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Adapted from an address given on May 31, 2025, at a conference organized and hosted by James Edwards in Greenville, South Carolina.
Our host has brought us together this weekend to do more than diagnose and explain what’s gone wrong, or to call out those who are responsible. The focus of this conference, he explains, is “on how to effectively leverage the opportunities created by Donald Trump’s re-election,” and to “capitalize on the changing political climate.” Well, doing that demands an honest and realistic assessment of Trump’s career, the MAGA movement that grew from it, and the Trump presidency.
Donald Trump’s astonishing rise to power has been, above all, an expression of deep and growing unhappiness among Americans with what’s become of our country. The Trump-MAGA movement has given voice to the pent-up rage of millions — above all, White middle class and working Americans — who have been ignored and belittled by their political leaders, and who have been made to feel like strangers in their own country.
His success is the result of the mounting disappointment and anger at the ever more obvious failure of the establishment political parties and their leaders, who have held power for decades, and of those who have supported them in the mass media, in Hollywood, in business, and in school and college classrooms. Trump’s ascent to the White House is both a symptom and an accelerator of the breakdown of the liberal democratic order — and the ideology on which it is based — that has prevailed in our country and in western Europe since the end of World War II.
Trump has performed a great service by shaking things up. He has pushed Americans to acknowledge uncomfortable realities that those in power have wanted everyone to ignore. He has pressed Americans to re-consider such important issues as birthright citizenship, and “affirmative action” policies and other programs that discriminate against White citizens — issues that those in power had long regarded as “settled” and not open to question.
While acknowledging positive features of the Trump-MAGA movement, honesty compels us to also frankly acknowledge the very real limits of what that movement and the Trump administration can actually accomplish.
Donald Trump and MAGA movement leaders claim that America is no longer the great country it was and should be because it has been wrecked by evil people. To “Make America Great Again,” they believe, does not require a revolution. It requires only getting rid of those bad people who have done so much to wreck the country. In keeping with its character as a reactionary protest movement, Trump and MAGA Republicans focus on identifying their enemies and removing them from power and influence.
Trump and his colleagues and supporters are clear about who and what they do not like, and want to sweep away. They seem certain, for example, about what books they believe Americans should not read. Accordingly, the Trump administration has been busy removing from libraries books that foster anti-White attitudes, and notably those that promote “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.” However, Trump and the MAGA movement seem to have no idea of just what books should be in libraries, or that Americans should be reading.
That’s because Trump and the MAGA movement has no coherent, self-consistent worldview or historical outlook of its own to replace the ideology that has prevailed in the U.S. for the past 80 years, and which has inexorably brought us to where we are today. As a result, the Trump-MAGA movement has no clear concept of the future other than a vague vision of an America that, once again, is “great” and “winning.”
So often we have heard Republican politicians and commentators tell us that the miserable conditions in U.S. cities — the decay, crime and disorder of Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and so on — are all because … the mayors of those cities are Democrats. Do they — does anyone — actually believe such nonsense? So often MAGA Republicans tell us that the Democrats are the “real racists,” and insist that, “we” should all think of ourselves simply as human beings and “Americans” — and that our goal is, or should be, a color-blind, non-racial America.
MAGA Republicans complain about “identity politics,” calling it “divisive” and “racist.” It’s difficult to believe that those who make such claims are sincere, given that Trump’s own campaign routinely practiced “identity politics,” with election appeals to Blacks, Hispanics, and Jews that promise benefits to members of those racial or ethnic groups.
As part of his effort to win support from Black voters in the 2020 election campaign, Donald Trump issued his so-called “Platinum Plan,” which promised that a second Trump administration would make “Juneteenth” a national holiday, and would set up a range of new federal programs that, he claimed, would “increase access to capital in Black communities by almost 500 billion dollars,” thereby “creating 500,000 new Black-owned businesses.” When President Biden later made Juneteenth an official federal holiday, Trump claimed credit for it because, he said, he was the one who made the idea “very famous.” During the 2024 presidential election cycle, both the Trump and Harris campaigns made “identity politics” appeals to Jews, running television ads that explained why each candidate was best for Jewish interests.
Although Trump and MAGA Republicans reject anti-White policies, and the outlook on which those polices are based, they do not have an explicitly pro-White outlook. Instead, they believe, or pretend to believe, that race does not matter — that America is so “exceptional” that this country is somehow immune from the realities of biology, of history, and of life itself.
Those who are serious about our country and our future, though, cannot afford to close their eyes to things as they really are. Work and sacrifice based on anything other than a frank and realistic understanding of the great challenges we face is a waste of time and effort. When we carefully consider just what can and should be done, we must be clear-eyed and honest about how profoundly the drastic racial-cultural transformation of our country over the past 80 years has changed everything. To be blunt, the Trump-MAGA diagnosis of what’s wrong with America, and therefore what’s to be done, is woefully inadequate .
In the years just after the end of World War II, the U.S. population was some 90 percent European American. Whites were even a majority in every large U.S. city. Today, only a handful of large U.S. cities still have a majority White population. As everyone here is very aware, the U.S. population is, or very soon will be, a majority non-White. MAGA Americans believe, or at least hope, that in spite of the radical cultural-racial change in the U.S. population since the 1950s, President Trump will somehow restore the united, purposeful U.S.A. of a bygone era.
Some of us here this weekend are old enough to remember how many millions of White Americans and so-called conservatives put great hope in Ronald Reagan, another Republican leader whose slogan in the 1980 presidential election campaign was “Let’s Make America Great Again.” In his acceptance speech at the Republican Party national convention that year, Reagan spoke about welcoming Haitians to the U.S., because — he explained — America is a providentially chosen country for people everywhere who yearn for freedom. “Can we doubt,” he said, “that only a divine providence placed this land, this island of freedom, here as a refuge for all those people in the world who yearn to breathe freely: Jews and Christians enduring persecution behind the Iron Curtain, the boat people of Southeast Asia, of Cuba and of Haiti, the victims of drought and famine in Africa, the freedom fighters of Afghanistan, and our own countrymen held in savage captivity.”
I remember the joy of victory shared by millions of White Americans when Reagan was elected president a few months later, and their happiness during the eight years he was in the White House — lifting spirits with inspiring, patriotic rhetoric about American greatness and exceptionalism. Like Trump, Ronald Reagan ignored race — and, not surprisingly, the country’s demographic and cultural de-Europeanization continued during the Reagan years at a brisk pace.
However thrilling election victories by politicians who promise a “great America” may make many of us feel, that is not what really matters. What’s important is not victory for a candidate or a party, but solid, purposeful policies for our people based on a coherent worldview grounded in reality.
During the 2024 election campaign, many MAGA voters were encouraged by the prospect that a second Trump administration would deport one or two or even ten million illegal immigrants. Most Trump supporters today still hope that sweeping policies and measures by the new administration might somehow turn back the clock, and restore an America that once was. The sober truth, though, is that even if all illegal immigration to the U.S. stops tomorrow, and every illegal immigrant is deported or leaves the country, the racial “third-worldization” of the U.S. — the de-Europeanization of the country — will continue, even if at a slower pace.
In his inaugural address in January, and in similar remarks on election night in November, Trump made a point of expressing thanks for the support he had gotten from “African Americans, Hispanic Americans, [and] Asian Americans.” He made no mention of the much more important, indeed, decisive support he received from White Americans. The reason for this “oversight,” if you will, is not ignorance.
To talk explicitly about White American voters, or White American heritage, or White American history, is somehow to detract from the comfortable but delusional assumption of so many of our people that White America is America, and that Blacks, Hispanics, and so forth, are more or less adjunct or peripheral population groups that “we” should either ignore or try to uplift and fit in to “our” great country. Until the middle of the twentieth century, nearly all Americans understood and acknowledged the obvious reality that race matters. Today that’s no longer true. For more than 80 years, White Americans have been subjected to a systematic, organized campaign of social conditioning that promotes a poisonously distorted portrayal of life and history, through television and Hollywood movies, in newspapers and magazines, and in school and college classrooms, all bolstered with reassuring but toxic platitudes by compliant politicians. This well-organized campaign has succeeded in persuading most White Americans — including millions of MAGA-Trump supporters — that race does not or should not matter.
In his inaugural address of January, Donald Trump promised, “America will soon be greater, stronger, and far more exceptional than ever before.” His administration, he said, will “bring back hope, prosperity, safety, and peace for citizens of every race, religion, color and creed.” He promised not only that “we will bring prices down,” but that “the American Dream will soon be back and thriving like never before.” If Trump’s vision of the future is valid, then we — that is, all those who understand that race is not merely a social construct — have been wrong.
It’s possible to ignore reality — but it is not possible to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. What that means is that the real-life consequences of what the U.S. has become — racially, culturally and socially — impose unequivocal limits on the actual, lasting achievements of a Trump government. Within ten years, and most likely before the end of this second Trump administration, it will be obvious, even to most of his supporters, that the MAGA vision of a “Golden Age” for America is delusional.
In coming years, demographic reality will dispel what’s left of the naïve hopes of a Trumpian restoration, and the foolish view that the realities of biology, history, and life can be ignored. The consequences of this process will also inevitably force a shift in attitudes by White Americans about themselves and their country, especially among younger men and women who have no memory of a time when the U.S. was still an overwhelmingly White nation.
As White Americans become an ever smaller part of the U.S. population, our people will be increasingly forced to acknowledge their declining influence and status, and will be compelled to face the consequences of living as a dwindling minority in the country that was once theirs. Only then will large numbers of White Americans begin to organize in earnest to battle for the rights and interests of our people.
A great change in attitudes among White Americans is coming. As history shows, such a change can happen quickly when the new outlook is in line with sensibilities that already exist, but which have been dormant and unexpressed. Where conditions like those in today’s America existed in the past, similar shifts have taken place quickly.
The history of our own country provides an instructive example. When prominent Americans from the 13 colonies met together in late 1774 as the “Continental Congress,” they still regarded themselves as loyal to Britain and the English king. Their identity was still first and foremost that of British subjects. At that time, George Washington — a delegate at that assembly — was “well satisfied’ that independence from Britain was not “desired by any thinking man in all North America.” As late as July 1775, that is, even after the bloody clashes between colonial militiamen and British soldiers in Massachusetts at Lexington and Concord, as well as at Bunker Hill near Boston, the Continental Congress denied “any designs of separation from Great Britian and establishing independent states.”
But attitudes about identify were changing. By the summer of 1776, a view that just a year earlier had been considered unthinkable was now acceptable, at least to a determined minority of White Americans. In July 1776, the Continental Congress delegates ratified and signed the Declaration of Independence, and thereby proclaimed a new identity for the White people of the former 13 colonies. It was only after five years of suffering and privation in a bloody struggle that often seemed hopeless, and in which support from a foreign country proved decisive, that British military power was broken, thereby securing the future of the new republic.
More importantly, all those who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776, or who debated and signed the U.S. Constitution of 1787, unanimously regarded the new country as a White people’s republic. This new identity took hold quickly because it fit well with changed conditions, and because it expressed a latent but suppressed sensibility.
In spite of decades of egalitarian propaganda and social conditioning, most White Americans today still have an instinctive sense of “Whiteness.” On a certain level, most White Americans already realize, however unclearly, that there is no secure and hopeful future for themselves and their children and grand-children in a non-White, Third-World society. That dim awareness is manifest in how we live and act. For decades, White Americans have shown in their behavior that they prefer to live among, and associate with, people who are like themselves. Even those who claim to love “diversity” move away from neighborhoods that become too non-White.
All the same, most White Americans today are still loyal to the U.S.A., and hope that somehow this increasingly diverse and divided entity can still be held together. For most of our people, a future without the U.S.A. is simply unimaginable. That’s understandable, of course. After all, for most of the nearly 250 years that the U.S. has existed, this country’s saga has been a historically unparalleled one of prosperity, innovation, expansion, hegemony, and success.
For reasons already mentioned, only a minority of White Americans today are more concerned about the future of our people than they are about the future of the United States. Because most White Americans today more or less accept that forthrightly affirming our heritage and identity is somehow shameful or embarrassing, they are not yet ready to support candidates who openly defend White interests. As a result, not a single openly, unapologetically pro-White public figure holds elected office right now — at least on the federal level — anywhere in the country.
When we give serious consideration to just what can or should be done in political life, obviously we must take into consideration the actual feelings and attitudes of White voters. The confusion of most White Americans about what it even means to be “American,” together with their ambivalent feelings about race and identity, impose constraints on just what is possible, and not possible, for pro-White candidates. For the foreseeable future, pro-White candidates must be careful about how they express themselves, making sure not to be so explicit that they alarm voters who are afraid of “racism,” but not so timid that they betray our communitarian interests. All the same, the election record of the Trump-MAGA movement shows that millions of White Americans will vote for candidates who openly reject anti-White egalitarian policies, and thereby defend, at least implicitly, White community interests.
As the demographic trends of the past half-century continue, and as ever more White Americans better understand the consequences of those trends, they will be steadily more willing to support candidates who appeal for votes with a White version of “identity politics.” Ever more White voters will be motivated to support candidates who not only highlight and call out the deceit and hypocrisy of the politicians, educators, media masters, and business leaders promoting DEI, “affirmative action” and similar policies, but who also explain just how such policies, and the outlook behind them, harm the interests and future of White Americans.
The outreach of pro-White candidates should be cogent and reasonable, and appeal to a sense of justice and fair play. Such candidates will be all the more effective when they appeal to voters not merely with negative messaging about their opponents, but when they also present positive imagery of our own people, and messaging that inspires hope for a better future for our children. Successful pro-White candidates and activists must learn to be flexible and adaptive in tactics, while always firm and steadfast in principle. That’s not easy to do. It requires patience, self-control, and discernment — virtues that normally come only with experience and age.
In this time of accelerating change and looming challenge, our most pressing task must be to awaken the suppressed but slumbering self-awareness, confidence, and latent strength of our people. Our hopes and efforts must be directed, first and foremost, not to propping up and trying to save the multi-cultural, multi-racial U.S.A. Instead, our focus should be on the well-being and future of our people. In this struggle there will be no easy, “quick fix” victory. In fact, the battle will become more intense after Trump is gone, and the MAGA movement is history.
Happily, there are already encouraging reasons for hope and confidence.
On the intellectual front, we are already prevailing, even if that’s not yet widely understood or acknowledged. Our most formidable adversaries in the battle for ideas are not neo-Marxists or dreamy utopians, but rather the neo-conservative and neo-liberal apologists for the prevailing democratic-capitalist order. Although they defend a System that is still powerful and entrenched, they are very much on the defensive because that order is ever more obviously failing.
These defenders of what they call “democracy” want to suppress and ban popular political parties that they say are not “really” democratic. These champions of “free speech” and “tolerance” ban books, websites, and podcasts that they regard as offensive or hateful. They denounce ethno-nationalism in Hungary and Poland, but defend it in Israel. Their slogans, arguments and ideas are lackluster and uninteresting. No wonder they are increasingly regarded — especially by younger men and women — as ineffectual hypocrites.
In this struggle, we can also take heart from the important work that’s being done to lay a foundation for ultimate victory. Especially encouraging is the rise in recent years of an ever-growing number of capable, smart, and articulate younger White activists, publicists, writers, and organizers. With each passing year, these younger men and women — in our country and overseas — are turning out ever more — and ever better-quality videos — podcasts, websites, essays and books.
In this great, existential struggle of our age, our guiding spirit must not be loathing or hatred of others, but an abiding loyalty, love and devotion for the heritage and future of our own people, sustained by our vision of a secure, hopeful and durable future for our children and for generations of our people not yet born.
Mark Weber, Director of the Institute for Historical Review, is a distinguished historian, lecturer, and current affairs analyst. Mr. Weber was educated in both the United States and Europe and holds a master’s degree in modern European history.
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More wink-and-a-nod from Weber on the Jews. He just can’t bring himself to name the source of the problem. Without tackling the JQ, nothing will really change. Weber just wants us to play nice, give positive White images, and don’t be too mean to the Blacks and Hispanics. But with the Jewish Lobby actively working against White interests, only by dealing with them can get to the root of the problem. Weber is either too deluded or too cowardly to mention this. Or has he been paid off by the Jews?
Make America White Again. That is how you get a cleaner, safer, less corrupt, more prosperous country. But the likely scenario is that this country is on its way to becoming the northern version of Brazil.
Good to be talking about this stuff… thank you.
Four things I was thinking about while reading…
1) Yes, this is ALL about 1st-world vs 3rd-world… Americans need to realize that the U.S. is being systematically/methodically reduced to a 3rd-world shithole. This is precisely how ‘colonization’ was done over the past centuries… invade a region… terrorize the people/culture… slaughter their leaders… remove their history… teach their children to hate themselves and all others… etc… etc… This is precisely what is being done to all Western countries… while all the wealth goes to the colonizing ‘merchants/corporations’ and their mercenary armies who police the ‘regions’.
2) A recent book (the author was interviewed many times… need to find links)… explained that most of the global billionaire wealth comes from ‘real estate market manipulation’… using ‘mass-migration’ to induce ‘housing migration’ from lower to higher income communities (e.g. “white flight”)… where by, people living in ‘developed communities’ become alarmed at the ‘scum moving into the neighborhood’… sell their paid-for homes… take out new loans from bankers to purchase more expensive homes in ‘new fancy communities’… which ultimately impoverishes EVERYONE from the low-income to the high-income people… while the bankers make a killing printing money/loans… and ultimately own ALL the debt/assets… while parading around like white knights on white horses… while EVERYONE celebrates them… the bankers!… for being great community leaders.
3) The central emphasis of this article (while banally good)… missed the central solution… culture and the future… is ALL about the children… how they are educated. My father grew up in southern Germany and was 11 years old when the last bombs dropped on his steel mill town (Neunkirchen). He taught me and my two brothers to do everything for ourselves… by doing everything himself… he never called repair ‘men’… he fixed the cars/appliances/everything… and he made us work with him and learn. My father was hired at age 35 to start the Minerals Department for Conoco Oil Company… after having managed an underground uranium mine and developing/writing ‘the book’ and patents on slurry pipelining (i.e. transporting solids suspended in liquid in pipes) at Colorado School of Mines… so no, my father was NOT a ‘lowly worker’… he was the top-most executive (the ‘CEO’) running a division of a large multi-national oil company… he managed mines all over the world… Africa, South America, Australia, Asia, etc.. In our early teens my father had us three brothers paint the Denver house… and by the time my older brother turned 16 my father gave us the 65 Chevy Malibu station wagon… for our thriving painting business… neighbor after neighbor had us boys paint their houses… for years into the first few years of college we brothers hired/trained other kids (when they needed money)… painted hundreds of houses and many more hundreds of apartments at three different complexes (BTW… in the 70s no one EVER asked us if we had ‘insurance’). Naturally… us three brothers all went to college to learn/practice engineering.
4) Yes… corruption comes from the top… but by the mid-80s, it was already obvious that only the worst scum moved up to the top. After finishing my BS ME degree (1985) I stayed in college to get my MS ME. By then it was VERY clear how disgusting our American culture was… though I was very proud of myself… it was very clear that being a ‘producer’ had no influence in moving up the social ladder… only the worst lazy/ignorant scum moved up to ‘leader’ positions. This became obvious in high school when the girls (all of them) were only interested in standing in line to take their turns with the stud guys… while being thoroughly disgusted with average guys like me… to them I was a lowly worker with ladders sticking out the back of my old station wagon. I could have easily bought a fancy new sports car with the 10s of thousands I had in the bank… but even as a teenager… there was not a cell in my body that cared to do anything to impress the disgusting slutty white (1980s Denver, CO) ‘girls’. In graduate school… while managing the ‘robotics lab’ and as a student lab instructor… the faculty had obviously become lazy/stupid suck-ups to the obviously incompetent/corrupt administrators… and the senior-level ME undergraduates couldn’t read and write. This was when robotics/automation/computing was just starting… so MUCH could have been done… but there was NOTHING going on… nothing but the ‘Chairman’ giving tours to Mommies, Daddies and their precious little children… lying to them about what a fantastic thriving robotics/automation/computing program. As I was leaving the university after 8.5 years… the engineering administrators and faculty were all excited… they had signed loans for tens of $millions to upgrade the engineering buildings… and when I asked why they were doing that they said… “don’t you know… we have to compete with the other universities to attract students”… wow… and yet to this day… no one wonders why education costs have increased 10-20 fold.
I could go on and on… but there’s one last thing… after trying to think with this article. Notice that everything I’ve said above… was my experience living in the old white society/culture. To me it was very clear as a teenager in the 70s that white culture was totally failing. Now in my sixties… I still will watch movies/shows from the 30s/40s/50s… anything after 1960 is for me totally freakish filthy garbage… that makes me feel psychologically disoriented and ill. Anyway… there’s so much to think about… I’m hoping it will become fashionable to talk to others about these thing… but I’m currently 99.9% sure it won’t… years ago I did enjoy being able to rant to my young teenage/20s nephews/nieces… but those days are over… and they who I love so much… now think I’m crazy uncle Steve… just one of those old white racist extremists who are the “biggest threat to homeland security”… wow… my whole life… this freak show just gets freakier and freakier.
My experiences mirror yours, when it comes to doing not only repairs but systems installations myself, both for myself, family and friends and others.
I have never paid a “professional” to do what I could do for myself. From electrical to plumbing, HVAC and other systems, I’ve always been able to “get things done”. From building computers (pre-micro-computer days) writing device drivers and programming, to “souping up” cars with engine rebuilding, changes and tuning, I’ve had quite an interesting lifetime.
I have been extremely inquisitive during my whole lifetime and always took on challenges and have been extremely successful in “getting things done” to this very day.
Although I am getting up in age, I still do whatever I can within my present physical limitations. Being a voracious reader has expanded my horizons beyond that of the typical white drone who is always reminded “don’t do this at home” and “professionals only” which I scoff at. There is nothing I cannot do…
I have had intense discussions with everyone from high-school dropout to university-educated PhDs. When I reveal the fact that I do not have a college education, they are somewhat surprised. My breadth of knowledge comes from a lifetime of reading, discerning truth and an intense desire to learn, learn, learn–a lifetime requirement.
Nowadays, the internet actually makes it easier to do things for one’s self, youtube and other video sources which are based on the works of others with similar experiences.
I cringe when I hear of a teenager or adult male who cannot change a car tire or perform basic household repairs.
I’ve always attempted to interact and teach young people, some of which are receptive, but far too many who are not interested.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. It is truly appreciated.
Best regards,
Well if you avoided a lot of movies in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. You’ve missed out on some damn good cinema.
Sad but true. The real “third rail” of US public discussion, much less political discussion, is the reality of Jewish power and Jewish hostility to whites and Jewish sponsoring of white replacement.
We must seriously consider secession. It is impossible to save the USA. Especially since half the empire doesn’t want to be saved. Genes are what makes a nation. If wishful thinking made a country like the USA then emigrants would have made their own nations like this.
Bullshit on the 1st point. Colonization a few centuries ago was Western men coming to sparsely populated lands North America, Australia, New Zealand excluding Central and South America where the Spaniards and Portuguese conquered those lands. They set up new countries that the jew, negro, muslim, far eastern oriental had nothing to do with creating and now all these aliens are invading not only America and Canada but Europe as well. Just look at the mayoral race for New York, a sand nigger muslim allowed to run for mayor in our Western city or cities which these aliens are not originally from and had nothing to do with creating! Do any of you think that a muslim sand nigger would allow a Western man to run one of their cities or a nigger in africa (even though they wouldn’t know what a modern city looks like) or far eastern oriental in Asia? The answer is obvious, NO. Here’s another question do you think hundreds of millions of Western men and women would want to go live with these aliens in their countries? The answer is obvious, NO.
You’ve got to look past the USA too, it’s a failed state that’s got to be replaced. You can’t vote your way out of this. If you waste your time with electoral ceremony the criminal enterprise at the top will continue to corrupt every significant institution.
Identity politics to counter identity politics is exactly what your failed state wants, more divide and rule. You can only get the legitimacy and international solidarity you need with nondiscrimination and cultural rights. Jew supremacist genocide and aggression are history’s gravest crimes of discrimination. Shared responsibility for it forfeits US sovereignty. Invidious Jew logrolling to squeeze white goyim out of elite education is a lesser form of discrimination but still a breach of peremptory norms.
You need peoples-centered human rights. It’s how the world works now. If you can’t make your case with it chapter-and-verse you should just go home and re-enact civil war battles and fancy dress balls, you’ll only ever be a helpless goober.
I had 3 boys, and I never let them watch any Disney film made after 1966-the year that Walt Disney died.
Get real. Yours is a futile effort at erasing the spots on a leopard’s skin. Nothing doing.
George Orwell would raise an eyebrow at what Weber writes. we are living through an end of empire moment, lots of activity achiving basically F all, then a whimper and its gone.
Pity the poor feckers stuck overseas when the money runs out. nobody in Washington will be bothered to rescue them.
Most Americans who say this voted for the tyrant, sex maniac and war criminal Donald Trump.
Why not just deport everybody without a foreskin ?
It would sort out the crypto jews too.
Have a nice weekend all !
Masters At Work – Backfired (Joey Negro Club Mix)
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Awareness of the Zionist Empire’s attack on America and the world is growing. Here are three excellent discussions which are pushing forward the front lines in the information war.
Former top CIA analyst Michael Scheuer bluntly discusses how Israel is actually America’s enemy, and America is in reality at war with Israel. Interviewed by Clayton and Natalie Morris on Redacted. Highly recommended.
BOMBSHELL REPORT! ISRAEL PLANNED ATTACK ON US SOIL IN FALSE FLAG ATTEMPT? TRUTH OR LIES?
https://rumble.com/v6vd5dn-bombshell-report-israel-planned-attack-on-us-soil-in-false-flag-attempt-tru.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a
Here’s an excellent, fairly brief run-down of Israel’s packed history as a terrorist entity, by Kim Iversen. Worth sharing with people who have only heard the Zionist fairy tale.
The Ceasefire Is the Setup: What Comes After Is the Real War
https://rumble.com/v6v9g2f-the-ceasefire-is-the-setup-what-comes-after-is-the-real-war.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a
That is followed by a very interesting interview with successful forecaster Martin Armstrong. He explains how the “neocons” are behind both the Ukraine and Middle East wars, and will drive us into World War 3.
Like almost all other analysts, he probably knows “necocon” is an alternate label for Zionists, The connection between neocons and Zionists is explained by Laurent Guyenot in the section “Neoconned” in his book, available as a PDF file here:
From Yahweh to Zion
https://archive.org/details/from-yahweh-to-zion-laurent-guyenot
In short, these wars are part of the Jewish supremacist mafia’s push for global domination, as laid out in the Torah, the Talmud, and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Third, here’s an insightful explanation of the Iranian thinking regarding the Zionist threat to the region. Palestinian-Syrian journalist and TV host Laith Marouf interviewed by Rachel Blevins. Quite moving, informative. Highly recommended.
‘Iran WON the War. The U.S. HUMILIATED Itself in Front of the World’
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And we must note that a full-spectrum attack on our society would include stoking internal conflicts in a divide & conquer strategy.
This would be facilitated by operations to induce people to deny their own common sense. An example would be convincing people to accept men’s bodies in women’s sports leagues. The whole purpose of Women’s leagues is so that people in women’s bodies do not have to compete with people in men’s bodies. The purpose has never had anything to do with how people feel inside, and it never will. That is an entirely bogus rationale based on appealing to people’s sympathies.
Playing on people’s sympathies is a common tactic to get people to ignore reason, even to the extent of ignoring their common sense.
As another example, Zionist Alejandro Mayorkas’ orchestrated, government-funded, massive importation of completely unvetted migrants, with its criminals and child sex trafficking, could be a part of such a full-spectrum war.
We need to rip out the Jewish financial mafia, and add security measures to protect our government from such corruption, and protect our economy from such monopolies. Give our democracy a chance.
Then let the whites make more kids by getting biblical…
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/can-a-man-have-many-wives/
I’m not as familiar with the variety of tasks as you, but I’m a big believer in self sufficiency. If I can handle it myself, or figure out how to handle it, I do. I think a lot of camping helped foster that attitude.
I was disappointed when I heard high schools no longer had shop classes.
I was lucky to have an English teacher who got me to see you could craft and polish writing like in woodworking.
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A “Guiding spirit” is not what I would call a “plan of procedure.” There never is set forth a plan of procedure. Of course not. Who wants to host a “knock and talk”? And worse; much worse.
Graham Greene wrote that a man’s life has a point of no return. (He added that most men do not recognize it at the time.) I believe that this also applies to societies. It is finished. 5,000 years to get where it did, and then it unraveled in the course of two or three generations. I am old, and it was my own stupid generation that blew it. I apologize, for what it ‘s worth.
My advice as an old guy who remembers 1958 is the exact opposite of the essay:…Surrender….Keep your head down. Find an enclave in which you and your descendants can live-out your lives as pleasantly (i.e,, mirroring 1958) as possible.
My good man, I’m sorry to break the news to you but people differ. Not everyone is physically and mentally suited to mechanical work. You (presumably) are; others are naturally inclined to intellectual, verbal, or organizational pursuits and can serve society, if they choose to, in ways you could not match.
Placing mechanical aptitude above all other abilities is reverse snobbery.
America’s ills are imposed by the Jews. Once the Jews are removed from America, all Americans will prosper and America will rise again. The evil must be eradicated first. Otherwise, it is empty talk produced by self-induced ignorance.
The US is not going to stop being a multiracial, multicultural society. The only solution is for whites to create their own homeland, or — as a second-best option — try to relocate to white countries that don’t allow nonwhite immigration or that are instituting policies of nonwhite remigration.
Denmark and Sweden are instituting policies of remigration. As far as I can tell, Belarus has virtually no nonwhites. Hungary (unfortunately, Orban is very pro-Israel) closed its borders to nonwhite migration a long time ago. Russia has a tradition of carving out enclaves for different groups, including one for Jews (Birobidzhan) that the Jews never took any interest in. Russia has welcomed white South African farmers and recently announced a policy of welcoming young families who don’t want to raise their children in the woke West. Serbia, Slovenia and some other Eastern European countries might be a long-term possibility, especially if the EU collapses. Likewise, Ireland. In Latin America, Argentina might be a place to consider.
We might see some wars, civil wars and economic collapses that open up other possibilities. Whites in the US should work with whites in other countries to create a critical mass of potential citizens for a new white homeland, because the overall percentage of whites who will be interested is likely to be very small.
Our political problems cannot be solved if we cannot solve our cultural problems. We must look at why so many whites are happy to serve their Jewish masters and allow themselves to be exterminated. The answer is clear, but few will accept it.
It also wouldn’t hurt to correspond with and learn from other groups seeking greater independence: Quebecois in Canada; Flemings and Walloons in Belgium; Catalans in Spain; Palestinians wherever they might be found; Native Americans in the US and Canada; Boers in South Africa; Kurds in Turkey, Iran and Syria; Uyghurs inside and outside of China; etc.
We should educate ourselves about any non-racial/non-ethnic tensions such as East Germans being fed up with woke West Germans. We should encourage all of these dissenting groups, because the more they are able to gain and normalize their own independence, the more likely we are to gain and normalize our own.
The natural state of mankind is to be separated by race, ethnicity, language and religion. This is where the whole world wants to go, and globalists have done everything they can to prevent it from happening. We should use these globalists’ tools to push them over the precipice: e.g., identity politics, the internet, AI, blockchain, and whatever else they come up with.
Who else is tired of all of the “white” whining on this site? How about when you say “our people” you actually mean Americans, instead of just white folks.
Wasn’t this a white majority country, where whites had all the power? Yes, indeed it was.
If the country turned out poorly, then who is exactly responsible for that if not the very whites who controlled the country and steered it down the path to ruin.
Perhaps if whites would have considered themselves Americans first (along with every other American of any and all races and backgrounds) instead of whites first, then maybe things would have shaped up differently for us. Whites fought against the very egalitarian ideals of their new nation from the outset. All men created equal in the eyes of our creator, remember. Was that ever truly believed or practiced?
Blame us non whites if you want to, cry over the water that has long since passed under our bridge, go ahead and pretend that you can turn back the hands of time if you want to, but none of that will help any of us in the long run.
Impressive. Very nice. But what do you think about the jews?
Biden – greets spirits by shaking their hands.
Trump – can’t find his way out of the nursery.
The ONLY, ONLY, ONLY way that Amerika will be saved, is by a 2nd American Revolution..! You must abolish the system, NOT work within it.
As in the book, “ It Can’t Happen Here” (Sinclair Lewis ..1935), a governor (Buzz Windrip) becomes president, and proceeds to re-make America in the same image as National Socialism, in Germany. Or, a Huey Long, Gov. George C. Wallace, comes along and incites the white people of America…! As for Donald Trump…well…?
I’ve been involved in a local citizens’ group which got its start during the covid insanity. The danger of an untested “vaccine” was the initial source of anger and concern. Interest has, however, gradually faded and it has proved to be difficult to broaden our focus and generate individual creativity, though there is a small group still interested in larger systemic problems.
Trump was very popular here but I don’t know if he has lost any favor as a result of his anemic approach to extrication from the Ukraine insanity and his ardent embrace of war with the Iranians who simply can’t be allowed to continue in an unreformed, unuplifted state. His slobbering over the Israelis is stunning and our otherwise excellent House member sees Israel as our indispensable ally in the ME. A local town hall meeting reacted very negatively to a mild question about the utility of our involvement there. The dispensationalist kungfu was strong.
Personally, I believe it’s a certainly that Trump does not understand his historic opportunity to do anything like Milei in Argentina and will instead engage in pointless, petty battles of trifles.
So our very pleasant community is not in a state of ferment. I am hesitant to be more forthright about anti-white racism and Jewish control/hostility which for us is more of a problem in other areas, though there is awareness. Suffice it to say it’s my judgment that there’s a danger of driving past my headlights. I think it’s important to read the room. The group exists now and that’s an important achievement.
The excellent Mr. Weber spoke of the sudden sea change in opinion in the Colonies and I’ve often marvelled at the Great Awakenings in the 19th century that were so spontaneous and widespread. No doubt an organic phenomenon that was a part of the intellectual, spiritual, political, and technological ferment of those times. Overall, nothing destructive.
Progressivism and revolutionary movements were ghastly developments and the 20th century soon demonstrated the destructiveness made possible by the “modern,” the pathetic faith in popular sovereignty, and the failure of all people to understand, let alone resist, the slide into totalitarian horror. I’m with the Jehovah’s Witnesses who think WWI conclusively demonstrated that man cannot govern himself. Close enough. All that Glorious Revolution stuff was just garbage.
Nor can Westerners grasp the malevolence, stupidity, and cowardice of their governing classes in effecting currency debasement, lunatic spending, regime change, reckless/pointless/ruinous military adventurism, cultural degradation, massive third-world invasion, the total propaganda state, stunning surveillance, endless regulation, educational manipulation and failure, deliberate economic destruction, ruination of women, vicious censorship, abandonment of the young, and the profound hostility of and exploitation by the Jews. Multiculturalism, climate change, white racism, the excellent of perversion and drug addiction, the uniqueness of the holocaust, our BFFs the Jews, our pristine democratic system, the unique and unsurpassed evil of old 88, and the self-evident evil of “the right” are some of the major propaganda themes that wash over Westerners every minute of their lives. Not to mention the utter silence about Jewish bolshevism.
But I think our Herb Stein moment will soon be on our doorstep. Our mix of armaments is fatally wrong. Our military behemoths are easily destroyed or neutralized now and anti-missile and -air munitions are hugely expensive and cannot be expended for long in a conflict of any moderately extended duration. Debt service is the monster in the closet, as are the unfunded liabilities of SS and Medicare. Private pensions are in perilous condition and taxes to sustain public employee pensions drive business away. The young, if they’re employed, will increasingly balk at contributing to Boomer retirement.
So, in short, nothing of the optimism and not-so-damaging experimentation of the Great Awakenings now. But much now that is dark and dismaying. The grand movement to greater enlightenment and self government of before is now a greasy, petty exercise in the modern police state. One can only have contempt for Ardern, Merkel, Macron, Rutte, von der Leyen, Starmer, Trudeau, Carney, Newsom, Pelosi, Collins, Harris, Timmermans, Obama, Bush, McConnell, McCain, Hochul, Hobbs, Soros, Adelson, and Pocahantas. Buffoons, grifters, and bottom feeders all. As much a part of anything resembling Western civilization as your nearest drag queen professor.
An economically stable US would probably see whites diminish and disappear. But that is not possible. At a minimum fiscal sanity is an utter impossibility so collapse is inevitable as debt and malinvestment soar and bubbles blow. A moderate interruption in fuel, electricity, and food delivery will cause panic and a mass, hopeless attempt to abandon the cities. Millions will be caught with no food reserves and but one tank of gas if they’re lucky. If the vileness of our governing class is not apparent by then it soon will be. Maybe a new beginning will be possible then after evaporation of urban populations. Short of that, secession is our only option.
‘In his inaugural address of January, Donald Trump promised, “America will soon be greater, stronger, and far more exceptional than ever before.”’ — Mark Weber
Funny, that’s exactly what Obama — a figure regularly castigated by Trump — said: ‘I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.’
America is exceptional, in that it’s a rare example of a dominant nation subverted from within by an alien state within a state.
Apparently this happened once before, when Christianity gained a hold on the Roman empire and promulgated the Jewish hate literature it calls the Old Testament.
Within a couple of centuries, the Roman empire was gone. One would be surprised if the termite-ridden US empire, colonized from within by warmongering neocon Jews, lasts even another generation.
Meanwhile, Mark Weber serves as a white nationalist rodeo clown, diverting readers from the essential issue of Jewish subversion with his fantasies about white solidarity.
White nationalists who won’t deign to address the JQ are cucks.
I lived in European nations for about the first half of my life, and 25 years in Brazil for the second. I’m now 63, and wouldn’t dream of leaving this wonderful country, so rich in culture and nature, so free of haters, dumb bigots, and warmongers. The USA becoming like Brazil? Americans can dream on, I suppose.
Wasn’t this equally as delusional as you charge MAGA and Trump supporters of being? There were millions of Blacks kept in bondage at the time of the Declaration’s signing. In order for this “White people’s republic” to sustain itself, it would be necessary to keep said Blacks in servitude by force of violence and other deprivations such as denial of education and capital formation. It would only be a matter of time before the enslaved themselves would force an end to that situation. Mind you, Blacks have been in the USA since before the founding, so by virtue of the fact of their presence, this indicates that any resolution to the current crisis of America must include a realistic and viable political and economic answer to the persistence of the Black population. This solution would entail real political representation and economic control of certain sectors of the economy. Hiding one’s head in the sand behind “Whiteness” is not going to help.
Of course whites are going to seek out inclusion with other whites if they have all of the wealth and resources locked in their communities. Resources have been systematically circulated within those white enclaves and kept from Blacks. The justification for this is provided by tropes such as low relative IQ and crime stats. However, white people coalesce because government policy dictates that the vast majority of wealth and resources be exclusively distributed among these white enclaves and investment into similarly situated Black enclaves is denied. The policy has a name, and it is called “benign neglect“. An example of how this disinvestment negatively affects a socioeconomic zone is in the rust belt, where we saw a rise in white drug use, criminality, listlessness, family breakdown. When it happens to whites, it is “civilizational collapse because of the Jews“, when it happens to Blacks it is because of their own low IQs, laziness, and genetic predisposition to commit “crimes”. Furthermore, this preference you claim of “living among each other” didn’t prevent Europeans from fleeing their homelands to set-up colonies around the world. It also doesn’t prevent porn addicted white men from finding an Asian Kewpie doll to bring back into these white enclaves without any of her natural protectors and providers anywhere around or in any position of power to threaten white male control in these places. This is not so much a criticism, but it is to point out that every society will need a group of males with power and resources if that society is to survive and thrive. White people don’t want ANY other population to be configured in that way unless whites control, influence, or have the power to destroy it at will.
It looks like a two step process.
The first step is to have it clear who “our people” are. Until recently this was easy. It was the people who had been living in a particular geographical area for the last thousand years or so and who spoke the same language. For example the French shared the same ethnicity, spoke French and lived in their homeland (France). The identity of “our people” was clear.
The second step (which absolutely depends on getting the first step right) is to implement purposeful policies based on a coherent worldview grounded in reality. Some countries achieve this while some don’t. Some political systems promote development while others don’t.
China 1980 – 2025 is a fine example of getting both steps right.
1) They have no doubts about the identity of “our people”
2) They have developed purposeful policies for their people based on a coherent worldview grounded in reality.
A basic idea for them is the development of the full potential of their people (at all levels) and getting the most capable people into top government (no voting) and private industry (hyper-competitive capitalist model).
Can the US duplicate this starting from now?
The answer is no. So it’s not a question of MAGA. It’s more a question of WAS (Will America Survive)*
* There is the wild card of AI where the US billionaire elite still have a lead over China and aim to use it to augment their own wealth/power/control – nothing to do with benefiting the American public.
were whites really subverted, or did they just sell out to zion?
Jews were the financial power of the British empire and were involved in the creation of every Anglo colonial state.
This obvious non-European nails it:
(comment #26, Fed Up, https://www.unz.com/article/our-people-or-america-looking-beyond-trump/#comment-7187456)
Very True. It’s funny that people don’t know what America is. America is a Masonic Construct!!!! Fed Up has it right—Anglo-Saxons left the Catholic Church en masse, and Judaized with Protestantism which is actually Gnosticism, and adopted Jewish ways and Freemasonry which is built on the ideology of Jewish Messianism!!!
Follow the Symbols to understand man’s reality. There is NO Christian symbology; the whole thing is Masonic/Illuminati Symbology and phrases. It SAYS RIGHT THERE: NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.
Duh!!!
America is a REJECTION of the Old World–of Traditional European customs and traditions!!!!!!!
General Cornwallis, Mason (1791)
https://henrymakow.com/nwo_introduced_under_masonic_g.html
General Cornwallis’ prophecy has come true! The churches have all adopted Political Correctness, Social Justice which is Cultural Marxism; the whole of Christianity has Judaized!
George Washington, Mason said:
America is the seat of World Revolution! Look, he predicted the European Union over two hundred years ago!
Handout: The Revolutionary character of George Washington and America
https://academia.edu/105355837/
George Washington was a Duplicitous character! Freemasonry is about “removing the accidental divisions of mankind” and ending social prejudices. (q.v. Fr. Gruber’s excellent article “Masonry” at the online 1910 Catholic Encylopædia https://newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm specifically section III.)
Masons are Noahides. General Ludendorff called Masons “pseudo-Jews”. Noahidism is Judaism Lite for the goyim.
George Washington ordered the mixing of black troops with white troops, forbidding the creation of a Black Corps. — race-mixing, Judeo-Masonic Doctrine!
Masons and Communists work toward the same goals: a World Republic, World Unity, (i.e. rebuilding the Tower of Babel) advancing (modern) republicanism which was actually ideological democracy which one part, was getting rid of the kings of the earth.
And Anglo-Saxon Protestants turned to the Jews; the Puritans were readers of the Kabbala! Pick up Eric Nelson’s book The Hebrew Republic, Jewish Sources and the Transformation of European Political Thought. The Anglo-Saxon Protestants turned to the Jews–and learned from the Mishnah that “kings are idolatry” and were proud to call themselves “Talmudic Commonwealthsmen”!!!
So Fed Up is Right—The Anglo-Saxon DID THIS TO HIMSELF. He listened to the Counsel of the Ungodly, the Jews and adopted their Utopian ideology thru Freemasonry. The Anglo-Saxon needs to reject America in all of its trappings. America is a Masonic construct. As the Prophet Jeremiah, 6:16, has taught–
That seems right. The US is on the way to being a racially Anglo-Latino society.
People on UNZ don’t like it but the 1950’s are definitively gone and Anglo-Latino America is the new reality – and it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Latinos mostly aspire to be Americans, they value family and Christianity and are ready to do much of the necessary low grade work that keeps the US running.
However, true integration takes time.
For example, when the population of the British Isles spoke Welsh (with some Gaelic), things only changed when the Germanic Angles and Saxons invaded (5th century A.D.) bringing Germanic dominance and their own language (English).
Nowadays the native British are basically an ethnic mixture of Old English Welsh/Celts and Anglo/Saxons with no one paying any attention to the history (there are some traces in surnames). Successful integration took a few hundred years for a stable outcome.
Weber has no useful suggestions, and his pollyanna view of the future is harmful. Yankees will never change their views. Many just move South, while their girls rut with the niggers, and those that stay in Yankeedom and are older just die off. They have ruined Texas already.
ZUS is a big place. There is a place for us even in the long run. Not a large place, certainly not all of it. Three or four Southern States, maybe as many as Seven, we can conquer. Allow the dark ones to move North or West, but definitely out, all of them and especially the Jews.
The Whites in Alabama and Mississippi are not at all like the Whites in Maine or Minnesota or New York or any State in yankeeland. The Yankees need to just disappear from history. From the Whites in the Deep South can be formed a remnant. The key to success will be expelling the Jews, outlawing freemasonry, and enacting Usury laws and Usury police, especially the cancellation of all debts on the seventh year.
The obvious answer is ‘our people’ (das Volk) — culture and everything it encompasses, civilization itself really, is downstream from race — so it is vastly more important to save the white race, the various white ethnic groups, rather then the polity known as the United States of America (‘muh Constitution’).
This kind of article frustrates me — racial nationalists, including anyone who poses a question like this, are literally re-inventing the wheel — overall, the greatest racial nationalist of the modern era was William Luther Pierce — he talked about these matters with urgency and conviction for decades, and he outspokenly ‘named the Jew’ — a contemporary of Jared Taylor, WLP was a superior intellect, yet he is barely remembered and hardly ever mentioned.
Still today the most important task is to overcome the malevolence of the media, and get more Whites to stop fearing the issue of race, and see how harmful the absurd dogma of racial egalitarianism is — to convince them that racial differences are real, significant, and irremediable — that not only do they face a menacing future as minorities in their own nations, but handing over the civilization created for them by their forebears will be a shameful betrayal.
A few links to resources below the more tag.
Revilo Oliver’s three part review of the William Gayley Simpson book Which Way Western Man? — read and listen to part 1, part 2, part 3.
The American Dissident Voices broadcasts The Big Picture (links to text and audio here) and Conditioning for Death (text, listen or download the audio here) — an excerpt from the latter:
Oh, how we were raised to embrace our exceptional culture only to find out later in life how shallow it has become.
The US is already like Brazil. Our major cities are only viable insofar as suburban white people support their function, while the urban dark people live in toxic ghettoized wastelands (favelas). We’ve now reached the point at which the producers are so overwhelmed with burdensome moochers that society itself is no longer tenable (Mamdani’s New York). Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Many Trump supporters have gone in to a state of disappointment.
Clearly evident by their comments that they no longer look at the news anymore.
No discussion or review of events. No more.Got what they voted for.
That’s telling,if you think about it,or even if you don’t.
You might try Segregation and Apartheid sometime. It works wonders.
Him and Reagan meant “make america great again. For rich corporate fatcats.”
Ever watch Schumer and his landsmen politicians lie with deceit whenever they address the public? Then we have the AOC types whose only achievement in office is to yell and scream for their crazy constituents. Both corrupt as hell.
This is what is driving our politics at the national and certain municipal cities.
Do you want to know how far we have come as a nation and where we are now? Think about the Washington’s, Jefferson’s and Adam’s that moved and shook our nation. Now consider our hero’s today – Diddy, Oprah, Snoop Dog and all those Schumers. We’ve come a long way.
This guy is too giddy with his slobbering praise for Coney-Barrett and the three “conservatives” on the court that Trump installed. The only reliable judges on the SCOTUS have been Thomas and Alito. This “win” is more like a stopped clock being right only twice a day than a positive trend. The Roberts court has failed in every way for years during our national crises. Just a short time ago the court broke precedent by expeditiously saving illegal aliens from deportation but had allowed a fraudulent “election” to stand and kept J6ers unjustly in prison for years without concern.
It’s a different world out there. Post WWII up through the ’70s, things were fixable by the average man with the usual tools. But that’s not the case, today.
Home repairs? In my county, to be legal, you need a government certificate to install a water heater, along with an after installation inspection. Who is going to do that, in their spare time, when all they have is weekend ‘free’ time? So you hire a licensed plumber to do the deed.
In the ’50s and ’60s, if you wanted music, you could build a hi-fi system with soldering iron. Kit’s from Dyna, Scott, Eico, and so forth. Lets say that now you want to stream digital. Are you going to build a digital to analog converter at your kitchen table?
When I was growing up we did all car maintenance. Pack wheel bearings, points n plugs, etc. New cars now require specialized diagnostic equipment, and you can’t even reach what used to be user replaceable parts. Change the tire? Many cars now come with ‘run flats’.
The days of HS ‘Shop’ for boys and ‘Home-Ec’ for girls are long gone. You can wish it was different, but it’s not. It’s just the way it is.
In coming years, demographic reality will dispel what’s left of the naïve hopes of a Trumpian restoration, and the foolish view that the realities of biology, history, and life can be ignored.
Yes. Let’s not forget the corrosive effects of feminism on American society. If ALL nonwhite immigration were ended permanently tomorrow, American nonwhites would continue to outbreed American whites because American white women march in the streets for the right to kill babies rather than produce offspring for the white race.
White society can exist just fine without female state troopers, female astronauts, and female soldiers. It cannot exist without producing white children in greater numbers than nonwhite children..
You nailed it. Without recognizing Jewish hostility toward whites (more like hatred) and Jewish success in bringing about white replacement, it’s pointless because Americans never see it coming. All the bad stuff destroying society just happens. No one is responsible.
The best we can hope for in the short run is Congress passing that bill making “anti-Semitism,” such as mentioning the Jews’ crimes in Gaza, a crime. That law will immediately find its way into the courts and public debate about why Jews, and only Jews, are above criticism.
Well, this is what happens when a senile, demented puppet installed as a figurehead appoints a grotesque African bitch-ape to the highest court in the nation and expects her to rule on our white Founders’ Constitution.
Mark Weber is one of a sadly short line of heroes. Others include George Lincoln Rockwell, William Pierce, and David Duke.
All these men were rejected. All these men were despised. The overwhelming majority of white Americans rejected these men. The overwhelming majority of white Americans despised these men.
The overwhelming majority of white Americans who know of Mark Weber’s existence reject him. The overwhelming majority of white Americans who know of Mark Weber’s existence despise him.
In his speech Mr. Weber correctly describes the dethroning (the “total obliteration”) of American whites and the Fata Morgana of Donald Trump.
He goes on to paint a rosy picture of a heroic age to come.
Three years ago I commented on this website:
Let me expand that comment:
Whites have been trounced good and proper. They’re not ‘coming back.’
Mr. Weber is propagating one more in a long line of Fata Morganas.
Go back to sleep, yall.
International Jewry fears the nation state, and wants to rule the World, which they believe is justified by their superiority. That is the reason for their policies. It really is as simple as that.
Maine and Massachusetts elect man-hating dykes as governors, and both of these dykes are just itching to turn their states into another NY, itself ruled over by a crazed old feminazi whose diet consists largely of psych meds.
“Its not a bad thing”
lol some of you here are pathetic. Talk about defeatist. That’s a defeatist mentality. You think I like having to learn someone else’s fucking language in my own country? Piss off with that “it’s not a bad” thing bullshit. You can’t replace your own people with people from everywhere else. There are many different Latin American countries already, but only ONE America exist and your sitting here talking like you’re perfectly fine with the United States becoming another one of their countries… Just because they “want to be Americans.” If that was half as true they wouldn’t be speaking their own language anymore. They would get off their sorry asses and learn some goddamn English, and job ads wouldn’t be demanding that people learn their damn language. You are full of crap.
Whats the point of Brazil, Columbia, Ecudor, Chile, Venezuela, Peru, and all those other places with Central and Latin American people if they are going to just turn the U.S. into those places? What is the damn point in any of these other countries? These people all have THEIR OWN NATIONS TO GO TO! But instead they are here to turn the U.S. into the very places they came from? I got cancer reading that garbage from you.
I find this article great.
Please, visit Mark Weber’s”https://IHR.org” (Institute for historical review) and listen to weekly podcasts on Guide to Kulchur if you need more clarity.
Forget what is wrong and what can and cannot be corrected, and who is or is not to blame.
A prudent man on a sinking ship does not waste time analyzing the catastrophe. He jumps on a life raft and fucks off.
Any resident of the US so able needs to jump on a plane and fuck off.
If you are single or a childless couple, then have very few possessions, own nothing, rent and move from country to country as your tourist visas allow.
If you have dependent kids you will have to think some more.
That way if conditions become unfavourable where you are you can leave. Take a page from the Jews in Israel who are fleeing the country like frightened rodents.
They know what is coming down ! You should too and you are a fool to fool yourself that after Trumpy the country will become a utopia.
Fourth horseman…you are out of your mind or worse. Weber has been at it 30 years doing great work.
Joe Webb
‘You might try Segregation and Apartheid sometime. It works wonders.’ — quasi_verbatim
That’s what the Israelis tell me.
But it’s all on our dime. 🙁
Anyone who aspires to be American is subhuman garbage. That’s why Latinxs and pajeets are so revolting. Both want to integrate to Americanness.
Palantir Framed Iran
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You probably need to seek psychological counselling for your mental health condition.
So, you are denying the enormous benefits of women’s liberation that feminism has brought to American women, freed from the yoke of the patriarchate and finally able to realize themselves?!
Think of the millions of them who are now developing their full potential as checkout cashiers in supermarkets rather than staying home, raising babies and, as Hillary Clinton memorably put it, baking cookies!
Think of the dark ignorance they had been kept in: it was only due to feminism and women’s liberation they found out that they were not just men’s intellectual equals but their superiors because they have “emotional intelligence.”
George Bush would have been the last GOP President if Trump had not come along. He was able to bring older white Democrat voters into the mix and win those swing states by small margins. Once Trump is gone and the new non-White demographics come more into play, socialism is around the corner.
The writer forgets to mention that whiteness has also created a lot of failures. The domination and subjugation of the non-white world was wrong, even though it lifted the standard of living and power for whiteness for a few centuries. The lives lost and the wealth wasted in trying to keep most of the world down, has removed any moral claims of exceptionalism. If we look lately, the white legacy has been deindustrialization, the ignoring of global warming, ignoring of international law by adopting a “rules-based” international order and a combination of anger/envy towards countries that compete with them. Instead of reinvesting in the economies of North America and Europe we get this claim for “Greatness” and making the country great again – without even defining what “Greatness” is. Is it overthrowing governments that won’t do as they are told? Is it vetoing UN sanctions against a country that is committing genocide? What does whiteness offer the world?
Wallace was a complete fraud and anti-white traitor scum
We’re around the same age and I’m also the “white racist uncle” to both my American and Portuguese nieces (who act so superior about it), but not so much to my American and Portuguese nephews who understand the reality that lies behind my “racist” reasoning.
Is a People who are not conscious of themselves as a People actually a People? Do conditions exist in the United States that will enable the creation of this consciousness–i.e., the Beer Halls of early 20th century Bavaria, the working and living conditions of late 19th century and early 20th century urban European life? The most successful cultural and political mobilization of white ethnic identity in modern history (Germany) ended in the destruction of that country at the hands of a global coalition of other nations (the U.S., England, France) who also share that identity.
The Poetic Edda says that at the end of the current epoch, the last children of the North will be hiding in the last Forest (Hoddmímis holt); and that a swarthy Giant from the Global South will burn Valhalla. The Edda suggests that during this period, no man will be able to trust another. I sympathize with Mr. Weber’s perspective, and I agree that President Trump is a half-hearted fraud who is simply winding up the gears of history for a massive anti-white counter-reaction. But I do not agree that any white political consciousness will cohere in time to prevent the destruction of our culture and way of life. The strongest evidence for that is the Second World War.
Yes, Jews are a problem – here’s the real problem – CHURCHIANITY!
Blaming Jews for being Jews is like blaming termites for being termites – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2022/10/propaganda-lifeblood-of-dasynagogue-of.html?m=0 – what this summary explains is the spiritual forces operating behind all the enablers of DaSoS, many who are pew sitters and pulpit dispensers – churchianity!
If you decide to dig deeper into this subject, be sure to word search ‘The gap in understanding” and/or “Are we governed by humans?”
Remember Sun Tzu: “In a war, we cannot win if we do not understand BOTH ourselves and our enemy!”
The REAL ENEMY!
My presence on the internet started in 2015 and was originally triggered by my curiosity about the interrelationships of the major institutions in our lives like government, religion, politics and culture – http://www.crushlimbraw.com – very simply, whoever controls the culture controls EVERYTHING! It literally became a study in REALITY! You’re free to join.
I realize that there are those who do not have the physical ability to change a tire or do other household tasks but that is a very small minority who DO deserve help to do such things.
That being said, not only am I mechanically inclined, I study history, philosophy, and other esoteric subjects as well and am a well-versed “freethinker” who questions EVERYTHING…a Renaissance man of sorts (so I have been told by others).
I especially like working with young people who have not yet had their natural-born inquisitiveness bred out of them by disinterested parents or caregivers.
When a young person’s face “lights up”, having accomplished a somewhat difficult or strenuous task, that is all I need. Satisfaction achieved by both teacher and student…of LIFE…
Can anyone recommend an article on the Great Replacement that would be a good introduction for someone just starting to awaken to it’s reality?
I’ve studied judaism at length and have come to the conclusion that judaism itself fosters mental illness in almost all jews.
From the infant male genital mutilation with metzitzah b’peh (STD transfer from mohel to infant) concluding the “mutilation” to the dichotomy that jews are “supreme beings” over the rest of humanity while being perpetual “victims” supposedly just for being jews, ignoring their obnoxious supremacist behavior, it is easy to see that most jews are indeed mentally “f#cked up”. This inability to resolve the dichotomy between supremacy and victimhood is a major factor in jewish behavior–mental illness, indeed.
There is only one solution. The establishment of a jewish “pale of settlement” permanent irreversible expulsion with exports extremely limited. Jews who wish to conform to gentile society standards are welcome, but those who do not should be identified and dealt with.
Judaism is a cancer on the civilized world that has metastasized.
Even the citizens of Cyprus are becoming aware of the jewish cancer with the influx of jews which has already spread to Cyprus. Cyprus should pass laws prohibiting jews from owning land or establishing permanent residence. Give the jews 7 days to leave…
Don’t be so quick to criticize the CUFI’s and evangelicals you call churchianity. After all, Crush, if they didn’t stand up for the Jews’ genocide of the Palestinians, their leaders wouldn’t be flying private jets and living in mansions, now would they? And how could their preachin’ be wrong when there’s the Isaeli flag on the stage for the Sunday variety show featuring comedy and women dressed in cocktail dresses singing hymns that sound more like orgasm than what most of us would associate with piety? Hallelujah, brother Crush, hallelujah. It’s America’s new religion, and its relationship to the Synagogue of Satan is the same as that of its predecessor Freemasonry to the Kabbalah.
Ice…
ships…
ships and ice…
Why do I keep thinking of ships and ice?
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Oh, well. Back to work.
Just look at those deck chairs!
Mark Weber didn’t gain control of Holocaust Revisionism’s premier truth-telling website “Institute of Historical Review” because of his talent and dedication to truth, but because of his cowardly nature and willingness to cuck to powerful & filthy rich Jews. Don’t doubt it – Weber is in the service of world-wide Jewry and protecting it’s strongest, most essential bargaining chip: the holohoax scam. The details of how the IHR was sold out by Mark Weber can be found at my website here: https://carolynyeager.net/unforgivable-sins-mark-weber. For further insight into how Mark Weber operates, also read https://carolynyeager.net/everything-greg-johnson-knows-about-holocaust-revisionism-he-learned-mark-weber. This shows you how Weber works to influence the so-called White Nationalists in our “Truth Movement.”
Another prominent, respected White Nationalist who refuses to go full measure with Holocaust Revisionism (now called Holocaust Denial, a term I accept) is Kevin MacDonald https://carolynyeager.net/kevin-macdonald-record-saying-whether-holocaust-actually-happened-%E2%80%9Cnot-important%E2%80%9D. Kevin and Mark are on very good, collegial terms, attending/speaking at many of the same conferences along with other American moderates such as southerners James Edwards and Sam Dickson.
Why is “Holocaust Denial” too radical for these cucks? Fear of the Jews. Simple as that. Fear of Jewish power — look what it did to David Irving. Also to Fred Leuchter. But my position is this: tho some fall by the wayside, it takes a continuous assault by strong minds to break the power of the Lie, the Big Lie. And so we cannot be faint-hearted. Mark Weber is a perfect example of the faint-hearted. He is no one to look up to.
I’ll take the opportunity here to mention Tucker Carlson as a newer voice on the Truth scene. He excuses his failure to even mention the Jews – let alone the “Holohoax” !!! – by emphasizing whenever he can how much he hates the “Nazis” and “Hitler.” And even Germans! My God, we’re really up against it when it comes to expressing genuine truth in our society. This is what I mean when I say our whole culture is so entwined with Jewish Lies (that go back to Roman-Biblical times, let’s not forget) that we dare not even begin to expose them! To begin is to not know for sure where the entangling will end. But it was Jesus who said, again and again: Be not afraid.
While what he said makes perfect sense, voting, democracy and the Jewish controlled system has been literally hijacked to prevent what he calls for from happening. He even admitted that the vast majority of White peoples are unable or unwilling to advocate for their own interests. So ultimately until we as a people are backed into a corner and have nothing left to lose, White men will continue to lack the testicular fortitude to actually commit to the cause. Unfortunately, a large part of our people are not going to make it through to the other side of this disaster.
Mark Weber: “More importantly, all those who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776, or who debated and signed the U.S. Constitution of 1787, unanimously regarded the new country as a White people’s republic. This new identity took hold quickly because it fit well with changed conditions, and because it expressed a latent but suppressed sensibility.”
This is fake history, disappointing from a so-called “distinguished historian”.
The new identity “took hold quickly” he says. With whom? Presumably, Weber must mean with the people themselves, rather than just the elite who drew up and signed those documents. But he’s apparently ignorant of the fact that in five of the original thirteen states, free negroes were already citizens. Evidently the whites in those five states weren’t on board with the idea the new country was for whites only.
Then he says that the conception of America as a white republic expressed “a latent but suppressed sensibility”. But suppressed by whom? I answer, by none other than the people themselves. America, from its founding on the Christian revolutionary principles of equality and human rights, was even in 1776 reluctant to say definitively exactly who did and who didn’t qualify as a man. Specifically, were negroes men, or only non-human property, livestock akin to sheep or cattle? If there had actually been unity on this point, then “whites only” would have been written into the Constitution, and it wouldn’t have taken a Civil War to resolve the question some eighty years later.
Weber’s big problem is that he wants to work within the “system” , which has proven to be utterly corrupted and hopelessly dysfunctional. Our Republic is nothing more than a mirage, and the people have proven themselves to be incapable of critical thinking. Our political class has totally been bought off as a result of the system requiring the candidates needing tens of millions to tens of billions of dollars for national level elections, and millions for state and even some local elections. Who has that kind of money to dole out, and why would they dole it out in the first place? We all know who, and they dole it out to those who will do their bidding. It is a joke to believe a democratic system is going to work for Anglo Saxon Americans as we are not reproducing and a minority. On top of that we are divided. Spangler is right, optimism is cowardice. The best thing to do is wait it out and let the system collapse under its own weight. It is the only realistic thing to do. Quit believing in democracy, as it is truly the god that failed. I quit voting after 2016. Trump is a chump, and MAGA is infested with morons. Mass delusion has come over this nation in two strains, MAGA and Wokeness. The democratic process will only excaberate the delusion.
QUESTION AND A VIABLE ANSWER FOR THE OPPRESSED AND POOR AMERICAN CITIZENS:
QUESTION: What should the poor Americans do to break their chains, to win their freedom once and for all, to transform the US capitalist oligarchic society, based on the profit for about a 10% minority, that is, of the bourgeoisie and its state apparatus, into a real democratic communist society, a society in which production can develop freely to satisfy the needs of the entire great community of the whole country?
ANSWER: It is certain that the poor Americans would have to destroy, sweep away, the parasitic state apparatus that represents an immense bureaucratic, police and military octopus of thieves, of 22 million workers which has in its tentacles the whole of society and all its activities. This fact is very necessary to the extent that we know that the current US State, which is a thieving state, is a formidable weapon in the hands of powerfully concentrated capitalism, a weapon of domination, corruption, repression and sometimes terror!!
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You are the total package, big guy.
Oh goody… here we have a perfect opportunity to compare an informed hard-working civilized 1st-world attitude (Anarchyst)… with an ignorant lazy uncivilized 3rd-world attitude (Xyzxy)!
Let’s get started… using ‘home ownership’ as a means to compare/contrast these two attitudes…
1) Buying a House…
Anarchyst buys a fixer-upper house… with 30% down from savings and 70% bank loan… works with his wife and kids to do repairs/upgrades using more savings to purchase tools and materials… increasing the home value by 30% while spending 10%… increasing their equity/savings by 20%… increasing not only their equity/savings but the quality of their lives (as all people like Anarchist knows/learns… nothing is more enjoyable/thrilling than doing/learning… once you experience that joy/thrill… you simple move to the next thing… and the next… and the next… you become addicted to the joy/thrill of doing/learning… and you immediately learn that this is the way of 1st-world educated civilized people).
Xyzxy buys a house from a fixer-upper… for 30% more than Anarchyst pays (15% going to the white flipper and 15% going to his/her tax-free slave labor)… with a full bank loan with nothing down (because only fools with savings will lose when the economy crashes… better to ‘own nothing and be happy!’)… providing more time go to work (where he MUST suck up to the equally-ignorant/incompetent/lazy/corrupt massively-over-paid management… to keep his job… to pay the higher bills)… leaving more precious time to party like a rockstar… watching all the latest movies… going to all the best restaurants… meeting for happy hours (to community-brag about the new houses/cars/vacations/kids-in-college/$etc./$etc./$etc…)… never for an instant will an adult conversation be tolerated… because any analysis/debate about this mindless ‘consumer’ debt-based lifestyle will quickly conclude… this is the lifestyle of an evil/filthy/uncivilized/undignified 3rd-world debt-slave zombie culture.
2) Maintaining a House…
Anarchyst understands… in a 1st-world civilized society… ALL the people must have the skills/experience/attitude to not only produce but maintain the necessities of everyday living… both at home and at work… that being dependent on corrupt/sleazy bankers and repair ‘men’ is… by definition… of 3rd-world lifestyle… that having a home/bed/food requires that you either fix it yourself or you ‘know enough’ to work with a ‘trust-worthy’ helper… to replace a $25 run-capacitor in a 20yr old AC unit instead of paying $15K to replace a 10yr old perfectly reparable unit… telling your 10 yr old son to spend half an hour digging a one-foot-deep hole to replace a $3 dollar sprinkler head instead of letting the lawn die (which MANY do) or paying $500 dollars to a sleazy white repair ‘man’ (who hires an illegal ‘man’ for $20 bucks to do what your son would have been perfectly proud/honored/thrilled to do/learn… and teach to your grandchildren)… and… as Anarchyst surely knows… Xyzxy doesn’t know shit when he says it’s harder to work on cars today… it’s MUCH easier today than back when… go buy an analyzer… they don’t cost much… it’s easier after the analyzer tells you what’s wrong… go to amazon spend a few bucks for the part… use your brains/hands… save $thousands… experience the joy/thrill of doing/learning it yourself… AND you’ll find out… it’s EASIER than hiring a repair ‘man’… AND… doing/learning something is a MUCH better way to spend your life than watching the latest Hollywood mind-fuck garbage.
Xyzxy is in BIG trouble when ANYTHING breaks… his life is instantly transformed into a nightmare… what can he do?… call someone?… when the house is suddenly 100 degrees?… first pack bags and move the family into a hotel?… call for an emergency repair ‘man’ (ka-ching)… in my 30yrs of home ownership I have three-times replaced $15 AC start-capacitors… three-times replaced $150 AC fan motors… after driving to a local AC supply store… and had the house back to normal within a few hours… these six events cost me a few hours and $500… Xyzxy would have spent many $thousands (probably tens of $thousands… because the repair ‘man’ would have conned Xyzxy into buying ‘new’ AC units… life IS a nightmare when you’re too stupid to protect yourself from these 3rd-world AC con-‘men’)… should I go on?… talk about what happens when a light switch/fixture breaks?… a refrigerator?… washer/dryer?… garbage disposal?… toilet?… HVAC filters?… that’s just the start… anyone with Xyzxy’s knowledge/attitude simply can NOT be a 1st-world home owner… Xyzxy is a 3rd-world renter/slave.
Bottom line… Xyzxy’s ignorant/lazy/shameless attitude is the definition a 3rd-world culture… Anarchyst’s informed/hard-working/proud attitude is the definition of 1st-world culture.
I’m with you Anarchyst… WE can work ‘together’ in a 1st-world ‘community’… while THEY can work against each other in their sleazy bankers/shysters-controlled 3rd-world ‘shithole’.
Thanks, Carolyn. I’ll be checking out the urls you mentioned and studying your website.
I appreciate Macdonald’s work, but have realized for some time that it can be seen as an excuse for jewish behavior.
When good-and-evil, when the ‘metaphysical‘ is omitted from the discussion, one is spinning his wheels.
There are many like Carlson. Ritter for example.
The word ‘zionist,’ as many are coming to realize, is a smokescreen, too, and should be stricken from our vocabulary.
This is an interesting article but all it really describes is that you are in the bargaining stage of grief. You already know what is going to happen to white people. Allow me if you will, to portray
the accurate image in your mind. You and your family are hiding in the back bedroom and backed into a corner as the violent immigrants break into your house. When they approach you, you plead for your lives and ask them what they want from you. The attackers say we want you to die. It’s our collective fate. The irony is that leftist whites in large democrat communist cities will be the first to get wiped out.
“White” is NOT a racial term. “White” is a slang term of laziness. We are NOT Whites. We are Europeans generally, and we have to, each one of us, RETURN to our own particular nation.
The term White is a Masonic term. It is used to race-mix the Europeans—of mixing the Irish with the Anglo-Saxon, of mixing the Scots with the Anglo-Saxon, of mixing the French with the German and vice-a-versa. “White” is a Gnostic term for it destroys particularity. Freemasonry, built on Jewish ideology, was glamourous because it sought to end European wars by destroying, submerging the European races together under the term “White”. To them, America is not an Anglo-Saxon colony but a White Masonic Utopian creation.
White is a term of race-mixing. STOP using the word to describe yourself. You are an European. Then, you are either Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Anglo-Saxon (which is already race-mixed of Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Normans), French, Northern Italian, Southern Italian, Bavarian German, Austrian German, Swiss German, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, Belgian or Swedish.
We have to return to our Tribes, our Tribal identity and maintain our own particular tribe.
WOW!
Thank you for the support. It is greatly appreciated.
Never having much money when growing up, I HAD to repair stuff that most people (today) throw away.
A good example…lawn mowers. 99% of lawn mowers and other gasoline powered lawn equipment that people throw out (leave at the side of the road) have very little wrong with them. Either a clogged carburetor (from using gasoline with ethanol) or a sheared flywheel key (blade hitting a solid object) are the two most common problems. Both are easily repaired with little or no expense.
It’s actually easier t repair things today, with the plethora of youtube and rumble videos out there.
Despite being financially secure,I still repair my own stuff.
Best regards,
Violentia v Fark Reggie Webber
Jew & hyena rule these 5 continents with an iron fist; they murder and genocide ruthlessly.
Violence is the only language that the priestly and political charlatans actually understand; understand once they get to feel their brazen heads (too late).
Jews are begging…
E.g. for his Gaza comments alone, Trump and his Kushners deserve only one thing.
Proof: Look how drastic the scum responds to the killing of Brian Thompson, the Chief Evil Of United Health Snare; that scared them. Imagine the daily Brian…
Several thousand Rome priests were killed in the Spanish Revolution…, the health care benefits of that are still felt today;
Anyone who still does summersaults about the leadership of Pres. Reagan has not done their homework on the his tenire and decisions from as far back as his tenure as Governor of California.
To me, the line is whether or not you are pro-state. Because if you are, you’re a tyrant.
If I was a younger man, I would consider your advice. However, I am at the age where spending time with my children and grandchildren is the most important thing in my life.
I am curious, though. Where would you recommend that young white Americans go? Russia is about the only country I can think of that is reasonably certain to be pro-white for the next 50 + years.
Whites are split and that is why nothing will happen. The younger generations simply do not care and are too apathetic to take action until it is too late. In fact, it is indeed too late. Shoot, Spengler saw this over a century ago!
Serbia might also be an option.
First off you just because you buy a house and know how to fix shit in it, doesn’t mean it’s YOUR HOUSE! The banks own the house, and I’m calling you out because you have to go and attack renters. Lots of people rent, I challenge you to try to buy a house in a state like CA and that’s even before Newsom wrecked it.
Therefore you’re still a slave living in someone else’s creation you didn’t build. It’s one thing if you actually BUILT that house from the ground up with your own two hands like my two uncles did for my grandmother. But her home isn’t a really big house either, it sort of looks like a trailer from the outside but it’s still her house that my Uncle and his brother worked on together. The bank doesn’t own her property or her house. She does.
ONLY then can you claim it “YOUR HOUSE” but if you bought it prebuilt you obviously pay a mortgage which still means you are a SLAVE, that house is not yours just because you can fix things inside of it, it’s the banks house and property that it’s built upon. Therefore if you are unable to pay your mortgage guess what? They TAKE! “Your house” and give it to someone else who can afford the mortgage, if it was truly yours they wouldn’t be able to just seize and take it from you unless they were thieves.
It amazes me the arrogance of people thinking just because they can fix stuff that makes them superior than people who can’t. Lots of people are incapable of fixing things and a lot of people rent rather than buying. Got nothing to do with being “Lazy.” You a bunch of Latino’s who can build cars from scrap, yet they still can’t run a nation of their own, because if they could they would be over in whatever country they came from making it prosperous.
Ever hear of the libertarian to Alt-Right pipeline? — some racial/political dissidents are slower to shed their libertarian roots than others.
>Because if you are, you’re a tyrant.
This is a naive, short-sighted view that I assume results from the observation that yes, today government and many institutions are, without question, arrayed against the existential interests of white people, and so are rightly seen as enemies — but it doesn’t have to be that way — good governance, which is impossible with multiracial mass democracy, can promote and protect the interests of the Volksgemeinschaft — this is the essence of National Socialist thinking.
So government per se, even big government, is not necessarily a bad thing.
But the problem with government cannot be fixed without fixing the race problem.
*Meant to say you have a bunch of Latino’s living in the U.S. who know how to build cars and stuff like that from scrap like brand new. But they still can’t run a functioning society in the countries they all fled from.
Have you read the books by the late Underground Grammarian, Richard Mitchell? Great books, seriously good laughs, and the thinking skills we need to be passing on to young people. It goes without saying that the education system in designed to stifle critical thinking in the name of critical thinking! Mitchell single-handedly demolished the pretenses of today’s “educationists.”
https://sourcetext.com/grammarian/
PS, we need to ask ourselves how our teachers’ union was taken over by a rug-eating Jewish dyke looking to destroy the minds of our children. But, don’t ask the members of Congress, or they’ll turn you in to the FBI.
What Greg said, I’ve said it myself many times, and came to that view independently.
Hinging our future on did the holocaust happen or not, is flawed.
However, what happened to the IHR is its own question, which, as recounted often by Mike Piper, wasn’t pleasant. It was an ugly mess. And then later on jettisoning one of the IHR’s key missions, however that decision came to be, obviously will raise eyebrows with many people.
And there has been a question how much Weber has earned his keep there. All you can do is write a big red question mark on all this.
There are people who strongly disagree with Weber and the direction the IHR took under him. Certainly Germar Rudolf is not on the same page at all. He offered to take over the IHR which Weber inevitably rejected.
I’ve been pounding the table on this theme, elaborated and expanded strategically and tactically with dozens of references and articles here and on The Occidental Observatory for at least 5 years. Responses: 1 1/2. That’s it. Too much to ponder, hurts the head. Too upsetting. Might interrupt the sports season and the play offs. A population sleep walking, aftraid, herded, and cowed. Baaaaaaaahd.
Most African-Americans don’t work and can’t work due to extremely sub-optimum genetics – their IQs are too low to handle most jobs in USA, their high innate Sociopathology makes them very dishonest workers, so they usually get terminated, and their very low Industriousness (innate laziness) also ends up getting them terminated from employment. Then with their resulting poor work history / resume, no further companies ever higher them. Of course, before Trump, Affirmative Action was used to keep Africans employed, even though they contributed nothing to the companies that hired them and in fact were causing great profit loss. But, Trump has banned Affirmative Action. All of this means most Africans are now going to be permanently unemployed. The only way that Africans prevented themselves from dying from hunger, medical issues, and lack of shelter was welfare. However, Trump’s budget bill is going to be approved by all of Congress and signed by Trump this week, and the bill cuts 90% of funding for Food Stamps and Medicaid, and the remaining watered-down funding will only be given to people provided they work at least twenty hours a week. Since 90% of African-Americans genetically are incapable of working, as described above, this means they are going to face a massive die-off in America, with about 90% of them dying.
Now, I am not taking pleasure in any human suffering, but I’m just pointing out that Trump is very clever and knows exactly what he is doing – Making America White Again. Sure, he is not perfect – who is – but he is still overall a great asset to White Nationalism.
Yes, he should be naming Organized Jewry as the problem LOUD AND CLEAR, instead of hiding the root cause in one line in the middle of the article where he says it’s not NeoMarxists but NeoConservatives and NeoLiberals (both 80%+ Jewish essentially).
But then many many people would throw that bathwater and baby out.
So yes, it’s a wink and a nod/passive attempt to show that THE JEWS AREN’T WHITE, and don’t have White European or even ‘American’ interests at heart. The Jews (and the more rich the more true) only have JEWISH SUPREMACIST interests as their MAIN agenda.
That is a very clueless feminist attitude. Mechanical aptitude enhanced by a superior intellect got mankind to where it is today.
Chucking a spear after creating one, building a shelter, farming the land, etc were the prime abilities that enabled humans to survive. Paintings on the cave wall were luxuries when the bellies were full.
Every bit of progress has involved mechanical aptitude to a large degree.
Verbal pursuits are only possible in a society where people with mechanical skills have provided an excess of leisure time for some buffoon to babble away. The proof of which is visible in any society that barely ekes out a living. Orators have no place there
Make America Goy Again…
I have attempted to use my connections in the electrical industry to get young people into apprenticeships with little success. Most of them are stuck on the college track.
Imagine having a good high-paying job, getting paid to learn while you earn with no college debt after 4 years. It’s a no-brainer, but too many young people would rather get useless college degrees, be six-figures in debt, and are only able to get a job as a barista.
See post #72 on this thread…
Hello Broo, I appreciate MacDonald’s contribution to knowledge very much, thus am sad that he can’t be more straightforward about the unavoidable topic of the “Holocaust” hoax. Being a highly intelligent man, IF he read even one revisionist book he would know it was a hoax, and that’s why he won’t. It’s incredibly stupid of him to say, “I don’t know much about it; I haven’t looked into it, but I don’t find Revisionism to be convincing.” !!? I mean, I can’t stay quiet about that. It’s sad, too, because he’s German on his mother’s side, but doesn’t seem to relate to that at all. This brings up for me the deep damage the Jews have done to the German psyche, in making them accept themselves as harboring such a monstrous evil in their racial makeup … in their grandparents! For this reason, it has to end, because how sick is it to believe that of your own kin on some artificial moral grounds? I never accepted it but I do think it affected me anyway. The Jews have attempted to transfer their own sickness onto healthy Germans.
A Zionist is just a Jew who wants to re-create a homeland for Jews [Zion] in Palestine, or anywhere they regard as ‘Zion’ or ‘the promised land.’ But it’s just that very togetherness that Jews can’t be allowed to enjoy; it’s the source of their “specialness” which is the source of their intolerance for non-Jews. Their religion and traditions have to be completely wiped out. So rather than forcing them to “be together” they should be separated and forced to “live apart.” Do what the NS Germans “actually” did which is to segregate or remove them from our societies. Some, who show they are compatible, can remain if they wish. The only other option we have is to educate ourselves, which would lead in the end to the same result as segregation, removal.
Do you have s better idea?
I think everyone has seen the combined U.S. and Mexican flags at the protests. We might as well join the two nations because most of the Mexican population lives here. Wikipedia and other sources are lying when they show that there are over a hundred million people living in Mexico. During Biden’s stolen term Mexicans poured in at an unbelievable rate.
Never yet heard a debate on immigration that didn’t praise how hard Mexicans work.
It was jarring how jaded and cynical my high school and college classmates were about getting their “piece of paper” that would entitle them to the good things in America.
A buzzword around 2012 was “White mediocrity.” Post-covid working-from-home America has confirmed the laziness. The U.S. is overstaffed, overemployed, and abounding in meeting-attending, report-writing useless eaters who are graced with ludicrously inflated titles (eg Senior Process Engineer) who can’t design a proper mounting block and obviously cheated their way through school. (The cheating I saw at state college back in the 90’s was outrageous … I can only guess at the cheating now!)
To be clear, “white mediocrity” is a psychological projection of the middle-class onto working class Whites. The dollar bubble must be popped. Nothing good can happen while these worthless parasites are allowed to live like kings.
Are “countries” still a thing? Serious question.
well maybe if the cia and mic left those latin american mechanics alone, they could.
mowing your lawn is a scam. you should use every bit of land to grow fruits and vegetables.
Steve in Dallas,
So you could have paid cash for a y-84 but you drove a station wagon in school.
Somewhere along the adventure you lost the plot. “Life is an adventure, not a destination.”
You should have bought the y-84 in highschool.
Before Rush Limbaugh died he spoke of a news article about today’s young boys not being into cars. Rush though that was a sad turning point for America.
Y-84 is an option code for a 1978 Pontiac Trans Am special edition black (Smokey and the Bandit). Around 10 grand. Today in museum quality maybe a million.
You missed owning some fantastic cars for the time period.
Anybody can start investing early and end up a millionaire with relatively small regular installments.
But living life’s great experiences and ending up wealthy is a totally different path through life.
The other issue you mention about the structure of the economy reference home buying is much more interesting.
A female economist from Argentina wrote a fantastic paper about 25 years ago.
Her premise: Poverty is directly related to home ownership rates, and rent vs income. If the average rent per month is equal to the average income per month then widespread poverty will be the result.
America is approaching that point.
There are many details involved including forever property taxes paid by a homeowner so that in America you never really own your home.
To take your creed a little further than just doing your own repairs. A properly set up property would eliminate as many external expenses as possible. This would include food, water, septic tank, generating as much electricity as possible, and potentially using self produced alcohol (ethanol) as fuel for a converted automobile.
You also completely miss, that the current economy is driven by printing money (officially called borrowing) and would instantly collapse if stopped.
Reportedly 45% of our GDP is government spending, directly or indirectly through contracting.
Consider that we are avatars. Souls in human bodies as temporary shells so that we spiritual beings can interact in the material world. So we can live in just about any way we can “imagine”.
Agrarian, living close to nature or super advanced with unimaginable technology including cyborg bodies.
You are basically thinking in terms of a completely different way of living.
While very smart people behind the curtain are engineering a system that is in many ways the opposite.
This is a lecture given by a German in Switzerland, 1919. He describes the future we are heading in to now:
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/AhrDec_index.html
Where I live (outside of a big city), there are plenty of Latinos. They are nice, hardworking people and I don’t mind having them around. What I find disturbing, though, is that there are practically no white kids in the local public schools. The same is true in almost every – if not every – large city in the United States. Because I live in a tourist town and a place with a lot of second homes, I see young whites, but they are from other places.
It’s easy to find projections of the percentage of non-Hispanic whites for the year 2050 (47%). But good luck finding projections for 2075 and 2100. If I google those dates, all I come up with is “less than 50%.” It’s as if they don’t want you to know.
The local Hispanic kids sound and act like American kids and are fully integrated into American life. I expect there will be lots of interracial marriages and that the majority of Americans will look white (with a slightly darker skin color) for a long time to come.
I’m too old to start life in a different country. Even if I were able to, I would think twice before joining an all-white enclave. Whites don’t treat each other well, and white advocacy groups have generally been circular firing squads.
That being said, I consider it my duty to support keeping the US as white as possible. Americans were never asked if they wanted radical demographic change. And whites have been discriminated against since about 1968. That’s longer than my entire adult life.
Well replied; thank you.
“Perhaps if whites would have considered themselves Americans first (along with every other American of any and all races and backgrounds) instead of whites first, then maybe things would have shaped up differently for us.”
The great majority American whites accepted civil rights for nonwhites, non-discrimination against nonwhites, and large-scale nonwhite immigration sixty years ago. It looked like we were going to have the kind of America you say we should have had.
But that wasn’t enough. Every nonwhite group agreed that whites needed to be discriminated against. Powerful Jews also wanted this to happen. They used their control of the media and disproportionate influence over other social institutions to make it happen, just as they’ve used their influence and power to get the US to support Israel.
So, yes, a lot of us whites have been “whining about it.” Now we’re starting see a rebalancing of the scales in our favor. That’s what happens when enough people whine about something. If you’re tired of it, read something else.
The sick demons that slobberingly serve them while betraying their own will also need removed.
“This solution would entail real political representation and economic control of certain sectors of the economy.”
How do blacks not have “real political representation”?
We’ve had a black president who served two terms, black supreme court justices (3), black senators (14), black congressmen (186), black mayors (over one-third of top-100 cities have black mayors), black federal district and appellate court judges (301), a black secretary of defense, a black chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, black college and university presidents (including two presidents of Ivy League universities), black billionaires (23) and black millionaires (1.79 million in 2024). What am I missing here?
As for one particular group having economic control over certain sectors of the economy, we’ve had more than enough of that from the Jews.
“Resources have been systematically … kept from blacks.”
On the contrary, blacks have been showered with welfare money and given racial preferences in college admissions, hiring, promotion, government contracting, etc.
” … genetic predisposition to commit ‘crimes’ …”
Why do you put the word “crimes” in quotation marks? Are they not, in fact, crimes?
Your Roman Catholic Church was Judaized long before there was any Protestantism.
Roman Catholic rulers — with the approval of the Church — used Jews as tax farmers to squeeze money out of their own subjects. Eventually, the subjects would revolt, the Jews would be expelled until things calmed down, and then the Jews would be let back in again and the whole process would repeat itself.
Nostra Aetate is part of the Roman Catholic Magisterium, and it says that Christians are grafted into the Jewish vine rather than the other way around.
Roman Catholics need to examine their own church before criticizing other churches.
” … subjugation of the nonwhite world …”
Without colonialism and white innovations, the world’s nonwhite population would be a small fraction of its current size.
” … the ignoring of global warming …”
Yes, China and India should stop doing that … Seriously, there is no human-caused global warming. And we should want more CO2 (an essential building block of life), not less.
“Instead of reinvesting in the economies of North America and Europe …”
I don’t know about European leaders, but Trump’s policy is to reinvest in the US economy. That’s part of what he means when he talks about making America great again.
“[Does whiteness mean] vetoing UN sanctions against a country that is committing genocide?”
Not unless the United States is the only country with whites. Obviously, it is not the only country with whites.
“What does whiteness offer the world?”
It’s hard to say nowadays, because so many whites are discriminated against — even in the countries in which they are the majority.
If Harvard’s entering class reflected the fact that white males created most of what we call “civilization,” it would be majority white male instead of 11% white male.
Not quite right. It was not really accepted by the vast majority. When were blacks allowed to vote? Piecemeal token acceptance 200 years after the fact doesn’t quite cut it. Some civil rights on paper, begrudgingly recognized after centuries of injustice didn’t quite cut the mustard. Did those rights move whites to treat blacks fairly? There remained discrimination everywhere. It took Martin Luther King turning the country upside down to force whites, out of fear, to pay some lip service to the idea, but we all saw that white’s hearts weren’t really in it. They did it because they were shamed into it and their fantasy world was turned upside down.
That’s true and it’s been spearheaded by Jewish activists – later allied with corporate interests guaranteeing large amounts of cheap labour (for example in agro and food processing). “Social Justice” is only a cover story for the loving/caring older Woke ladies who don’t seem to have heard about Gaza.
I don’t see a problem with this (in contrast to many here). I’ve lived most of my life in S.E. Spain where the Spanish don’t like the Anglo confusion between Hispanos and Latinos. They are Hispanos (Iberian/ Spanish / European) whereas Latinos are South American ethnic Indians.
But having said that, they get along fine. Latinos expect to work, they don’t cause problems and they contribute a lot. There are interracial marriages which work.
One option would be to recognize that Spain is the homeland of the ethnic Spanish and to only give citizenship to the ethnic Spanish or to a foreigner married to an ethnic Spanish person. Everyone else would receive residence permits/ work contracts. Same as UAE/Dubai. The many foreigners working in Dubai in no way expect citizenship.
“STOP using the word [white] to describe yourself. You are a European. You are either Irish, Scottish, Welsh …”
Either???
What you’re calling for is 1,326 + 52 white European “tribes.” And those 1,378 tribes are only based on, at most, a combination of two of the +/- 52 European nationalities. If a white American’s ancestors include three or more European nationalities, then you get many more distinct identities or tribes.
The word “white” might be problematic for establishing someone’s identity, but your recommendation is even more problematic. Even if you just use the term “European”, there are white Brits and Russians who don’t think of themselves as European.
If wanting to build a Tower of Babel that mushes all races together under a single identity is masonic or gnostic, how is the Roman Catholic Church (and its most interesting acolyte E. Michael Jones) any less masonic or gnostic? It isn’t. And I sense Jones’s influence in your comments.
Not quite right. It was not really accepted by the vast majority. When were blacks allowed to vote? Piecemeal token acceptance 200 years after the fact doesn’t quite cut it. Some civil rights on paper, begrudgingly recognized after centuries of injustice didn’t quite cut the mustard. Did those rights move whites to treat blacks fairly? There remained discrimination everywhere. It took Martin Luther King turning the country upside down to force whites, out of fear, to pay some lip service to the idea, but we all saw that white’s hearts weren’t really in it. They did it because they were shamed into it and their fantasy world was turned upside down.
Slowly, too slowly, it has been changing, but to say that white’s now fully accept blacks as equal is in my opinion wrong. Also, there needs to be recognition by all that such a long period of injustice will need time to heal even after whites finally accepted black rights. It took hundreds of years to tie this knot so I expect the solution to take some time as well.
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1. This is of course speculation. Thw nonwhite population has historically expanded regardless of famines, natural disasters, plaques and wars. There us nothing to indicate that white colonializtion saved the planet or expanded native populations. Shoes or no shoes, socks or no socks and while medicines are oft touted as key, much of that was to combat illnesses that whites brought with them or they developed themselves (modern times: HIV, most likely developed in the attempt to address polio) and I am not convinced that innovation is either a white phenomoneon that would not have occurred anyway via other mechanisms)
2. think it would be great if the president could get around to making this battle up front. But there is nothing uniquely white in the wisdom of reinvesting in your homestead. And ensuring that whatever investments are made actually stregnthen nation.
3. the myth of white discrimination. the issue of having to share the country with members who are not white may be touted as discrimination from the loss of priviliges built on white skin but at the end of the day policies whites used to bar other citizens based on skin color is noot discrimination, it’s redress
4. Whites created civilization that’s an interesting advance. Whites did not create civiliztion, they built on existing knowledge from existing civilizations and shared knowledge but most importantly, nothing has been found in whiteness that suggests they are uniquely designed to be entitled they simply made that argument – even on moral/legal front — whites did not create law, they did not create justice
Did those rights move whites to treat blacks fairly?
You mean treat blacks with “respect” that is, cower in fear of them?
Whites don’t owe blacks anything except the willingness to exact just vengeance for their crimes.
It took Martin Luther King turning the country upside down to force whites, out of fear, to pay some lip service to the idea
So whites were afraid of Rev. Monkey with the Jew speechwriters?
You’ve got to be kidding. Whites are not afraid of the black mob. They are afraid of the people who enable the blacks to riot. The real rulers of America. The judeo-masonic mob.
If blacks want to be “treated fairly” – then they’d better learn to treat others as they wish others would treat them. Otherwise, they can FORGET IT.
“On the contrary, blacks have been showered with welfare money and given racial preferences in college admissions, hiring, promotion, government contracting, etc.”
Excuse me . . . I am not sure what planet or country you exist in, but you will have to explicate this showering. Welfare money is to the general populace, contracts are rarely uniquely targeted to the black population as generally include an array of protected classes: number one among them women, inparticular white women, same relational practitioners, hispanices many white . . . etc. That welfare card gets tossed around as often as AA programs, but in the end they are often watered down by factors that include whites. They exist, but they are rarely uniquely excusively black.
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“So, yes, a lot of us whites have been “whining about it.” Now we’re starting see a rebalancing of the scales in our favor.”
You mean a return to a policy and practice in which whites practice the very behaviors that created a need to redress the issues. There’s a difference in feeling as though one is discriminated against and reality. In the 250 plus years of the nation:
No real recognition that said blacks were getting shrifted and some redress was required until the late 1960. The real gambit in play as you fully display is that the observations you make regarding blacks in positions of influence and power is that they did not engage in designing policies or practices that excluded whites in general – something the country will not untangle for many years to come if ever. The notion of whites as the benevelent benefactors to their fellows — equally simply does not exist.
Those black judges did not establish all black juries to ensure the convictions of whites, those black business leaders did not redline to keep whites out or create higher interest rate systems, the black doctors did not treat theur white patients diffrently, black miliatry officers did not engage in practices to ensure that whites failed . . . the black president did exactly what his white contemporaries wanted hm to do. He did not bail out black businesses exclusively . . . his attempts to change Middle East policy were met with vehement opposition
there are 13 black bllionairs in the US. This is an old game — we note promonanet blacks and say ” Aha see there is no more discrimantion. And yet when discussing the matter with those billionaires, they actually tell of a diffetrent reality. Is the country better regarding white and black skin citizenship – I think so. But anyone suggesting we have turned a corner on the central socialization differences among our mutual understanding of citizenship is not living in the real world.
Now I would agree that one cannot tell, a person that they are wrong 24 hours a day without finally experiencing some pushback — but that pushback to save face does not change the reality. The power is and remains “white centered” for whites” The very complaint you make reinforces the world of citizenship created by whites. Identity politics is neither unique to our history nor created by blacks. And the tragedy is that its predicated on something so utterly benign to one’s existence as a citizen and accepted as a real indicator of the same — when it is so incredibly arbitrary.
Even faith and practice has been turned into a “white thing” and yet nowhere in old or new scripture is skin color a factor.
Hey look the menand women that have upended US economies are whites and we keep bailing them out despite the damage. And just to be clear — most jews, if you want make that distinction are whites.
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Now let’s suppose for one minute that the top of the food chain is whiteness and all things sweet and wonderful comes packaged as white humans. So what? The core of the nation is predicated on the principles that goodness and wonderfulness are not constitional qualifiers to equality of citizenship. and that is the sword that essentially killed the american experiment still in need of adjustment. The very notion of other human beings as property — based on skin color (primarily) undermined the entire enterprise and at each opportunity to change — whites cannot go the distance.
“[Civil rights for blacks were] not really accepted by the vast majority [of Americans in 1965].”
How do you know? Did you take a poll?
“When were blacks allowed to vote?”
From 1783 to 1790, black males who owned property were allowed to vote. After 1790 — when full US citizenship was limited to whites — property-owning black males were nevertheless allowed to vote in New York, New Jersey (until 1807) and Pennsylvania (until 1838). In 1821, New York lifted the property ownership restrictions from white males but not from black males.
After the Civil War, the fifteenth amendment to the Constitution gave all males in the US, including black males, the right to vote. During Reconstruction, there were two black US senators, 14 blacks in the US House of Representatives, and more than 600 blacks in state legislatures.
During Jim Crow, black males in the South were only allowed to vote if they passed literacy tests or paid poll taxes, but those requirements were imposed on uneducated and penniless white males as well, unless they had fathers or grandfathers who fought in the Civil War.
Lately, there have been dubious accusations of anti-black racism and exclusion when it comes to at-large vs. district elections, redistricting, and voter ID.
It should be noted that black males were allowed to vote long before white women were allowed to vote.
The picture you paint would lead one to believe that blacks were only allowed to vote after 1965. That’s not true.
“There remained discrimination everywhere.”
Would you say that the tendency of whites and other racial groups to regard blacks unfavorably and not want to associate with them has nothing to do with black behavior?
” … but we all saw that whites’ hearts [after 1965] weren’t really in it [having a society with no racial discrimination against blacks].”
That’s your subjective conclusion. I don’t see anything objective behind it.
How are blacks “systemically” discriminated against today? If they’re not, wouldn’t it be accurate to say that whites’ hearts have been in it?
Have you been in favor of ending discrimination against whites — the only racial group it has been legal to discriminate against in this country since 1965, starting with the Supreme Court Bakke decision in 1978 and ending with the 2023 Supreme Court decision (full of loopholes) in Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College?
Anglo-Protestantism was created by Jews for Jews. King James Bible – that is to say, a homosexual tutored in his youth by a seder-holding judaizer George Buchanan. And King James wasn’t pro-Jew enough for the Puritans. Your coreligionists established the system that is the basis of Jewish power in the world. They have consistently attacked and conspired with the attacks on practically every Catholic state, AND EVERY STATE THAT PRESENTED OBSTACLES TO JEWISH DOMINATION. A few Protestants and Freemasons have had misgivings about the Jews. And what did it ever amount to, in practice? They have nevertheless sought to give Jews pre-eminent power in the world. And when Rome was captured and the Republic of Italy was established, with much of the Catholic population of Europe behind the Iron Curtain, the Anglo-Americans imposed themselves on the Papacy.
I wouldn’t bother to point this out to you if I didn’t believe you were sincerely opposed to Jewish control of America.
https://archive.org/details/the-plot-against-the-church-maurice-pinay-1962
The seedbed of every heresy. The Protestants oppose to the saints of the Catholic Church Martin Luther and John Calvin. The inevitable result is America, land of the locusts and the home of the bottomless pit.
If I had been a Jew and had seen such dolts and blockheads govern and teach the Christian faith, I would sooner have become a hog than a Christian. They have dealt with the Jews as if they were dogs rather than human beings; they have done little else than deride them and seize their property. When they baptize them they show them nothing of Christian doctrine or life, but only subject them to popishness and mockery…If the apostles, who also were Jews, had dealt with us Gentiles as we Gentiles deal with the Jews, there would never have been a Christian among the Gentiles … When we are inclined to boast of our position [as Christians] we should remember that we are but Gentiles, while the Jews are of the lineage of Christ. We are aliens and in-laws; they are blood relatives, cousins, and brothers of our Lord. Therefore, if one is to boast of flesh and blood the Jews are actually nearer to Christ than we are…If we really want to help them, we must be guided in our dealings with them not by papal law but by the law of Christian love. We must receive them cordially, and permit them to trade and work with us, that they may have occasion and opportunity to associate with us, hear our Christian teaching, and witness our Christian life. If some of them should prove stiff-necked, what of it? After all, we ourselves are not all good Christians either.[3]
No. I will continue to amuse myself by annoying you and reading/commenting on your silly reasoning. I live here in the US and see for myself how you’ve accepted minorities as equals (NOT). I wouldn’t mind however if you FO and do your whining somewhere else.
In what way was Gov. George C. Wallace a fraud and anti-white..?
“I’m not convinced that innovation is … a white phenomenon.”
I suggest you read Charles Murray’s Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950.
” … there is nothing uniquely white in the wisdom of reinvesting in your homestead.”
I never said there was.
“The myth of [discrimination against whites] …policies [against whites] that whites used to bar other citizens based on skin color [are] not discrimination, [they’re] redress.”
Discrimination, redress – it all amounts to the same thing.
“Whites did not create civilization.”
They created at least 90% of it. Again, I’ll refer you to Charles Murray’s book.
First, Greg basically said, like Kevin MacDonald, that the question is unimportant. So, is that your view also? Secondly, neither I nor any revisionist is “hanging our future on whether the holocaust happened or not.” Those words show that you, along with Greg, don’t have a clear understanding of what the “holocaust hoax” is, and that it IS a hoax. There can be no question about it bc not only is there no evidence for it, but it has to be protected by law throughout Europe from even being questioned. All real history is allowed to be questioned and debated.
For what reason then does Greg Johnson choose to not even put up an argument in favor of NS Germany’s innocence but prefers to make the Jews innocent at the expense of NS Germans? It’s because Greg Johnson is a homosexual and NS Germany discouraged that orientation/outward show among men as harmful to society. Greg prefers to live in a more liberal (Jewish) society where his way of life is accepted. Greg’s ideal society is the “manosphere,” a gay man’s dream where women are needed only to produce and nurture children for homosexual’s to violate.
Again, you are denying that the knowledge exists now – it’s not up for debate. Mark’s job is to keep the “Institute for Historical Review” and all it’s resource material on ice, so to speak, away from any revival of enthusiasm. There’s no mystery – no red question mark. Mark works to keep the focus away from the massive weaknesses of the Holocaust narrative by focusing on other issues of “greater importance.” But what this effort shows/proves is that the holocaust hoax is incredibly important to the Jewish Zionist Lobby and losing it would be a massive blow to their “project” of dominating the middle east. The only thing equal to the “Holocaust” is the Hitler hoax. Those who try to downplay revisionist attention to these two ‘themes’, like Weber and Johnson do, are working for the Zionist Lobby — whatever their reasons may be. But we have to recognize that they’re flawed human beings.
As “unpleasant” and even “ugly and messy” this is to the so-called White Nationalist/truth movement, it is worse to hide it away and not deal with it. If serious push-back against the hoax of the holocaust dissipates because of attitudes like yours, Vagrant Rightest, we are forever lost. And for the first time, I can see it happening! Especially as we rely more and more on Jews to be the keepers of our truth. Why is it that a white man like Kevin MacDonald can’t do the job? Why are we so uncomfortable asking these questions?
Loathe these discussions because they are chocker block loaded with circular analysis.
The word was not respect. Respect is not a guarantee of the consititoion — but fair and equal treatment is. And that is the issue. I don’t have to respect another person to treat them fairly. One does not have to like or love black people. The emotional gratification turn made primarily by feminists and those engaged in same relational conduct as Constitutional mandate is more than problematic.
You don’t have to love or like black skin – but there is an expectation that one treat those of black skin who are citiziens as citizens. Whether Dr./Rev King was a savior or a diversion does not change the fact that men before him as far back as the founders made clear — discrimination on ythe basis of skin color — would end with devestating consequences. And those consequences are the society we live in today.
And what makes the matter more entangled is that the history of blacks in the US is that more whites and browns from other countries have been the beneficiaries of the redress and complaints legitimate for the black populations — with very little complaint. Finally, now that the Wall Street and the financial industry have hollowed out a good portion of the attainable economies for whites — there’s a real push to address immigration.
A process that was all fine and well when it was used to deny the black population access. The importation of millions of of white europeans and the move by the Supreme Court to water down the fourteenth amendment intended to protect black citizenship by claiming birth qualifies as the standard. Very telling that three years earlier in addressing the issue the court made clear the fourteenth amendment was to protect black citizenship and not inclusive equality — (seperate but equal).
Riots are a staple of the US expression. You might want to read a little history. And when riots primarily a mode of white expression of discontent against black population has a long arm through history and enabled by nearly mechanism of the US structuration. Take note of the riotous expression — almost entirely confined to themselves and their infrastrutures — rare ir ever are they heading to Beverly Hills or Manhattan or to the halls of power where the change is effectual.
My comments are not in support of riots or criminal conduct. But gthe cue is obvious and very telling —– the black president, did not pardon rioters. So why didn’t the 6th rioters not keep at it — they were promised redress even before the election.
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The burden of conservative ethos is always this weight of fairness — and sometimes I really really hate it. And Christ could have called down 10,000 angels to redress his disposition and did not.
“Welfare money is to the general population.”
The poor use more of it than the working class, middle class or upper class. If blacks aren’t more likely than whites to be poor, pay little in taxes, and use more welfare benefits, then the whole argument that they are less well off than whites due to racial discrimination is called into serious question. Is that an argument you really want to make?
You correctly point out that preferential hiring, contracting, etc., is not limited to blacks; it has also benefited white females, Latinos (who, indeed, can be as white as snow, but their Spanish surnames nevertheless allow them to pass as nonwhite), and so on. Still, blacks have benefited.
“[Rebalancing the scale more in favor of whites means] a return to a policy and practice in which whites practice the very behaviors that created a need to redress the issues.”
No, it just means ending discrimination against whites — discrimination that takes the form of racial preferences for nonwhites.
“No real recognition that blacks were getting [shafted] …”
Black grievances have dominated the national discussion for as long as I can remember. Whites bad/blacks good is pounded into our heads on a daily basis. Whites are getting fed up with it; hence the “black fatigue” meme.
“The power is and remains white centered.”
I should hope so. Whites are still the majority. Even when no racial group constitutes a majority, whites will be a plurality (the largest racial group) for some time to come.
“Identity politics …”
… is largely a Jewish creation. Jews have been pretty up front about wanting a disunited population in which they can feel safe as a small minority playing different groups off against each other.
” … nowhere in old or new scripture is skin color a factor.”
In the Old Testament, God separates the “nations,” meaning different peoples, tribes, races, and so on. In the Christian New Testament, race doesn’t matter, but the heavenly kingdom in which it doesn’t matter is not of this world. It is spiritual, not material.
This spiritual aspect is something we can experience on an individual basis when two or more persons of different races like or love each other. But individuals are not the same as groups. History shows that diversity + proximity = conflict. The US has been remarkable for its ability to accommodate diversity, but that ability is not unlimited.
“Most Jews are white.”
Jews consider non-Jews of whatever race to be – at worst – subhumans worthy only of being killed or enslaved, and – at best – playthings to manipulate to their own advantage. They fear and hate non-Jewish whites of Christian heritage more than any other group because white Romans destroyed their Temple and Christ demolished their claim to being God’s chosen people above all other peoples.
“No. I will continue to amuse myself by annoying you.”
You’re not annoying me. I’m enjoying our conversation.
“I live here in the US and see for myself how you’ve accepted minorities as equals (NOT).”
If you feel that way, maybe you should consider moving.
“I wouldn’t mind however if you FO and do your whining somewhere else.”
I’m not going anywhere.
” … ‘If I had been a Jew and had seen such dolts and blockheads govern and teach the Christian faith, I would sooner have become a hog than a Christian …’ …”
This quote from Martin Luther (you should have cited him) is bad theology. For example:
” … we should remember that we are but Gentiles, while the Jews are the lineage of Christ. We are aliens and in-laws; they are blood relatives, cousins and brothers of our Lord.”
Blood lineage means nothing to Christ. Matthew 3:7-11: “But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees [Jews] come to his baptism, he [John the Baptist] said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance. And think not to say within yourselves, we have Abraham to our father. For I say unto you that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham … ”
Jesus is God in human flesh. How can he be reduced to a mortal Jew? John 1:1 and 1:14: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us …”
Jesus ends the Jews’ chosen status in the Parable of the Vineyard. Matthew 21:33-46: [Jesus speaking to the Jews] “Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and then went into a far country. And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first, and they did unto them likewise. Last of all, he sent unto them his son, saying, they will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, this is the heir. Come, let us kill him and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him and cast him out of the vineyard and slew him. When the lord of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? [The Jews] say unto [Jesus], he will miserably destroy those wicked men and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? This is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore, say I unto you, the Kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Who comprises that nation? Christians – those who believe in and follow Jesus. Jews do not believe in and follow Jesus.
Luther is not wrong to be friendly and try to convert Jews into Christians. But when he places Jews above Christians based on lineage (which the Roman Catholic Church also does in Nostra Aetate), he is missing the point. You are not favored by God for your lineage, but for your belief and faith in Jesus Christ.
John 14:6: “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.”
Galatians 3:28: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Later on, Luther became acquainted with the Talmud and its slanders against Jesus, and he turned against the Jews.
Most churches today can hardly be considered Christian — and that includes the Roman Catholic Church.
While Protestants might seem to be the worst offenders, there was a time when mainstream Protestantism professed sound doctrine, evidenced in the commentaries of Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Robert Barnes, John Gill and Adam Clark. There are still some Protestant churches that preach sound doctrine based on those commentaries.
Roman Catholics almost always start these intra-Christian arguments. They are a pointless waste of time, because almost everyone involved is guilty. The only people who benefit from this division are anti-Christ Jews.
Eric135: “Most churches today can hardly be considered Christian …”
Oh, good point! Nor can most Scotsmen today be considered Scotsmen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman_fallacy
As you wish
Yes, in Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon times, muscular skills determined survival. Even more recently (in historical terms) Sparta — which boasted lots of physically fit spear chuckers — is not famous for its philosophers.
If World War III takes us back to basic survival mode, then once again mechanical skills will be top of the pops.
But we’re not (yet?) reduced to cave life again.
I do not look down on the value of mechanical aptitude, which is always useful. My point is that only some people naturally have that aptitude, while others are more suited by genetics (and to some extent nurture) for cognitive lines of work. And those mechanically talented are not entitled to sneer at the more intellectually inclined for not fixing the washing machine or installing a new roof. We need all kinds of people in a complex modern society.
Admirer’s comment no. 121:
Compare Admirer’s comment no. 118:
Admirer, if you must cut and paste in lieu of your own words, consider at least finding different sources to copy from.
That supposed fallacy is as dumb as you are.
Eric135: “That supposed fallacy is as dumb as you are.”
“Supposed” fallacy?! LOL
Please elaborate, Mr. Snappy Comeback.
Employ your towering intellect to explain how the “No True Scotsman” fallacy isn’t a true fallacy!
I am going to hold my water hear.
I did address each of your comments. But I opted to withhold most, for reasons of my own, not for lack of response.
You are sadly mistaken if you think I’m an EMJ acolyte. I’m not. I’m a racist. He is not. He abhors racism, I do not.
Yes, there are some 52 European Tribes and the Anglo-Saxons ARE a part of European culture, are Europeans—Anglo-Saxons are Germanic. There are TWO major Family Genus Europeans of Western Europe, the Teutons and the Celts. And they are to KEEP Separate.
Of Western Europe, there are the Hellenic Tribes, the Latin Tribes, the Teutonic Tribes and the Celtic Tribes. Of Eastern Europe, are the Slavic Tribes. All very different.
Miscegenation needs to end. And we are to Keep our own patriarchal Tribe.
This is NOT problematic at all.
Come on, Steve. Your missing my point. Stuff today is not made to be user repairable. Not like it was post WWII, or earlier. Your idea of first world and third world doesn’t even make sense. But to the points:
@anarchyst talks about changing a tire. If your car has run flats, how do you do that? You don’t. You have to get a new set. You may not like that, but that is not my fault.
Easier to repair cars today? Don’t think so. When I was a kid we changed out the factory shifter on a Pontiac GTO to a Hurst. Did that over the summer. Took a while. The car is my driveway has a 7 speed dual clutch transmission. If something goes wrong with it, I’m telling you that a cheap diagnostic probe and a few bucks spent on a part from Amazon won’t help fix it. And a few neighborhood kids aren’t going to be able to figure it out in their spare time, on the weekend during summer vacation.
I recently renovated a post WWII bungalow. All the wiring had to be changed out (from cloth to current code). Going to do that in your spare time, on the weekend?
BTW, I built one of my current hi-fi amps–tubes. Put it together in my spare time. Also have a SOA Benchmark stack. Even you can probably fix the tube gear, but are you going to be able to fix a Benchmark amp and companion DAC if it goes south? I don’t think you have that ability.
I could go on, but really. Enough it enough. Your post was fun to read though. Never thought I was ignorant, lazy, shameless and third world. Thanks for clarifying it. PS: if my AC goes out, I’ll give you a call.
They are both mine, no copying or pasting. The first one posted before I was done typing. Not sure why. It’s nice to see that you are omniscient though.
Great work? In the last half of that 30 yrs. he’s been UNDOING the work of the first half. In that time, has he moved the needle at all? But I’d like to ask Mark Green, in particular, and in all sincerity, what “great work” he thinks Mark Weber has done? What does ‘great work’ mean? I don’t expect anything intelligent or honest to come from Joe Webb but I do expect it (hope for it) from Mark Green.
Do you have a problem addressing your comments to people? Do you expect them to know about them telepathically?
“Explain how the “No True Scotsman’ fallacy isn’t a true fallacy.”
It’s an example of the hasty generalization fallacy described by Aristotle in Sophistical Refutations. Antony Flew (God and Philosophy, Thinking About Thinking) added nothing to what we already knew about fallacies. I doubt he even thought he was adding anything. Idiots like you have mistaken an illustration for the fallacy it illustrates or is an example of. When I see people screeching “No true Scotsman!” or “Whataboutism!” I know I’m dealing with the ignorant.
As to whether or not I have committed the fallacy of hasty generalization, an example would be: “I met two people from France, and they were both rude. Therefore, all French people are rude.” Those who try to defend “No true Scotsman” as being more than just an example of the hasty generalization fallacy claim that it redefines the group in question to exclude counterexamples. But hasty generalization does the same thing, excluding “all French people I haven’t met.”
Whether you’re talking about “No true Scotsman” or “hasty generalization,” I didn’t say or even suggest that all churches are non-Christian.
That Mark Weber…
The name sounded familiar but I had forgotten who he was, a forgetfulness caused by the “great work” he has done in making IHR forgettable too by making it jewish friendly. No need for “asperities” that any Holocaust™ revisionism can cause between friends.
Unlike other commenters, I don’t believe he is deluded. I deluded person is apt to be erratic and directionless. Not he. His compass is firmly set to navigate unerringly toward undoing the entire work painstakingly done by the founders of IHR.
“Our most formidable adversaries in the battle for ideas are not neo-Marxists or dreamy utopians, but rather the neo-conservative and neo-liberal apologists for the prevailing democratic-capitalist order. ”
Is that it? Think hard, Mr Weber. Any other “formidable adversary” you can think of?
“In the years just after the end of World War II, the U.S. population was some 90 percent European American. Whites were even a majority in every large U.S. city. Today, only a handful of large U.S. cities still have a majority White population. As everyone here is very aware, the U.S. population is, or very soon will be, a majority non-White. ….. radical cultural-racial change in the U.S. population since the 1950s..”
How did that “radical cultural-racial change” happen? Who promoted it?
Democrats have not learned anything, and my conspiratorial mind makes me wonder if there is a Republican “fifth column” among the Democrat elites working to ensure Democrats fail. The Trump win clearly shows that the majority of voters don’t want races to be discriminated against in USA via things like Affirmative Action. Back in the days the Democrats were just about giving a helping hand to those lower on the socio-economic ladder, without taking race/sex/religion/etc. into consideration. The Democrats can win back Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court if they went back to their original principles. No more putting races against each other: just one race – the American race. And, America means America – no more illegal aliens. Militarize the boarders at least as strong as Israel does. Deport all criminal illegal aliens, and MAYBE give relatively law abiding and relatively “moral” and hard-working illegal aliens a chance to earn their citizenship. And protect Americans from “serious” (non-victimless) crimes with the generous application of the death penalty. Traditional Democrats are supposed to protect law-abiding American citizens, not the criminals. Stop all the racial attacks on European-Americans by the government. No races, sexes, religions, sexual orientation anymore – just one American race, period. Respect traditional civic freedoms like unconditional free speech and the freedom of association – give people some room to self-segregate. Sure, big companies should not racially discriminate, nor government funded entities, since this would amount to outright mass racial oppression, but let small businesses, non-chain private schools, private clubs, and other relatively local entities self-segregate and hire and do business with whomever they want. Again, larger chain-type entities would not be allowed to segregate, like a county/state/nation-wide private school system or other business.
And, in the spirit of protecting law-abiding American citizens, remember that the police can only arrive after the crime has been committed. So, respect the Second Amendment. Sure, keep the granades, missile launchers, machine guns, and tanks out of the hands of private citizens. But completely keep your hands off pistols, revolvers, and “assault” rifles that are semi-automatic, as well as the size of magazines. Semi-automatic is perfect for a controlled neutralization of home invaders and street criminals, while automatic weapons are messy and only needed in war or if the police is taking down a large gang or something like that.
Democrats can then do any foreign policy they like – Americans don’t care about foreign policy, as long as American voters are domestically taken care of, like mentioned above. Just make sure all Americans have adequate paying jobs, and that means creating a healthy balance between economic nationalism and economic globalism – whatever balance that is required to ensure all Americans have good paying jobs and full medical/dental/vision health insurance coverage. That’s all that Americans want.
You are pitiful (Eric numb-nuts)
If it weren’t for your (copy /paste) of everything Wikipedia you’d have nothing intelligent to say, troll.
Eric135: “It’s an example of the hasty generalization fallacy …”
Although mistaken about that, here at least you agree it IS a fallacy, but still don’t explain why it’s a “dumb” fallacy.
Eric135: “I didn’t say or even suggest that all churches are non-Christian. ”
This fallacy is distinct from a hasty generalization. Someone who objects that a “true” Scotsman doesn’t put sugar on his porridge is in no way generalizing from a limited sample. He’s just re-defining the term “Scotsman” to avoid admitting he’s wrong.
In #134, you’ve re-defined the term “Christian” to exclude Christians you don’t approve of, in EXACTLY the same way given at the link. Your Christians who are not “true” Christians (e.g., Roman Catholics, according to you) correspond exactly to the Scotsmen who are not “true” Scotsmen because they put sugar on their porridge.
It’s horrible, childish “reasoning” (if we can even call it that), but not surprising coming from a self-described Christian. What else could we expect from lunatics who believe that corpses can come back to life, and that a really wonderful life can only begin after death? LOL
“You are pitiful (Eric numb-nuts) If it weren’t for your (copy / paste) of everything Wikipedia you’d have nothing intelligent to say, troll.”
Go ahead and show what I’ve copied and pasted. I’ll wait.
” … here you at least agree it IS a fallacy …”
Nice try. I was comparing different types of churches, not different types of Christians.
There are churches that are Christian and there are churches that are not, just as there are Scotsmen who eat porridge and Scotsmen who do not.
“… you redefined Christian.”
No, I didn’t. I just pointed out what it is and what it is not. And I used Scripture to back up what I said.
If we can’t point out what something is and what it is not, then we can’t have an intelligent conversation at all — which I’m sure would be just fine with you, “doctor.”
Eric135: “I was comparing different types of churches, not different types of Christians. ”
Sure! When you said that most churches today could hardly be considered Christian, you were just talking about the physical structures; the architecture. Iow, just the CHURCH, not the people attending the church, or the doctrines taught by the church and followed by those people. And you’re willing to admit that some Roman Catholics (one or two, maybe) might even be Christians, so long as they don’t actually follow the teachings of their Church, but instead follow the teachings of your church, or some other church you approve. It wasn’t a remark about other people at all!
(Anyone buying this? LOL)
Hi, Carolyn. Just saw your reply. it’s much appreciated. As for a better idea, sadly not.
i’ve thought, unrealistically, we might just give them Manhattan. There aren’t that many of them, and it’s already more or less theirs.
We could build a 30 meter high concrete wall around it and let them fend for themselves. But since they don’t farm or do manual labor we’d have to continue providing them with food, clothing, shelter, and energy. So… not feasible.
We can’t give them land anywhere else. Wouldn’t be fair. And since Americans love them so much, the U.S. is the logical place for them.
How about Hawaii? We could accomodate natives of the islands elsewhere. And we could maintain a naval blockade to keep the Js ‘in quarantine’ from the rest of the world’s population.
They could live on pineapples. And they could pick out some old ruined stone building, declare it their genuine ancient temple, and wail there.
You know, now that I write all that out, I think that may be THE solution!
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Oh well, back to earth. The truth is I’m terribly pessimistic about us and the chosen ones. Education, as you suggest, is indeed our only option.
Nope!
Not buying anything Wikipedia-boy (Eric numb-nuts) spews out!
I would give (((them))) Haiti…
The jews are always kvetching about their “tikkun olam” (making the world better (but only for jews)).
Jews ushered blacks into civil society in the USA with their “push” for so-called “civil rights. Observe the social chasm between blacks and whites which is much wider now.
Jews would feel right at home in Haiti where they could practice their “tikkun olam” on Haitian blacks.
Haiti would be an ideal jewish homeland as access could be controlled by the Dominican Republic Navy and customs control.
I couldn’t agree more, Eric.
I was raised Catholic in the fifties, i.e. before Vatican II/Second Vatican council.
“When you said that most churches today could hardly be considered Christian, you were just talking about the physical structures; the architecture. Iow, just the CHURCH, not the people attending the church or the doctrines taught by the church and followed by those people.”
I said things like, “Those gothic arches are hardly Christian”? No, I didn’t. I was talking about doctrine and comparing what Christ taught to what churches today teach.
I’d still like to know why you don’t address your comments to anyone. Has Ron taken away your reply button?
“Nope! Not buying anything Wikipedia-boy (Eric numb-nuts) spews out!”
Neener, neener, neener to you, too, kike troll [“Little recent commenting history”].
Eric135: “I was talking about doctrine and comparing what Christ taught to what churches today teach.”
To criticize the doctrines of other Christian churches as not “true” Christianity must mean that you consider the people that believe in and practice those doctrines not “true” Christians.
The irony is that they probably say the same thing about you, and would justify it by quoting the Bible too. The implication of this is that Christianity itself is inherently meaningless, because Bible quotes can be found to justify anything. Everyone assumes there’s got to be a “true” Christianity, yet who’s the “true” Christian is, and must forever remain, only a matter of opinion. Perhaps all are. Or perhaps none are, which would be most amusing. Two thousand years of palaver about Jesus, and perhaps there are still no “true” Christians at all to show for it! LOL
Eric135: “Has Ron taken away your reply button? ”
You could say that. The reply function is only available when you enable javascript, and for security reasons, I don’t.
I yield, anarchyst. Haiti it is.
Now that their tikkun olam has ‘improved’ the U.S. beyond all recognition it’s time for them to repeat their good work elsewhere.
Bill and Hellery didn’t make much headway down there. Let’s see what the pros can do.
“To criticize the doctrines of other Christian churches as not true Christianity must mean …”
You’re committing the circular reasoning fallacy of assuming as true (the other Churches being Christian) what you claim to be true (that they are Christian).
” … they would say the same thing about you.”
It doesn’t matter what they say, it matters what is true. Do the claims they and their churches make contradict what Jesus Christ said? If the answer is yes, then they are not Christian.
” … who’s the true Christian is, and must forever remain, only a matter of opinion.”
No, it’s a matter of fact. If what you believe contradicts what Jesus Christ said, then you are not a Christian.
Eric135: “You’re committing the circular reasoning fallacy of assuming as true (the other Churches being Christian) what you claim to be true (that they are Christian).”
You’ve completely missed the point. I’m not assuming anything about anyone. Here I merely take at face value what all of you self-described Christians say about yourselves, i.e., that you are “true” Christians. To that I answer, maybe, maybe not. Where your claims are at variance, it’s not for me to decide who’s right. Unlike you, I don’t claim to have unerring insight into what constitutes “true” Christianity.
Eric135: “No, it’s a matter of fact. ”
That you think that your interpretation of the Bible must always be the only correct one is ludicrous and egotistical beyond belief. And in fact, I go further, and say that to think that there even IS a correct interpretation is at the heart of your delusion. It means your fundamentalism is fundamentally meaningless. The historical fact that what has been considered a “true” Christianity varies from time to time and place to place is a powerful indication there is no “true” Christianity at all.
A trained monkey can wire up a house. Code says this goes here or there, you drill some holes, nail some boxes here and there, and pull the wires. Literally the easiest job in construction, except perhaps for the guys who do insulation.
As for modern transmissions, I have done exactly that to several cars where professional mechanics told me to take it to a transmission place for an overhaul, but I diagnosed a sensor problem, bought a $20 sensor from China and installed it myself one evening. Crankshaft position sensor was a bastard to identify. I bought that car for $200 because no mechanic had been able to fix it and it was going to the scrapyard.
Part of the problem is that people without mechanical aptitudes think those who do manual work do so because they’re stupid and can’t do all that intellectuamacallit work.
“I’m not assuming anything about anyone”
You have assumed to be Christian — by calling them Christian — the churches you have claimed are Christian. That is circular reasoning.
“That you think that your interpretation of the bible must always be the only correct one is ludicrous and egotistical beyond belief.”
I’m not interpreting the bible; I’m comparing what Jesus taught to what churches teach.
“The historical fact that what has been considered ‘true’ Christianity varies from time to time and place to place is a powerful indication that there is no ‘true’ Christianity at all.”
Have you ever taken a test and been corrected when you gave the wrong answer? Did you deny that the answer you gave was wrong and then confront your teacher or professor and say that there’s no right answer so you couldn’t possibly be wrong?
Or perhaps you, being a doctor, have corrected other people’s test answers and penalized the people you believe have given wrong answers. If so, do you now believe that you were wrong to do that because there are no right answers?
This is the little game you seem to be trying to play with me, and it’s not going to work. You’re trying to turn something simple and straightforward into a great mystery. And you’re saying, in effect, that the truth is a matter of opinion instead of being independent of people’s opinions. This stance can only lead to self-contradiction, as what you are effectively saying is that it is objectively true that there is no objective truth.
The simple fact is that if you believe things that contradict what Jesus said, you are not a Christian. It’s not at all ludicrous for me to point that out. It’s ludicrous for you to deny it.
To put it in a somewhat less nice way, doctor, you are a fraud.
Eric135: “You have assumed to be Christian — by calling them Christian — the churches you have claimed are Christian. That is circular reasoning.”
I’m not assuming anyone’s a “true” Christian. I’m merely allowing for the possibility that all are, a few are, or perhaps none are. With your insane confidence in your own infallibility, that’s something you don’t do. It’s that ridiculous confidence that’s what’s the real circular “reasoning” here. You begin with the assumption that you alone know the truth, and everyone else is wrong unless they agree with you. You assume what you are setting out to prove.
Eric135: “Have you ever taken a test and been corrected when you gave the wrong answer? ”
That’s a question you should ask yourself, infallible one. What I’m saying is that only Jesus is in a position to know what Jesus “really” taught. To me — and I think, to any rational person — it’s entirely possible that no one else has ever “really” understood him. Iow, I allow for the possibility there may actually be a “true” Christianity, but no one besides Jesus knows what it is.
Eric135: “I’m not interpreting the bible; I’m comparing what Jesus taught to what churches teach.”
To think you know what Jesus taught at all is interpretation. Your confidence in your own infallibility is hilarious.
Eric135: “The simple fact is that if you believe things that contradict what Jesus said, you are not a Christian.”
Jesus is probably a mythical figure, but even if he did exist, much of what this character supposedly “said” is couched in poetic language inherently subject to many interpretations. For example, when Jesus advises you to pluck out your eye or cut off your hand or your foot to avoid “sinning”, does he really mean for you to physically do that? Origen of Alexandria, an early Christian, apparently once thought so. It’s said he was so impressed with that passage, and with Jesus’ words in Matthew 19:12, that he cut his own balls off! Tell us, infallible one, have you done likewise? If not, why not? What is the “true” Christian supposed to do?
Sometimes Jesus even contradicts himself. In Matthew 12:30, Jesus states “Whoever is not with me is against me.” Yet, in Mark 9:40, he says “Whoever is not against us is for us.” Which is a “true” Christian supposed to believe? What’s the word from Pope Eric135 on that? LOL
Catholics and Christians of all types are welcome within the faith. This does not negate the need or desire for Christians to establish their own racially or culturally separate communities. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Christians who desire to do so.
Many people have the mistaken assumption that Christianity demands that racial or cultural boundaries be abolished. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Yes, there are Christian sects that preach (and desire) “multiculturalism and diversity”, much of this attitude being driven by outside (jewish) interests, in order to destabilize Christian and other cultural and societal preferences.
THAT is the jewish way–reserving social and cultural exclusivity for themselves while spreading their “multiculturalism and diversity” poison demanding that “the rest of us (gentiles)” give up social and cultural exclusivity.
All one has to do is see what jews did to Catholicism with the imposition of their “mandates” on the Vatican II Ecumenical Council. It is when jews got their “get out of jail free” card, being “forgiven” for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ, despite their hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity that exists to this very day.
Let’s not forget the “slide” towards “anything goes” when it comes to sexual matters. The promotion of homosexuality by jewish interests has led to other sordid perverted practices being legitimized. From homosexuality and LGBTQXYZ perversions imposed on civil societies and on vulnerable children to pedophilia which is about to be “normalized”, even the Catholic Church is not immune from such sinful practices and heresy.
Normalizing what was once considered “mental illness” at the behest of jewish interests has only one solution…
The “Austrian painter” had the right idea–expulsion…
The “problem” remains…expulsion to where?
I made up the ridiculous username Dietrich (after Dietrich Eckhart), and it turns out there was another user named “Dietrich” and my two messages are merged with his. Anyway, yes, the problem is that “whites are split,” but the reason for this is that whites no longer grow up in small villages; in ethnically homogeneous towns; in ethnic neighborhoods in large cities. When there used to be a Germany, a Denmark, an Ireland, etc,. it was meaningful to think in terms of the clan, the race, and so on. Now, all such thinking is synthetic and artificial, for the most part. I will grant that in traditional European nations, there is still much sense in this.
As a “white guy,” I am drawn to this rhetoric, but I recognize that it is irrational and useless, a form of poetry or mysticism. What rides on the back of that mysticism is a lot of darkness, evil demonic energy, and possibly even bloodshed. I do not think this rhetoric is as dangerous as the ADL does, but I would not want to die with dreams of Odin and Ragnarok in my mind. The world is going to burn to the ground. The ancient Stoics taught the doctrine of the Ekpyrosis, the Christians have their Parousia when the elements are consumed by fire, and the Old Norse have their Ragnarok and the burning of Valhalla. Indeed, the Poetic Edda sees something like “black and brown” mass migration at the end vis a vis Sutr/Svart; and even old St. Columbkille said that Ireland would be “inundated” a symbolic seven years before the end of the world. The dismal tide, Robert the Bruce. The dismal tide.
I am interested in these concepts, but I do not believe in them. I am actually tired of thinking about them. Of course, America is becoming a Third World shithole. Of course, Valhalla is being invaded by the dark elves. But it does not really help so very much to constantly reflect on this, since there is nothing that can be done about it. The only salvation is to spiritually transcend these mundane realities.
“I’m not assuming anyone’s a true Christian.”
You have assumed to be Christian — by calling them Christian — the churches you have claimed are Christian.
That is circular reasoning, and it’s a fallacy.
“You begin with the assumption that you alone know the truth.”
Me alone? I have not said or suggested that.
“[You assume] everyone is wrong if they don’t agree with you.”
Au contraire. I invite anyone to show how I’m wrong using facts and logic. You haven’t done that.
” … only Jesus is in a position to know what Jesus really taught.”
You could say that about anyone and everyone, which would mean we can’t learn or know anything.
Again, you trap yourself in a contradiction by claiming to know that we can’t know. But if we (which includes you) can’t know, then you don’t know that we can’t know.
” … subject to many interpretations … even contradicts himself …”
That Jesus made a handful of ambiguous statements that are open to different interpretations is hardly proof that we can’t know what he meant, generally speaking. The same goes for the few occasions when one Gospel contradicts another Gospel.
Your arguments are sophomoric. Are you sure you’re not a pimply kid with paperbacks by Derrida and Nietzsche stuffed under your pillow? Why do you call yourself a doctor?
And what’s the great security threat you face that makes other Unz readers have to hunt for your replies because you won’t use the reply button?
Eric135: “You have assumed to be Christian — by calling them Christian — the churches you have claimed are Christian.”
I initially assume YOU are Christian only because you call yourself that. It’s a courtesy I extend to everyone who so describes himself. The question is, do you, or does anyone else, actually qualify as a “true” Christian. That’s what we’re trying to settle.
We’re defining two classes of people — those who, perhaps falsely, call themselves Christians, and those who are “true” Christians (granting, for the sake of argument, that such people even exist) — and you’re confusing the two, probably deliberately, because you realize your position is untenable. Although you could actually be a sincerely confused dimwit, in which case I pity you. I’ve tried to make this distinction foolproof, but alas, nothing is proof against a fool.
Eric135: “Me alone? I have not said or suggested that.”
According to the premises of our argument, I understand you to be saying that if anyone disagrees with your interpretation of what Jesus said (such as, e.g., Roman Catholics), he’s not a “true” Christian. Not to be too harsh, but frankly, I think the chance of finding ANYONE who would ALWAYS agree with your interpretation is zero. Therefore, you must stand alone.
Eric135: “Au contraire. I invite anyone to show how I’m wrong using facts and logic. You haven’t done that. ”
In your opinion.
Eric135: “You could say [we can’t know what Jesus meant] about anyone and everyone, which would mean we can’t learn or know anything.”
Non sequitur. We have other sources of knowledge about the world besides what we’re told by others. And with respect to others, it’s not that we can’t THINK we know what someone meant, it’s just that we can’t know for a certainty what someone else meant. That’s pretty obvious and easy to prove. Such disagreements are the stuff of disputes all the time, filling all courts of law and seminaries. The moral pronouncements and recommendations of Jesus are particularly obscure and subject to dispute — much more so than simple statements of fact would be.
That you THINK that you ALWAYS know what Jesus meant is, as I said, hilarious. Part of what makes you such a LOLcow is that others also, with equal conviction, THINK they know what he meant. In the good old days, you Christians would actually murder each other over such differences of opinion. What a pity they no longer have the strength of their convictions! Modern Christianity is full of weak little namby-pambys like you. If you had even an ounce of integrity, instead of arguing with me, you’d be off burning heretics, or being burned as one yourself.
“… Jesus made a handful of ambiguous statements …”
LOL They were ALL ambiguous.
I am swamped with figuring out some issues about lawn care and what choices and how to take on several projects — all of which have to be tackled in the evening or when its cloudy — so excuse the delay.
I am posting my previous almost as originally written — barely tackling correcting the typical writing issues. So its as closely the original on the day posted.
a. I am not going to get sidetracked here. The point is that welfare is not uniquely targeted to blacks, though the white press machine would love have the country think so. Not only do whites benefit from government welfare, they were granted welfare even when blacks despite existing in the same circumstances did not. Not during the supposed “New Deal”, not when it was clear that whites were giving themselves preferences despite supposed qualifications. Black farmers to this day do not get the subsidies handed to whites now or in the past.
b. Your press is that these programs are exclusively black oriented and the evidence simply does not support the contend. Whether black greviences get more press coverage is not the same thing as correcting the greviences involved.
c. Note those programs have largely benefitted whites and hispanics whether white or shades darker. Even now the much touted DEI programs have largely been dominated by whites.
d. Well, there is always white backlash to correcting the system. It is not new. After the civil war, despite whites being entirely responsible for ythe mess — they complained about blacks being treated as equals. The complainst of today by whites is just another in a long series of supposed white offense because the system dared to open what was denied, delayed or swindled from blacks as citizens. The hissfits ressulted in the election of Pres Nixon (one of my favorites) Pres Reagan, both Bush Presidencies, even Clinton managed to use the complaint in manipulating the crime stats to his advantage, and clearly, both elections of the current executive. They are all white backlash against the results of the systems attempts to correct the error in managing and socializing the country around black skin as the target of ills. Sadly with every hissift, the case made regarding white power politics is made in plain sight. Whites fighting back is as old as the country’s end of the civil war. It is a very strange complaint given the power structure and practices. Now I think the same exists among democrats, just not as openly as among republicans and my fellow conservatives.
e. Most whites don’t appear to understand the truths that the founders established but failed to practice. One is not treated fairly or justly because they are equal — that is no the point. Someone is always going have more of this or that, be more skilled in this or that, be better looking, etc. The point of the nation is that despite one’s status, good looks, wealth position, . . . justice and fair treatment are granted — bestowed and our system is act accordingly. The notion is extremely profound in my view and the attempt to establish such a system even more so. The Republican party has an organization called the black republicans — based not on a different ethos but skin color — Diverse skin colors don’t matter, unless one persistently and consistently makes that case.
f. Hmmmm . . .that is interesting. I have rarely heard the notion as a national division blacks good whites bad. What is happening is the awareness that whites have gamed the system toward whote benefit, putting place practices and policies to ensure blacks in every way see themselves and are seen as less than. They have completely upended the very purpose of the nation’s existence. Now granted the founders set that in motion and leader after leader has followed the same.
g. Ohhh nonsense, identity politics is part and parcel to politics itself. human beings have not needed jews to instruct them on associations and power politics dynamics. The problem is that politics of this nature based on skin color as a key variable is just devoid of any meaning. A black person living in Detroit is not by definition going to believe, think, feel and behave as a black person in NYC. The blacks involved in Chicago politics The general consensus regarding white power structuration and practice is not a feeling blacks have. It is based on a 250 plus historical record. And it is absolutely clear that despite black attempts to demonstrate their “americaness” in that history — whites repudiated them as a whole. Identity politics around skin color was not created by Jews.
h. again, I won’t stray from the point. Whites made skin color a factor in faith and practice and applied that to the socialization and politics of the country. And while the ideal as established by Christ is not related or connected to skin color — whites again doing the opposite of its founding and founder, made it so. They may be practitioners — but they are not uniquely the founders.
i. The diversity game shpould be embarrassing to anyone who engages it. Absolutely diversity can introducce conflict. But skin color is not that variable. Well our country has made it so. Presuming they are reading in english a black person reading Homer is not going to read Homer any differently than a white person, simply based on skin color. There is no ethos about skin color that is nature born. And it was widely used to reinforce that blacks knew and kept their place. That their lot was foreordained by God —- entirely false.
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There is no real discrimination against whites. Not when ine looks at the data. There is redress. There are attempts to rebalance the system to compensate — that is not all what is understood as the discrimination in question or its consequences on the minds, hearts, economies, education and social dynamics rfor US citizens. And I am not one to claim that such measures are perfect. But the case that the discrimination practiced on whole for the countries history against the black population can be equated to those attempts to redress are embarrassing. It is not the pot calling the kettle black. Nor do I make a case t5hat blacks are saints above reproach as a people.
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I used to hold so many views t5hat in light of actaul knowledge are embarrassing.
after the civil war blacks wandered aimlessly about the country
blacks kids refusing to attend school and others about welfare, crime . . .
one year at a christian college — upended all of that. Whites can in a flash become dangerous to any white person by divine right of whiteness.
No blacks did not wander aimlessly. They set about doing what whites did, seeking to make the country their home as citizens, they sought to enjoy and enrich themselves and their nation by their efforts, with this caveat: they also set about looking for their familes sold, traded or stolen during the years of slavery. And they had to do it knowing or discovering that they enmass were considered a scourge. And that identity was forced on them by the majority that taught it, preached it, manipulated science, religion and politics to support and justify it.
Black kids parents kept them from school to eep them safe from acts of discrimination and violaence from whites.
I would that I had stayed in my bubble . . . but knowledge is also dangerous to one’s reality. And i have had to adjust mine.
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I don’t know any Jews that are subhuman nor do I suspect they exist. Maybe those that engage in the subhuman conduct as other humans — but that is not because they are jews.
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I have been reading the comments regarding who constitutes a christian. Certainly one christian can admonish another — but who is a christian according to the new testament is indicated “by their fruit”. False prophets by the 100% accuracy of their predictions as such are coming from God. As for false teachers and prophets whether they are teaching God’s words and intent as opposed to their own.
As for weeding out true christians from false christians that seems to be a much tougher affair. I think the prarable about wheat and tares makes the case.
“I initially assume you are a Christian … because you call yourself that. It’s a courtesy I extend …”
It doesn’t justify defective reasoning: “So and so must be a Christian because he says he is.”
“The question is, do you, or does anyone else, qualify as a ‘true’ Christian?”
No, the question is, Are there Christians? I would say that your use of the terms “qualify” and “true” are intended to obscure that question.
“We’re defining two classes of persons, those who, perhaps falsely, call themselves Christians, and those who are true Christians.”
No, we’re defining two classes of persons, those who are Christians and those who are not.
“We have other sources of knowledge besides what we are told by others.”
If we could not know what people mean when they say things (which is what you claim to be the case), then we would have much less knowledge than we have today. We would effectively know nothing at all outside of our own personal experience.
“It’s not that we can’t think we know what someone meant, it’s that we can’t know for a certainty what someone else meant.”
We can’t know anything for certain apart from hypothetical “if-then” statements such as, “If A is greater than B, and B is greater than C, then A is (must be) greater than C.” If that’s your standard, then we know nothing for certain about the world we experience. If we didn’t decide on things because we couldn’t be absolutely certain of them, then we couldn’t function at all. But that’s the standard you want to apply. It’s nonsense.
“[Jesus’ statements] are ALL ambiguous.”
List 30 ambiguous statements by Jesus.
“Modern Christianity is full of weak little namby-pambys like you.”
The weak little namby-pamby here is you, putting scare quotes around the word “true,” making people you argue with hunt for your replies, deflecting when you’re caught committing fallacies, and so on.
Your squid-like tactics of obscuring, complicating and mystifying, expelling ink and then slithering away, are not the marks of a rational, independent-minded person but of a weak-minded follower who never had any interest in knowing the truth. In your little world, truth is nothing more than what the powerful want you to say, and you dutifully say it in order to get a pat on the head and a handful of shekels.
You are, indeed, a most pathetic specimen.
I’m going to paraphrase and briefly reply to the points you make, because quoting you directly and then responding in full would take too long. I am putting your points in italics.
Welfare is not uniquely targeted to blacks, even though the press would have people think so.
I agree that welfare for whites is talked about less than welfare for blacks. This is partly because the media wants people to believe everything is just hunky-dory for whites and they are all privileged oppressors.
During the New Deal, blacks got little or nothing, and whites got everything.
The New Deal did have benefits for blacks. Blacks participated in the WPA, Federal Art Project (e.g., Harlem Renaissance) and Civilian Conservation Corps. Literacy programs taught a million blacks to read and write. Schools, hospitals and community centers were constructed and renovated in black communities. Eleanor Roosevelt and Harold Ickes pushed for black inclusion and for anti-discrimination clauses in New Deal contracts. There was even a Black Cabinet helping to shape New Deal policies in the FDR Administration.
Black farmers never got subsidies.
$2.2 billion was allocated by Congress for black farmers, ranchers and forest landowners by Congress. The program started accepting applications in 2023. I believe all the money has been distributed.
More white women and Hispanics than blacks have benefited from racial and gender preferences that discriminate against white males.
Yes, I believe I pointed that out.
White backlash …
The backlash I see is against black misbehavior (BLM riots of 2020), blacks committing many more crimes against whites than whites commit against blacks, racial false flags (Michael Brown, Covington Catholic kids, George Floyd), discrimination against and demonization of whites, tearing down statues of white historical figures, and the claim that if blacks don’t achieve equal outcomes, it’s because of white racism. Not all of this stuff is caused by blacks. A lot of it is caused or exacerbated by people (disproportionately Jewish and left leaning) who are using blacks for their own nefarious, antiwhite, anti-American purposes.
Most whites don’t understand the idea of treating everyone equally and fairly.
I would say that’s true of most people.
Whites continue to discriminate against and oppress blacks, trying to make them feel “less than.”
Things are far from perfect, but it’s not 1950 — much less 1860 — anymore.
Identity politics based on skin color was not created by Jews.
It was and continues to be exploited and exacerbated by Jews – with George Soros being a prime example.
White Christians did not accept blacks as equals even within the faith.
I don’t know of any white preachers today with any kind of following who are advocating racial discrimination or segregation.
Diversity can cause conflict, but not diversity of skin color.
Any society that doesn’t allow freedom of association is headed for trouble.
There is no discrimination against whites, just redress of the discrimination whites practiced against blacks.
Redress would be penalizing slave owners, red-liners, and other people who actually mistreat blacks. The slave owners are long gone. No whites living today ever owned a black slave.
Jews are not subhuman.
I didn’t say they were.
Bad behavior by Jews doesn’t happen because they are Jews.
To a large extent it does. The Talmud says Jews have to treat each other fairly, but not other people. In fact, The Talmud orders Jews to mistreat other people.
Who is Christian is known by his fruits.
There are people who never heard of Jesus but who follow the natural law (obey the conscience that God gave them). They are not Christian, but they will be as welcome in heaven as anyone else.
The parable of the wheat and the tares …
The tares are bad actors and poseurs who pretend to be Christian.
Eric135: “It doesn’t justify defective reasoning: “So and so must be a Christian because he says he is.””
I haven’t said anyone’s a “true” Christian at that point in the argument, as you acknowledge in your next statement. Namely,
Eric135: “No, the question is, Are there Christians?”
That’s right.
Eric135: “I would say that your use of the terms “qualify” and “true” are intended to obscure that question.”
LOL Only if by “obscure” you mean “illuminate”. Surely even a moron — e.g., even YOU — must admit that it’s logically possible that if two people hear a statement by a third person (who may or may not be Jesus), both may not understand what is meant. And in fact, this even occurs in the Bible you claim to have read. There are several passages in which the followers of Jesus ask him to explain what he meant after he’s just said something. Obviously, that wouldn’t be necessary if they already understood. And clearly, it’s also possible that they still didn’t understand, even after the explanation.
If, as you maintain, the only “true” Christians are the ones who’ve correctly understood what ALL the many sayings of Jesus actually mean, then equally clearly, it’s possible that there are no “true” Christians, only people who falsely claim to be. And again, only Jesus is in a position to know for certain what he actually meant. Given that on several occasions even the apostles ask him for clarification, I think your claim to perfect insight at all times into his “true” meaning should be viewed with extreme skepticism.
Eric135: “If we didn’t decide on things because we couldn’t be absolutely certain of them, then we couldn’t function at all. But that’s the standard you want to apply. It’s nonsense.”
Life does indeed involve a lot of guesswork. I assume the sun will come up tomorrow morning, but will it? Maybe, maybe not. Or again, I assume you are a Christian because you say so. But are you? Maybe, maybe not.
Eric135: “List 30 ambiguous statements by Jesus.”
List ONE that isn’t.
“… making people you argue with hunt for your replies …”
I’m not making you do anything. You are continuing to embarrass yourself of your own free will.
Eric135: ” … deflecting when you’re caught committing fallacies, and so on.”
You haven’t shown any fallacies.
Eric135: “Your squid-like tactics of obscuring, complicating and mystifying, expelling ink and then slithering away, …”
The process you’re describing is called rational discussion. It’s clear you’re unfamiliar with it.
Eric135: “… are not the marks of a rational, independent-minded person but of a weak-minded follower who never had any interest in knowing the truth.”
You’re projecting again.
Eric135: “In your little world, truth is nothing more than what the powerful want you to say, and you dutifully say it in order to get a pat on the head and a handful of shekels.”
Oh no! It’s not the “you have defeated me in argument and therefore you must be a Jew” accusation, is it? LOL That’s so hackneyed, Eric135! Try to be a little more creative.
Eric135: “You are, indeed, a most pathetic specimen. ”
I’d say that you are yourself a type of specimen, Eric135. A stool specimen! LOL
“There are several passages in which the followers of Jesus ask him to explain what he meant after he just said something.”
Jesus explains what he meant, does he not? So what’s the problem?
“It’s also possible that they don’t understand, even after the explanation.”
Would their inability to understand mean you or I couldn’t understand? Where is there any indication that they don’t understand the explanation?
“If, as you maintain, the only ‘true’ Christians …”
I have not maintained anything about “true” Christians, whatever that means (are you being sarcastic when you put quotation marks around the word “true”?) I have only maintained things about churches and their parishioners.
“… only Jesus is in a position to know for certain what he actually meant.”
If that’s true about Jesus, then it’s true about anyone and everyone. That would mean all of our knowledge about the world that is based on what people have said is suddenly gone.
“I think your claim to perfect insight at all times into his ‘true’ meaning …”
I have said nothing about his “true” meaning. I have not used the word “true” in quotation marks. As to his meaning, I’ve said and continue to maintain that not being able to explain a handful of ambiguous or unclear statements does not mean that you can’t understand what Jesus meant, generally speaking.
“List ONE [statement by Jesus that isn’t ambiguous].”
I’ll list more than one:
KJV John 4:50: Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth.
KJV John 5:8: Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
KJV John 6:10: And Jesus said, Make the men sit down.
“Oh no! It’s not the … ‘you … must be a Jew’ accusation, is it?”
You said it, I didn’t. Paranoid much?
Wouldn’t you be proud of being a Jew? You have all the slippery characteristics of one!
Eric135: “I’ve said and continue to maintain that not being able to explain a handful of ambiguous or unclear statements does not mean that you can’t understand what Jesus meant, generally speaking. ”
This admission of yours is fatal to your argument, so we don’t really need to proceed any further. As I understand it, your claim is that anyone who differs with you on ANY point as to the meaning of what ANYTHING Jesus said isn’t a Christian. Here you not only admit you yourself don’t understand “a handful” of his statements, which means that even YOU are not a Christian when judged by your own standards. LOL More, you seem now to be softening your initial claim and trying to weasel out of it. Now you say that someone must only understand him “generally speaking”, which I suppose must refer to understanding some of his statements but not all of them. This leaves it entirely unclear how many disagreements you must have with someone else who claims to be a Christian before you would denounce him as non-Christian. Let’s take your example of Roman Catholics as illustrative. You say they aren’t Christian. What’s the basis of this? Which sayings of Jesus have they misunderstood, according to you? And how many “mistakes” were they allowed to make before you decided they weren’t Christian?
Appreciate the response,
and if you examine the consequences of those programs in implementation — the black population was largely cut out. I am glad you mentioned NYC. Because mayor Laguardia himself made the rounds to the black churches and said, they would not let him do it. Elseqwhere around the country and this is an old story — whites routinely rioted to block the black people in thise neighborhoods barring them from participation. You see there is what is on papaer and then there is reality. Un the US and I have referenced the text before regarding the history of welfare, the black population largely benefitted from private services and government programs were largely barred to them. Even I once thought that the black population had the lions share, but apparently history tells another story.
It never really dawned on me that white animosty to black skin was extensive . . . we just have to be real about and its impact.
I am going to walk carefully here. Your paraphrasing is ok, but misleading to my position. BLM as I understand is not targeting whites per se. Their protests are targeted to the system that ised to enforce and maintain the unfairness. That the system is largely owned by whtes is really incidental. But it would naturally follow that whites in said position might experince the push back more acutely. Furthermore, the backlash as you state has meant whites in opposition in the streets engaged in push back – one would expect said white and black conflicts in those scenarios. I would further add that the most aggressive elements are ANTIFA and they are largely white in demographics.
I think your rereference to 1950 makes the point. No it is not 1950 and yet black farmers who were and are subject to the same forces as white farmers receiving subsidies are denied until 2025. Itrt’s not merely a single time or a singular event. It’s an entire ethos. In which whites by nature of their skin color feel entitled. Their families fortumaes all benefitting from said support, while the black farmer does not. That’s what the founders left us. It is not that even or this event, it’s a national legacy. And no white black endemic social sphere we have inherited was not created by jews . . . very few jews as part of our founding. I remember a book entitled “Why are all the black kids sitting together”
seems a rather silly question. For the same reason the daughters of the american revolution denied black entry in their organization whose lineage included black patriots close to 12% of the population as fighters in the revolution for the country. It doesn’t take long to get the message about whi gets what and where one exists. Set the rules early and then enforce them, even if they violate the law. Red lining, denying this or that has long term deep consequences. Slavery ended in the 19th century, that did end the social construction of where blacks rest and should be . . .
It’s nice to pretend the past has only history in the past. Its 2025 and we are still calling people who are in fact by skin tone black because they had some family member who had darks skin — so as a qualification as a marker — skin color is key — one can change their language, their dress, their way of walking, but skin tone – there is no escape.
As for the state of our churches . . . they have started to address the issue in the mid to late 200’s unfortunately in was accompnaied by same relational conduct practitioners, illegal immigrants . . . and of course white women being pastors, and a host of other useful dodges to avoid the obvious. Both of which are entirely in a different ball park, and white women have really jumped the shark and done so successfully. And again, no has to overtly discriminate it’s built in. It’s the life we live on the social plane. And its consequences sadly are deeply infused in our system. It’s what Paul might refer to as — the thorn, that constantly plagues him, regardless of his attempts to remove it.
Suppose tomorrow I steal a car. I hand that stolen car to my son. Your contention seems to be that the returning the car to the rightful owner should be denied because he was not the theif.
The US is not governed by the Talmud and there is no rfescue in making that claim. Our issues are our issues. We should own them. A blackperson who steals a car cannot blame white discrimination for that theft. But he or she could certainly make a claim rfegarding due process to resolve the matter — if said evidence existed. Oresident Grant is in my mind one of the best presidents the country has ever had. He tackled this matter head on — and soon discovered the rest of the country didn’t want to tackle it or even resolve it. Where did he turn —- improving the lot of Mexicans.
One of the relities regarding this issue is that regardless of government action — public will matters. There are only 2% of the US population who are jews —- fault does not lie exclusively with them.
And I know, I am not supposed to expose any laundry regarding the Daughters of the American Revolution” bad me.
At any rate I hate this issue its legs will last much longer than you or I will. Are things better absolutely. Done — not even close, despite the numbers of black people in TV, film and commercials or professional sports for that matter.
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I agree there are millions of moral, decent, fair minded people who act in accordance with Christ;s mandate better many prfessing christians. But that is not the cornerstone of being a christian. And so i will beg out the who is goi g to heaven contend.
I think the point of the whet and tares is that trying to seperate them would be worse than leaving the matter til the end and let God sort it out.
I have not addressed all of your comments this time . . . but just making some observations.
The “central solution” isn’t about “how [children] are educated”. That’s a gross misdiagnosis of the central problem; unfortunately, almost everyone guesses at some environmental/culture/society factor like that.
If you want the truth (few do, but you seem thoughtful, at least, and I liked your comment), watch some of Professor Edward Dutton’s videos (aka The Jolly Heretic) or look at his scientific papers or read his books.
In brief, before Western men’s Industrial Revolution, youth mortality (dead before 16) was about 50% everywhere, throughout history. Mostly, the worst half of children wouldn’t make it (lower IQ, more criminal, lazy, etc.), due to infectious diseases, etc. This was eugenic – it’s why humans gradually thrived and eventually had a population explosion recently. However, nowadays, more than 99% of children in the West survive to adulthood and reproduction age, and more than 95% of all children. This is dysgenic.
As you can imagine, flooding one’s own population for probably a couple of centuries or more with inferior children means a chronic decline in the average quality of your people. Each generation is worse than the last. “Children these days…” is an accurate complaint, but it’s not exactly their fault as they’re genetically less fortunate than we are, just as we’re less genetically fortunate than our parents’ generation.
Forgot to mention an important factor – it seems it’s always been the case that the genetically-worst half of any human population have more children than the better half. If more or less all children survive to adulthood, the average genetic quality will inevitably go down over time until people are so stupid and lazy* that natural selection makes a comeback or something else happens like Human Genetic Engineering becomes good enough and accepted/used enough to reverse the dysgenic trend.
*See the B movie, Idiocracy, for a humorous take on this situation
“As I understand it, your claim is that anyone who differs with you on ANY point as to the meaning of … ANYTHING Jesus said isn’t a Christian.”
That has not been my position. My position was laid out in detail in comment #134.
” … you seem now to be softening your original position …”
My alleged (by you) position that anyone who differs with me on any point as to the meaning of anything Jesus said isn’t a Christian?
I did not say that. I didn’t even come close to saying it. You’ve created a strawman. That is a fallacy, which we can now add to your circular reasoning fallacy.
“Let’s take your example of Roman Catholics as illustrative. You say they aren’t Christian.”
Let’s be accurate. I said the Roman Catholic Church can hardly be considered Christian. I didn’t say anything about Roman Catholics. I also explained why I considered the Roman Catholic Church to hardly be Christian (at this point, I’m persuaded that you only scanned what I wrote. You didn’t actually read it).
The Roman Catholic Church is hardly Christian because it made Nostra Aetate a part of its magisterium. Nostra Aetate says Christians are grafted into the Jewish vine rather than the other way around. Never mind what John the Baptist said in Matthew 3:7-11. Never mind what John wrote in John 1:1 and 1:14. Never mind what Jesus said in Matthew 21:33-46. Never mind what Jesus said in John 14:6.
In comment #134, I expressed my opinion/belief that the Roman Catholic Church and most other churches today can hardly be considered Christian because they contradict what I consider to be one of the most fundamental, if not the most fundamental, tenets of Christianity and Christ’s teaching – that God’s favor has nothing to do with your human blood lineage.
I suppose you could try and find Scripture that challenges what I’ve said. And we could discuss these things further.
I invite you to do that. And to not put words in my mouth but rather deal with what I’ve actually said.
On what basis do you maintain that black farmers were denied subsidies that white farmers enjoyed until Congress created a subsidy exclusively for black farmers in 2023? That would have been a gross violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
About 7,000 blacks served in the Continental Army (231,000 men) and in the colonial militias (145,000 men). They made up less than 2% of the men who fought the British, not 12%. Even if we assume there was overlap between the Continental Army and colonial militias such that all of the men in the colonial militias served in the Continental Army, the black percentage only rises to a little over 3%.
“Suppose I steal a car. I hand that stolen car to my son. Your contention seems to be that returning the car to its rightful owner should be denied [because the son didn’t steal it].”
That’s not my contention. My contention is that the car, the thief, the son and the rightful owner no longer exist. Taking something from people who didn’t steal it and then giving it to people who had nothing stolen from them is what we call an injustice.
Eric135: “My position was laid out in detail in comment #134.”
We began this discussion when I pointed out your use of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman_fallacy
In #134, you’ve re-defined the term “Christian” to exclude Christians you don’t approve of, in EXACTLY the same way given at the link. Your Christians who are not “true” Christians (e.g., Roman Catholics, according to you) correspond exactly to the Scotsmen who are not “true” Scotsmen because they put sugar on their porridge.
Eric135: “Let’s be accurate. I said the Roman Catholic Church can hardly be considered Christian. I didn’t say anything about Roman Catholics. ”
Yes, let’s be accurate. If the Roman Catholic Church isn’t Christian, then Roman Catholics aren’t Christians. That seems pretty obvious.
Hence we come full circle. You have set yourself up as one who has perfect insight into what the meaning of “true” Christianity is, and Roman Catholics, according to you, don’t qualify. You speciously object to my distinction between false and “true” Christians, claiming instead that there are only Christians and those who pretend to be. Just like your distinction between the Roman Catholic Church and Roman Catholics, this is another distinction without a difference. You base all this on your own understanding of what Jesus supposedly said, and refuse to admit the possibility that your understanding may in fact be wrong. That’s what’s absolutely crazy, and what makes you a religious nut and LOLcow, Eric135. The entire two-thousand-year history of Christianity is nothing more than an unending series of disagreements among Christians about the “true” meaning of what Jesus actually meant by what he supposedly said. And yet you, hilariously, claim to know. You state that everyone who doesn’t agree with you isn’t a Christian!
Eric135: “Blood lineage means nothing to Christ.”
False.
If so, then why in Mark 7:24-30 does he refuse to heal the Syro-Phoenician woman’s daughter, say he is only come for the Jews (Matthew 15:21-28), and call her a dog? He only relents after sadistically forcing her to call herself a dog. It turns out your rabbi Jesus is just another in a long line of Jewish supremacists.
Also, in John 4:22, Jesus seems to be of a different opinion. He says to the Samaritan woman:
not sure why you are supporting Mark Weber. his is a disinformation agent. This is a fact as confirmed by MCP in the links below. Mark destroyed many books, which cannot be replaced and destroyed IHR. i recommend you listen to the below links before uploading more of Mark’s disinformation
Best of MCP Feb 2009 – IHR, Holocaust mossad Israel Inslaw promis Fritz Berg ADL spying (+ MLK)
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Best of MCP Jan 2009 Hitler jew zionist eugenics, Carolyn Yeager, Canter, Brenner, Weber IHR, Nixon
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Best witness – The Mel Mermelstein Affair 1994 – the malicious ‘legal’ attack on IHR (MCP)
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and of interest – The Great Holocaust Trial (banned book) the Persecution Of Ernst Zundel – Michael A. Hoffman
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you can download my pdf (link in description) goto my mega link for mcp shows, download the pdf and search for key words
the past few minutes i have been listening to MCP show dated 18 Sept 2009, where MCP confirms that Weber destroyed millions (yes millions) of Nazi documents which Willis Carto had bought from the Russians. it will be included in my next ‘Best of MCP’ compilation.
Farmers
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardfowler/2024/08/07/black-farmers-finally-get-relief-after-years-of-federal-discrimination/
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/17/978288305/black-farmers-will-receive-stimulus-aid-after-decades-of-usda-discrimination
https://www.blackfarmers.org/blog/timeline-black-farmers-and-the-usda-1920-to-present
https://alvinandhisthoughts.com/black-farmers-and-government-subsidies-a-historical-disparity/
https://blog.ucs.org/precious-tshabalala/a-brief-history-of-discrimination-against-black-farmers-including-by-the-usda/
https://www.blackfarmers.org/press/widening-farm-subsidy-gap-is-leaving-black-farmers-further-behind
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I have no issues that the number is 2% — appreciate the correction. The fact remains the Daughters fought to maintain the organization as white — it’s no secret. And that is cornerstone to the issue. That whtes by choice segregated even when parametrs were similar and whie women have been no less ardent in doing so.
Curious explain the dynamic that justifies the Daughters opposig God Bless America by a black woman on the capital steps. now I am not just making hay — i don’t have any issues with the DA, their history is their history. But the issue is black skin, not intelligence, not morals, not education, skin tone. And that has a very problematic historical consequences.
again, appreciate the correction of the number of black troops – but that error provides no relief from the issues and consequence.
Your statement:
A trained monkey can wire up a house. Code says this goes here or there, you drill some holes, nail some boxes here and there, and pull the wires. Literally the easiest job in construction, except perhaps for the guys who do insulation.
…is disingenuous to say the least.
It’s not as simple as you think…
In order to obtain a master electrician license, one must plan and specify wiring types, locations, routing and equipment specifications for the complete job.
For the test, you are given a building without any electrical specifications, you must specify ampacities, location requirements, types of wiring used, substation breaker coordination among other electrical considerations.
It’s not mindless work. It is more akin to project management.
Your attempt to denigrate electricians is dishonest to say the least.
Uhhh, it’s nit the blood it’s the belief.
“lost” and where one “worship” That is not about blood at all. Blood is happenstance. Not what bloodline, but what that bloodline practices as it relates to God.
Bloodline is no barrier to faith and practice. Centurian soldier, etc.