole atmosphere thingy with varying layers (in both constitution and density, and often mixed to a degree) with radiation HT, convection HT, mass transfer, heat transfer from phase changes, with EVERY PROCESS involved needing to be COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD and already modeled (with said models tested by runs and subsequent observation).”
Models of complicated systems will never include everything. Nevertheless they can be useful. Weather forecasting models don’t include every process. And some of the processes that are included are modeled with empirical fudge factors. But they can still provide useful weather forecasts. Of course weather forecasters have the advantage that they are only attempting to predict a few days into the future so they can repeatedly check their forecasts against what actually happened. This allows them to identify problems in the models and work to improve them.
Because climate models have not been validated by empirical testing to nearly the same degree as weather models there are in fact reasons to question how accurate we can expect them to be. This is particularly true of the more complicated models that try to include lots of things. Besides the chance that they are modelling some process incorrectly there is an increased chance of programming errors as the model grows more complicated. So I doubt that the more complicated models are more predictive and prefer to stick with simple models which are easier to understand. Even if they cannot be expected to give more than rough general predictions.
You don’t need a complicated model to predict that moving the earth closer to the sun would cause it to become hotter. Or that moving it farther away would cause it to become colder. Of course this isn’t certain particularly for small changes. Some complicated interaction could cause the temperature to change in an unexpected way for awhile. Note the change could be greater than expected as well as less than expected.
Similarly the earth’s surface is substantially warmer than it would otherwise be because of the so called greenhouse effect. This is caused by gasses in the atmosphere, primarily H2O and CO2, that transmit short wave radiation more easily than long wave radiation. So again it is plausible (although not certain) that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere will increase the greenhouse effect leading to warmer surface temperatures. And in fact the surface has been getting warmer.
I am not saying anything here about how serious the expected warming is likely to be or what would be an appropriate policy response. Just that it is plausible that human activity is causing some of the recent warming.
First, I think that while more research should certainly be done, the available evidence is that it is happening — and that therefore we should proceed on that basis. After all, the supply of fossil fuels is finite — wouldn’t it be neat to make it last?
So electrify the trains, build nuclear power plants, etc. It won’t cause societal collapse, and it would be a good idea in any case. Don’t just keep burning up what fuel we have and belching CO2 into the atmosphere without even attempting to minimize it.
Second, I tend to view climate change as a wave function; temperature goes up, it goes down. But there is an average axis — presumably unchanging — around which the oscillation occurs. What happens if we make that average axis slope upwards?
We do need to figure out what we are doing. Meantime, we need to proceed on the basis of available evidence. After all, the default isn’t to simply do nothing; we are doing something. Eight billion of us are merrily generating hitherto unimaginable quantities of CO2. The question is what effect is it having?
That all is a totally different subject though, Colin, just as real pollution is (ask me about plastic in the ocean sometime). I will say that even that first assumption is open to question – abiotic oil is a theory – it would still not be infinite on this earth, but it’d mean there’s a HELL of a lot. However, I won’t argue with any of this here. It doesn’t have to do with the Climate Calamity™ BS
Climate Alarmists may want to couple all this, but I don’t like that way – it’s a sort of lying. Do you remember the spotted owl controversy in WA and OR and then that lynx hoax? Listen, treehuggers, just be honest and say you want to save the old-growth forests and maybe put some of your OWN money down (as the Nature Conservatory does) for a change, but don’t go making up other stories and hoaxes to do it all back-handedly.
What happens if it’s actually downward? The whole “better safe than sorry” idea makes no sense when you don’t even know you have a problem or you can’t define it.
Hey, Colin, my models predict a cooling trend. We’d better started DOING SOMETHING. See?:
The default solution for not knowing WTH is going on is to do nothing.
We don’t know, but probably nothing bad. This stuff is tree candy. Do you like trees? Then too, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has been much much higher in the far past. It has also been measured via tree rings(?) for centuries past, and it turns out that warming periods PRECEDED rises in CO2 (all before humans did so much of their own combustion… though volcanoes would still erupt and wildfires would burn without us….). Why? Well, they’re working on that…
James, thanks for the well-thought-out reply. I shouldn’t have been rude with the Troll tag, but I get sick of explaining this stuff. You have good questions, but I’ve got good answers, so look:
Weather is NOT Climate. That’s what the alarmists say, but it’s one thing they ARE right about. Weather is a very chaotic system. There is no way to model out much through more than 4 days (I mean, unless you predict hot and dry in the desert and cool and dry at night.) Therefore the good meteorologists are just very familiar with local patterns and are good at guessing. It’s mostly guesswork.
As far a checking the weather models and improving them, I’m finding that local weather forecasts, like so much else that is being done less competently nowadays, are getting worse. I took off the phone weather app, as it was so far off. (Told me on a Tuesday it wouldn’t rain until Saturday, so I watered a bunch of stuff 1/2 hour from home. It rained that night.)
The climate is different story. There’s an energy balance that is maintained due to material tending toward equilibrium, in temperatures, pressures, flow rates, whatever. It’s not chaotic, but it’s extremely complicated, because there are a lot of such different matter, “parcels” of air in the atmosphere, layers in the ocean, land masses with different surfaces, ice pack… well, I went over this, so…
About your point about the solar influx: Sure, agreed. That’s a simple relationship, but why? It’s because the Earth is so minuscule compared to the sun. If the sun heats up the Earth more, there won’t be significant feedback in the other direction.
All the processes involved in Earth’s climate include masses of matter in all phases that have relationships with all the rest. You can’t just separate out the one process [Increasing CO2 (and let’s not forget H2O – thanks for mentioned it, James) blocks outgoing solar radiation of certain wavelengths] and think that’s all there is to it.
Has it really? The surface of the earth includes a lot of ground and a lot of ocean. I have lost all confidence in that data after seeing the tricks pulled, cherry-picking the numbers and the time-scale, including weather stations around which cities and pavement have grown, etc. Then, that’s just scratching the surface, hehe, as what happens in the climate means in the oceans, in the various layers of the atmosphere and other factors besides temperature.
BTW, I especially abhor the BS about a “tipping point”. They have no idea of any such process.
Yeah. It’s also plausible that we’re at the bottom of the Ice Age cycle, and we’re going to be wishing we COULD heat up the planet by ourselves.
Excellent way to put it, Mr. Anon. Thanks.
But what if one sees it as a matter not of us doing nothing, but of doing a great deal? After all, to say we don’t know what is going on and therefore should do nothing could be taken to mean we should stop generating any CO2 at all until we’re sure of the effects.
So I’m the moderate here. I say that we shouldn’t do nothing until we know for sure — we should do what would be fairly painless and a good idea in any case until then. You’re the one insisting we should just charge ahead and burn it all and see what it all looks like afterwards. Now, the ‘do nothing’ camp — who would that be? Al Gore?
You may not like The Gateway Pundit due to it’s gossipy articles, extremely annoying nasty ads, and hypey headlines, so I’ll just past this whole article in for you, Colin. It’s a bit repetitive though:
You haven’t proved what said is wrong. All you did was yelled.
This comment made my day.
You haven’t proved what you said is right, you ridiculous clown.
No, I wasn’t yelling. I was calmly telling the village idiot (you) to f**k off.
I could put dozens of links here about people getting arrested during the epidemic. Did you sleep through all that or are you just playing dumb here?
Arrested for what? Not getting the vaccine? No I never heard of that.
Biden’s mandate gave large corporations the choice of testing
Under upcoming rule, companies with more than 100 employees must require vaccinations or weekly testing
https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/news/talent-acquisition/biden-orders-vaccination-mandates-larger-employers-federal-workforce
I didn’t support that mandate and it was later dropped. In fact I said the mandates will probably have the reverse effect and that positive incentives make more sense.
In any case there was no threat of arrest and that was the strictest proposed mandate.
You’d have to cite actual policy for me to comment on. I’m not going to give my opinion on policy that you don’t specify.
Maybe the anti-vaxxers might have been a little less harsh on you here if you had been a little more even handed with your criticisms during the epidemic.
I don’t need anyone to be nice to me. I am pointing out the bullshit of the anti-vaxxers.
You are trying to justify their irrationalism with government overreach by Democrats.
Well only slight problem with that excuse is that their irrationalism started before the vaccines were released.
It was anti-vaxxers that suggested they contain a tracking chip or may cause infertility as part of some Bill Gates population reduction program. They were suggesting that before the vaccines were available to the public. They didn’t say oh let’s wait until they are released and then look over the data to discuss the results. They were certain it was all a big pharm/big government collusion conspiracy for profit even though the most of the pharm companies lost money. The MRNA vaccines ended up being effective and a few traditional vaccines were actually pulled due to side effects. That was not what they predicted as they imagined all the companies working together for profit.
It is quite astounding that over two years after the Covid epidemic is over and most people are not even getting the booster shots any more you are still promoting the vaccines. Not only that, but you are doing it on a month old comment thread hardly anyone is looking at now in response to a comment I made over a week ago. I just looked in because I saw someone was still adding comments and wondered why.
The two big hysterias over the last five years are the Covid hysteria and the Putin is the new Hitler hysteria. In both cases you did little to counteract either one of those. You seem to have an inability to rank problems in order of importance and focus on what is most important.
I can’t help you on that. The good thing is that people just stop listening to your type and move on with the rest of their lives after awhile. There will be a continued decrease in interest in getting a Covid booster shot. There will be a decreasing interest among Americans in the unwinnable Ukraine quagmire. I am old enough to remember the stubborn individuals at the end of the Vietnam War still trying to argue we should stay. It may not have been you but it was exactly the same type as you.
I’m not an expert or well-versed in this issue and its various debates, but a couple of simple chess-logic propositions have always struck me as glaringly obvious…
— It is clear that all “science” practice has now become hopelessly politically compromised, across all disciplines and spectra. For proof of this, look simply at the bizarre contortions surrounding transgenderism and its potential “treatment,” or of course the notoriously compromised “race and IQ” issues. If we were to somehow eliminate the mealy-mouthed bogus word “debunked” from the English language, whatever would these poor clowns do?
— So we can’t trust science. What can we trust? Well, logic, and… *some* science. As AEN makes clear above, “temperature” readings are compromised six ways to Sunday, and we can see from the mere behavior of the Klimate Klowns that their true motive is wealth transfer to undeserving Third World shitstains, and the punishment and crippling of the white West, simply Because Reasons. The arc of Justice, or the Right Side of History, or some other such mystical nonsense. If we’re honest, it really all just boils down to a vicious hatred of white people, their brilliance and their success. The whole world is really just envy and resentment, who said?
— Certain things like ocean acidity and the mass death of coral reefs do tend to suggest something iffy is going on with C02 levels, but what is it? Find a bunch of isolated non-politically invested North Korean science nerds, lock them in a shed, and start over again, this time with honesty.
— As the history of all human history amply demonstrates, a political solution based on sincere global harmony and cooperation is not only not possible, it is laughable. If a climate crisis does exist, and can with genuine integrity be shown to exist, then the solution to it will be through engineering breakthroughs, new conceptions of energy, not through politics. Without the Chinese and the Indians on board and not cheating, you accomplish nothing. The Euro-virtue-weenies, the darkies slavering for Euro $$$, and the American leftards can cripple themselves and shoot themselves in the foot all day long, it will not move the needle a single millimeter. The atmosphere is aggregate and collective, not regional, you f#cking retards. Anything you do doesn’t matter unless everybody else does it to, and I can promise you that they won’t.
— AEN brings up the vital question of plastics pollution in the oceans, and I would add radical over-fishing causing fish populations to approach extinction. Those are problems which are solveable through international cooperation. Solve that stuff, and it will serve as a model for a potential climate political solution. I won’t be holding my breath.
— Thought experiment: let’s say that the climate crisis is actually real, and the existence of the human race is at stake. What if I told you, Leftard Virtue Weenie, that the Science! has incontrovertibly confirmed that the ONLY way (no outs, no ifs or buts) to solve the climate crisis and prevent the extinction of humanity, was… to mass-exterminate the entire populations of all subcontinental South Asia, all of Indonesia, all of Africa north and south, all of Latin America, and half of China. Leaving basically only whites and some NE Asians surviving, but ensuring the survival of humanity. Remember: the Science has spoken! It’s the ONLY way (and guess what it probably is). Could you do it, Virtue Weenies? Could you stand to exterminate your worthless brown pets, because the God Science commands?
Don’t try to squirm your way out of it, and propose an alternative. In the thought experiment, there is NO alternative. What is more valuable to you: your precious Gaia, or your precious shitstains?
Answer yes or no.
Corvinus channeling Tiny Duck?
Arrested for going to church. For freely and peaceably assembling. For any number of fundamental human rights enshrined in the Constitution.
And a stick-up man gives you the choice of handing over your wallet, rather than getting shot.
The point is, the Biden administration had not right to do either, require testing or vaccination.
Oh, you didn’t support the mandate. So? You are a nobody, and nobody cares what you think. The Government did support it. Do you maybe understand how that might piss people off, you ridiculous idiot?
No, just the threat of losing your livelihood. Except there was a threat of arrest and detainment too. A large fraction of the country want to throw people in jail for even questioning the efficacy of vaccines:
You think we should just ignore something like that?
And it was lying a**holes like you who conflated anyone who opposed COVID authoritarianism with “anti-vaxxers” and smeared us as such.
Effective at what? Certainly not what they told us they were effective at.
I’m replying to you, not because I wish to change your (evidently tiny and feeble) mind, but to rebut your specious assertions in a public forum. I think you’re a liar, or an idiot, or both, and I don’t care what you think.
It is quite astounding that over two years after the Covid epidemic is over and most people are not even getting the booster shots any more you are still promoting the vaccines.
Covid is indeed over and yet we still have posters that are angry with Steve for daring to not agree with them.
I call out anti-vaxxer bullshit. I did that on the MMR and RFK’s followers were furious with me for questioning their liberal lawyer who has zero background in biology.
RFK has since reversed his position on the MMR
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/04/07/nx-s1-5354900/hhs-rfk-endorses-mmr-measles-vaccine-stoking-supporters-fury
That was after his anti-vaxx bullshit got a bunch of kids killed in the American Samoa.
Would you call that promoting the MMR? I really don’t care. Call it whatever you want but anti-vaxxers now have to accept that their cult leader changed his position which would also be an admittance than he screwed up in American Samoa.
The two big hysterias over the last five years are the Covid hysteria and the Putin is the new Hitler hysteria. In both cases you did little to counteract either one of those.
That’s your personal opinion and once again you are obviously bothered with me not agreeing with you. You are threatened by dissenting views.
Global opinion views Putin negatively and the UN voted 143-5 that Russia is the unjust aggressor.
I agree with the UN on Putin and you are free to explain why I should take the position of a handful of dictatorships like Belarus and North Korea. That vote today would be 143-4 as Syria is no longer ruled by Assad.
You seem to have an inability to rank problems in order of importance and focus on what is most important.
And once again you completely sidestep questions about Ukraine war spending in relation to the military budget.
Trump once again is following the Republican playbook of massively increasing the debt in order to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. Like a good little conservative you don’t say anything while you quietly know that you would be outraged if a Democrat proposed raising the ceiling so billionaires could have a tax cut.
I am old enough to remember the stubborn individuals at the end of the Vietnam War still trying to argue we should stay. It may not have been you but it was exactly the same type as you.
We do not have soldiers being killed in Ukraine and most of the donated weapons were decommissioned. Polls show that Americans support miliary aid to Ukraine so your analogy is invalid. I’m in the majority while you are in the minority.
Trump has finally concluded that Putin is an asshole which is what the rest of the world knew when the 5’1 dictator started the war by launching cruise missiles at downtown Kiev.
Arrested for going to church. For freely and peaceably assembling. For any number of fundamental human rights enshrined in the Constitution.
We were talking about vaccine mandates. I didn’t support the lockdowns.
It might blow your mind but it’s possible to support one precaution against a virus but not others.
Oh, you didn’t support the mandate. So? You are a nobody, and nobody cares what you think. The Government did support it. Do you maybe understand how that might piss people off, you ridiculous idiot?
No one cares what I think and yet you keep replying to me. Got it.
No, just the threat of losing your livelihood. Except there was a threat of arrest and detainment too. A large fraction of the country want to throw people in jail for even questioning the efficacy of vaccines:
The extreme of the Democrats doesn’t justify irrational thinking on vaccines.
As I pointed out we had anti-vaxxers with all kinds of wackjob theories before the vaccines had been released. They hated the vaccines before any policy had been decided on their distribution. As I pointed out many times they tolerated the position that the virus didn’t exist. They found that to be less offensive than support for the vaccines. That clearly showed that they were an emotionally driven movement that wasn’t interested in reality.
And it was lying a**holes like you who conflated anyone who opposed COVID authoritarianism with “anti-vaxxers” and smeared us as such.
“Look at these crazy authoritarians” is not a justification for rejecting logic and reason on basic biology. Paul Craig Roberts had to turn off comments during COVID because it was clear that his anti-government paranoia couldn’t replace a high school understanding of biology. Whether or not the vaccines are effective is a separate subject from whether or not some dingbat Democrat is right about locking down beaches.
I already pointed out in your history that you were against the vaccines before the mandates.
You suggested without evidence that they were killing children. Making up shit off the top of your head to discredit vaccines would be very much anti-vaxxer behavior.
What you and others really wanted was Unz to be a place where you could make any claim on the vaccines without any accountability. That is why there was outrage over Ron and Steve not agreeing with the anti-vaxx crowd. They wanted this to be a place where they could throw out any bullshit like “killing kids” and not be asked for a source. So the controlled debate of the MSM but on a smaller scale and with different views.
My employer at the time told us that anyone who knowingly exposes a coworker who dies of covid will be subject to prosecution. That sounded crazy at the time, but it wasn’t enough to convince me to get vaccinated.
“Polls show that Americans support military aid to the Ukraine.”
They do not show support for putting American troops on the ground there. For the third time, the Ukraine can’t win without that. Polls showed American support for the Vietnam and Afghanistan interventions until the realization came they were unwinnable quagmires in countries of little strategic importance to America. We abandoned those countries and stopped wasting money on them. The same thing will happen in the Ukraine.
I was told by my army employer I had to get the shot as a civilian employee to keep my coworkers from being exposed to the disease. At the time, I was teleworking from home full time as were my coworkers, meaning we were all miles away from each other.
It was a common belief in the military the vaccine requirement was a way for politicians to pay back big pharma for their political donations. We were never required to get a booster shot, though, because a few months after that in the winter of 2021-2022 it became really obvious that the vaccines did not stop transmission. Large numbers of vaccinated people came down with the disease.
You still haven’t proved what I said was wrong. You continue to furiously pound on your keyboard, yelling at the top of your lungs.
The only one yelling here is you, you stupid idiot.
You didn’t say anything. ChatGPT generated some text and you copied and pasted it.
Nobody cares what you think, dips**t.
We were talking about tyranny. And it was all of a piece.
You didn’t support the lockdowns. You didn’t support vaccine mandates. Then what are you yammering on about? And why are you implicitly defending the side that wanted to impose both?
None of them were “precautions against the virus”.
I already said I’m not trying to persuade you. I’m trying to persuade others that people like you are not to be trusted. I’m holding you up as an example of the kind of wishy-washiness that excused the COVID-tyranny. Think of it as a kind of innoculation. A vaccine, if you will.
I haven’t thought irrationally about vaccines. You seem intent to tar us all with your particular little straw-man.
And the reality is that people in power confined you to house arrest. At least those anti-vaxxer “whack-jobs” were opposed to that. As such, I consider them to be better allies than yammering blowhards like you.
You are lying. I was never “against the vaccines”. I was against the mandate. You are a liar.
There is evidence that they killed young people. Evidence which you studiously ignore.
Again – you are a liar. I don’t see any reason to believe a single goddamned thing you ever say again.
This sounds like an egregious example of overreach. How could they prosecute you?
What was never explained by the COVID-crazies was how any of this differed from the flu? People had been exposing you, me, our grandmas, and everyone else, to the flu for years – for centuries. And old people often die of the flu. There is a huge uptick in flu deaths in January. I suspect a lot of that is old people who were exposed to the flu over Christmas. I suppose you could say that their grandchildren killed them. Should their grandchildren be prosecuted for murder?
The campaign to demonize and even criminalize all kinds of normal human behavior during the COVID-regime was astouding. Astounding and sinister.
You are a liar. I don’t see any reason to believe a single goddamned thing you ever say. You still haven’t disproved what I said, and you continue to yell. It’s a sight to behold.
“Perhaps the most damning analysis comes from Stanford researcher Patrick Frank, whose statistical analysis reveals that “the average annual systematic measurement uncertainty is ±0.5°C, which completely vitiates centennial climate warming at the 95% confidence interval.” In practical terms, this means the measurement errors are larger than the climate changes being measured. Frank concludes that “we cannot reject the hypothesis that the world’s temperature has not changed at all.””
This 95% stuff is what people come up with when they are losing an argument. There is only a 94% chance that I am wrong so we cannot reject the hypothesis that I am correct.
“Don’t try to squirm your way out of it, and propose an alternative. In the thought experiment, there is NO alternative. What is more valuable to you: your precious Gaia, or your precious shitstains?”
Another bad form of argument, the absurd hypothetical. And unnecessary in this case as a real hypothetical makes the point. Is it better that Germany generate electricity with nuclear power plants or coal burning power plants? In real life the German Green party chose coal.
Wait now I’m really confused so is climate change (in your opinion) real or bs?
Lighten up corvi you’re just pissing in the wind you’re not going to change anyone’s mind you just like to argue.
You didn’t understand that at all, James.
I don’t see how they could have prosecuted anyone, but covid was a hysteria. My neighbor who worked for Gulfstream tested positive in the first weeks of covid, and he was put on quarantine and told something similar. It became annoying to hear people quoting “Dr. Fauchi” like he was above questioning. Mania is strange.
I had several elderly relatives die of pneumonia well before covid, and it was considered a natural cause that was nothing to be alarmed about.
My father died during the “epidemic” and his cause of death was listed as covid, but he was also in the late stages of Alzheimers and recovering from his second broken hip. The last time that I saw him, before he broke his hip the second time, I knew he wouldn’t last much longer, and that was before anyone was talking about covid or an epidemic. The covid treatment alone could have been too much for him.
Covid is a strange illness, though. I’ve had bronchitis and pneumonia many times, but covid felt like nothing I have ever had…the first time I got it. One day of an intense headache, followed by flu-like symptoms, and then several days of a dreamlike state where I just lost track of time. The other three times I had covid were no big deal, and I only tested because I was required to test if I had a fever.
“Another bad form of argument, the absurd hypothetical.”
Not at all. First of all it is not absurd, merely extreme. If you think that getting rid of six billion useless eaters and all their consumption would have zero effect on climate (land regeneration etc) then you don’t take your own arguments seriously. If you reversed the polarity and asked Virtue Weenie if Science told him to end global warmening by annihilating whites, do you think he would hesitate for a moment?
Warmenists have no problem at all with bankrupting and ruining the west, while giving all the brownies a free pass. Look at the immigration issue: if warmenists had any integrity, they’d be marching all those mooching shitstains back to their low-carbon-footprint toilet bowls tout de suite. Do we see that? Warmenists are not intellectually serious, merely filled with deranged hatred for whites.
You don’t know nearly as much about rhetoric as you think you do, laddie. Like everything else that comes blasting out yer steam pipe.
Now you are quoting me. You really have never had a single original thought in your whole miserable life, have you, dips**t?
Here, I’ll make it easy for you: Did you or did you not draft those posts using an AI tool like ChatGPT?
Yes or no? I know that’s a hard concept for you – yes or no – given that you’re usual tactic is to befoul the place with your rhetorical flatulence. But try. Yes or no, you simpering little f**k?
Agreed. I heard the same thing. People were quoting him as if he were some kind of oracle.
The other thing that struck me as strange, and sinister I might add, was how people talked about “lockdown”. It used to be the only time you’d hear the term “lockdown” was in the context of a prison riot. Lockdowns were what prison wardens imposed. Then, beginning about twenty five years ago or so, you heard it applied to schools. Then, all of a sudden in March of 2020, the whole World was in lockdown. And people accepted it without question. I’d hear people saying things like “We’re going back into lockdown” as if they were talking about the weather. And nobody but a few of us weirdos on dissident websites like this one seemed shocked and horrified at this. Whatever faith I had in humanity mostly vanished at that time. A lot of people really are just sheep who will do whatever they’re told to do, without question, by those in authority.
My experiences were similar. The one time I had it, it manifested itself as a dull headache and extreme fatigue that lasted for a week or more. Accompanied by the loss in taste, or rather, altering or deadening in taste. It was qualitatively different than any flu or bacterial pneumonia that I’ve ever had. I kept a check on my blood O2 level, to make sure it wasn’t dipping.
It’s difference from other illnesses is itself an indicator of non-natural origins. Perhaps you have to screw-around with the genome of a virus to make it behave that differenty.
Could you elaborate? The Frank paper has DOI 10.1260/0958-305X.26.3.391 and is available at SciHub. Here is the language used in the abstract.
Here is the text from just before the conclusion.
If I understand that correctly, the JBS interpretation is correct (though the 94% comment may be hyperbole for this case).
There does appear to be a clear trend after 1975. I wonder if those uncertainty bars could be reduced by using a moving average of annual temperature. That depends on whether the errors are random or systematic (and systematic error appears to be the crux of Frank’s argument). Also, the actual variation seen from 1850 to present seems to argue against random errors actually occurring at a magnitude of ±0.5 C. Especially at 1 SD (only 67% of results should fall within).
I had some misgivings about the rigor of the statistical analysis in the paper, but neither my statistical chops nor time available are adequate to critique in detail. Instead, I will link this critique of a later paper by Frank.
https://skepticalscience.com/frank_propagation_uncertainty.html
Regarding Germ Theory’s point about global warming, population, and immigration. I strongly agree that nexus is a major inconsistency in good thinker views. If one really is serious about global warming then one should have concerns about:
1. Global population.
2. Carbon footprint increasing immigration from the third to first world.
(The Sierra Club being bought off from expressing concerns like that indicates this is not just negligence, rather intent. But why?)
JBS’s point about inconsistency between preference for coal vs. nuclear power and global warming alarmism is also well made (at least that’s how I took his statement).
I find it hard to argue against the following points:
1. Global warming is happening. Just look at the glaciers.
2. If global warming is not at least partially caused by increasing CO2 then that is one heck of a coincidence.
3. Current climate models are not capable of accurate prediction. Whether or not they are even accurate enough to be useful seems questionable.
4. A major area of uncertainty in all of this is the feedback mechanisms involved. If the feedback is negative we are probably fine. If the feedback is positive (reinforcing) we have a problem.
5. A real discussion about the risks involved and both the costs and likelihood of success of possible countermeasures needs to be had. But instead engaging in hyperbolic and divisive rhetoric appears to be the order of the day.
Glaciers do melt and reform. That happens periodically, but a 30 or 40 year trend of warmer weather doesn’t mean much. I don’t know what to make of changing weather, but I don’t generally trust the global warming activists. They just want power and influence, and I am old enough to remember the attempts to push the coming ice age.
It’s pretty warm where I live, so nothing much has changed as far as I can tell, but my in-laws complain that they are no longer able to walk across the ice or ski to work, and that the winters are not as cold. But what does that mean? It’s observable, but it’s also known that weather and climate vary over time. Does it make sense for citizens in a country like Finland or Norway to scrupulously sort their trash for recycling and destroy their economies to save the environment when China and India do nothing?
Res, I did not ignore your comment here. I read though the guy’s post on Skeptical Science. I think he’s right in his finding of numerical errors. I’ll reply about that, but as to your 1 – 5 points, just as a preview:
1) Disagree
2) The premise requires more explanation from me in order to get to the answer.
3) Agree
4) Disagree somewhat in that I don’t think this is simple enough to KNOW all the process that result in feedback.
5) Agree mostly, but there should be no countermeasures to a not-so-sure-to-be-existent problem.
It may be a while, but I’ll get back to you.
This is all valid enough — but it’s not evidence that global warming isn’t occurring. It’s merely evidence that our data isn’t exactly unimpeachable.
So global warming could indeed be occurring. Moreover, both personal and reported data of all kinds suggests it is.
What we have here is an argument for further research — not an argument that we should do nothing. Sometimes, we have to act on incomplete data. If I’m camping, and I see smoke pouring over the ridge — well, it could be a controlled burn. Or maybe it’ll die out before it reaches me.
Pending that, though, it would be a good idea to pack up the van and be ready to roll. It won’t kill me.
So maybe global warming is happening, and our own activities are causing or at least exacerbating it. Let’s start to take whatever prophylactic measures won’t be too disruptive. Meantime, I’m all for conducting further research and discussing the significance of the results.
But for Chrissakes, don’t insist that nothing is happening, that we shouldn’t consider that possibility that it is, and that at least for now, we shouldn’t do at least whatever is relatively painless while we try to reach a definitive consensus. That’s just foolishness. It’s like deciding that the smoke is a controlled burn, that nothing could possibly be wrong, and that I’m going to go three miles out in the woods looking for the rare Spotted Woodpecker.
…sometimes we want things to be a certain way. That doesn’t mean they are. I suspect this is what goes on with Holocaust Denial. I can sympathize: there was a lot to be said for Nazism, and it would be nice if they hadn’t killed five million Jews et al. But they did — and wishing they hadn’t won’t change that.
So you don’t want global warming to be happening. I’d also be happy to learn that it isn’t — really. I don’t get off on the thought of everyone having to ride a bicycle etc. But I suspect that it is happening — and generally, to the extent that I can do so while hedging my bets, I find it’s best to act in accord with my suspicions.
While collecting more data, of course.