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According to the Unified Rules of Boxing issued by the US Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports, when the bell sounds for the end of each round, there is a “rest period” before the boxers resume their fight, or one retires too hurt to continue.
The ceasefire between Israel and Iran which President Donald Trump (lead image, left, right) has congratulated himself for arranging is the bell sounding for the rest period to begin.
Iran’s rope-a-dope strategy allows rest periods. But for this strategy to succeed, the rest periods must be too short for Israel to be re-supplied by the US, Germany and other allies, compared to the re-supply arrangements which Iran is now trying to make with Russia, China, North Korea and other sources.
Since Trump’s first announcement allowed Israel and Iran to continue striking each other for six hours, his deadline was roughly 7 am Teheran time today, June 24. In reply, Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s Foreign Minister, announced “there is NO ‘agreement’ on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations. However, provided that the Israeli regime stops its illegal aggression against the Iranian people no later than 4 am Teheran time, we have no intention to continue our response afterwards.”
According to Trump, “Israel & Iran came to me, almost simultaneously, and said, ‘PEACE!’” Trump has then claimed he had forced them. “We couldn’t have made today’s ‘deal’ without the talent and courage of our great B-2 pilots, and all of those associated with that operation. In a certain and very ironic way, that perfect ‘hit’, late in the evening, brought everyone together, and the deal was made!!!”
Sources in Moscow say the terms of the Trump “deal” are quite different.
On the one hand, according to the sources, Trump understands that unless he orders a halt to US arms supplies and battlefield intelligence to the regime in Kiev, Russia will not halt its arms supplies and intelligence-sharing with Iran. The sources add that for the time being Iran is not requesting fresh Russian aid. “Several individuals have been moved under Russian protection; these are individuals and families who have been moved into Russia. North Korean deliveries have been crucial in the run-up — they are basically Chinese. So Iran has not been lacking. They have been ready. Also, they have the capacity to fire several large missiles per day for several weeks, if not months, which the Israelis and Americans cannot stop. These will get through to Israel’s water, gas, and electricity plants, other fuel supplies, and ports.”
The assessment in Moscow is that Iran has demonstrated it has escalation control for the long term, and that in the short term Israel needs US re-supply, re-financing, and recovery more urgently than Iran. In exchange for Trump’s “ceasefire” to meet the Israeli requests, President Vladimir Putin has communicated that Trump must do nothing to block the acceleration of Russia’s offensive in the Ukraine.
When Foreign Minister Araghchi met President Putin at the Kremlin on Monday, Putin was accompanied for the first time by the head of military intelligence (GRU), Admiral Igor Kostyukov. Kostyukov was also a lead figure in the Russian negotiating team for the last round of Istanbul negotiations with the Ukrainians.
Front: President Putin, Foreign Minister Araghchi; back, Admiral Kostyukov, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. For the full list of participants, click here.
In the Kremlin website’s record of remarks, Putin did not mention Israel or the US as the attacker: “The completely unprovoked act of aggression against Iran is without foundation or justification. Russia has long-standing, strong, and trustworthy relations with Iran, and we are committed to supporting the Iranian people through our continued efforts.”
Araghchi’s reply was more explicit. “As you are well aware, the level of escalation continues to grow by the day. Unfortunately, we have come under attack – not only from Israel, but also from the United States, which has chosen to strike our facilities. These acts of aggression by Israel and the US are entirely illegitimate and in violation of international law and established norms. We are now defending our sovereignty and our country, and our defence is fully legitimate. We are grateful to our Russian colleagues and friends for their principled stance and for their resolute condemnation of these acts of aggression. Today, Russia stands on the right side of history and of international law… I hope we will have the opportunity today to discuss the full range of issues related to these developments.”
The closed-door discussion then focused on the military and diplomatic proposals which Araghchi tabled.
For Putin, spokesman Dmitry Peskov said after the meeting that the President continues to balance his approach between Israel and Iran. “Iran and Israel have completely different positions”, Peskov said, “the situation is very tense.” Yury Ushakov, foreign policy advisor to Putin who was also present, has not given a public read-out.
The semi-public debate outside the Kremlin walls is critical of the “balanced approach”. The most direct expression of this came the day before, on June 22, from Dmitry Medvedev, currently deputy secretary of the Security Council, who published on his Telegram channel a 10-point attack on both the US and Israel, and implied Russian support for Iran to develop nuclear-armed deterrence against future war threats.
How seriously the Trump Administration understood this to be was signalled when Trump himself followed with an attempt to put Medvedev in his place: “Did he really say that or, is it just a figment of my imagination? If he did say that, and, if confirmed, please let me know, IMMEDIATELY. The ‘N word’ should not be treated so casually. I guess that’s why Putin’s ‘THE BOSS.’” US presidents never address foreign officials at Medvedev’s current rank.
What US and Russian sources understand to be the pressing problem of the “rest period” is that Iran, China, North Korea, and Russia will now concert their efforts to open the railroad connection through Pakistan and Turkmenistan for military supplies. The Caspian Sea and Turkmenbashi-Sarakhs gateways for such a connection were reported here.
A well-informed source adds: “Pakistan will play the Chinese side. And it will be a reliable route of Chinese supplies notwithstanding US inducements and threats. Russians and Chinese must measure very carefully what, how, and how much is needed to prevent a collapse in Teheran. This means, not so much the preservation of the clerical order as the protection of Iran itself from partition.” Follow the US-Israeli plan for regime change and partition of Iran starting here:
Source: https://twitter.com/bears_with/status/1934878851726741810
A Moscow source comments: “This [war] is not ending. This is not the beginning of any end either. The Iranians have been hurt and damaged; they are bleeding. No one should underestimate what’s been done to them. No one should underestimate the scale of the internal bleeding. But with that, the state, the Islamic Republic, however difficult as a partner, must remain. That’s the key. Russians and Chinese can’t do it by themselves. No amount of logistics and materiel can. ”
The problems of mutual and reciprocal distrust between Russia and Iran are centuries old, as reported here and here. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) publicly advertised this just hours before Araghchi arrived at the Kremlin.
Source: https://twitter.com/bears_with/status/1937045785033470043
Araghchi has had next to nothing to say publicly before he left Moscow for Turkmenistan.
Later in the same evening, Teheran reported that Iran’s Defense Minister, Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh, had telephoned Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov. These Iranian signals indicate that Putin has given a green light for what he told Araghchi are “ways we might work together to navigate the current situation.”
In parallel, also late on Monday evening, Lavrov authorized the Foreign Ministry to issue a statement explicitly naming Israel and the US together in a war for regime change in Teheran, and for “encroach[ment] on the sovereignty of the country” (diplospeak for partition):
Source: https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/2029997/
Yevgeny Krutikov, a former GRU field officer who writes for Vzglyad, the Moscow platform for discussion of the strategic and operational options, has commented: “Israel has unleashed a hopeless and unneeded war, from which everyone is now looking for a way out so that everyone is not ashamed to look in the mirror. If in Tel Aviv it was believed that war is a competition of ‘who has more missiles’, suddenly it has turned out that the war with Iran is a more multifaceted phenomenon which Tel Aviv cannot cope with alone. So now everyone has become morose.”
Russian sources will not go so far as to say that Iran has won escalation control from Israel, at least not yet. The sources also repeat how much punishment the rope-a-dope strategy has inflicted on the Iranians. “Russians know they are the only ones who can fight and deliver a comprehensive strategic defeat. Not even the Chinese can do as effectively what Russians are doing in the Ukraine. So now that Trump has entered the Iranian battlefield, it’s up to Putin to convince him to withdraw from both. Well, maybe not convince – persuade may be the better word. Come the NATO meeting [June 24-25], our eyes will be on whether Trump delivers Kiev’s capitulation to Russia’s terms, or we have to take it.”
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Trump is completely delusional. The guy is totally out of control. We’ve gone from 4 years of a brain dead president, to this idiot.
Reminds me of the father of the bully kid–almost everyone who went to grade school remembers a dad like that. His kid starts the fight, and pop cheers him on. Then sonny starts to lose, starts to get beaten up, and the old man rushes in to break up the fight.
That’s Trump all over. Israel can’t finish the deed, even with US help. And can’t take the pounding anymore. So Trump steps up and ‘negotiates’ a cease-fire. The only question is why Iran agreed to it. They must know that they can’t trust either Israel of the US.
Iran’s official statement is they will refrain from attacking Israel as long as Israel reciprocates. Instead, expect more Israeli ‘covert’ assassinations along with CIA NGO attempts at internal ‘color’ subterfuge– find out if Reza Pahlavi’s name can get traction.
Credible accounts have Israel perhaps two weeks from economic collapse were the Iranian bombardment to continue. It seems a terrible mistake to end the campaign without achieving the only conclusion that can bring peace to the Middle East. You can be sure Israel and Trump are plotting to use this “ceasefire” to prepare something dramatically nefarious in hopes of undoing the disaster.
Israel was in trouble, it wouldn’t stop if they were winning, the U.S cannot lose this base in the middle-east above all others so Trump pronounced a halt and Israel declared victory.
But Trump is still allowing the Palistinians to be murdered, so much for the peace maker, he only makes peace when he’s losing.
What a nasty little outlaw state Israel is, they will always ignore ceasefires because there are no consequences for doing so, why doesn’t the U.S bomb Israel for not observing the ceasefire?
Agreed. Israel’s airports were closed for a week as well as its seaports for large ships. It was running out of air defense missiles. Another million educated Israelis and long-term foreign Jewish residents are fleeing, leaving behind the lazy religious fanatics who support this war yet refuse to serve in the IDF or even work. Israel’s main oil refinery is out of action and over a thousand Israelis were killed, despite lies of only a few dozen. Just watch video from Indian news that is not censored like in the USA.
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I appreciate your political boxing metaphor, Mr. Helmer, channelling the best of Herr Doktor Goebbels into the present year.
Mr. Trump misrepresented Mr. Medvedev as claiming Russia would give Iran nukes, which he then clarified in a further rebuttal where he reminded Mr. Trump that his attack accomplished nothing, and unlike his Jews, Russians are parties to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty; it would be other countries to provide the Persian Mohammedans the nukes.
https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1937207817397486056#m
He also called Zelensky a green tapeworm in the body of the US and Europe in his x on X prior to that one, itself an indirect roast Trump’s capacity for roasting others via demonstrated superiority; Medvedev is far more savage at burning his enemies than reality showman Trump could ever hope to be. It is just yet another display of Russian military superiority, that even in Twitter/Truth/Telegram combat Trump, just as on the steppes of the Ukrainian Khazar peoples, cannot hope to win.
Being a two bit Nostradamus myself I see in the near future a friendly soccer match between IDF & IRGC’s finest specimens – taking place in no-man’s land. Already happened once.
The Real Story of the Christmas Truce
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-real-story-of-the-christmas-truce
And then I see Nuremberg Trials #2 with JUDEA in the dock.
And then I see Synagogues of Satan (Rev 2:9, 3:9) closed and demolished worldwide
And then I see Talmuds burned. Already happened in France in 1240.
Trial of the Talmud
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputation_of_Paris
And then I see all Rabbis sent to North Korean & Chinese de-JUDAIZATION camps.
Trump gave Iran a demonstration of the weapons America has got after Iran gave Israel a demonstration of it’s weaponry, so Iran agreed to call it off.
Israel now has to decide between continuing a Welfare State for Russian religious bludgers and rebuilding Haifa and Tel Aviv.
Israhell’s downfall is sure coming.
Their economy is in ruins: their high tech industry has collapsed, their military bases are bombed, weapons manufacturing plants are destroyed, Haifa port is out of service, tourism is dead, and their oil refinery is kaput.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/the-downfall-of-apartheid-israel/
Even Satanyahu said the day before the Iran attack, “If we do fall, many parts of the world will fall with us.”
So don’t feel sorry when Israhell falls, especially considering that converted Jews of today are NOT the Israelites of the Bible and NOT the people God had the Old Covenant with. Those impostors are and will continue leaving the country in droves until it collapses.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/are-jews-the-israelites-of-the-bible/
There are suggestions Iran is very close to completing a nuke, now that they’ve realized the games will just get them burned, or receiving one from North Korea. That would be a good reason to buy time.
Of course, Iran doesn’t have the luxury of nuclear tests that will waste their radioactive materials. They’ll have to test it over Tel Aviv.
helmer thinks iranians are super duper when in reality they are barely more sophisticated than the yemenis.
Shahed drones’ gaps look like 1980s high school projects built with Radio Shack gear.
Every single missile they have is based on old Nork designs which were base d on old Russian designs, which were based on old American designs which were based on old NAZI designs from WW Dos.
Weren’t we told by whitney, escobar, ritter, mcgregor et al that iranians had a new russian L-band radar that could see even f35s out to a thousand kilometers?
how can anyone take a country without an at minimum, a 4Gen airforce seriously?
forget russian SUs ok, but no J10s either?
what a joke. to continue to believe these idiots, such as helmer, is to participate in a real rope-a-dope scheme as the dope.
clearly these people have figured out that 99.44% of internet users are morons who will buy anything they spew as long as its in text on a screen.
israel’s long-planned murderous assault on Iran deserves a rain of missiles for three months at least. Persuade most of them to leave Palestine while you plan a suitable solution to the Problem.
Well, from our perspective, some of Russia’s actions were rather inefficient.
Of course, what I’m saying is just nitpicking. The Russians could have done it much better.
For instance, why didn’t the Russians simply blow up Ukraine’s military command center from the very beginning? They could certainly do so.
Another issue is that the drone defense system and the no-fly zone setup were not properly implemented, which led to the loss of their important strategic bombers. Overall, our direct observation of the Russia-Ukraine conflict indicates that Russians tend to be careless at times.
键政圈的行话是“菜俄”
Yes, I think the ceasefire in Iran is very regrettable.
They clearly had the opportunity to completely defeat the other side, but they gave up continuing this behavior and allowed Israel to have some breathing space at times.
When does the US bomb Israel’s nuclear site at Dimona?
Genocidal israel got its ass whipped, real bad at that, by Iran.
Simply because you cannot bomb your owners and bosses. If you happen to be the president of a country owned by Jews, they will oust your ass before you can say Trump.
“Weren’t we told by whitney, escobar, ritter, mcgregor et al that iranians had a new russian L-band radar that could see even f35s out to a thousand kilometers?”
You don’t understand they’re totally holding all that super-awesome stuff back in reserve for….. reasons.
I have no problem with criticizing actions of the USA, but the retards on this site full of cope about the state of Western VS Eastern weapon systems are embarrassing. The only Soviet/Russian fighter in the past seventy years to have a positive air to air kill ratio is the SU27 – which it earned by shooting down older Soviet/Russian fighters.
The US absolutely dominates the C4ISR space and air supremacy. The fact is the US managed to drop fucking gravity bombs onto probably their highest importance strategic asset shows what a joke the nation is.
And before Kevin Barrett comes out with some ridiculous claim about how it was all a trap, imagine what a PR coup it would have been had Iran managed to shoot down one or two B2s
Now we are told that US bombs didn’t complete their intended objectives. What you call Iran’s ‘highest strategic asset’ suffered limited damage, but remains functional. Possibly moved to a different location. Possibly set back a month or two. So tell me, which country is the ‘joke’?
Trump has a big mental problem. He believes that what he says is reality, just because he says it. Then, when his words do not match the real world, he goes berserk. Starts shouting about ‘fake news’. But ask yourself, if after the fact damage assessments are actually leaked analysis from US defense sources, then what is the basis for Trump to claim that his action was ‘one of the most successful military strikes in history’? He appears to be simply making up his own reality.
When Biden rambled incoherently, people started to wonder. At what point does the mainstream begin to suspect Trump’s cognitive continuity?
A lot of LOLs and no comment yet by MeanJooJoo. I guess his hands are too busy rubbing his sore arse to type.
I don’t believe any country is actually live testing nuclear weapons. Upper Korea is said to have been the last, and that was 8 years ago, 2017.
I’ve read it’s all done using supercomputer simulations. I’m not a nuclear weapons engineer, but my impression is that it is just a ‘build it and hope it works once we light the fuse’.
Iran is showing lots of restraint. They are turning on maximum pain, but not going for the jugular. If they really wanted to destroy Israel, they would go for the nuclear power stations and the water desalination plants.
Carl Zha makes a persuasive argument in this video about the 10:30 mark
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• LOL: meamjojo
Israeli Forces Kill at Least 44 Palestinians in Latest Gaza Aid Massacres
You the assassins are laughing too hard at your GENOCIDE. They will do the same with you and the whole world will celebrate, terrorist.
You are laughing too LOUD and too LONG, there must be something wrong with you or you are not human but evil. To calm you down use this device to clean yourself to stop the Stinking smell NOT tolerable any longer.
Perhaps they did get one or two. The B 2 bomber is “stealth,” but also flies at subsonic speed, which explains why they spent nearly two days in the air.
These are the signs of a dying West, extreme inaction followed by wildly incoherent flailing and screeching. The Kraken has been wounded and floored. It’s a dangerous time for all of us.
Iran probably realizes that if they nuke Israel then Iran will be nuked thoroughly in response. With respect to the hostility between Iran and Israel a nuclear weapon is at best a stalemate weapon for Tehran, never intended to be used. Unfortunately, it might be used as an excuse for Israel to preemptively nuke Iran and break the stalemate, so it could be entirely counterproductive.
They did get a few F-35s. The big problems right now seem to be two.
I. Israel resents and is unlikely to honour the ceasefire agreement.
II. Iran’s polity is convinced (likely with very good reason) that IAEA inspectors were passing information to the Israelis, particularly but not only in relation to the early targets for assassination.
The boss of the IAEA, Grossi IIRC, is making as much noise as he can about the continued presence of IAEA inspectors in Iran and the urgent need for fresh inspections. How can Iran agree when it seems that many were acting as spies instead of inspectors?
I forget the name, but Iran’s national assembly already voted (yesterday) to stop cooperation, for very obvious reasons.
US strikes against Dimona come after Israel implements the Samson option against Washington D.C.
Maybe.
Deep state and Israel put Trump in an impossible position with fake intel and other lies that created a fairy tale. Of course he foolishly took the bait and succumbed to pressure from the Levine/Adelson team and we went on a massive air campaign that was flawless except it apparently didn’t really accomplish the stated goal. Because the real goal by the people who duped Trump was apparently regime change in Iran and not destruction of nuclear facilities. Trump went against his ideology and instincts and was conned by the Jews and their minions and now will pay politically. They never learn.
And yet Iran isn’t boasting about it
Iran doesn’t want to be attacked with nuclear weapons. Everyone believes Israel will do this given some excuse they see as adequate provocation. They might even be LOOKING for an excuse to nuke someone to establish their bona fides with the Samson Option.
The only goal of the current conflict is regime change. This will be good for Israel (complaint regime bought off in Tehran) and the USA (the same compliant regime backs out of Russia’s orbit). All external players will accept this if it doesn’t partition Iran and also doesn’t close the strait (two major uncertainties of regime change).
Saving the Palestinians requires the (((Western)))-complaint Arab states to switch sides and pressure Israel more uniformly. This seems unlikely at the moment. A bloody civil war in Israel might also do it, but that seems even less likely.
(((Israel))) wins as long as everyone else remains rational actors looking for a least-bad solution.
“Now we are told”…… Is that the threshold of evidence you require to validate your biases?
The fact is the US was able to fly aircraft directly over a strategic asset of Iran, Iran being the country that losers like MacGregor, Ritter etc claimed can shoot down F35s, and have an unimpregnable air defence network
Lots of wishful thinking going on here. Israel tried to foment a revolution in Iran, didn’t work, but they did kill a lot of top govt officials and destroyed some infrastructure. The Iranians appear to have done a bit of damage to Israel, but the media blackout makes it difficult to assess the amount. The US bombing must have done at least some damage because it brought Iran to the negotiating table. Trump has actually achieved something here, and if the war ends, it will be considered his best deal ever.
It took only 10 days of artillery strikes from Iran for Israel’s famed “Iron Dome” to become nearly inoperable, with its ability to shoot down incoming missiles severely compromised. With Israel only the size of New Jersey, it would behoove Mr. Trump to rethink his “Golden Dome” fantasy before construction begins. If advanced air defense doesn’t work in such a small country as Israel, what makes Mr. Trump think it will work in a continental-wide Empire the size of the US?
It would be pretty to contemplate, but my guess would be NEVER!
The US empire was a massive mistake and all empires come to an end; cannot beat history.
Good riddance us business enterprise and its’ western lackeys who mindlessly think the us and their dipshit buffoon populace are ‘wonderful’. ….
From “Gaza Pier” to “Haifa Pier” in less than two years. Where’s Amalek, Bibi?
Why Russia and China wont let IRAN Fall?
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Kinda funny and very impressive how team Trump has out-foxed and out-manoeuvred just about everyone, including a lot of his own right wing that was ready to dump on him
Most thought Trump was doing another Bush, starting another immensely stupid mid-east war that would run for 5 or 10 or 20 years with many Americans dead
Instead, Trump crafted a quick in-and-out to escape a bad situation, allowing face-saving for himself, Iran, Israel and America … it was near-genius theatre, with Trump even getting in some top-level Israel bashing that his critics on both left and right are embarrassed to admit
What Trump riffed upon – what many will have a hard-time accepting – is that the Iranian leadership is also heavily compromised. It is not some ‘axis of resistance’ state but a long-time player in a rather staged drama along with Israel and USA.
For those who want to dig deeper, this goes back to Iran’s 1979 ‘Islamic Revolution’ founder Ayatollah Khomeini, being in fact the son of a UK Freemason and likely MI6 agent Richard Williamson, who ‘converted to Islam’ … Khomeini and the Shah’s downfall having heavy blatant Western intel agency support
Unz commenters do talk about da Joos but have a hard time not rolling their eyes re ‘Freemasons’ even tho, right in front of our eyes
– The new 2004 Iranian Parliament building is a Masonic pyramid with 33 windows, like
– The Masonic pyramid in Israel erected next to the Rothschild-funded Israeli Supreme Court building, like
– The Masonic pyramid on the US dollar bill
As Unz’s much-scorned but in fact very valuable author Rolo Slavskiy of ‘Slavland Chronicles’ has said
Jun 24, 2025 President Trump Goes Nuclear with F-Word on Israel & Iran for Breaking Ceasefire and Peace
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If congress revised Smith M u n d t in 2012 and slipped it into the 2013 NDAA has congress legalized the ensuing propaganda and would judiciary nullify if only a case were brought?
It would be pretty to think so
What is the purpose of this foolish propaganda, traitors?
Israeli-fueled fantasy to bring back Shah has absolutely no juice
There is a reason why Reza Pahlavi has been cozy with Netanyahu and everyone knows it, which makes his return even more unlikely.
they didnt get shit. if they had shot down f35s where are the pilots? where are the planes?
they would have paraded the pilot(s) and the plane(s) or parts and there would be video.
the cope on this site is beyond hilarious.
Iran is not a serious country. A country without a modern airforce with at least 20 4th generation fighters is a clown joke!
the idea that you could forget about air superiority over your own territory, when establishing it is the sine qua non of modern combat, and pretend that a handful of obsolete f4s and f14s can do shit is completely absurd.
what happened to their vaunted “integrated” AD systems which fat fuck mcgregor, fat fuck ritter, cholo ecobar and old fuck whitney said they had????
they were using AAA! to try to shoot down 4th gen and 5th gen fighters dropping glide bombs from stand off! No BUKs no SAMs, shit Syria posed more danger to Jew planes than the Iranis.
Iran is a fucking complete joke of a government. They talk and jabber and do marketing okay, that’s about it.
btw, i am irani but youll attack me as hasbara or shahi traitor.
cope harder assholes!
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Do you really think that it is beyond Israel to preemptively nuke Iran if they think that Iran can’t respond in kind?
Reading comprehension and an ability to source the main point is important. I wrote, ‘if after the fact damage assessments are actually leaked analysis from US defense sources’…
Here’s the thing– I don’t know, and neither do you. We live in a time when it is possible to believe almost anything, and at the same time nothing. Who can say what damage was done? Who can say whether the bombs stopped Iran’s ability to produce nuclear material? It’s all speculation based from questionable sources, each with their own spin. Eventually the truth will out as to the result. If Iran maintains its nuclear infrastructure, then the attack was a failure.
To your point that the US was able to fly into Iran after Israel (with US logistic support, and possible domestic sabotage?) had taken out their AA capability? That does not surprise me. Why should it surprise anyone, given what evidently went down?
However it was, do you believe that this was ‘one of the most successful military strikes in history’? Trump said that. He sent out his bubble headed bleach blond to underscore the ‘heroism’ of the pilots. In my book dropping bombs on Iran from the air, after their ability to control their own airspace has been knocked out, is not especially heroic, or an especially remarkable feat. On the other hand, if the US could do it against a militarily and technologically equal opponent, such as China, that would be something.
My main point is (and was) that Trump is living in a rather isolated world, typically divorced from reality. He lies, blusters, changes from one position to another at the drop of a hat, and is generally not very well informed about where he is going, or even where he has been. But he evidently does what he is paid to do, so he’s got that going for him. I think we can all agree that Miriam got her money’s worth.
Checkmate to Israel! Iran Shocks the World with Its Destructive Power
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I don’t think Israel will be able to do this outside a truly existential situation.
It would be a true Sampson Option where Israel itself will certainly be destroyed by a vengeful Islamic world. Frankly the Iranians don’t even have to complete a fission bomb if they wanted to take revenge for an Israeli nuke attack. Israel is not very big. All the surviving Iranians have to do is spread their 600kg of enriched uranium all over Israel with crude dirty bombs carried by drones and Israel becomes uninhabitable.
Then again, my hunch is that the Israelis may be greedy and manipulative, but they are not suicidal. They have it in the back of their minds that they will retrieve their second passports from their desk drawers and just melt away and hunker down in other host countries for another 2000 years and their descendents will get their chance again someday.
The only real option for Israel is to have the US do the nuking of Iran. Which is a possibility if a false flag is perpetrated in the coming weeks/months. 4th of July is coming soon. No better time than that to have a false flag. In fact, Trumps token strike of the 3 Iranian sites gives a perfectly believable narrative for why “vengeful Iranians” would do a new 9-11 or Pearl Harbour on the USA. Then we will see the “dancing Israelis” again.
In the longer term, the big factor is whether Israel’s chief sponsor, the USA, will be able to continue to protect them in the coming decades. If the USA ceases to be able to do so, then Israel becomes unviable.
Problem solved, Palestinians get Palestine back.
You need to go back to the 1953 US/UK sponsored coup against the democratically elected Mosadegh who offended the West by nationalising Iranian oil for Iranians.
Are you living in Iran?
Wonder how long it will take the AIPAC whores in D.C. to pass a bill giving more billions to Jizzreal to repair the damage done by Iranian rockets. Whatever the tab is, you’re gonna pay for it sooner or later.
I agree this looks like a stage-managed event by Trump to bring both Israel and Iran to heel. It may not work but looks like a good effort.
In Iran, what is the public story about the design of the parliament building?
No, I did not intend to imply that.
Correct me if I am wrong, but what extremely low IQ average Gentiles must have now to fall for fraudulent word manipulations by Putin, Xi, and the International Israelite Media by constantly saying “Trump this” and “Trump that” when Trump has nothing to do with anything – just a public “pretty” face who makes no intellectual input regarding anything whatsoever. Even his own company is 100% run by Israelites, something that I believe the ADL commented on with the question “Is Trump Philo-Semitic, or has he just learned how to employ Israelite intellectual genius for personal gain?”
Trump is just an extremely elderly obese individual with an IQ around 115. So, all decisions in the White House are made by a massive team of intellectually genius Israelites. Stop using the word “Trump” ever gain, at least on intelligent sites like this one. Just say “The White House did this or that” instead of ever using Trump’s name again. As I said, he offers no intellectual input whatsoever for anything. He is just a “puppet,” just enjoying himself while using the opportunity for making business deals. The Israelites have allowed him to become a celebrity in exchange for him agreeing to be a “puppet.” Trump is is making good money on his media businesses, merchandising businesses, and I’ve read that he is considering opening his own bank, like Chase, a bank for “all oppressed Conservatives.” As a celebrity, millions would switch their bank to the Trump one and make him billions of more dollars. This is Trump’s only role in all of this.
Putin and Xi and completely “clown-like,” just buying time for them to finish their lives in comfort before they die forever. And their demographics are “clown like,” with China’s population dying and Russia’s population increasingly becoming more Brown and Muslim. Both nations abandoned Iran in exchange for Israelite bribes.
Putin and his media keep making public statements about “International Law” and “Human Rights,” thinking they are clever regurgitating deceptive Israelite language, when Putin knows full well there are no such thing as these laws, but rather just “The Law of the Jungle,” “Might Makes Right,” “The Right of Force,” and “Survival of the Fittest.” These are the rules by which the Israelites live by, it’s the rules on which nature is based.
Medvedev made a public statement on how all our political actions in the end are pointless. He was saying that nuclear war or not, we all will die anyway in a few billion years because the Sun is going to engulf Earth. He was saying that “West” may choose to bring this apocalypse earlier by triggering a nuclear war. This was the first honest and intelligent thing I’ve ever heard a Russian public figure say publicly, that we all act like things matter, when nothing really matters – there is no G-d and just eternal death for all, be it Israelite or Gentile. So, we are all just passing time while we wait to become fertilizer.
Well, let the performance continue. Israel will quickly resupply their resources and attack Iran again. Their planes were freely flying all over Iran, taking out all their ballistic missile launchers. Very soon Iran won’t be able to launch any more missiles then. Interesting that Iran didn’t even have an air-force to engage in dogfights, which even Pakistan, a lower IQ nation (presumably) had (population IQ is correlated to proximity to the equator).
I posted a photo of a downed and broken F-35 flying bedstead with clear Israeli marking (stealth-grey hexacle) here early last week.
The claim at the time was three. I see no reason to disbelieve it. After that, Israel only used stand-off weapons, so no risk to the pilots. My guesstimate is at least one more (four), but three have been confirmed.
Your kind of reality-challenged zionists are a true pestilence. I don’t run the site, and am just a minor commemtor, but if I were in the position of Mr. Unz, as with several other restrictions that apply on the site, a limit of at least ten posts under signed-up user-name before using ‘anon’ or ‘anonymous’ would be a great idea for stopping pop-up arseholes like you.
He lives in Tel Avi, in a shelter Boom , boom Tel Aviv, this is what you get when go out of your shithole.
Tel Aviv is severely damaged by the Iranian, NOT SO serious, missiles. Netanyah’s servant who supposed to be shipped to Iran, reza the CLOWN, and put on the throne has experienced heart attack sending him to a hospital to remain there until he is dead.
Curious and skeptical people monitor these puppets (Trump, Putin, Xi) for clues they may give to what the masters really want. This information may be scripted or some tidbits may simply leak out during the puppet show. In many cases this is all we have to go on.
Trump spent his entire life developing a personal brand of “Successful American Businessman” which always carried a strong odor of “dishonest wheeler dealer.” In the hinterlands many people did not realize this brand or persona was very similar to “Successful and very dishonest New York Jewish businessman and scam artist.” Trump was able to parlay this strange brand into his role as a major political figure. Trump’s behavior and frustration with the Israel and Ukraine messes suggest he is pulled between different Jewish power factions who control and influence his moves.
I still think Trump is fundamentally motivated by his personal dynasty. I believe he does like the idea of MAGA but that would not be enough to get him into the ring to mud wrestle all the swamp creatures at his age. He is working to set up his children for future dominance on the world stage. His actions in these current crises will be motivated by that goal over MAGA. Ideally those two goals are self-consistent, but that may be incorrect. He is probably no longer trying to save the old America, since that has been eclipsed by China and the multipolar world along with AI and robotics.
Yes!
In Birobidizhan, the “Jewish Autonomous Oblast”.
Perfect spot to keep them well supervised: China on one side; Russia on the other.
No international flights leave or arrive from there.
Travel visas required.
I propose the Mt. Etna solution.
As many have demonstrated Iran can readily outlast Israel’s dome defenses and when they fail will enact the serious retaliation they have planned.
MIGT – Make Israel Gaza Trashed!!
Antonio Gramsci — ‘The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.’
It goes without saying that the last thing Israel has in mind is peace. The bombing with the understanding the nuclear material and centrifuges had already been moved now allows Trump to engage in an all out attack on Iran to find those missing components hidden, like in Gaza, in hospitals and schools.
Given Israel’s 30-year attempt to destroy Iran, what is the chance they’ve dropped that goal over a few missile hits? What are the chances Trump and Netanyahu are lying, given that consistent lying is their signature trait beyond wholesale disregard for human life? What are the chances the ceasefire is meant to lull Iran into a false sense of peace in order to deliver a “krav maga” or WWW-style sucker punch? And, what are the chances Trump and Israel are planning a false flag, such as sinking an aircraft carrier or taking out an airliner filled with Americans, given that Israel did 9/11 and Trump surely has been briefed on this fact long ago? If there are no good reasons for preferring one prediction over the other, and assuming all are realistic possibilities, the principle of indifference or insufficient reason assigns equal probability to each of these as stand-alone predictions. I’m nobody, of course, but I’d guess Iran is being set up.
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It is guaranteed that Trump will do one thing and one thing only, to wit, ingesting large quantities of Jewish seminal fluid.
Well said! It concurs with my assessment of Mr. T’s diplomatic skills and induced a movie flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ausPKEMVk0.
Mr. T and I are fellow native NYers, born six weeks apart and I’d hoped against hope for much better from him than what he’s showing. One remembers Alice Roosevelt Longworth’s comment about Warren G. Harding: “He’s not a bad man, he’s just a slob.” One wonders at times if “Let’s Make a Deal” has turned out well for Mrs. T. One hopes so. For the rest of us? Not so much.
Appreciate this post, supported by similar reports I myself have seen.
Anon [248] is triggered precisely because you’re over the target.
Reza Pahlavi–aka “Baby Shah”–has been a Rockefeller protegé for many years now. I met him long ago under the aegis of the late Joseph Verner Reed, assistant to David Rockefeller. His campaign to regain the throne is reminiscent of that of the late King Zog and will likely bear the same fruit.
Speaking of Zog, one suddenly sees a stroboscopic flash “ZOG” superimposed on North America. My, but the mind works in mysterious ways!
This.
More often than not, we reveal our partisanship by how we approach this topic, selecting facts that appear to strengthen our sentiment. I wouldn’t say this is necessarily a bad thing, since it’s only human to take a side, but the nonchalance that accompanies face value acceptance of official government narrative is particularly irksome to me as a born and raised American.
It’s always the non-American who bends the truth, or so we’re told.
Immediately after the bombings in Iran, I checked news feeds including mostly western sources.
You would have thought Iran was ready to collapse in a matter of hours.
Today? ‘Oopsie, we might have been wrong about that.’
Pathetic.
Iranian people view the FAkE ‘ceasefire’ as a TRAP. Many people want Iraghchi rejects the FAKE ‘negociation’ Many believe that the Israeli could not continue, that’s why asked the CONMAN push for a ‘ceasefire’ to give Israel time to fill his depleted arsenal, then will attack again. Netanyhu and Trump are following the same strategy they implemented with Hezbollah in Lebanon, one sided ‘ceasefire’ where Israel keeps the ‘FREEDOM of ACTION’ to violet the ‘ceasefire’ to kill and bomb anything he wants, then denies and accuses the other side as violator where the genocidal WEST supports his lies, like in Lebanon, like in Gaza. Lebanon is bombed everyday after the FAKE ‘ceasefire’ reached, the political and civilians are being ASSASSINATED by Israel on a daily bases, and no one includding Trump cares. This is the plan of the CRIMINAL west want to apply to Iran. There is NO opposition neither from fucking Russia or passive China. Both are seeking their own economic and political interests putting a knife on Iran’s back to receive CONCESSIONS for their cooperation. Hassan Rashvand, an Iranian journalist warns people in a note in the Kayhan newspaper:
Last Sunday night, an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council was held on Israeli aggression on the territory of our beloved country. In this meeting, UN Secretary-General Guterres said: “We must act immediately and decisively to stop the fighting and return to serious and sustainable “negotiations.”
Rafael Grossi, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said: “The Agency has repeatedly stressed that attacks should not target nuclear facilities. Military attacks should not be carried out on nuclear facilities.” The representative of the British Old Fox said: “The Middle East (West Asia) is at a critical juncture and continued violence will threaten regional peace.”
The French representative, whose president justified the Zionist attacks during the 12-day war as self-defense, said: “We did not participate in the planning or execution of the United States’ attacks on Iran.” This statement by the French representative coincidentally led people to believe that France was involved in the war. The Chinese representative, who is concerned about the escalation of conflicts in the region, the endangerment of its economic interests in the Persian Gulf, and the reduction of trade in the war situation in the region, said: “We demand an immediate ceasefire and an end to the conflict, and Israel must accept this ceasefire.” This Chinese view of the end of the war is as if the infamous Zionist regime did not start the war, or that the regime had the upper hand in the field after 12 days of the war, and the cities of Tel Aviv, Haifa, etc. were not under the roar of Iranian missiles, so they should accept a ceasefire. [Chinese showed that NO ONE CAN TRUST these animals, they are interested only in $$$$$$, worse than the Russians]
But the Russian representative said, “Washington and Israel see themselves as self-appointed judges and do not shy away from any crime, and the US attack on Iran opened Pandora’s box and a cycle of violence.” All of these statements were an attempt to pass a draft resolution that would not harm Iran’s interests more than it would serve their interests.These positions and statements clearly show that the principled policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran in “neither East nor West” is not a superficial slogan that is derived from the context of reality. At such a critical moment, it becomes clear that Iran is present on the scene with the support of its power and with this support it imposes a ceasefire on the aggressor enemy. A few points are worth mentioning in this regard:
Only after 12 days did the leaders of these three shameless European countries (England, France and Germany) make a strange request to Iran: “We strongly urge Iran not to take any further action that could destabilize the region. We urge Iran to participate in negotiations that lead to an agreement that addresses all concerns about its nuclear program.”
“We are ready to participate in achieving this goal in coordination with all parties.” And finally, like the negotiations leading up to the JCPOA, they return to the beginning of a decade ago and brazenly repeat the words of the United States and say: “Our goal is still to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon!” [he is making fun of these genocidal assassins]
Now the Zionist regime is committing a crime, America is directly coming to the aid of this predatory animal and the European troika is calling on Iran to exercise restraint, while at the same time warning that we are also following the same path as the Zionists and America regarding Iran’s nuclear activities, and that your peaceful enrichment process, which is under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency, is still dangerous in our view, and we want to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons!
In this 12-day battle, the hostile stance of European countries towards Iran became more and more apparent, leaving no justification for continuing the negotiations. It is as if the negotiations were a deception to entertain Iran and then the attacks of Israel and the United States. Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said in this regard: “How can Iran return to the negotiating table that Israel and the United States destroyed? Last week, when we were negotiating with the United States, Israel decided to destroy diplomacy. This week, when we were talking with the European Troika E3 and the European Union, the United States decided to destroy that diplomacy.” And of course, it should be added to Mr. Araghchi’s statements that European countries also play an equal role in destroying the negotiations. Despite the initial surprise and the martyrdom of senior military commanders, nuclear scientists, and some nuclear and military facilities, the Islamic Republic of Iran was able to deliver effective and efficient strikes against the American and Israeli enemies. During these 12 days, the residents of the occupied territories saw part of their constant nightmare of fighting Iran come true, and the Israeli and American regime officials also realized that, contrary to their expectations, the blow to Iran led to the unification of the people, and that Iran never shuts up in the face of such attacks and has the power to respond beyond their imagination.
GENOCIDAL and gullible Trump and Assassin Netanyaghu are TWO FACES of the SAME COIL. No one should believe a word coming from these mafia filthy mouths.
A man choosing Paula White as the “White House pastor” can hardly have an interest in saving the old America, other than elevating its sleazy underbelly to normalcy. Come to think of it, that’s the mitzvah of Hollywood, the music industry, and nearly all of TV “entertainment.”
Bravo!💯👍
There will be no end to these Zionist fomented wars until the Western nations are taken back by their native/founding people against this revolution by International Finance Capital and its agents.
Note John Waters’ reference to the central role of Blackrock in this grand subversion and how he situates the global Covid event in it:
literacy rates in america are in a bear market. ahistorical. e. we are disproving roughly 500 years of western history
Agree ran out of buttons
Most nuclear tests are a show of force and a demonstration you actually possess nukes, not real tests. It’s probably been like that since the Manhattan Project. Even things like Castle Bravo were more shows of force against the Soviet Union than legitimate technological experiments.
With modern technology, it isn’t hard to build a working nuke if you have the material, and it’s not worth wasting the material to test it if you’re 99% sure it’s going to work. So my joke was only a half joke, I suppose.
And their native culture. Not Abrahamist fawning over a desert deity.
Apparently Iranians destroyed many Israeli planes on the ground with missile attacks on the air bases. I’m not sure if it was in the first wave before Israelis started flying in from overseas bases or if some were still kept in Israel. There are some videos of destroyed Israeli planes on the ground but I don’t know if real or AI generated.
Why wait? Trump should bomb Israel now, even in a hoax/fake attack like the one he launched on Iran or the Iranian attack on Qatar. He could then say he destroyed the Israeli nuclear programme and shout “God bless Israel! God bless America!” His MAGA fans would go wild with approval cheering him on and his popularity could rise in the Muslim and Arab world with no real cost to Israel and the Jews. Do it Trump! You could even earn a third tend in office by popular demand.
No they fucking didn’t.
When Serbia shot down an F117 they paraded it’s parts all over the world’s media.
Iran hasn’t done so. Because they’re lying
I agree Israel is going to fuck things up. But Iran lies it’s arse off all the time. Remember when they claimed they had an indigenous stealth fighter and it turned out to be made out of wood?
which is funny, because his father openly said it was Jews who conspired against him
So are the doomer third worldist “don’t be pro white, it’s a Jewish Psy op” E Michael Jones trad boy brown lovers sad that their hyperbolic prognostications of Armageddon didn’t come to fruition? All you chicken littles can go fuck yourselves. Trump forever!
Whatever it takes.
In my earlier comment, I was referring more to politicians hiding elsewhere (most notably Nuttyyahoody in Greece, but many others, there and in other places).
Hypocritically, after having ordered no escape, many politicians did, anyway, as did many very we wealthy people. One may be certain, for example, that Zelensky moved his family members from the luxury complex in Jaffa (Tel Aviv) that he bought for them with stolen aid money to some other place also bought with stolen aid money.
However, you were also correct about the aircraft, so I said no rebuttal on that point. The bombardment would have destroyed at least several tens of ‘Israeli’ aircraft on the ground, after which they were all withdrawn to operate from Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Turkish-occupied Cyprus, Azerbaijan, perhaps elsewhere.
Somebody should calculate the U.S.-to-Israel subsidies in recent years, it has long been far above the stated ‘roughly three-thousand million a year’, U.S. tax slaves for Israel need to rebel, the next bill you will be expected to pay is for military losses and damage incurred by ‘Israel’ that was only incurred because of their own insane aggression.
An Azerbaijani was arrested for spying on a NATO base in Crete.
https://www.reuters.com/world/greek-police-arrest-man-suspicion-spying-crete-2025-06-23/
I also heard some other guy was caught spying near an air base in Cyprus. Maybe these guys weren’t really spies but whistleblowers trying to gather evidence about the IDF using these bases. Of course if anybody got such evidence it would be hushed up by the MSM.
No, not at all.
Do vaguely recall them having a drone with the airframe made of wood.
Actually, over 80 years ago, both the ‘Zero’ and British ‘Mosquito’ were made in wooden variants. That it was so has more to do with good design (and shortage of metal) than anything else.
Shitposter_in Chief: Really, you sound like one of the hasbarah who was running 4chan into the ground for the last many years until the recent unveiling of its operators.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/irans-so-called-stealth-fighter-paper-tiger-57667
Read my posts if you believe that garbage. I call out Israel and Jews all the time, but Israel being a bunch of cunts doesn’t make their opponents good
Of course I don’t really believe what I suggested re. you, it is just that your u-name is an open invitation for at least light trolling. You’re not the only experienced shitposter on the site.
As for Iranian claims of downed F-35s, you may be correct, as may the Iranian claims.
The single photograph that I uploaded is absolutely convincing, plus the reports of at least one with a woman driver who was captured last week.
As for a wooden stealth fighter, it really sounds like a good idea. The wooden Zero of 80+ years ago, with carbon-fibre propellors and stealth-shielded engine plus stand-off weapons, would be more than a match for a modern jet fighter, particularly in a dogfight,
Also, the source you cite is a vehicle for zio-propaganda, so not to be trusted,
I didn’t see the pic that you uploaded.
But I have seen other pics on the internet that showed a downed Israeli single engine fighter with the tail directly above the engine. That particular pic could not be a F35 as they have twin tail fins on either side of the engine.
So definitely Iran has shot down some IAF jets. The fact that the IAF is now shooting missiles from outside Iranian airspace also supports the claim that some Israeli jets were downed.
I think we are in a fog of war situation. We may not get solid proof of the F35 downing till months or years later.
It is probably the same photo.
To me, it looks like an F-35, with one of the tail fins broken off, and taken at an angle that makes it look as if the remaining fin is above the engine outlet, when it is in fact, to the side. The still-hot engine outlet, and the shape of the forward part of the plane, look exactly like it.
I don’t have a hobby of scanning the ‘net for such things, so am no expert. Everybody who reads, though, has seen at least some photos of the initial damage inflicted by Israel (killing scores of innocent civilians to assassinate particular individuals), and of some of the damage precisely inflicted by Iran in return (for example, the totally destroyed Chaim Weizmann biological and chemical weapons research building).
Fog of war, sure, but that term referred to a different phenomenon. Since the N.A.T.O. wars on Yugoslavia, the ‘fog’ is artificial, generated by the media to control the ‘narrative’.
Who has the greatest degree of media control?
This reached its previous peak in the Iraq invasion, when all reportage for some time was from journalists ’embedded’ in U.S. and British military units.
Actually, Serbian Army figured out their weakness, and brought down two 117s [1][2], but that is not talked about much, as the second one managed to land outside of Serbia’s territory, thus was easy to hide.
A single hit would have been considered a fluke, a lucky shot so to speak, but once the second one got hit, U.S. Air Force paused their use!
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P.S. There are rumors that Serbian Army even sank one US aircraft carrier stationed in the Adriatic Sea, but that is yet to be confirmed. Perhaps, after Serbian people free their country from the Western yoke, its military archives will be opened!
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[1] Former F-117 Pilot Confirms The Serbian Air Defenses Second Hit On American Stealth Fighter During Operation Allied Force (Dec 29, 2020) | Fighter Jets World:
https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/former-f-117-pilot-confirms-the-serbian-air-defenses-second-hit-on-american-stealth-fighter-during-operation-allied-force/24191/
[2] #019: F-117, A-10, F-18, F-4 &…–The Afterburn Podcast (Nov 24, 2020) – Apple Podcasts
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/019-f-117-a-10-f-18-f-4-warbird-pilot-lt-col-ret/id1496428378?i=1000500092572
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Ltcol Rollins Dixon F-117 Weapons system chief shares details about F-117 Nighthawk
The successful shootdown of a U.S. Air Force F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter over Yugoslavia in 1999 quickly became well known as the only successful attack on a manned stealth aircraft using the surface to air missiles.
You might have heard about the U.S. Air Force’s F-117 Nighthawk stealth attack jets came to be shot down over Serbia during Operation Allied Force on March 27, 1999. The loss of “Vega 31” and the subsequent recovery of pilot Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko. What’s less well known is that another F-117 was hit by a Serbian air defense system during that same campaign, but details of what happened have only recently become available.
In the latest edition of The Afterburn podcast, which you can listen to in full here [2], retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie “Tuna” Hainline, a former F-117 pilot, confirms what had, for many years, been a rumor: that a second stealth jet was hit by the Serbians, but managed to return to base. While noting that much about the incident in Allied Force remains classified, he still provides some fascinating details of what appears to be a previously unconfirmed event.
Retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie Hainline confirmed on an episode of The Afterburn podcast that a second F-117 had been neutralised from the ground.
“I kind of looked to my right over Belgrade, and [saw] this huge missile coming up – it looks like a Saturn V thing,” Hainline recalled. “I knew my number two guy was over there somewhere. Then I see another launch – this big glow, and even from that far away you can see a lot of detail. The plume, the smoke going, and then just this ball of fire coming up towards you … As I’m heading towards this target, one missile explodes and the other one kind of goes up into space.”
Hainline reportedly lost track of his wingman until the aircraft reappeared at a tanker rendezvous with all lights off and unable to match the speed of the tanker to refuel.
“His airplane wasn’t in really good shape,” the officer recalled, with the heavily damaged F-117 eventually limping back to base.
Hainline’s efforts to ensure his wingman made it home safely were rewarded with the Distinguished Flying Cross, a commendation for “heroism or extraordinary achievement while participating in an aerial flight.”
The shootdown is thought to have taken place on April 30th, 1999, and the damaged stealth fighter war irreparable and had to be immediately retired from service.
As the F-117 was a twin-engine design, using the same configuration of dual F404 engines as the U.S. Navy’s F-18 Hornet fighters, it could survive many kinds of hits and the loss of an engine and still return to base intact.
This benefit of twin-engine jets is one of the key reasons why the U.S. Navy for years refused to deploy single-engine designs and a reason why Russia today fields no single-engine fighters despite aircraft with single engines usually being much easier to maintain and cheaper to operate.
The destruction of a second F-117 fighter is one of several suspected Yugoslav hits against NATO aircraft using air defences from the 1960s or earlier with modernised electronic warfare systems, which when also considering the poor state of the country’s defences during a state of effective civil war reflects poorly on how NATO air units would have fared against a modern Soviet air defence force orders of magnitude larger and several decades ahead in terms of sophistication. With the F-117 being considered by far the most survivable Western fighter in the world, the implications of its loss to very meagre defences were serious.
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If Trump were to know Iranians had brought down B2 or destroyed any other large piece of military equipment or a naval vessel, he would not be a happy man. Iranians also probably need a break. B2s are not greatest plane ever built. Of the 19 the US ordered, 2 crashed. Like F35s, they need many hours maintenance for every hour spent in the air (perhaps another reason Israel, which has large number of these problem jets, asked Trump for ceasefire).